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2010-07-18 04:19:07 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2010-07-18 04:23:42 PM
Mini's ARE big, strangely (as an owner of a JCW 2007 Cooper S). I had my car parked next to a friend's Elise last weekend, and damn if the mini wasn't 5 inches wider and longer. They are heavy as hell too, which explains why they drift fine even with only FWD. What would be REALLY cool is if they adopt the 4WD powertrain from the new 4 door minis for the regular turbo cars. A mini with 300Hp and AWD would outrun and outhandle just about anything (mine is at 240bhp, and is silly fast already, the big problem is traction at this point). Totally fun in a box as a car, but the reliability is teh suck. That's just a mini tho, it just goes with the territory that British Sports car == tempermental.

PS - I still want to know wtf is so cool about the damn keys that they cost 300$ apiece...
 
2010-07-18 04:24:40 PM
loonatic112358: will the germans pull out of racing all over again?

bunny_of_chaos: The Formula One video clip where one car flies over another car - with the view from the driver's rear view mirror is second to the Best Car Accident Picture Ever.

that wasn't an F1 race.
 
2010-07-18 04:26:18 PM
That's what you get for driving a Mini
 
2010-07-18 04:27:22 PM
chitlenz: Mini's ARE big, strangely (as an owner of a JCW 2007 Cooper S). I had my car parked next to a friend's Elise last weekend, and damn if the mini wasn't 5 inches wider and longer. They are heavy as hell too, which explains why they drift fine even with only FWD. What would be REALLY cool is if they adopt the 4WD powertrain from the new 4 door minis for the regular turbo cars. A mini with 300Hp and AWD would outrun and outhandle just about anything (mine is at 240bhp, and is silly fast already, the big problem is traction at this point). Totally fun in a box as a car, but the reliability is teh suck. That's just a mini tho, it just goes with the territory that British Sports car == tempermental.

PS - I still want to know wtf is so cool about the damn keys that they cost 300$ apiece...


The keys have chips inside of them. The chips are necessary for the car to start.
 
2010-07-18 04:31:59 PM
jw1987: I thought the thread/article would refer to this:
Link (new window) and not something two months old.

That wreck in the video occurred this weekend. Marshals and spectators got lucky,again,thankfully.


i'm an scca corner worker, so i'm getting a kick....

no, seriously. all the jumpsuits that were downstream of the flagging station where the initial impact occurred need to go back to CFR (crash/fire/rescue) school.

if something like that is coming at you in the air, get as low as you can as close as you can to the guardrail.

if you're stupid enough to try and outrun a car that was going 100mph+ 400 feet ago, run at a right angle.
 
2010-07-18 04:32:52 PM
loonatic112358: HelenKellersFingers: Auto-racing is a retard, red-neck activity. Crashing into the jack-ass spectactors is inevitable.

you should tell that to the Germans in Nürburg


It's strange that people don't realize that there are a lot of trashy 'redneck' types in Europe. Check out those imbecile soccer fans (I like soccer). They are no different from Oakland Raider or Dallas Cowboy fans. Europe has better motorsport than the USA, but it has plenty of Nascar type fans.

I do have to say, Auto-racing does not HAVE to be a retard activity. If there is room for improving our knowledge of how to build reliable and fast cars, it's real motorsport and of greater benefit to mankind than most other sports. Nascar, of course, is not real motorsport for this specific reason (though it's so silly... Nascar, if it were stock cars, would be extremely valuable R&D for family sedans to be fast and tough).
 
2010-07-18 04:34:11 PM
REDARMYVODKA: that wasn't an F1 race.

nor was this in france
 
2010-07-18 04:34:30 PM
rappy:

The keys have chips inside of them. The chips are necessary for the car to start.


All cars have this, most cost half as much.

Minis are pretty expensive for what you get. they look cool, and I've driven one and thought it was a quality car, but it's pretty expensive for what you get.
 
2010-07-18 04:34:31 PM
The keys have chips inside of them. The chips are necessary for the car to start.

I get it, but I also get that a usb key is 10$...
 
