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(National Review)   Why aren't Democrats mad at Obama and Pelosi for endangering their House majority, rather than at Press Secretary Robert Gibbs for acknowledging the fact it's at risk?   (article.nationalreview.com) divider line 107
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2010-07-17 10:32:58 AM
noone will ever be mad at Obama becuz he's black becuz criticizing a black guy is racist.

we'll just keep blaming Bush.
 
2010-07-17 10:33:44 AM
Linux_Yes: Why does the right wing rag NRO do everything it can to undermine this legally elected government and its efforts to get this nation back on its feet again??

why?


because those fascist Turds want power. when they get back into power, they can resume their raping and pillaging of this nation for profit.


that's why.


Linux_Yes: Why does the right wing rag NRO do everything it can to undermine this legally elected government and its efforts to get this nation back on its feet again??

why?


because those fascist Turds want power. when they get back into power, they can resume their raping and pillaging of this nation for profit.


that's why.


If you ever needed proof that there is no after-life, the fact that Bill Buckly hasn't come back to smite everyone responsible for NRO is plenty.
 
2010-07-17 10:34:06 AM
Tor_Eckman: Why don't you like Pelosi? Seriously, in the last 2 years I have never been able to get an actual response to this that didn't include "she's a biatch" or "she's a coont" or "she's ugly".

My beef with Reid and Pelosi is their inability to fight in any kind of vicious manner, even to the point of actually advertising what the Republicans are doing and describing why it is wrong.

They're kind of the passive-aggressive type of players. Rather than saying that the Republicans hate America and despise everyone who lives there for money, just as the Republicans would do to them, they sit there and take it and try to do outreach. You can't outreach when the other player just gets more and more extreme.
 
2010-07-17 10:35:19 AM
Who gives a shiat about the Dem majority? No matter how many they have, they still ask Reps for permission to do everything up to and including wiping their own asses.
 
2010-07-17 10:35:29 AM
TheMadChaosopher: noone will ever be mad at Obama becuz he's black becuz criticizing a black guy is racist.

we'll just keep blaming Bush.


It's the "what to criticize Obama for" where the Republicans seem to have trouble articulating a position. I mean, other than his lack of a birth certificate or commonly used recess appointments.
 
2010-07-17 10:36:02 AM
Americans are stupid enough to fall for the "socialism" scare and continue to vote against their own best interest. This is nothing new.

Whether the democrats lose seats or not, the got more accomplished this year than the 12 years the republicans had combined. I think that is more important than power, no?
 
2010-07-17 10:36:10 AM
LouDobbsAwaaaay: Who gives a shiat about the Dem majority? No matter how many they have, they still ask Reps for permission to do everything up to and including wiping their own asses.

Yup. The Democrats have gotten slightly better but overall don't attack -- which means they spend much of their time on defense.
 
2010-07-17 10:41:25 AM
bigdavediode: TheMadChaosopher: noone will ever be mad at Obama becuz he's black becuz criticizing a black guy is racist.

we'll just keep blaming Bush.

It's the "what to criticize Obama for" where the Republicans seem to have trouble articulating a position. I mean, other than his lack of a birth certificate or commonly used recess appointments.


excuse me, but did you just suggest that there might be something to criticize Obama for?

YOU HATEMONGERING RACIST!!!
 
2010-07-17 10:48:45 AM
Tor_Eckman: ...Why don't you like Pelosi?...

Republicans are scared to death of strong women.
 
2010-07-17 10:50:45 AM
TheMadChaosopher: excuse me, but did you just suggest that there might be something to criticize Obama for?

YOU HATEMONGERING RACIST!!!


My favorite is the deficit. Obama amalgamates all of Bush's "emergency" expenditures and puts it in the budget and Republicans freak out. They're as easily fooled as a baby on a glass table.
 
2010-07-17 10:54:49 AM
bigdavediode: Tor_Eckman: Why don't you like Pelosi? Seriously, in the last 2 years I have never been able to get an actual response to this that didn't include "she's a biatch" or "she's a coont" or "she's ugly".

