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2010-07-15 04:29:05 PM  
Ah letrole, don't ever change man.

/i think i love you
//wait, what were we talking about again
 
2010-07-15 04:29:26 PM  
deciusmaximus: Why the hell are governments even in the marriage business in the first place? Governments are concerned with matters of property when it comes to a union between two people. So, the obvious answer is a civil contract based union registered with the state and a "marriage" in what ever church, temple or religious official who is willing to perform the service.

Because deciding who is allowed to get married, and who isn't, has traditionally been a highly effective way of controlling and exploiting people. In the past, marriage was the only legal and legit way to get sex... the state having the power to condemn virtually anyone to a life of celibacy was a powerful way to get people to do what you want.

In the age of modern social democracy, the motivations for controlling people have changed, but the need of the state to dominate the lives of people remain the same.

Thus, you reasonable and intelligent suggestion you made will never fly... it gives people too much power. Neither the intolerant social conservatives, nor the busybody nannie-state social democrats, want consenting adults to organize their lives on their own terms.
 
2010-07-15 04:32:26 PM  
potc.arwen-undomiel.com

he rode 2 sea turtles while drunk off rum
 
2010-07-15 04:34:33 PM  
Mishno: Stinkbeard: Yaxe: Why is it that the Catholic country is more willing to legalize gay marriage, where thirty years ago, divorce wasn't even legal?

Seriously, America. Get over the "ZOMG GHEYS" thing. A Catholic country should not be more socially liberal than you are.

This is an easy one. Teh Gheys are the only people left in America that you can "legally" discriminate against.

What about the tattooed, smokers and white males?

You can effectively descriminate against fatties, too, but you have to be a little circumspect lest they accuse you of descriminating against them for their "health condition".


what about drunk indians? or the homeless?

/and of course you can hate on fat people they're fat and choose to be so
//it's a choice damn it
 
2010-07-15 04:37:19 PM  
Some interesting things about last night's debate in the Argentine congress:

- A woman who voted against the legalization argued the bill was discriminatory towards heterosexual women
- Outside of congress, pro-same sex marriage supporters brought with them a giant inflatable penis-
- Religious groups also had a demonstration outside of congress. They were seen praying next to the giant inflatable penis. Most ridiculous thing ever.

/I'm an Argentine so I'm getting a kick etc...
 
2010-07-15 04:38:53 PM  
A Fark Handle: what about drunk indians?

Careful now, you wouldn't want to come off as BOOGA BOOGA ZOMG RACIST!! would you?
 
2010-07-15 04:39:28 PM  
Lenryer: - Outside of congress, pro-same sex marriage supporters brought with them a giant inflatable penis-
- Religious groups also had a demonstration outside of congress. They were seen praying next to the giant inflatable penis. Most ridiculous thing ever.


Pics. Useless without pics.
 
2010-07-15 04:44:38 PM  
TsukasaK: Lenryer: - Outside of congress, pro-same sex marriage supporters brought with them a giant inflatable penis-
- Religious groups also had a demonstration outside of congress. They were seen praying next to the giant inflatable penis. Most ridiculous thing ever.

Pics. Useless without pics.


Here you go. Too bad I don't have one of the catholics praying next to it (presumably asking god for an enlarged penis)
 
2010-07-15 04:50:58 PM  
Stinkbeard: This is an easy one. Teh Gheys are the only people left in America that you can "legally" discriminate against. The right wing/fundies have but one group left to openly hate on, and they are not going to let that go easily. Oh sure they still hate/discriminate those that are not like them, brown people, non-fundies, people who understand science, but they can't do it openly and with the protection of the law.

More than that, inner-city African Americans poll as being highly homophobic. Being openly gay in the ghetto is almost certain to get you killed, far more intolerant than being gay at any Republican voting country club. The far-left black Democrat former-major of Detroit, for example, said he would vote for Bush and become a Republican if the Democrats supported gay-marriage.