2010-07-18 04:37:34 PM
rappy: chitlenz: Mini's ARE big, strangely (as an owner of a JCW 2007 Cooper S). I had my car parked next to a friend's Elise last weekend, and damn if the mini wasn't 5 inches wider and longer. They are heavy as hell too, which explains why they drift fine even with only FWD. What would be REALLY cool is if they adopt the 4WD powertrain from the new 4 door minis for the regular turbo cars. A mini with 300Hp and AWD would outrun and outhandle just about anything (mine is at 240bhp, and is silly fast already, the big problem is traction at this point). Totally fun in a box as a car, but the reliability is teh suck. That's just a mini tho, it just goes with the territory that British Sports car == tempermental.

PS - I still want to know wtf is so cool about the damn keys that they cost 300$ apiece...

The keys have chips inside of them. The chips are necessary for the car to start.


Yep that's it, but what I don't understand is why they have to have those chips in the first place. I know that it makes it much harder to hotwire, but at the same time they could just have the ECU monitor the resistance of the ignition circuit and refuse to start the car if it's not the correct resistance. Hotwiring the car would change this resistance, be detected by the ECU, and then defeated.

X-Boxes uses this method to detect modified consoles, so Microsoft can ban them from the multiplayer service. And my X-Box costs a lot less than $300. Any Fark engineers want to help me out here? Why don't they just check for tampering before starting the engine?
 
2010-07-18 04:37:51 PM
Tax Boy: That's the largest Mini Cooper ...... in the world.

/seriously, what's up with the perspective in this photo?


It looks pretty normal to me. Minis aren't smart cars. They are terribly cramped inside, but they are large. You can cut and paste one of the people (mentally), and they fit in the car's driver's seat.

I guess in a world of very large crossovers and SUVs, Minis are small, but they are huge compared to the authentic Minis.
 
2010-07-18 04:38:28 PM
Consequently... for car thread folks, final gear just posted Top Gear 15x04 Here. (new window)

Figured I mention it since the series won;t be aired in america until fall...
 
2010-07-18 04:38:29 PM
Dear dailymail, if you have editors, fire them.

If you don't, hire some.

Because there's about 50 typos on that page.
 
2010-07-18 04:39:19 PM
Arcanum: It's strange that people don't realize that there are a lot of trashy 'redneck' types in Europe.

They're not rednecks, they're cliffshiatters. Aside from that, spot on.
 
2010-07-18 04:39:42 PM
chitlenz: The keys have chips inside of them. The chips are necessary for the car to start.

I get it, but I also get that a usb key is 10$...


I suspect they know they have you over a barrel should you need to replace the key. They're the only people that can replicate it, so you're gonna pay through the nose.
 
2010-07-18 04:40:09 PM
Raptor Jesus: rappy: chitlenz: Mini's ARE big, strangely (as an owner of a JCW 2007 Cooper S). I had my car parked next to a friend's Elise last weekend, and damn if the mini wasn't 5 inches wider and longer. They are heavy as hell too, which explains why they drift fine even with only FWD. What would be REALLY cool is if they adopt the 4WD powertrain from the new 4 door minis for the regular turbo cars. A mini with 300Hp and AWD would outrun and outhandle just about anything (mine is at 240bhp, and is silly fast already, the big problem is traction at this point). Totally fun in a box as a car, but the reliability is teh suck. That's just a mini tho, it just goes with the territory that British Sports car == tempermental.

PS - I still want to know wtf is so cool about the damn keys that they cost 300$ apiece...

The keys have chips inside of them. The chips are necessary for the car to start.

Yep that's it, but what I don't understand is why they have to have those chips in the first place. I know that it makes it much harder to hotwire, but at the same time they could just have the ECU monitor the resistance of the ignition circuit and refuse to start the car if it's not the correct resistance. Hotwiring the car would change this resistance, be detected by the ECU, and then defeated.

X-Boxes uses this method to detect modified consoles, so Microsoft can ban them from the multiplayer service. And my X-Box costs a lot less than $300. Any Fark engineers want to help me out here? Why don't they just check for tampering before starting the engine?


Oh, the core reason is the insurance industry. These 'new' (old, really) keys make it more difficult to file a stolen car claim.