My beef with Reid and Pelosi is their inability to fight in any kind of vicious manner, even to the point of actually advertising what the Republicans are doing and describing why it is wrong.

They're kind of the passive-aggressive type of players. Rather than saying that the Republicans hate America and despise everyone who lives there for money, just as the Republicans would do to them, they sit there and take it and try to do outreach. You can't outreach when the other player just gets more and more extreme.


I respect your opinion stated above. But it really doesn't answer my question. Pelosi has been very effective in getting decent bills passed through the house, only to have them compromised once they get through the senate. She has nothing to do with this. You can blame Reid for this, but that's another subject altogether.

And anyone who has been paying any attention to what is going on in congress should be able see what a bunch of obstructionist douchebags the minority has been for the last 4 years. Pelosi and Reid spending more of their time pointing this out isn't going to do anything to convince anyone of what is so blatantly obvious.
 
2010-07-17 10:55:09 AM
When the Republicans were repeating that Democrats hate the troops and actively forcing each mess to run Fox News Channel, and providing Rush Limbaugh on forces radio -- where were the Democrats?

All it would have taken is to say "The guys who hate the troops aren't the ones who are forcing them away from their families into a meatgrinder for small gains."

But the Democrats just tried to lie low and take it.
 
2010-07-17 10:56:43 AM
ghare: Tor_Eckman: ...Why don't you like Pelosi?...

Republicans are scared to death of strong women.


Oh, I get this. The Philtard virtually craps his pants every time her name is mentioned. But I don't think bigdave is a Republican.
 
2010-07-17 10:57:04 AM
Tor_Eckman: And anyone who has been paying any attention to what is going on in congress should be able see what a bunch of obstructionist douchebags the minority has been for the last 4 years. Pelosi and Reid spending more of their time pointing this out isn't going to do anything to convince anyone of what is so blatantly obvious.

Study after study has shown that people are convinced by facts, but emotion.

Where are the emotional appeals of Pelosi and Reid? Yes, Pelosi has ushered bills through, by gutting them of content to get Republican votes.

There IS another way of getting Republican votes, and that is to demonize the opposition so badly that they are terrified of voting against it. Exactly like the Republicans have done.
 
2010-07-17 10:58:51 AM
Tor_Eckman: Oh, I get this. The Philtard virtually craps his pants every time her name is mentioned. But I don't think bigdave is a Republican.

I consider myself a moderate conservative, but at this point in time a moderate conservative is, apparently, a raving liberal. I'm for "anybody except the Republicans" and would vote Communist Party before I'd vote Republican.

I used to be for individual candidates, but the Republicans have ruined that by forcing their congresscritters to vote in lockstep each and every time.
 
2010-07-17 11:02:19 AM
Whoops, should read "NOT convinced by facts, but emotion."
 
2010-07-17 11:32:11 AM
I think Gibbs was just managing expectations. That way no matter what happens, its easier to put a positive spin on the election results.

It's a good strategy for the Obama camp. Maybe not so good for Democrats running for office.
 
2010-07-17 11:32:19 AM
bigdavediode: Tor_Eckman: And anyone who has been paying any attention to what is going on in congress should be able see what a bunch of obstructionist douchebags the minority has been for the last 4 years. Pelosi and Reid spending more of their time pointing this out isn't going to do anything to convince anyone of what is so blatantly obvious.

Study after study has shown that people are convinced by facts, but emotion.

Where are the emotional appeals of Pelosi and Reid? Yes, Pelosi has ushered bills through, by gutting them of content to get Republican votes.

There IS another way of getting Republican votes, and that is to demonize the opposition so badly that they are terrified of voting against it. Exactly like the Republicans have done.


Again, the bills that the house has passed on HCR and financial reform for example were both much better then what became law. Pelosi has not had anything to do with gutting anything. The gutting gets done once it gets to the much more divisive senate. Of course, there is no filibuster in the house, so it's much easier to get bills passed without having to compromise with the majority, or Dems from the more conservative districts.

