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2010-07-12 01:03:53 AM
mediablitz: kevn357: Neocons love it when their lies are spread.

Oh holy fark. Dr. Mojo is a neocon now!

Keep digging dude. It's really getting funny.


Oh please. You know damn well that I didn't call him a neocon. He's repeating a neocon lie and I'm calling him on it. You two want to call me a child for saying the Taliban had nothing to do with 9/11, yet you have no proof.
 
2010-07-12 01:07:57 AM
Dr. Mojo PhD: kevn357: It's a little more complicated than that, but you already knew that it seems. Keep trying to say the Taliban had something to do with 9/11 though. Neocons love it when their lies are spread.

Mmm-hmm. I suppose when you can't tell the truth, lie, invent a strawman, and attempt to smear your enemies. It must be nice being human garbage!


Human garbage? Nice. The only reason you started with me is because you thought I was a Republican. Pretty sad actually. I'm calling you out on your partisan BS and you have nothing but insults.
 
2010-07-12 01:19:55 AM
kevn357: Oh please. You know damn well that I didn't call him a neocon. He's repeating a neocon lie and I'm calling him on it. You two want to call me a child for saying the Taliban had nothing to do with 9/11, yet you have no proof.

No, you are getting called out for being a sniveling biatch. No one said anything about the Taliban. You started with your childish labeling. Now you got shiat on and you are crying some more.
 
2010-07-12 01:31:32 AM
It never ceases to amaze me that we DEMAND our soldiers go out there and be mean! lean! killing machines! that our whole culture glorifies the American soldier as the finest practitioner of the deadly science of warfare history has ever seen! that there are bumper stickers and signs from coast to coast exhorting Marines to kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out!

And when we get a leader of soldiers up there who says he by God loves killing bad guys, everyone squinches up their faces like a little girl faced with a squashed mouse on the sidewalk and goes "Ew, icky, we don't like to think of war as killing people! Tell the bad man to stop talking like that!"

Farking hypocrites.
 
2010-07-12 01:31:46 AM
Gato Negro: Troll fight!

When DEVGRU shot those two Somalia kids on President Obama's orders, did you join Rush Limbaugh's shrill chorus denouncing the "politically motivated killing of innocent children"?

You and the rest of the partisans in American politics are fair-weather friends of the military.
 
2010-07-12 01:32:07 AM
Wolvernova is a idiot.
 
2010-07-12 01:44:52 AM
kevn357: The only reason you started with me is because you thought I was a Republican.

Really? Do you have any evidence to back that up, some quote of mine maybe from this thread that you can share, or is that part of your persecution complex, you farking piece of trash?
 
2010-07-12 02:01:07 AM
USP .45: mediablitz: Wait. Right wingers now think this is bad?

Since when? Oh yeah, Jan 20th 2009.

The headline is so hack I almost suspect a false flag.

If it is a r'ight w'inger: shut up idiot.


This...

Mattis kicks ass. I'm was almost surprised he actually got the position because he's perfect man for it, and it makes too much sense.

Semper Fi
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BTW, If you really want to get inside his head, read No True Glory (new window) by Bing West.
 
2010-07-12 02:05:38 AM
Dr. Mojo PhD: kevn357: The only reason you started with me is because you thought I was a Republican.

Really? Do you have any evidence to back that up, some quote of mine maybe from this thread that you can share, or is that part of your persecution complex, you farking piece of trash?


More insults and no facts to back up your rovian bs. Seriously, what happened to you?
 
2010-07-12 02:09:13 AM
mediablitz: kevn357: Oh please. You know damn well that I didn't call him a neocon. He's repeating a neocon lie and I'm calling him on it. You two want to call me a child for saying the Taliban had nothing to do with 9/11, yet you have no proof.

No, you are getting called out for being a sniveling biatch. No one said anything about the Taliban. You started with your childish labeling. Now you got shiat on and you are crying some more.



Dr. Mojo PhD: kevn357: Did you not watch the video? This is the kind of shiat that fuels Taliban recruitment. This is pretty simple stuff. Is the goal to not win and drag this disaster out for 10 more years? If so, this a genius move.

kevn357: This. We pay the Taliban to fight us to justify this never ending BS war. Fiscal responsibility should trump the fear of the boogeymen terrorists. Our own Government even says there are fewer than 50 terrorists there.

So which is it, will it fuel Taliban recruitment or are their barely any Taliban left? Because it can't be both.