The Democrats realize that supporting gay marriage would pretty much alienate that previously hardcore Democrat base of urban blacks. Thus, Democrats realize they need to be as homophobic and pander to hardcore religious intolerance as the Republicans.
 
2010-07-15 04:58:07 PM  
Before scrolling down, all I saw was:
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2010-07-15 04:59:02 PM  
Retarded Rabid Elk: Stinkbeard: This is an easy one. Teh Gheys are the only people left in America that you can "legally" discriminate against. The right wing/fundies have but one group left to openly hate on, and they are not going to let that go easily. Oh sure they still hate/discriminate those that are not like them, brown people, non-fundies, people who understand science, but they can't do it openly and with the protection of the law.

More than that, inner-city African Americans poll as being highly homophobic. Being openly gay in the ghetto is almost certain to get you killed, far more intolerant than being gay at any Republican voting country club. The far-left black Democrat former-major of Detroit, for example, said he would vote for Bush and become a Republican if the Democrats supported gay-marriage.

The Democrats realize that supporting gay marriage would pretty much alienate that previously hardcore Democrat base of urban blacks. Thus, Democrats realize they need to be as homophobic and pander to hardcore religious intolerance as the Republicans.


this is also why prop 8 passed in california. sure gays and their friends blamed the mormons (easy target), but it was the increase in the african american turnout that passed prop 8.
 
2010-07-15 05:02:10 PM  
Well, it's really not much of a country if you can't have sex with turtles, now is it?
 
2010-07-15 05:06:53 PM  
deciusmaximus: Why the hell are governments even in the marriage business in the first place? Governments are concerned with matters of property when it comes to a union between two people. So, the obvious answer is a civil contract based union registered with the state and a "marriage" in what ever church, temple or religious official who is willing to perform the service.

Problem solved.


Because marriage is simply a contract. The ceremonial component is called a wedding.
 
2010-07-15 05:08:51 PM  
A Fark Handle: Retarded Rabid Elk: Stinkbeard: This is an easy one. Teh Gheys are the only people left in America that you can "legally" discriminate against. The right wing/fundies have but one group left to openly hate on, and they are not going to let that go easily. Oh sure they still hate/discriminate those that are not like them, brown people, non-fundies, people who understand science, but they can't do it openly and with the protection of the law.

More than that, inner-city African Americans poll as being highly homophobic. Being openly gay in the ghetto is almost certain to get you killed, far more intolerant than being gay at any Republican voting country club. The far-left black Democrat former-major of Detroit, for example, said he would vote for Bush and become a Republican if the Democrats supported gay-marriage.

The Democrats realize that supporting gay marriage would pretty much alienate that previously hardcore Democrat base of urban blacks. Thus, Democrats realize they need to be as homophobic and pander to hardcore religious intolerance as the Republicans.

this is also why prop 8 passed in california. sure gays and their friends blamed the mormons (easy target), but it was the increase in the african american turnout that passed prop 8.


Oh, come now. The scaremongering ads blaring from the TV and radio 24/7 that were paid for by Mormon money had a lot to do with it as well.
 
2010-07-15 05:09:20 PM  
FTFA: "Marriage between a man and a woman has existed for centuries, and is essential for the perpetuation of the species"

The stupid really does burn.

How is allowing gay people to marry going to stop straight people from procreating.

And about that whole procreation thing ... the planet is overpopulated. Keep it in your pants.

/nice to see religious hate has no borders
 
2010-07-15 05:11:13 PM  
Don't Cry for Lube, Argentina
 
2010-07-15 05:15:04 PM  
cYn21: fence

Will build a turtle fence (new window)?
 
2010-07-15 05:18:21 PM  
Farking Canuck: FTFA: "Marriage between a man and a woman has existed for centuries, and is essential for the perpetuation of the species"

The stupid really does burn.

How is allowing gay people to marry going to stop straight people from procreating.

And about that whole procreation thing ... the planet is overpopulated. Keep it in your pants.

/nice to see religious hate has no borders


Duh, because bearded homosexuals still can impregnate their phony wives. To cover for their homosexuality, they may have several kids.
 