But the point is that Pelosi has nothing to do with how bills have been watered down in the senate.
 
2010-07-17 11:33:47 AM
Tor_Eckman: The gutting gets done once it gets to the much more divisive senate. Of course, there is no filibuster in the house, so it's much easier to get bills passed without having to compromise with the majority minority, or Dems from the more conservative districts

Oopsie daisy.
 
2010-07-17 11:44:47 AM
Please note, all Fark Independents(tm) and trolls -

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Put your money where your mouth is.

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//including about a K from an ex-Fark troll
 
2010-07-17 11:49:24 AM
Erebus1954: I think Gibbs was just managing expectations. That way no matter what happens, its easier to put a positive spin on the election results.

It's a good strategy for the Obama camp. Maybe not so good for Democrats running for office.



Well actually, I've seen it floated in the press -- and not implausibly IMO -- that a possible strategy behind that would be to motivate the Dem base to get out to the polls in November. The thinking being, I guess, that Dems will be less likely to vote if they think they're a shoo-in to retain the House.

The GOP should have a bit of a turnout edge this year regardless of politics simply because their base of late has been older on average than that of the Dems, and older people are more likely to vote in midterms than younger folks. Under those circumstances I think if it were up to me I'd be sounding some alarm bells even if Dem approval numbers were sky high.
 
2010-07-17 11:49:35 AM
RedThree: Please note, all Fark Independents(tm) and trolls -

Intrade will let you bet on the House being retaken by the repubs.

Put your money where your mouth is.

Please.

/made mid four-digits on Obama
//including about a K from an ex-Fark troll


I'm shocked, shocked to find gambling going on in here.
 
2010-07-17 11:56:45 AM
Look, the dems will lose seats, it's inevitable. Even if they were the greatest things since sliced bread, they'd still lose seats. IT'S NORMAL.

But losing their majority is absolutely hilarious. There is not a motherfarking snowball's chance in hell.

Pigs would have to fly through a frozen-over hell for that to happen.
 
2010-07-17 11:57:59 AM
Tor_Eckman: Again, the bills that the house has passed on HCR and financial reform for example were both much better then what became law. Pelosi has not had anything to do with gutting anything. The gutting gets done once it gets to the much more divisive senate. Of course, there is no filibuster in the house, so it's much easier to get bills passed without having to compromise with the majority, or Dems from the more conservative districts.

The HCR bill from congress actually had stronger anti-abortion language in it than the Senate bill (and I agree with you that Reid sucks). And that's with a majority.

But again, it's fine for Pelosi to convince people with facts, but ultimately that's not the only way to coerce these congresscritters into voting for a bill. Compromise is great but ultimately the Democrats will continue to play defense until they learn to attack and not let up.
 
2010-07-17 12:03:03 PM
Tor_Eckman: codewerdna: We are, Pelosi is an idiot and Obama has been disappointing. The later I would still vote for, Pelosi...well I probably would but that doesn't mean I like her.

Why don't you like Pelosi? Seriously, in the last 2 years I have never been able to get an actual response to this that didn't include "she's a biatch" or "she's a coont" or "she's ugly".

The bills that have passed the house under her leadership have been generally much better than what actually became law. She is doing her job, and rather well. Granted, the cats in the House are easier to corral then the cats in the Senate, but by any measure she has been very effective.


You gotta remember, this is the party that wants to elect Sarah Palin because "She's hawt!"
 
2010-07-17 12:17:13 PM
Daelock: Tor_Eckman: codewerdna: We are, Pelosi is an idiot and Obama has been disappointing. The later I would still vote for, Pelosi...well I probably would but that doesn't mean I like her.

Why don't you like Pelosi? Seriously, in the last 2 years I have never been able to get an actual response to this that didn't include "she's a biatch" or "she's a coont" or "she's ugly".

