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2010-07-11 07:56:42 PM  
...five years ago.

Oh, and goddamnyousomuch subby for making me click on an Al Jazeera report.
 
2010-07-11 08:29:03 PM  
why do you hate america, binladenmitter? do you despise the american military so much that you rub one out every time a soldier dies? you need to shave that beard, remove that turban, and realize that this is the united states of america - and we don't cotton to traitorous douchebags here.

i25.tinypic.com
 
2010-07-11 08:33:34 PM  
The last person you want to hire is a guy who likes his job and is good at it...
 
2010-07-11 09:06:48 PM  
Good deal. That is what you do when you are in a war.
 
2010-07-11 09:16:13 PM  
Wait. Right wingers now think this is bad?

Since when? Oh yeah, Jan 20th 2009.
 
2010-07-11 09:42:01 PM  
Politics aside, he sounds like a sociopath.
 
2010-07-11 10:08:02 PM  
Cuchulane: Politics aside, he sounds like a sociopath.

i18.tinypic.com
 
2010-07-11 10:14:25 PM  
Cuchulane: Politics aside, he sounds like a sociopath.

It's a job requirement. You're responsible for planning the mass killings of tens of thousands of people, including so called "innocents".
 
2010-07-11 10:15:57 PM  
Just my opinion, but this guy will not help us in our "wars". Messages like that spread like wildfire throughout Afghanistan.
 
2010-07-11 10:17:33 PM  
Still think this guy is a liberal worth defending, Democrats?
 
2010-07-11 10:17:52 PM  
Shows that some farkers will hate on the military if it fits into the anti-Obama rhetoric.

Does it make you proud, subby?
 
2010-07-11 10:19:32 PM  
By "this guy", I'm not referring to Mattis.
 
2010-07-11 10:21:08 PM  
Give him another Nobel Prize!

Also, derp.
 
2010-07-11 10:21:14 PM  
kevn357: Still think this guy is a liberal worth defending, Democrats?

Eat Sh*t, Kev. Generals aren't liberals or conservatives. Nobody is lobbying for him in regard to his political leanings you twit.
 
2010-07-11 10:21:23 PM  
The military is trained, equipped, and given tasks that have the element of bringing expansive violence and deadly force upon a defined enemy.

They are not lugging super lovey feather ticklers and cuddle machines. They are trained to be proficient with weapons are purpose built to cause harm, destruction, and chaos.

And we determined, long ago, to keep them at arms length from politics, and vice versa.
 
2010-07-11 10:22:15 PM  
So Obama appointed a Republican?

And the problem is...?
 
2010-07-11 10:22:36 PM  
kevn357: Still think this guy is a liberal worth defending, Democrats?

How do you know this guy is a liberal?
And why are you equating liberal and Democrat?
 
2010-07-11 10:23:13 PM  
Am I supposed to be outraged? I'm trying and nothing is happening.

Wake me up when we begin our withdrawal.
 
2010-07-11 10:23:16 PM  
The correct answer is...: ...five years ago.

Oh, and goddamnyousomuch subby for making me click on an Al Jazeera report.


I'd like to know the context of what he said but do you really think a person would change their mind on whether or not it's fun to shoot people just because 5 years have gone by?
 
2010-07-11 10:25:01 PM  
kevn357: By "this guy", I'm not referring to Mattis.

If you meant Obama, he's not a liberal in the sense of being left of the political centre. However, he is alot better than McCain or Palin would be.
I won't defend him when he's wrong.
 
2010-07-11 10:26:31 PM  
demanton: kevn357: Still think this guy is a liberal worth defending, Democrats?

Eat Sh*t, Kev. Generals aren't liberals or conservatives. Nobody is lobbying for him in regard to his political leanings you twit.


Learn how to read dipshiat. I said I was talking about Obama. Mattis is a stupid choice for what he said in the past.
 
2010-07-11 10:26:43 PM  
kevn357: Still think this guy is a liberal worth defending, Democrats?

He's a fighter who likes fighting and his job is fighting. So yeah, I guess. He wasn't being PC but Republicans hate that so its a compromise for them.
 
2010-07-11 10:26:59 PM  
Churchy LaFemme: So Obama appointed a Republican?

And the problem is...?


The problem is that Obama did something, which reminds Republicans that he even holds office. Which causes them to spaz the fark out.
 
2010-07-11 10:30:28 PM  
Proving once again that our military is nothing more than a self-directed killing machine made up of murderous thugs who would otherwise be slaughtering people stateside. I am starting to look at our non-stop aggression abroad as a 'release valve' to send the most dangerous in our society elsewhere in the world rather than letting them disrupt society here at home.
 
2010-07-11 10:30:56 PM  
bluraymedia.ign.com


Eddie: They're armed.
Soap: What was that? Armed? What do you mean armed? Armed with what?
Eddie: Err, bad breath, colorful language, feather duster... what do you think they're gonna be armed with? Guns, you tit!
 
2010-07-11 10:31:25 PM  
Dr. Mojo PhD: Churchy LaFemme: So Obama appointed a Republican?