2010-07-15 05:18:37 PM  
 
2010-07-15 05:29:12 PM  
Will one of you superior moral people explain why same-sex marriage is a bad thing?

Difficulty: derp and logical fallacies are not allowed.
 
2010-07-15 05:30:48 PM  
Listerine: why do gay people need to get married again?

For the exact same reasons, or lack thereof, that straights get married.

Duh.
 
2010-07-15 05:31:35 PM  
HeartBurnKid: A Fark Handle: Retarded Rabid Elk: Stinkbeard: This is an easy one. Teh Gheys are the only people left in America that you can "legally" discriminate against. The right wing/fundies have but one group left to openly hate on, and they are not going to let that go easily. Oh sure they still hate/discriminate those that are not like them, brown people, non-fundies, people who understand science, but they can't do it openly and with the protection of the law.

More than that, inner-city African Americans poll as being highly homophobic. Being openly gay in the ghetto is almost certain to get you killed, far more intolerant than being gay at any Republican voting country club. The far-left black Democrat former-major of Detroit, for example, said he would vote for Bush and become a Republican if the Democrats supported gay-marriage.

The Democrats realize that supporting gay marriage would pretty much alienate that previously hardcore Democrat base of urban blacks. Thus, Democrats realize they need to be as homophobic and pander to hardcore religious intolerance as the Republicans.

this is also why prop 8 passed in california. sure gays and their friends blamed the mormons (easy target), but it was the increase in the african american turnout that passed prop 8.

Oh, come now. The scaremongering ads blaring from the TV and radio 24/7 that were paid for by Mormon money had a lot to do with it as well.


Are you saying that blacks are easily fooled and/or scared? Like they're retarded or cowardly?
 
2010-07-15 05:32:10 PM  
*fans flames*

c'mon, dammit, burn already!

*fans flames*
 
2010-07-15 05:39:38 PM  
HeartBurnKid: A Fark Handle: this is also why prop 8 passed in california. sure gays and their friends blamed the mormons (easy target), but it was the increase in the african american turnout that passed prop 8.

Oh, come now. The scaremongering ads blaring from the TV and radio 24/7 that were paid for by Mormon money had a lot to do with it as well.


sure money matters, but the people who cast the votes matter too. and i thought it was a little pathetic that the gay community decided that it was completely the mormons' fault and ignored the contributions from the african american community. the gay community decided to pick on the mormons because they're an easier, safer target.

/mormoms haven't killed shiat since mountian meadows.
 
2010-07-15 05:39:45 PM  
xanadian: *fans flames*

c'mon, dammit, burn already!

*fans flames*


Flamer.
 
2010-07-15 05:41:16 PM  
A Fark Handle: sure money matters, but the people who cast the votes matter too. and i thought it was a little pathetic that the gay community decided that it was completely the mormons' fault and ignored the contributions from the african american community. the gay community decided to pick on the mormons because they're an easier, safer target.

Some of the most racist bastards I've ever met where screaming queens.

:-\
 
2010-07-15 05:47:49 PM  
xanadian: *fans flames*

c'mon, dammit, burn already!

*fans flames*


i31.tinypic.com
 
2010-07-15 05:52:54 PM  
CrankMyBlueSax: xanadian: *fans flames*

c'mon, dammit, burn already!

*fans flames*


Damn it, Jim, I'm a doctor, not a homophobe!
 
2010-07-15 06:07:19 PM  
CrankMyBlueSax: xanadian: *fans flames*

c'mon, dammit, burn already!

*fans flames*

i31.tinypic.com


lol
 
2010-07-15 06:12:00 PM  
xanadian: HeartBurnKid: A Fark Handle: Retarded Rabid Elk: Stinkbeard: This is an easy one. Teh Gheys are the only people left in America that you can "legally" discriminate against. The right wing/fundies have but one group left to openly hate on, and they are not going to let that go easily. Oh sure they still hate/discriminate those that are not like them, brown people, non-fundies, people who understand science, but they can't do it openly and with the protection of the law.