The bills that have passed the house under her leadership have been generally much better than what actually became law. She is doing her job, and rather well. Granted, the cats in the House are easier to corral then the cats in the Senate, but by any measure she has been very effective.

You gotta remember, this is the party that wants to elect Sarah Palin because "She's hawt!"


Well yeah, I know why those kind of people hate her. And I also understand that people still blame her for not impeaching Bush. But I give her a pass on that because I can see how counter-productive it would have been, as much as I would love to see Bush and Cheney and Addington and Rumsfeld and Woo and Wolfowitz and Pearle all chained together in orange jumpsuits picking up trash on the side of I-76.

I just think she has done a much better job then she gets credit for from people that are otherwise reasonable.
 
2010-07-17 12:28:35 PM
There's nothing to be mad about. Gibbs is repeating a talking point designed to scare the hell out of Americans with the possibility we could return to republican politics infesting our government.
 
2010-07-17 12:28:43 PM
Erebus1954: RedThree: Please note, all Fark Independents(tm) and trolls -

Intrade will let you bet on the House being retaken by the repubs.

Put your money where your mouth is.

Please.

/made mid four-digits on Obama
//including about a K from an ex-Fark troll

I'm shocked, shocked to find gambling going on in here.


Your winnings, sir!
 
2010-07-17 12:33:32 PM
Nucleus: There's nothing to be mad about. Gibbs is repeating a talking point designed to scare the hell out of Americans with the possibility we could return to republican politics infesting our government.

Raising the possibility of Republicans in power = the politics of fear.

Meh. It's a fair cop.
 
2010-07-17 12:52:25 PM
Curse of the Goth Kids: Raising the possibility of Republicans in power = the politics of fear.

Meh. It's a fair cop.



Yes. Imagine a world where again we're lambasted with October surprises, chickenhawk-media complacency, holy rollers directing foreign and domestic policy, corporatists looking to squeeze out the health of the average American family for a few extra dollars and an economy that enables oil companies and bankers to bring the American public to their knees.

They're still playing the game. Even though the gulf spill has destroyed an American way of life that has persisted for generations, what do we hear? They tell us we need these "oil jobs jobs jobs." When what we really need is to put people to work cleaning up the mess and moving America forward onto an economy that doesn't need oil for literally everything.
 
2010-07-17 01:48:22 PM
Who's mad at Gibbs? More democrats need to be beating the "we may lose this thing" drum or they'll never get their voting base fired up to go out and actually vote.
 
2010-07-17 01:56:08 PM
Curse of the Goth Kids: Nucleus: There's nothing to be mad about. Gibbs is repeating a talking point designed to scare the hell out of Americans with the possibility we could return to republican politics infesting our government.

Raising the possibility of Republicans in power = the politics of fear.

Meh. It's a fair cop.



I've begun to wonder if there's ever been any politics besides the politics of fear.
 
2010-07-17 02:08:06 PM
Tor_Eckman: codewerdna: We are, Pelosi is an idiot and Obama has been disappointing. The later I would still vote for, Pelosi...well I probably would but that doesn't mean I like her.

Why don't you like Pelosi? Seriously, in the last 2 years I have never been able to get an actual response to this that didn't include "she's a biatch" or "she's a coont" or "she's ugly".

The bills that have passed the house under her leadership have been generally much better than what actually became law. She is doing her job, and rather well. Granted, the cats in the House are easier to corral then the cats in the Senate, but by any measure she has been very effective.


I dislike her because she doesn't do anything in the long term. The job of a politician doesn't stop at the passing of bills, but with appropriation of funding and final approval of the bills into law.

It's a common tactic pretty much all politicians use to vote or write bills without actually caring enough about the issue to actually attain funding for it. This satisfies both the lobbyists who are against the bill as well as the constituents who are for it.

Again, this isn't really true about Pelosi in particular, that's why I don't hate her. I just don't particularly like her.
 
2010-07-17 03:19:26 PM
bigdavediode: Compromise is great but ultimately the Democrats will continue to play defense until they learn to attack and not let up.