And the problem is...?

The problem is that Obama did something, which reminds Republicans that he even holds office. Which causes them to spaz the fark out.


Ouch. That was painfully succinct.
 
2010-07-11 10:31:57 PM  
I'm as liberal as they come, and this bothers me. Not because I think he is a sociopath. Or because I think he likes killing people or is trivializing the wars.

There are two reasons I find the remarks troubling. One is that it shows he has a loose tongue. That he doesn't think about the impact of what he is saying. The language and emotion he is espousing here is okay for a grunt. For someone involved in the dirty business of war. One you reach his level, the job is more about politics and bureaucratic manipulation than shooting people. He should know better.

The second is that I think it shows he is actually out of touch with the troops who are doing the fighting and killing. The language might mirror what they use, but the reality of the emotional impact that active troops feel and deal with is far deeper if ptsd rates mean anything. He comes off as posing. "I was there. I know. I'm one of the guys." Maybe he was, but the emotional burdens we place on the soldiers today are different than in the past. Because of instant communication, deployed troops are burdened with both troubles at home and an active war zone that places far more engagement restrictions than at anytime in history.
 
2010-07-11 10:32:00 PM  
ACallForPeace: kevn357: By "this guy", I'm not referring to Mattis.

If you meant Obama, he's not a liberal in the sense of being left of the political centre. However, he is alot better than McCain or Palin would be.
I won't defend him when he's wrong.


No, people defend him when he does stupid shiat like this only because they buy into the liberal vs conservative bs. If Bush appointed this guy there would be a completely different tone to this thread.
 
2010-07-11 10:32:45 PM  
dlime16: kevn357: Still think this guy is a liberal worth defending, Democrats?

He's a fighter who likes fighting and his job is fighting. So yeah, I guess. He wasn't being PC but Republicans hate that so its a compromise for them.


I like him :)
 
2010-07-11 10:34:17 PM  
Dr. Mojo PhD: Churchy LaFemme: So Obama appointed a Republican?

And the problem is...?

The problem is that Obama did something, which reminds Republicans that he even holds office. Which causes them to spaz the fark out.


Or maybe it's just a stupid idea?
 
2010-07-11 10:35:34 PM  
All that said, I find the idea that Republicans or Fark Independents would pursue this line of criticism amusing to no end. I thought military brass, and the killing of enemies was to be admired.
 
2010-07-11 10:36:42 PM  
kevn357: Dr. Mojo PhD: Churchy LaFemme: So Obama appointed a Republican?

And the problem is...?

The problem is that Obama did something, which reminds Republicans that he even holds office. Which causes them to spaz the fark out.

Or maybe it's just a stupid idea?


What's stupid about his appointment? He's done excellent work with counter insurgency tactics and that's what we need.
 
2010-07-11 10:38:40 PM  
General Patton said dirty words and pissed in the Rhine. It was a mistake to hire him.
 
2010-07-11 10:39:29 PM  
kevn357: No, people defend him when he does stupid shiat like this only because they buy into the liberal vs conservative bs. If Bush appointed this guy there would be a completely different tone to this thread.

Do you see how inherently illogical it is for Republicans in this thread acting with no consistency whatsoever accusing Democrats of same in a hypothetical universe?

fark that and fark you.
 
2010-07-11 10:40:12 PM  
kevn357: Still think this guy is a liberal worth defending, Democrats?

Still think this guy is a seekrit mooslimb, kev?
 
2010-07-11 10:43:22 PM  
dlime16: kevn357: Dr. Mojo PhD: Churchy LaFemme: So Obama appointed a Republican?

And the problem is...?

The problem is that Obama did something, which reminds Republicans that he even holds office. Which causes them to spaz the fark out.

Or maybe it's just a stupid idea?

What's stupid about his appointment? He's done excellent work with counter insurgency tactics and that's what we need.


Did you not watch the video? This is the kind of shiat that fuels Taliban recruitment. This is pretty simple stuff. Is the goal to not win and drag this disaster out for 10 more years? If so, this a genius move.
 
2010-07-11 10:46:11 PM  
dillengest: I'd like to know the context of what he said but do you really think a person would change their mind on whether or not it's fun to shoot people just because 5 years have gone by?

How many combat veterans have you talked to?

/lots of people change their mind about how 'fun' it is after only 4 years
 
2010-07-11 10:48:33 PM  
Subby, would you be happier if the guy had said that "Violence is icky, and it's wrong of us to kill Afghanis just because 3000 people were killed in an attack planned from inside their country."

Really? Is that what you want?

Or are you just taking pot shots for the sake of being a partisan douchebag?

/not clicking the link
//fark al jazeera
 
2010-07-11 10:50:21 PM  
kevn357: Did you not watch the video? This is the kind of shiat that fuels Taliban recruitment. This is pretty simple stuff. Is the goal to not win and drag this disaster out for 10 more years? If so, this a genius move.

Why do I get the impression that this complaint is just political payback because everyone criticized Bush about "Bring it on"?
 