More than that, inner-city African Americans poll as being highly homophobic. Being openly gay in the ghetto is almost certain to get you killed, far more intolerant than being gay at any Republican voting country club. The far-left black Democrat former-major of Detroit, for example, said he would vote for Bush and become a Republican if the Democrats supported gay-marriage.

The Democrats realize that supporting gay marriage would pretty much alienate that previously hardcore Democrat base of urban blacks. Thus, Democrats realize they need to be as homophobic and pander to hardcore religious intolerance as the Republicans.

this is also why prop 8 passed in california. sure gays and their friends blamed the mormons (easy target), but it was the increase in the african american turnout that passed prop 8.

Oh, come now. The scaremongering ads blaring from the TV and radio 24/7 that were paid for by Mormon money had a lot to do with it as well.

Are you saying that blacks are easily fooled and/or scared? Like they're retarded or cowardly?


No, I'm saying that people are easily fooled and/or scared. Welcome to Earth.
 
2010-07-15 06:29:46 PM  
PonceAlyosha: Listerine: why do gay people need to get married again?

Because weddings are fun, but GAY Weddings are super fun FAAAAABULOUSSSSS. Previously we've had to camp up our funerals to compensate.


FTFY
 
2010-07-15 07:04:43 PM  
deciusmaximus: Why the hell are governments even in the marriage business in the first place? Governments are concerned with matters of property when it comes to a union between two people. So, the obvious answer is a civil contract based union registered with the state and a "marriage" in what ever church, temple or religious official who is willing to perform the service.

Problem solved.


THIS

I believe in the separation of church and state. In my opinion, marriage is an institution of the church. Therefore the state/government has no right to govern marriage. It should be called a Civil Union instead. Run a copy & replace program to switch "Marriage" to "Civil Union" in the laws and make sure it reads that it's between two consenting people; leave out the sex requirements of each person or say that two people of any sex is fine. Leave it up to the church to define marriage.

It is of my belief and the religion I practice that two people of the same sex cannot be married; marriage should be between a man and a woman. That being said, I hold no ill will towards gays, do treat them as any other person, and can be friends with them. If two gay people want to get married and their religion and/or belief defines it differently than me and the religion I practice, that is fine. They have their beliefs, I have mine, and the government can stay the hell out of it.

To the Christians: Jesus gave us an 11th Commandment that we love one another. The Bible shows that he hung out with the "really bad" sinners more than he hung out with Jewish priests. You and I are as equally sinful as a gay person and everyone else. Fire, brimstone, and plain negativity towards someone rarely will bring someone over to your side.
 
2010-07-15 07:26:12 PM  
Hiking the Appalachian Trail, now with a lisp.
 
2010-07-15 07:42:30 PM  
Theaetetus: Marriage is a civil contract between two consenting adults and the state, and weddings are ceremonies performed by a church. You can be married without ever setting foot in a church, but you are not wed. You can be wed without ever going to a town hall and signing a marriage license, but you are not married.

Okay, I must admit that this confuses me. It sounds like you're essentially saying that my wedding ceremony was not really a wedding because it was performed outdoors by a judge of the state instead of in a church by a priest.

I've never understood the the "marriage is religious" argument. The definition of wedding here (new window) makes no mention of churches in specific or religion in general. It simply says that a wedding is the act of getting married. Additionally, looking up "married" states, "united in wedlock; wedded." Therefore, if you are married, you have been wed, by definition.

As for the need to keep "marriage" separated from "civil unions" - that makes no sense either. I established above that marriage can be either religiously or legally (state) sanctioned. If the contract of marriage serves the same purpose as the contract of a civil union, why the different labels? What real difference is there? It smacks of the "separate but equal" fallacy of times past.
 
2010-07-15 07:55:03 PM  
www.users.on.net

Slippery slope indeed...
 