No one said anything about the Taliban? Really? What the fark are you even arguing with me for?
 
2010-07-12 02:59:53 AM
kevn357: Dr. Mojo PhD: kevn357: The only reason you started with me is because you thought I was a Republican.

Really? Do you have any evidence to back that up, some quote of mine maybe from this thread that you can share, or is that part of your persecution complex, you farking piece of trash?

More insults and no facts to back up your rovian bs. Seriously, what happened to you?


I'll ask you again: Where's YOUR facts to back up your "You thought I was a Republican" BS?

You don't have any, and you're too proud and intellectually bankrupt to admit your mistake.
 
2010-07-12 03:02:20 AM
kevn357: No one said anything about the Taliban? Really? What the fark are you even arguing with me for?

Yeah let's take a look at that again:

kevn357: Dr. Mojo PhD: kevn357: Did you not watch the video? This is the kind of shiat that fuels Taliban recruitment. This is pretty simple stuff. Is the goal to not win and drag this disaster out for 10 more years? If so, this a genius move.

kevn357: This. We pay the Taliban to fight us to justify this never ending BS war. Fiscal responsibility should trump the fear of the boogeymen terrorists. Our own Government even says there are fewer than 50 terrorists there.

So which is it, will it fuel Taliban recruitment or are their barely any Taliban left? Because it can't be both.


Do you know who I was quoting? You. I was quoting you mentioning the Taliban. I got the whole "nobody mentioned the Taliban before you brought them up" aspect of mediablitz's statement, but apparently it sailed over your head.

Why not cut out the middle man, not quote me at all, and then quote yourself bringing up the Taliban as proof other people brought up the Taliban.
 
2010-07-12 03:15:05 AM
Lost Thought 00: Cuchulane: Politics aside, he sounds like a sociopath.

It's a job requirement. You're responsible for planning the mass killings of tens of thousands of people, including so called "innocents".


War is obviously an exothermic and irreversable process some ΔS' is to be expected.
 
2010-07-12 03:40:45 AM
NewportBarGuy: Am I supposed to be outraged? I'm trying and nothing is happening.

Wake me up when we begin our withdrawal.


You do want to wake up, don't you?
 
2010-07-12 04:43:33 AM
That has always been the mantra of the military. It's to make soldiers less hesitant to kill. I killed thousands of Iraqis 'cause of it.
 
2010-07-12 05:51:59 AM
NewEnglandGangster: That has always been the mantra of the military. It's to make soldiers less hesitant to kill. I killed thousands of Iraqis 'cause of it.

:/
 
2010-07-12 07:25:34 AM
Gyrfalcon: It never ceases to amaze me that we DEMAND our soldiers go out there and be mean! lean! killing machines! that our whole culture glorifies the American soldier as the finest practitioner of the deadly science of warfare history has ever seen! that there are bumper stickers and signs from coast to coast exhorting Marines to kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out!

And when we get a leader of soldiers up there who says he by God loves killing bad guys, everyone squinches up their faces like a little girl faced with a squashed mouse on the sidewalk and goes "Ew, icky, we don't like to think of war as killing people! Tell the bad man to stop talking like that!"

Farking hypocrites.


It's not hypocritical. Yes we expect our military units to engage with and to destroy the enemy decisively. That's what they're there for. At the same time, historically, the American serviceman or woman has been trained to approach war with a certain modicum of decency and dignity. It is not to be taken lightly. This is illustrated by the letter above posted by Ontos. Kill when required, but otherwise be respectful and chivalrous. No true serviceman, I believe, would ever say they thought killing was "fun" or "a hoot", but a regrettably necessary duty, which they will not hesitate to carry out.

I'm quite liberal. I'm also a vet. Had I been enlisted during wartime, I would have unhesitatingly carried out my duty, but I doubt I would have called it "fun".
 
2010-07-12 07:48:10 AM
wake me up when we start to win

Oh, and this guy just might do it.
 
2010-07-12 07:56:56 AM
He basically said it's fun to kill them because they're so spineless and nutless that they've spent centuries feeling grand by slapping women around, holding hands in public, and thinking that only the taker is gay.

I would like to kill them too.

I like him.
 
2010-07-12 08:04:04 AM
Salt Lick Steady: He basically said it's fun to kill them because they're so spineless and nutless that they've spent centuries feeling grand by slapping women around, holding hands in public, and thinking that only the taker is gay.

I would like to kill them too.

I like him.


Don't forget...they've also defeated every occupying force since Alexander the Great.
 