And all auto electronics tend to cost a ton. Partly because a car is built a hell of a lot better than an xbox 360 (even the new, nicer ones). Try playing that xbox while moving around and shaking and at hot temps.

Still, the key shouldn't be anywhere near $300.
 
2010-07-18 04:40:29 PM
REDARMYVODKA: i'm an scca corner worker, so i'm getting a kick....no, seriously. all the jumpsuits that were downstream of the flagging station where the initial impact occurred need to go back to CFR (crash/fire/rescue) school.if something like that is coming at you in the air, get as low as you can as close as you can to the guardrail.if you're stupid enough to try and outrun a car that was going 100mph+ 400 feet ago, run at a right angle

At least the track i've worked at has concrete highway barriers to sort of hide behind.

There was one event where a car smacked a barrier and moved it inward several feet, fortunately that was one i heard about, and not experienced.
 
2010-07-18 04:40:34 PM
Arcanum: rappy:

The keys have chips inside of them. The chips are necessary for the car to start.

All cars have this, most cost half as much.


Chevy had those keys as far back as the early 90's, IIRC. My friend's Camaro had them. I think even back then they were only $150 to replace, and that's when the technology was new-ish. $300 now? That's a rapin'.
 
2010-07-18 04:44:21 PM
chitlenz: Mini's ARE big, strangely (as an owner of a JCW 2007 Cooper S). I had my car parked next to a friend's Elise last weekend, and damn if the mini wasn't 5 inches wider and longer. They are heavy as hell too, which explains why they drift fine even with only FWD. What would be REALLY cool is if they adopt the 4WD powertrain from the new 4 door minis for the regular turbo cars. A mini with 300Hp and AWD would outrun and outhandle just about anything (mine is at 240bhp, and is silly fast already, the big problem is traction at this point). Totally fun in a box as a car, but the reliability is teh suck. That's just a mini tho, it just goes with the territory that British Sports car == tempermental.

PS - I still want to know wtf is so cool about the damn keys that they cost 300$ apiece...


The new Mini is German. It's basically a BMW.
 
2010-07-18 04:47:50 PM
The_Original_Roxtar: hey fark... welcome to every car forum 2 months ago.

Having been informed of the sort of place where these pictures constitute old news, I can't tell you how proud I am that this is the first time I've seen them.
 
2010-07-18 04:52:52 PM
outatime Quote 2010-07-18 04:40:34 PM
Arcanum: rappy:

The keys have chips inside of them. The chips are necessary for the car to start.

All cars have this, most cost half as much.

Chevy had those keys as far back as the early 90's, IIRC. My friend's Camaro had them. I think even back then they were only $150 to replace, and that's when the technology was new-ish. $300 now? That's a rapin'.


I had a '94 corvette. It had one of those chipped keys. The chip itself actually died (don't ask me how) so I had to buy a new one. Yeah it was like $150 in 1999.
 
2010-07-18 04:53:32 PM
lordargent: godiluvbeer: holy shiat. amazing no one died

They're minis, I don't know why the spectators didn't just catch it.


I think the only thing those Mini's are good for is making snomobiles out of them like Jesse James did on Monster Garage and raced it against Richard Petty on his Polaris.
 
2010-07-18 04:57:27 PM
The new Mini is German. It's basically a BMW.

This is actually very true, although I guess a lot of the parts are still UK origin. From what I understand, BMW buying mini is the one reason they are relatively reliable now, instead of ... well... not reliable? I remember a few years ago, some car show wanted to race the 'old' versus the 'new' mini around a track... which turned into hours or work to get the old mini to even get around the track once. Not a car to drive daily (the old ones).

It's still got that mini feeling though! For instance, 3 weeks after I bought mine, the back right suspension came apart on the highway at speed, and the shock (now free of its housing) dug into the tarmack. It was a fun ride back to zero mph. They did finally fix it, but it took 4 months to wait for parts. Mini, the car you pay to go visit.. in the shop (that's being a tad unkind, I probably just had a bad start ... well except that there were several other problems... ok maybe its fair to say don't buy one the year they change styles).

