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(YouTube)   James Mattis, the man who has been appointed by Obama to head Central Command, told a crowd in San Diego that it was "fun to shoot some people" and said Afghans deserve to die. Heckuva job there Hopey   (youtube.com) divider line 174
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2010-07-12 12:21:21 PM  
Snot Monster from Outer Space: 3_Butt_Cheeks: mediablitz: Wait. Right wingers now think this is bad?

Wait, left winger now think this is good? Since when?

Oh, Jan 2009.

Care to point to the massive "left-wing" movement against Mattis prior to Jan 2009. Perhaps you can quote some speech of Obama's about how he'd finally kick that bastard Mattis out of the military?


I responded in kind to a weak hyperbolic boobjob earlier. And the point would have been not anti-Mathis, but against what he said and stands for, which would be the war, the enjoyment of killing the enemy, and expansion of the war. Face it, had he been suggested of appointed by a Republican, his quote would be front page news and full throttle wharrgarbl here.
 
2010-07-12 12:27:33 PM  
leetpriest: We shouldn't shoot middle easterners.

We should do as dear leader does:


Act respectfully towards foreign leaders?

Absolutely...

'Course, He could give them back rubs, too.

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2010-07-12 12:28:54 PM  
leetpriest: We shouldn't shoot middle easterners.

We should do as dear leader does:


Yep, those are the choices. When you see someone of Middle-Eastern complexion either shoot them or bow to them as if they are royalty. Anything in between and the terrorists have already won.
 
2010-07-12 12:35:16 PM  
Well, who cares? Just because Obama appointed the man doesn't mean he's responsible for what comes out of his mouth.

Besides, if you're in the military, it's not because you're morally opposed to killing.
 
2010-07-12 12:38:03 PM  
keylock71: leetpriest: We shouldn't shoot middle easterners.

We should do as dear leader does:

Act respectfully towards foreign leaders?

Absolutely...

'Course, He could give them back rubs, too.


There's a stark difference between acting respectfully and acting submissive.

A stark difference that you refuse to understand.
 
2010-07-12 12:39:20 PM  
violetvolume: Well, who cares? Just because Obama appointed the man doesn't mean he's responsible for what comes out of his mouth.

Besides, if you're in the military, it's not because you're morally opposed to killing.


Just like Bush and Rove, huh?
 
2010-07-12 12:46:17 PM  
leetpriest: There's a stark difference between acting respectfully and acting submissive.

A stark difference that you refuse to understand.


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2010-07-12 12:51:32 PM  
mediablitz: Wait. Right wingers now think this is bad?

Since when? Oh yeah, Jan 20th 2009.


The hypocrisy and lack of decency on the Right know no bounds.
 
2010-07-12 12:54:33 PM  
Wow, we still have morons who believe Al Jazeera is a "terrorist Muslin propaganda!!1" organization? Keep farking that chicken.

Read this for a start. Then peruse through their website for some time.
 
2010-07-12 12:57:03 PM  
3_Butt_Cheeks: mediablitz: Wait. Right wingers now think this is bad?

Wait, left winger now think this is good? Since when?

Oh, Jan 2009.


Other than the "left" by and large supporting the war in Afghanistan since the beginning?
 
2010-07-12 01:06:13 PM  
leetpriest:

There's a stark difference between acting respectfully and acting submissive.

A stark difference that you refuse to understand.


I do? My goodness, you certainly claim to know much about me from a few lines of 12 pt serifed font.


From where I'm standing, it certainly looks like you and others seemed to be awfully upset about something as inconsequential as a bow to a foreign leader... Seems like a petty insecurity for a citizen of the supposedly most powerful nation in the world.

If it's not insecurity, then, well, I can only assume your panties are in wad because of your own partisan prejudices, which mean absolutely nothing to those who exist outside of your little echo-chamber.
 
2010-07-12 01:23:08 PM  
Halli: leetpriest: There's a stark difference between acting respectfully and acting submissive.

A stark difference that you refuse to understand.

www.needlenose.com
"Yes my young apprentice, experience the Power of the dark side"
 
2010-07-12 01:48:35 PM  
Hick: Good deal. That is what you do when you are in a war.

^^
And its old news.
 
2010-07-12 02:12:33 PM  
More seriously, most soldiers don't enjoy killing. In a later disputed study military historian S. L. A Marshall claimed that 75% of all combat soldiers never fire their weapons in battle because of qualms about killing.

This is a highly politicized topic that would require a lengthy critical discussion of the available research. In the course of writing a San Francisco Chronicle book review on the issue I read at least four books about why men kill. I was struck by the regret and disgust frequently expressed by soldiers, which to be fair was sometimes about the pleasure they did feel.


There's an old soldiers maxim that goes something like this: In any unit, 80% of the men (or women) are scared shiatless, but will do their job or at least attempt to do their job. (It's very easy to shoot too high while stressed out without even knowing it, which is why I train greenhorns to shoot at the belly button.)
10% are straight out cowards. But that last 10% love the job, love the action, and love the killing when it's just.

There's nothing wrong with those 10%, they just possess a little bit more of the primal animal part of mankind than the rest do. Every once in a while one of them is a sociopath, and they're the most dangerous (to both friendly and enemy) of the whole bunch.

General Mattis is one of the last 10%, which is why he is loved.
 
2010-07-12 02:39:58 PM  
Freakman: There's an old soldiers maxim that goes something like this: In any unit, 80% of the men (or women) are scared shiatless, but will do their job or at least attempt to do their job. (It's very easy to shoot too high while stressed out without even knowing it, which is why I train greenhorns to shoot at the belly button.)
10% are straight out cowards. But that last 10% love the job, love the action, and love the killing when it's just.