2010-07-12 08:22:13 AM
buckler: Salt Lick Steady: He basically said it's fun to kill them because they're so spineless and nutless that they've spent centuries feeling grand by slapping women around, holding hands in public, and thinking that only the taker is gay.

I would like to kill them too.

I like him.

Don't forget...they've also defeated every occupying force since Alexander the Great.


Flower power!

Gotdamn hippies.
 
2010-07-12 08:29:41 AM
Salt Lick Steady: buckler: Salt Lick Steady: He basically said it's fun to kill them because they're so spineless and nutless that they've spent centuries feeling grand by slapping women around, holding hands in public, and thinking that only the taker is gay.

I would like to kill them too.

I like him.

Don't forget...they've also defeated every occupying force since Alexander the Great.

Flower power!

Gotdamn hippies.


Sorry. That's a matter of fact, not ideology.
 
2010-07-12 08:31:19 AM
His mistake was not getting the reporters out of the room before the "rah-rah, we're gonna kill those bastards" Pattonesque speech.

Combat leaders have said this stuff since the night before the first organized battle between rival cavemen tribes.

I can't see what was so shocking about it. It's posturing and showmanship. Meh.
 
2010-07-12 09:32:00 AM
Prussian_Roulette: I may be missing something, but the only people who seem to be getting upset are the Obamabots - presumably 'cuz of which way the PITA-meter is pointing.

How conflicting it must be. Warmongering, baby-eating, jarhead who shined in Bushiatler's illegal war, now appointed - along with "Gen. Betrayus" - by Obama himself to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat that Dems were cheering for only two years ago. I can't imagine what that cognitive dissonance must feel like. Oh, wait:


So "heckuva job there, Hopey" means there is no right wing rage over this guy? If you are correct, then why this was even submitted?
 
2010-07-12 09:34:22 AM
Gyrfalcon: Wolvernova is a idiot.

Your mom is a filthy whore.
 
2010-07-12 09:37:24 AM
www.daviddylanthomas.com

Now, I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country. Men, all this stuff you've heard about America not wanting to fight, wanting to stay out of the war, is a lot of horse dung. Americans traditionally love to fight. All real Americans love the sting of battle. When you were kids, you all admired the champion marble shooter, the fastest runner, the big league ball player, the toughest boxer. Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans play to win all the time. I wouldn't give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost and will never lose a war. Because the very thought of losing is hateful to Americans.

Now, some of you boys, I know, are wondering whether or not you'll chicken out under fire. Don't worry about it. I can assure you that you will all do your duty. The Nazis are the enemy. Wade into them. Spill their blood. Shoot them in the belly. When you put your hand into a bunch of goo that a moment before was your best friend's face, you'll know what to do.

Now there's another thing I want you to remember. I don't want to get any messages saying that we are holding our position. We're not holding anything. Let the Hun do that. We are advancing constantly and we're not interested in holding onto anything except the enemy. We're going to hold onto him by the nose and we're going to kick him in the ass. We're going to kick the hell out of him all the time and we're gonna go through him like crap through a goose.
 
2010-07-12 09:41:06 AM
i dunno, i think i would have been fun to shoot Germans and Japs in WW2.

He said *some* people... not all people. The some to which he is referring to would be the ENEMY. Folks like the FARKING TALIBAN and AL QAEDA(however it is spelled this week).
 
2010-07-12 09:41:49 AM
Also, it seems Subby has never heard of, and certainly never participated in smack talk.
 
2010-07-12 09:46:12 AM
demanton: Shows that some farkers will love on the military if it fits into the pro-Obama rhetoric.

Does it make you proud, subby?


FTFY (BSAB)
 
2010-07-12 09:48:56 AM
What is it with people who evangelize for their party only to undercut the ideas they hope to promote when they actually seem to win over the other side?
 
2010-07-12 09:57:24 AM
Good 'ole Mattis. I was a Recon Marine, and I can think of no finer General in the USMC. They guy know what the infantry thinks.
 
2010-07-12 10:04:14 AM
ArgusRun: There are two reasons I find the remarks troubling. One is that it shows he has a loose tongue. That he doesn't think about the impact of what he is saying. The language and emotion he is espousing here is okay for a grunt. For someone involved in the dirty business of war. One you reach his level, the job is more about politics and bureaucratic manipulation than shooting people. He should know better.