I do like mine when it runs, but parts and service are a pain in the ass. WTF 75$ oil change? WTF 300$ keys? Oh, and the runflats... don't. Greatest thing in the world is having 2 go flat at 3am, looking for the spare, and finding a bottle of fix-a-flat instead. Fun time had by all there. The runflats are AWFUL if you own one btw, just all around. I pulled mine after the incident noted and replaced all 4 with BFGs, which completely changed the way the car cornered (Highly Recommend!).
 
2010-07-18 05:02:48 PM
I can't believe I get to use this twice in a row.

hao.su
 
2010-07-18 05:04:11 PM
shucherfase: The_Original_Roxtar: hey fark... welcome to every car forum 2 months ago.

Having been informed of the sort of place where these pictures constitute old news, I can't tell you how proud I am that this is the first time I've seen them.


have fun getting ripped off by mechanics because you have no clue what's going on with your vehicle. automotive forums are a wealth of information and can save you thousands of dollars.
 
2010-07-18 05:05:33 PM
Raptor Jesus: chitlenz: The keys have chips inside of them. The chips are necessary for the car to start.

I get it, but I also get that a usb key is 10$...

I suspect they know they have you over a barrel should you need to replace the key. They're the only people that can replicate it, so you're gonna pay through the nose.


Bingo ... any proprietary part -> expensive. There is the proprietary supply chain to consider, but mostly it's because they can get away with it.

A full colour 480p video camera is now under $20. (new window)
 
2010-07-18 05:17:25 PM
The_Original_Roxtar: shucherfase: The_Original_Roxtar: hey fark... welcome to every car forum 2 months ago.

Having been informed of the sort of place where these pictures constitute old news, I can't tell you how proud I am that this is the first time I've seen them.

have fun getting ripped off by mechanics because you have no clue what's going on with your vehicle. automotive forums are a wealth of information and can save you thousands of dollars.


That is quite possibly one of the five stupidest farking comments I've ever seen posted.
 
2010-07-18 05:19:12 PM
The_Original_Roxtar: shucherfase: The_Original_Roxtar: hey fark... welcome to every car forum 2 months ago.

Having been informed of the sort of place where these pictures constitute old news, I can't tell you how proud I am that this is the first time I've seen them.

have fun getting ripped off by mechanics because you have no clue what's going on with your vehicle. automotive forums are a wealth of information and can save you thousands of dollars.


I don't drive.
 
2010-07-18 05:28:08 PM
A mini is not a race car
 
2010-07-18 05:29:02 PM
Airfoilsguy: A mini is not a race car

You know how I know you have no idea?
 
2010-07-18 05:31:49 PM
Watched drag racing on ESPN last night and saw a funny car literal explode halfway down the track.

It was re-shown numerous times and might have made Sports Center.
 
2010-07-18 05:37:41 PM
Hey that's not a Civic! Ohhhh, 'Race car.'

/Not, 'Rice car.'
 
2010-07-18 05:40:14 PM
i.dailymail.co.uk

Reminds me of this "I need to change my underwear" moment.
 
2010-07-18 06:16:08 PM
Crap I'm late, well here's a video I shot of Kenny Bartram crashing after a back flip. Talk about unsafe with the jagged boulders and all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1rsjY4qMPw
 
2010-07-18 07:31:41 PM
racethesun

Invisible Safety Rail!
 
2010-07-18 08:07:20 PM
Based on the size of the people in the foreground that Mini has 36" rims.

Sweet.
 
2010-07-18 08:30:32 PM
Anastacya: VaportrailFilms: Guy in green:
"Did you guys hear something?"

I love the "No Crash 4WD Spares" sticker on the door. Just makes the pic for me.


NQ Crash & 4WD Spares (North Queensland)

chixdiggit: rhiannon: 'It's amazing that more people were not seriously injured,' said Australian racing legend Dick Johnson.

Yeah really. I have no doubt someone named Dick Johnson would be a legend.

Came for this, leaving satisfied.


haha!

the Dick Johnson racing museum is near where i used to live (one suburb over, across the river - Link (new window))
 
2010-07-18 08:54:32 PM
Kravis Fupnobble: in2it: bunny_of_chaos: The Formula One video clip where one car flies over another car - with the view from the driver's rear view mirror is second to the Best Car Accident Picture Ever.

