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(LA Times)   The US learns that when you kidnap an Iranian nuclear scientist and tell the world he defected, you should make sure he can't escape to someone else's embassy and ask to go back home   (latimes.com) divider line 43
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2010-07-13 08:50:20 AM
Ouch.

i249.photobucket.com
 
2010-07-13 09:23:25 AM
www.thevancouverite.com
 
2010-07-13 09:32:39 AM
It sounds like an interesting ploy to debrief an asset before returning him to the field.

/we're through the looking glass here people
 
2010-07-13 11:48:37 AM
This is a very strange case. It's funny to watch the videos of the guy contradicting himself.
 
2010-07-13 11:49:07 AM
why didn't they just kill him?

/kinda serious...
 
2010-07-13 11:49:56 AM
Sounds like he got word the Mullas took his family hostage.
 
2010-07-13 11:52:59 AM
The Pakistanis want our money and guns. If he really escaped from us to their embassy, they'd turn him back over.
 
2010-07-13 11:53:23 AM
My guess is that he did defect and try to claim asylum, but he learned that his family and friends at home were being threatened because he embarrassed Iran nationally, so he had to say he was kidnapped.
 
2010-07-13 11:54:43 AM
Double Fail
http://in.reuters.com/article/idINWAT01457820100713
 
2010-07-13 11:56:11 AM
Obama's Beirut?
 
2010-07-13 11:57:44 AM
Wolfmanjames: Sounds like he got word the Mullas took his family hostage.

Yeah I'm with: Defected then got an email 'Hey man, come on back or we'll kill your whole family and rape your dog.'
 
2010-07-13 12:00:52 PM
This sounds totally legit.
 
2010-07-13 12:03:35 PM
"escaped"

sure...
 
2010-07-13 12:04:03 PM
Who cares, let's see more pics of the hot russian spy!
 
2010-07-13 12:07:30 PM
Ashtrey: Wolfmanjames: Sounds like he got word the Mullas took his family hostage.

Yeah I'm with: Defected then got an email 'Hey man, come on back or we'll kill your whole family and rape your dog.'


Yup. The whole "no one in the US is standing in his way in any fashion" thing makes it just a little bit obvious that this is coercion.
 
2010-07-13 12:08:30 PM
Yeah, I'm sure he escaped from the CIA.
 
2010-07-13 12:17:06 PM
NOBODY escapes from the CIA! Our chief weapon is surprise... surprise and fear... fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise... and ruthless efficiency... Our *three* weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency... and an almost fanatical devotion to the Director... Our *four*... no... *Amongst* our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise.... I'll come in again.
 
2010-07-13 12:32:03 PM
GoBAMA!
 
2010-07-13 12:37:40 PM
BigNumber12: NOBODY escapes from the CIA! Our chief weapon is surprise... surprise and fear... fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise... and ruthless efficiency... Our *three* weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency... and an almost fanatical devotion to the Director... Our *four*... no... *Amongst* our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise.... I'll come in again.

Should have sentenced him to the comfy chair.
 
2010-07-13 01:48:18 PM
I'm not buying the kidnapped and escaped story. Honestly, if he had been kidnapped wouldn't we just stuff him into one of those non-existent CIA jails overseas. He wouldn't have been wandering around the US. For some reason he wants to go back, agent? homesick? family threatened? Whatever. But given the political situation in Iran he can't just show back up without a good cover story.
 
2010-07-13 02:03:18 PM
"Bush's fault."

"But this happened under Obama's watch."

"Whatever. You're gay."

"No I'm not. You're gay."


There. Thread done.
 
2010-07-13 02:10:32 PM
3steps: I'm not buying the kidnapped and escaped story. Honestly, if he had been kidnapped wouldn't we just stuff him into one of those non-existent CIA jails overseas. He wouldn't have been wandering around the US. For some reason he wants to go back, agent? homesick? family threatened? Whatever. But given the political situation in Iran he can't just show back up without a good cover story.

It'll be interesting to see what happens to him when he gets back. Paraded around as a hero? Drop out of the spotlight immediately? Dead or imprisoned people tend to do that...
 
2010-07-13 02:38:46 PM
charkocu: "Bush's fault."

"But this happened under Obama's watch."

"Whatever. You're gay."

"No I'm not. You're gay."


There. Thread done.


Someone blindly defending Obama would use "teabagger," "derp," or some variation on "Republitard." They would never let themselves be seen using "gay" as an insult, that would make them appear intolerant.
 
2010-07-13 02:54:03 PM
By Alex Rodriguez and Borzou Daragahi

Los Angeles Times Staff Writer


I'm impressed that A-Rod writes for the LA Times.
 
2010-07-13 03:16:46 PM
J.Garcia'sRightMiddleFinger: By Alex Rodriguez and Borzou Daragahi

Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

I'm impressed that A-Rod writes for the LA Times.


You're thinking of David Axelrod, who plays third base for the Mets.
 
2010-07-13 03:23:46 PM
If it comes down to believing the CIA or the Iranian Government, I am gonna have to take the word of the Persians everytime. When has the CIA EVER told the truth about anything?
 
2010-07-13 03:28:15 PM
Observatory: If it comes down to believing the CIA or the Iranian Government, I am gonna have to take the word of the Persians everytime. When has the CIA EVER told the truth about anything?

i158.photobucket.com

Agrees
 
2010-07-13 03:38:16 PM
charkocu: "Bush's fault."

"But this happened under Obama's watch."

"Whatever. You're gay."

"No I'm not. You're gay."