The second is that I think it shows he is actually out of touch with the troops who are doing the fighting and killing. The language might mirror what they use, but the reality of the emotional impact that active troops feel and deal with is far deeper if ptsd rates mean anything. He comes off as posing. "I was there. I know. I'm one of the guys." Maybe he was, but the emotional burdens we place on the soldiers today are different than in the past. Because of instant communication, deployed troops are burdened with both troubles at home and an active war zone that places far more engagement restrictions than at anytime in history.



I don't think you know much about Mattis beyond what the article provided. He's not only one of our best combat commanders, but he was part of the group that rewrote our counterinsurgency strategy, which emphasizes quality of life improvements and local engagement in order to locate and isolate insurgents. He hasn't had any demonstrable problem dealing and negotiating with local leaders or insurgent leaders (see Fallujah).
 
2010-07-12 10:17:34 AM
s2s2s2: What is it with people who evangelize for their party only to undercut the ideas they hope to promote when they actually seem to win over the other side?

People have no sense of ideological focus, for some reason. They truly see things differently when it's not "their party." That's why some people decry White Racism, but not Black Racism. Some people decry Black Racism, but not White Racism. Shouldn't we all just be decrying ALL racism?

That line of thought applies to nearly every topic. Spending, liberties, etc. On top of all of that, life is a grey area, and ideologies have to be flexible. It's hard for people to say "I'm against Deficit Spending, for EITHER party, except when it's actually necessary to serve a larger purpose."

Too many qualifiers, makes their brains hurt.
 
2010-07-12 10:36:17 AM
Cuchulane: Politics aside, he sounds like a sociopath.

Psychopath is more apt, as in psychopathic serial killer.
 
2010-07-12 10:45:09 AM
jules_siegel: Cuchulane: Politics aside, he sounds like a sociopath.

Psychopath is more apt, as in psychopathic serial killer.


It's perfectly okay for every ten year old in America to get a boner for headshots on the PSP, and it's good for all of us to fervently enjoy pretending to kill thousands of pretend-people playing ultraviolent war-games with no realistic consequences. . . but trained soldiers who admit to enjoying their jobs are psychopaths?

"What a country!"
--Y. Smirnov
 
2010-07-12 10:46:52 AM
LasersHurt: Too many qualifiers, makes their brains hurt.

I imagine something like this scenario (replace Christianist with a typical Democrat, for instance):
Christianist: You may only be saved by accepting Jesus as your lord and saviour!
Guy in front of a bar: "You make a great case, I now believe."
Christianist: That's not what you said 20 minutes ago, you damned dirty sinner!!
 
2010-07-12 10:50:03 AM
jules_siegel: Psychopath is more apt, as in psychopathic serial killer.

merrily we troll along, troll along, troll along
 
2010-07-12 10:52:14 AM
buckler: Salt Lick Steady: buckler: Salt Lick Steady: He basically said it's fun to kill them because they're so spineless and nutless that they've spent centuries feeling grand by slapping women around, holding hands in public, and thinking that only the taker is gay.

I would like to kill them too.

I like him.

Don't forget...they've also defeated every occupying force since Alexander the Great.

Flower power!

Gotdamn hippies.

Sorry. That's a matter of fact, not ideology.


Stop introducing your facts into our war masterbation fest.
 
2010-07-12 10:52:57 AM
s2s2s2: LasersHurt: Too many qualifiers, makes their brains hurt.

I imagine something like this scenario (replace Christianist with a typical Democrat, for instance):
Christianist: You may only be saved by accepting Jesus as your lord and saviour!
Guy in front of a bar: "You make a great case, I now believe."
Christianist: That's not what you said 20 minutes ago, you damned dirty sinner!!


LOL

How about this one:

Guy 1: Complaint about people feeling differently about issues depending on whether it's one's own party or not
Guy 2: Comments on how partisan thinking lead people to not support issues based on issues, or the complex circumstances around them, but simply along party lines.
Guy 1: LOL Yeah that other party sure is guilty of some flaw that I'm just CERTAIN my own party has never committed

(hint: you're one of the guys)
 
2010-07-12 11:00:25 AM
LasersHurt: LOL

How about this one:


I hope you are taking in consideration two things from my carefully written scenario "for instance"
and "Christianist" The guy that I originally responded too was coming from the standpoint or the democrat, as I presented, but I flipped it along ideological lines to show that both sides do it. Was that lost on you?