2010-07-15 08:39:09 PM  
This is so fantastic... :)

My mother and I were having a discussion about gay marriage last week. (She doesn't know about me yet.) I had been feeling pretty sad that I've heard her speak against gay marriage in the past, and was trying to figure out why she was so against it - because she is otherwise open minded. She finally said that her problem with it is that some states have legalized marriages between gay couples, without making provisions for legal DIVORCES if those marriages don't last - and apparently this has become a big legal problem for some couples, including one that was in the news recently because they broke up, and one of them wanted to marry someone else - but couldn't do so because they couldn't legally DIVORCE. My mother said she's in favor of gay marriage being allowed, as long as there is the legal provision for legal divorces if desired. And this article specifically says Argentina did that: "...all the legal rights, responsibilities and protections". At least, I'm hoping that's what 'responsibilities' means. ::fingers crossed::

/See, mom - it can be ok!
//Now how on earth am I going to tell you?
 
2010-07-15 08:41:44 PM  
amaranthe: This is so fantastic... :)

My mother and I were having a discussion about gay marriage last week. (She doesn't know about me yet.) I had been feeling pretty sad that I've heard her speak against gay marriage in the past, and was trying to figure out why she was so against it - because she is otherwise open minded. She finally said that her problem with it is that some states have legalized marriages between gay couples, without making provisions for legal DIVORCES if those marriages don't last - and apparently this has become a big legal problem for some couples, including one that was in the news recently because they broke up, and one of them wanted to marry someone else - but couldn't do so because they couldn't legally DIVORCE. My mother said she's in favor of gay marriage being allowed, as long as there is the legal provision for legal divorces if desired. And this article specifically says Argentina did that: "...all the legal rights, responsibilities and protections". At least, I'm hoping that's what 'responsibilities' means. ::fingers crossed::

/See, mom - it can be ok!
//Now how on earth am I going to tell you?


Send me her email address. I'll break it to her.
 
2010-07-15 09:00:58 PM  
BadAnalogyGuy: Send me her email address. I'll break it to her.

Thanks, but I'll work something out. She's gonna figure it out eventually. ;)
 
2010-07-15 09:05:16 PM  
amaranthe: BadAnalogyGuy: Send me her email address. I'll break it to her.

Thanks, but I'll work something out. She's gonna figure it out eventually. ;)


You sure? I would be all like "Sup dawg. I heard you loved your daughter, so we gave your daughter teh ghey so you can have a daughter in law with your daughter."
 
2010-07-15 09:21:12 PM  
BadAnalogyGuy: amaranthe: BadAnalogyGuy: Send me her email address. I'll break it to her.

Thanks, but I'll work something out. She's gonna figure it out eventually. ;)

You sure? I would be all like "Sup dawg. I heard you loved your daughter, so we gave your daughter teh ghey so you can have a daughter in law with your daughter."


i499.photobucket.com

I was gonna start hitting on you, amaranthe; but then I noticed that you're a chick, and probably don't dig guys anyway. Which is cool.

/wonder what my dad would think of a son-in-law
 
2010-07-15 10:29:45 PM  
"Letting the days go by
Let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by
Water flowing underground
Into the blue again
After the money's gone
Once in a lifetime
Water flowing underground."

hotdogandfriends.com
 
2010-07-15 11:35:56 PM  
LancePGH: I heart cooter!

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/ya don't say!
 
2010-07-16 02:01:17 AM  
very nice, things are looking up for America. First were getting all the Mexicans to leave, now all the gays can go to Argentina.
 
2010-07-16 02:29:57 AM  
GAYKILLER: very nice, things are looking up for America. First were getting all the Mexicans to leave, now all the gays can go to Argentina.

When do all the trolls go to Brazil?
 
2010-07-16 10:09:42 AM  
GAYKILLER: very nice, things are looking up for America. First were getting all the Mexicans to leave, now all the gays can go to Argentina.

You're late.

:-/

Well, anyway, this thread wasn't as trainwrecky or flame-war-y as I had hoped it would be... still, I'm not gonna look a gift greenlight in the mouth.
 
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