I wholeheartedly disagree. They've turned the Republicans into a regional party by moving towards the center and providing common sense responses on traditional conservative issues like our wars and the free market.

The more the GOP yells 'socialism', the more likely it is that the Dems will keep hold of all three branches. Knowing when to let your opponents scream their heads off is exactly how you build a lasting majority.
 
2010-07-17 03:22:26 PM
Gangway Fathead: I've begun to wonder if there's ever been any politics besides the politics of fear.

It's the first motivator. What is the second?
 
2010-07-17 03:23:52 PM
DamnYankees: They didn't "endanger" anything. They did what they were elected to do - use their majority to pass the best legislation they could.

The point of a majority isn't to keep it. It's to use it.


On this I agree.

However, the point of a legislator should be to do the public's will. Significant majorities were waving their arms and screaming not to pass ObamaCare. They said it multiple times, and in many ways. But the Democrats didn't give a shiat. Now they'll pay for it.
 
2010-07-17 03:34:37 PM
Tor_Eckman: codewerdna: We are, Pelosi is an idiot and Obama has been disappointing. The later I would still vote for, Pelosi...well I probably would but that doesn't mean I like her.

Why don't you like Pelosi? Seriously, in the last 2 years I have never been able to get an actual response to this that didn't include "she's a biatch" or "she's a coont" or "she's ugly".

The bills that have passed the house under her leadership have been generally much better than what actually became law. She is doing her job, and rather well. Granted, the cats in the House are easier to corral then the cats in the Senate, but by any measure she has been very effective.



Because she's a despicable liar who impugns the people working to keep America safe to cover her ass politically?

Is that specific enough for you?

Start there and then we'll move to the awful, unaffordable, future-wrecking legislation she champions.
 
2010-07-17 03:35:27 PM
P.S. Tor -

That was me simply copying and pasting from another right-wing blog. PolitiFact.
 
2010-07-17 03:35:56 PM
FishingWithFredo: On this I agree.

However, the point of a legislator should be to do the public's will. Significant majorities were waving their arms and screaming not to pass ObamaCare. They said it multiple times, and in many ways. But the Democrats didn't give a shiat. Now they'll pay for it.


How many of those people read each of the ObamaCare proposals. How many even knew there were more than one version? It would have been better to refer to them as PelosiCare and ReidCare if you asked me but whatever.

The American Public has better things to do all day long than keep constantly current on every single decision being made in Washington DC. We elect our representatives to do just that, represent us. I expect my representatives to read every single version of every single issue that passes, such as health care reform, or at least have their staffers go over it with a fine tooth comb and give them an accurate depiction of it. I expect my representatives to be more informed on them than me and make the decision that is best for me.

For you, FWF, I will put it like this. You're a farking infant and Obama made the decision to stick you with a needle. You cried your head off thinking this was the worst case scenario and you're going to die. But Obama did lots of learning and edumuacationing and found that you should get immunized for various hilarious diseases and that you were too stupid to comprehend why this may possibly be good for you and the country. Your lack of comprehension does not make something bad.
 
2010-07-17 03:36:56 PM
FishingWithFredo: P.S. Tor -

That was me simply copying and pasting from another right-wing blog. PolitiFact.


FishingWithFredo: P.S. Tor -

That was me simply copying and pasting from another right-wing blog. PolitiFact.


Good for you.

Now go make me a sammitch, beyotch.
 
2010-07-17 03:37:58 PM
FishingWithFredo: Because she's a despicable liar who impugns the people working to keep America safe to cover her ass politically?

Is that specific enough for you?


Can I use this standard? Every politician that ever lies should be removed from office and/or ignored entirely on everything?

FishingWithFredo: That was me simply copying and pasting from another right-wing blog. PolitiFact.

Also, can I expect you to agree PolitiFact is a reliable, factual source? Because if you ever in the future attack the credibility of PolitiFact that weakens your point above.
 