(Hint, you have no idea what type of guy I am)

/Poe
 
2010-07-12 11:01:37 AM
s2s2s2: I hope you are taking in consideration two things from my carefully written scenario "for instance"
and "Christianist". The guy that I originally responded too was coming from the standpoint of the democrat, as I presented, but I flipped it along ideological lines to show that both sides do it. Was that lost on you?

(Hint, you have no idea what type of guy I am)

/Poe


FTFM
 
2010-07-12 11:07:43 AM
mediablitz: Wait. Right wingers now think this is bad?

Wait, left winger now think this is good? Since when?

Oh, Jan 2009.
 
2010-07-12 11:11:28 AM
s2s2s2: LasersHurt: LOL

How about this one:

I hope you are taking in consideration two things from my carefully written scenario "for instance"
and "Christianist" The guy that I originally responded too was coming from the standpoint or the democrat, as I presented, but I flipped it along ideological lines to show that both sides do it. Was that lost on you?

(Hint, you have no idea what type of guy I am)

/Poe


Wow, uh, yeah, totally missed that. Actually, still miss it - but, you know, that could be because I can only read English. Your grammatical structure is confusing the shiat out of me, and I guess I got a false signal from you simply saying, "Democrats are like this," in essence. It was probably clear to YOU that you meant to provide that as a comparison to Republicans, but your post just didn't indicate that.

/Communications Breakdown
 
2010-07-12 11:23:45 AM
ko_kyi: jules_siegel: Psychopath is more apt, as in psychopathic serial killer.

merrily we troll along, troll along, troll along


Seriously? The guy says he takes pleasure from killing people and you think it's ridiculous to even contemplate labelling him a psychopath? I'd like to hear how your definition of the word disqualifies him.
 
2010-07-12 11:25:37 AM
naveline: It's perfectly okay for every ten year old in America to get a boner for headshots on the PSP, and it's good for all of us to fervently enjoy pretending to kill thousands of pretend-people playing ultraviolent war-games with no realistic consequences. . . but trained soldiers who admit to enjoying their jobs are psychopaths?

It's ok to enjoy, but only a psychopath would admit it.

More seriously, most soldiers don't enjoy killing. In a later disputed study military historian S. L. A Marshall claimed that 75% of all combat soldiers never fire their weapons in battle because of qualms about killing.

This is a highly politicized topic that would require a lengthy critical discussion of the available research. In the course of writing a San Francisco Chronicle book review on the issue I read at least four books about why men kill. I was struck by the regret and disgust frequently expressed by soldiers, which to be fair was sometimes about the pleasure they did feel.

Children know that the games are not reality. I'm confident that as grown-ups in combat they will appreciate the difference.
 
2010-07-12 11:26:27 AM
LasersHurt: Wow, uh, yeah, totally missed that. Actually, still miss it - but, you know, that could be because I can only read English. Your grammatical structure is confusing the shiat out of me

It wouldn't have been so hard to understand in person. But I suck at word math. I was presenting the christianist (means zealot that has no idea what the bible is about) as a way to represent a typical conservative. I just wanted to take it halfway out of politics since I was presenting a hypothetical.
I know Republicans do this(as well as do Christianists). I learned about both from the inside. Republicans were able to convince me that the DNC is wrong. They just never could convince me the RNC could be right.
 
2010-07-12 11:34:05 AM
s2s2s2: LasersHurt: Wow, uh, yeah, totally missed that. Actually, still miss it - but, you know, that could be because I can only read English. Your grammatical structure is confusing the shiat out of me

It wouldn't have been so hard to understand in person. But I suck at word math. I was presenting the christianist (means zealot that has no idea what the bible is about) as a way to represent a typical conservative. I just wanted to take it halfway out of politics since I was presenting a hypothetical.
I know Republicans do this(as well as do Christianists). I learned about both from the inside. Republicans were able to convince me that the DNC is wrong. They just never could convince me the RNC could be right.


Gotcha.
 
2010-07-12 11:41:30 AM
LasersHurt: Gotcha.

Both sides are of one coin.

So Flip it and Vote, I guess.
 
2010-07-12 12:06:25 PM
3_Butt_Cheeks: mediablitz: Wait. Right wingers now think this is bad?

Wait, left winger now think this is good? Since when?

Oh, Jan 2009.


Care to point to the massive "left-wing" movement against Mattis prior to Jan 2009. Perhaps you can quote some speech of Obama's about how he'd finally kick that bastard Mattis out of the military?
 
2010-07-12 12:20:54 PM
We shouldn't shoot middle easterners.

We should do as dear leader does:

www.usnews.com
 
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