There. Thread done.


this ain't the politics tab, son.
 
2010-07-13 03:54:59 PM
Link (pops)

Whoops...

FTA:

"An Iranian nuclear scientist who turned up at the Iranian interests section of Pakistan's embassy in Washington came to the United States voluntarily and decided to leave freely, a U.S. official said on Tuesday."

"Shahram Amiri's "actions -- his multiple videos and now his trip to the Iranian interests section -- clearly prove he was not held in the United States against his will," the official said on condition of anonymity."

So much for the narrative...
 
2010-07-13 04:07:11 PM
Obbi: charkocu: "Bush's fault."

"But this happened under Obama's watch."

"Whatever. You're gay."

"No I'm not. You're gay."


There. Thread done.

this ain't the politics tab, son.


Are you serious? Oh, you haven't been here very long. You obviously haven't read enough threads to recognize that doesn't matter. Welcome to Fark.
 
2010-07-13 04:09:31 PM
He does realize that if he goes back, that they'll kill him and then still mutilate his family?
 
2010-07-13 06:38:00 PM
Chalker1123: My guess is that he did defect and try to claim asylum, but he learned that his family and friends at home were being threatened because he embarrassed Iran nationally, so he had to say he was kidnapped.

Exactly my thoughts. Similar things happened during the Cold War. In fact, US v. Iran relations these days seem strikingly similar to US v. USSR circa 1960, only the Iranians are threatening to bury Israel as well.
 
2010-07-13 08:41:46 PM
anwserman: He does realize that if he goes back, that they'll kill him and then still mutilate his family?

I've got to admit, the guy sure is banking on some Iranian high-ups being as dumb as they make themselves appear to be.
 
2010-07-13 08:55:12 PM
So there appear two be two major possibilities here:

1) Someone kidnapped him and brought him here and he made a break for it as soon as he could.

2) He defected and the Iranians are threatening to Bad Things to his family/loved ones.

Both are entirely possible, but #2 is more likely. It was probably a combination of both. Imagine if you were looking into possible ways to defect and contacted someone in one of these secretive organizations. They arrange this big elaborate plan to get you out, and well, let's just say that they won't take no for an answer once everything is in place. Or maybe life here just wasn't what he expected, so the United States 'kidnapped' him.
 
2010-07-13 08:55:28 PM
Wolfmanjames: Sounds like he got word the Mullas took his family hostage.

That's exactly my thought, also.
 
2010-07-13 09:16:40 PM
They should have made sure the street samurai and netrunners were paying attention...
 
2010-07-13 09:59:02 PM
claiming he was kidnapped by the U.S. Secretary of State Clinton...

Um, the writer or editor could take a class in punctuation. Unless they were trying to say Clinton was the one who kidnapped him.
 
2010-07-13 10:33:07 PM
Hrist
So there appear two be two major possibilities here:

1) Someone kidnapped him and brought him here and he made a break for it as soon as he could.

2) He defected and the Iranians are threatening to Bad Things to his family/loved ones.


3) Is that he's been turned and will go back to Iran and monitor the nukes for us. Once a week, he'll leave a draft in his Gmail account and logout. Someone here logs in, reads, deletes it and deposits another 10g's in an offshore bank. Someday, he disappears again and retires to the islands.
 
2010-07-13 10:34:47 PM
Wolfmanjames: Sounds like he got word the Mullas took his family hostage.

Bam. Done.

...and I have serious doubts about this guy's long-term survival odds.
 
2010-07-14 01:48:52 AM
It'll be interesting to see how the CIA completely destroys this guy in retaliation for his reverse-defect. They'll probably hand over to the Iranians all the information he provided (through covert means) so that he'll never get out of prison, if he's not executed.

FTFA: Several U.S. officials were scathing Tuesday about Amiri, whom they portrayed as naive and impetuous. His decision to defect, they implied, had been made without thinking through the implications, including the possibility that his family could face reprisals.

and

"He might at one point have regretted the lies he told about the United States, but that -- plainly -- didn't last. Now he thinks he can snow the goons in Tehran," the official said. "He's taking a real chance. We'll see how persuasive he is, and what happens to him after the Iranians wring every possible propaganda benefit out of him."

Subtext: you defect to us, turn back and embarrass us publicly, we'll let you go and make sure you regret it later.

/Too many LeCarre novels.
 
2010-07-14 06:54:51 AM
biphome.spray.se

Assassination in 3... 2....
 
2010-07-15 09:08:45 AM
Loren: Wolfmanjames: Sounds like he got word the Mullas took his family hostage.

That's exactly my thought, also.


Looks like you're BOTH wrong.

An Iranian scientist who claims he was kidnapped by the CIA has said he was subjected to extreme mental and physical torture by the Americans.

Shahram Amiri, who has flown from the US to Tehran, also denied being heavily involved in Iran's nuclear programme.

Mr Amiri disappeared a year ago and resurfaced this week in the Pakistani embassy in Washington asking to be repatriated.

The US said he had been in the country "of his own free will".

Wearing a beige suit, a smiling Mr Amiri was greeted at Tehran's international airport early on Thursday by his tearful son and wife, along with other family members and Deputy Foreign Minister, Hassan Qashqavi.


Video from the BBC
 
2010-07-15 04:00:33 PM
Oh, well I guess that clinches it then. Iran would never stoop to staging such an event for the press.

Relatives are bound to be tearful after being saved... but he's a walking dead man. Iran's leadership ain't buying that kidnapping BS, but they'll play as if they do for the obvious political benefit.
 
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