2010-07-17 03:41:44 PM
MrGumboPants: I wholeheartedly disagree. They've turned the Republicans into a regional party by moving towards the center and providing common sense responses on traditional conservative issues like our wars and the free market.

The more the GOP yells 'socialism', the more likely it is that the Dems will keep hold of all three branches. Knowing when to let your opponents scream their heads off is exactly how you build a lasting majority.


I wish that were true, but the reality is that the Democrats can keep winning bare majorities, but what they really should be striving for is moderation while firing back at the rhetoric of the Republicans.
 
2010-07-17 03:45:39 PM
lennavan: FishingWithFredo: Because she's a despicable liar who impugns the people working to keep America safe to cover her ass politically?

Is that specific enough for you?

Can I use this standard? Every politician that ever lies should be removed from office and/or ignored entirely on everything?

FishingWithFredo: That was me simply copying and pasting from another right-wing blog. PolitiFact.

Also, can I expect you to agree PolitiFact is a reliable, factual source? Because if you ever in the future attack the credibility of PolitiFact that weakens your point above.


What's even less credible as reliable or factual is anything that came out of Bush's CIA.
 
2010-07-17 03:54:40 PM
FishingWithFredo: Because she's a despicable liar who impugns the people working to keep America safe to cover her ass politically?

Is that specific enough for you?

Start there and then we'll move to the awful, unaffordable, future-wrecking legislation she champions.


Umm... stop right there. Graham claimed that he was never briefed on waterboarding, and then didn't he supply a diary or notes showing that he wasn't briefed?

Then the CIA had to retract the statements, then they said that they were created from the "best recollections" of those involved, then someone pointed out that the term EIT wasn't even in use then, and...

Well, I'm not a Pelosi fan, but let's try not to buy into the Republican retardations.
 
2010-07-17 03:58:18 PM
bigdavediode: FishingWithFredo: Because she's a despicable liar who impugns the people working to keep America safe to cover her ass politically?

Is that specific enough for you?

Start there and then we'll move to the awful, unaffordable, future-wrecking legislation she champions.

Umm... stop right there. Graham claimed that he was never briefed on waterboarding, and then didn't he supply a diary or notes showing that he wasn't briefed?

Then the CIA had to retract the statements, then they said that they were created from the "best recollections" of those involved, then someone pointed out that the term EIT wasn't even in use then, and...

Well, I'm not a Pelosi fan, but let's try not to buy into the Republican retardations.


Bwahhahahaahhaaahahaaaahahahaaaa!!!!

Buying into the Republican retardations is the reason for DerpingwithFredo's existence.
 
2010-07-17 04:05:57 PM
WHY AREN'T THE DEMOCRATS MAD AT THE DEMONRAT PARTY FOR NOT BEING REPUBLICANS?
 
2010-07-17 04:21:43 PM
indylaw: WHY AREN'T THE DEMOCRATS MAD AT THE DEMONRAT PARTY FOR NOT BEING REPUBLICANS?

I'm more mad at them for not being democrats >.>
 
2010-07-17 04:30:20 PM
FishingWithFredo: DamnYankees: They didn't "endanger" anything. They did what they were elected to do - use their majority to pass the best legislation they could.

The point of a majority isn't to keep it. It's to use it.

On this I agree.

However, the point of a legislator should be to do the public's will. Significant majorities were waving their arms and screaming not to pass ObamaCare. They said it multiple times, and in many ways. But the Democrats didn't give a shiat. Now they'll pay for it.




They ignored so much as they were drunk with power, they decided they had to do it, damn the torpedoes.

Idiots.
 
2010-07-17 05:21:43 PM
FishingWithFredo: Significant majorities were waving their arms and screaming not to pass ObamaCare

Nah.
 
2010-07-17 05:59:01 PM
Nucleus: Gangway Fathead: I've begun to wonder if there's ever been any politics besides the politics of fear.

It's the first motivator. What is the second?


The "us vs. them" team mentality.

Followed in a distant third by the candidate's hair.
 
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