Someone have a link to this?

It's about a minute into this clip, just wait for it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptmg3Q0sqWI


That was great! A couple of the links off to the side have different, also fun-to-watch perspectives.
 
2010-07-18 09:05:11 PM
The_Original_Roxtar: hey fark... welcome to every car forum 2 months ago.

I was thinking that too. Heck, I even saw a video of it when it happened.

/It's not news
//it's OLD news
 
2010-07-18 09:18:23 PM
Seriously, anyone remember those toy cars that could be flipped, and roll on the top AND bottom?

We need to come up with cars like that.
 
2010-07-18 09:21:30 PM
Tax Boy: That's the largest Mini Cooper ...... in the world.

/seriously, what's up with the perspective in this photo?


That post made me lmao. Thanks!

I am glad everyone was ok.
 
2010-07-18 09:44:15 PM
From TFA's caption: "Amazingly, the Mini came to rest having only struck two men, neither of whom sustained life-thretening injuries"

Spellcheek fail.
 
M-G
2010-07-18 09:50:57 PM
Raptor Jesus:
I suspect they know they have you over a barrel should you need to replace the key. They're the only people that can replicate it, so you're gonna pay through the nose.


Very much this. I'm assuming that you need to drop your car off and have them hook it up to their computer to mate the key to the car. That's where they're getting lots of money from you.

And the whole reason they do that is so that a valet or other person with temporary access to your keys can't just make a copy and mate the new chip to your car. Of course, other manufacturers have a much better method. On a Ford vehicle, for example, as long as you have both of the original keys, you can add another without a dealer visit. The theory being that anyone who would copy the key would only have one available.

And as for the comment of the raceway at the end of TFA: No, it wasn't a freak accident. That's why there are catch fences for spectator areas.
 
2010-07-18 11:00:58 PM
Good old rally racing -- where the crowd is crazier than the drivers.
 
2010-07-18 11:29:50 PM
Zomg, as payment for having slandered it, my Mini died shortly after my earlier post in a Wendy's drive thru...

Public Service announcement - 6 speed mini coopers have clutch solenoid sensors attached to the clutch pedal which were engineered by no one whoever drove a car. They come loose and the thing dies.

God bless duct tape (you can sort of jimmy it back into place), although now I have to get back under it and do a more permanent fix.

If Christine raped a VW bettle, a mini cooper would be the result.
 
2010-07-18 11:39:29 PM
Kravis Fupnobble: in2it: bunny_of_chaos: The Formula One video clip where one car flies over another car - with the view from the driver's rear view mirror is second to the Best Car Accident Picture Ever.

Someone have a link to this?

It's about a minute into this clip, just wait for it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptmg3Q0sqWI


i'd like a birds eye view of the accident. thats some crazy sh*t. what can you do but keep driving.
 
2010-07-19 01:53:34 AM
The_Original_Roxtar: have fun getting ripped off by mechanics because you have no clue what's going on with your vehicle. automotive forums are a wealth of information and can save you thousands of dollars.

You know, if you're buying a classic, most of the information you need is available from google or a Chilton or Bentley type manual.

But if reliability is important, any idiot can find a very reliable car these days. It's just so easy to keep a car running great these days. Change oil, rotate tires, a few other simple things that a good car will even tell you about ahead of time. I haven't had a need for a mechanic in over a decade and I'm a moderately rough driver sometimes.

If you're spending thousands on a mechanic, it's not because you failed to stay up to date with an enthusiast forum... it's because you picked a stupid car. Those car companies that keep going nearly bankrupt? Stupid. European makes? Some of them are pretty stupid.
 
2010-07-19 03:39:06 AM
"Not a car to drive daily (the old ones)."

You do realize that people in England used these for everyday transportation since the 60s. I went to there in the 70s, rode all over the place in a Mini Cooper S. No, it never broke down, not once the whole time I was there.
 
2010-07-19 06:43:57 AM
Now that's what I call a Nascar-type theatrical hybrid event.
 
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