There's nothing wrong with those 10%, they just possess a little bit more of the primal animal part of mankind than the rest do. Every once in a while one of them is a sociopath, and they're the most dangerous (to both friendly and enemy) of the whole bunch.

General Mattis is one of the last 10%, which is why he is loved.


The origin of that information is Lt. Col. Dave Grossman's research in "On Killing".
www.lwcbooks.com
 
2010-07-12 02:57:46 PM  
dillengest: Seriously? The guy says he takes pleasure from killing people and you think it's ridiculous to even contemplate labelling him a psychopath? I'd like to hear how your definition of the word disqualifies him.

It's a "Rah-Rah, we're so badass!" speech meant to amp up 18 year olds heading into what might be their first combat. It wasn't meant for public consumption.

It is plenty distasteful to the delicate sensibiilities of those of us in an office sipping latte, but it is hardly unusual or scandal-worthy.
 
2010-07-12 03:08:14 PM  
ko_kyi: dillengest: Seriously? The guy says he takes pleasure from killing people and you think it's ridiculous to even contemplate labelling him a psychopath? I'd like to hear how your definition of the word disqualifies him.

It's a "Rah-Rah, we're so badass!" speech meant to amp up 18 year olds heading into what might be their first combat. It wasn't meant for public consumption.

It is plenty distasteful to the delicate sensibiilities of those of us in an office sipping latte, but it is hardly unusual or scandal-worthy.


Oh, I agree. Looking at the whole quote and the context it sounds like hyperbolic posturing and probably doesn't fully reflect his actual beliefs. I was just questioning the accusation of trolling for people who look at what he said and think "psychopath." It's not really a stretch.
 
2010-07-12 03:19:20 PM  
It amuses me to watch all the pearl-clutching dorks scream about the fact that we trained millitary guys to shoot their millitary guys.

"I thought they hugged on the field!"
 
2010-07-12 03:51:04 PM  
The origin of that information is Lt. Col. Dave Grossman's research in "On Killing".

That's where I got that. Maybe it's not so old. I read that book a couple years ago.

It's a "Rah-Rah, we're so badass!" speech meant to amp up 18 year olds heading into what might be their first combat. It wasn't meant for public consumption.

Exactly. It's also a little bit of a preemptive strike against PTSD. Many commanders try to make sure that their troops feel as little guilt as possible by "sanctioning" the death. I know of at least one commander who flat out told his Marines that any death they caused were on his soul, not theirs, and that he would answer for all of them upon his own death.

Very effective when dealing with right-wing, heavily-armed religious nutjobs like U.S. Marines.
 
2010-07-12 04:27:43 PM  
Freakman: Very effective when dealing with right-wing, heavily-armed religious nutjobs like U.S. Marines.

For the record, all of our MEU's snipers were atheists except one. And they were all really good and really really liked killing, "godless killing machines" in a literal sense. It's safe to say that they were well within Grossman's 10%.

//And young, the youngest was 19, the oldest was 23. All but the 19 year old had been to Iraq at least twice.
 
2010-07-12 05:00:53 PM  
3_Butt_Cheeks: Snot Monster from Outer Space: 3_Butt_Cheeks: mediablitz: Wait. Right wingers now think this is bad?

Wait, left winger now think this is good? Since when?

Oh, Jan 2009.

Care to point to the massive "left-wing" movement against Mattis prior to Jan 2009. Perhaps you can quote some speech of Obama's about how he'd finally kick that bastard Mattis out of the military?

I responded in kind to a weak hyperbolic boobjob earlier. And the point would have been not anti-Mathis, but against what he said and stands for, which would be the war, the enjoyment of killing the enemy, and expansion of the war. Face it, had he been suggested of appointed by a Republican, his quote would be front page news and full throttle wharrgarbl here.


From Wikipedia:

On 11 September 2007, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates announced that President George W. Bush had nominated Mattis for appointment to the rank of general to command U.S. Joint Forces Command in Norfolk, Virginia. NATO agreed to appoint Mattis as Supreme Allied Commander Transformation. On 28 September 2007, the United States Senate confirmed Mattis's nomination, and he relinqished command of I MEF on 5 November 2007 to LtGen Samuel Helland. Mattis was promoted to four-star general and took control of JFCOM/SACT on 9 November 2007. He transferred the job of SACT to French General Stéphane Abrial on 9 September 2009, but continued in command of JFCOM.

Again...care to point to the massive left-wing protests that broke out at this time?
 
2010-07-12 05:04:22 PM  
"This is just a farking sideshow; you have seven-thousand Marine riflemen who have been ready to go for the past twenty-four hours, and you're staying here with your foot in your d*ck. No, check that! Not your d*ck; my d*ck! "
 
2010-07-12 05:48:54 PM  
Hideously Gigantic Smurf: kevn357: Still think this guy is a liberal worth defending, Democrats?

Still think this guy is a seekrit mooslimb, kev?


I wish he'd just get around to putting his antlers back on and pull the flying squirrel out of his butt. It's not a secret anymore.
 
2010-07-12 09:49:20 PM  
Gen Mattis is an amazing leader and warfighter. He is also an expert in counterinsurgency and was one of the top choices for Commandant of the Corps and to take the lead in Afghanistan. He is a no bullshiat kind of guy who is great at his job. That is why we (Marines) love him. He has already proven himself to be a great leader, tactician, and Marine. For those that don't know too much about the current military brass, I wouldn't be too worried about him taking over Centcom.
 
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