2010-07-11 10:51:05 PM  
wolvernova: Just my opinion, but this guy will not help us in our "wars". Messages like that spread like wildfire throughout Afghanistan.

No they don't. A lot of Afghans speak to us in Russian over there because they still think the Soviets are trying to take their country.
 
2010-07-11 10:51:41 PM  
kevn357: This is the kind of shiat that fuels Taliban recruitment.

Whatever you thought you were typing there Kev, this is what I read:
"Outlaw freedom of speech before some terrorists hear something that might offend them! Then hold me...I'm scared!"

/I wish you and the rest of the frightened idiots would go cower and blamestorm somewhere else...but I guess that's too much to ask.
 
2010-07-11 10:56:08 PM  
kevn357: dlime16: kevn357: Dr. Mojo PhD: Churchy LaFemme: So Obama appointed a Republican?

And the problem is...?

The problem is that Obama did something, which reminds Republicans that he even holds office. Which causes them to spaz the fark out.

Or maybe it's just a stupid idea?

What's stupid about his appointment? He's done excellent work with counter insurgency tactics and that's what we need.

Did you not watch the video? This is the kind of shiat that fuels Taliban recruitment. This is pretty simple stuff. Is the goal to not win and drag this disaster out for 10 more years? If so, this a genius move.


I took a second to look up the full quote "You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them. Actually it's quite fun to fight them, you know. It's a hell of a hoot. It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right up there with you. I like brawling.". If I were you I'd also check out Link (new window)

He's a warrior and he comes off as fine. He's done a good deal of work with counter insurgency tactics and the Marines and knows his shiat. And if we want to go off of stuff he has said he is the same guy who has given his Marine's the order to "Do no harm.". He's had soldiers clear out paths for Iraq funeral processions and actually take their helmets off as the funeral passed in respect.
 
2010-07-11 11:02:35 PM  
Brainsick: dillengest: I'd like to know the context of what he said but do you really think a person would change their mind on whether or not it's fun to shoot people just because 5 years have gone by?

How many combat veterans have you talked to?

/lots of people change their mind about how 'fun' it is after only 4 years


I'm assuming he already had several years of combat under his belt when he made the original comment.
 
2010-07-11 11:03:26 PM  
A more comprehensive, and in context, list of quotes from Gen. Mattis (new window).

I remember when this one started making the rounds...

"Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet."

Never heard this one until recently, but it's my favorite...

"I come in peace. I didn't bring artillery. But I'm pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you f#ck with me, I'll kill you all."

And this in the man we should dig out of the ground and clone to play Mattis in the eventual Golan-Globus production of OIF: The Movie...

www.movieactors.com
 
2010-07-11 11:06:55 PM  
If shooting jihadis is wrong, I don't wanna' be right.

/and it does sound like fun
 
2010-07-11 11:10:02 PM  
http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Best_selling_first-person_shooters

Best selling first-person shooters that have sold 5 million units or more.

Sales data from List of best-selling video games (Wikipedia)
modern warfare 2(14.7 million)
Halo Wars (8.1 million)
Halo 2 (8 million)
GoldenEye 007 (8 million)
Metal Gear Solid (7 million)
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty (7 million)
Half-Life 2 (6.5 million)
Halo: Combat Evolved (5 million)
Pain is Good (4.5 million)
Chou Aniki (3 million)

Well I'll be a monkey's uncle... apparently it IS fun to shoot some people.
 
2010-07-11 11:11:12 PM  
So republicans, did you have any problem with this guy at any point in the last 5 years that he said that? Especially since he was nominated by Bush a couple times. Where was you outrage then?
 
2010-07-11 11:11:57 PM  
mediablitz: Wait. Right wingers now think this is bad?

Since when? Oh yeah, Jan 20th 2009.


The headline is so hack I almost suspect a false flag.

If it is a r'ight w'inger: shut up idiot.
 
2010-07-11 11:13:42 PM  
Kumana Wanalaia: Subby, would you be happier if the guy had said that "Violence is icky, and it's wrong of us to kill Afghanis just because 3000 people were killed in an attack planned from inside their country."

Please compare- Our greatest, toughest generals. Our greatest defenders:

"I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity."
Dwight D. Eisenhower

"Although a soldier by profession, I have never felt any sort of fondness for war, and I have never advocated it, except as a means of peace."
Ulysses S. Grant

"My first wish is to see this plague of mankind, war, banished from the earth."
George Washington

Comparatively:

"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them. Actually, it's a lot of fun to fight. You know, it's a hell of a hoot. It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right upfront with you, I like brawling."
James Mattis
 
2010-07-11 11:17:35 PM  
dillengest: Brainsick: dillengest: I'd like to know the context of what he said but do you really think a person would change their mind on whether or not it's fun to shoot people just because 5 years have gone by?

How many combat veterans have you talked to?

/lots of people change their mind about how 'fun' it is after only 4 years

I'm assuming he already had several years of combat under his belt when he made the original comment.


I'm just saying, not EVERYBODY who kills people for the military likes it. A lot of them do, but NOT everybody. Having read the quote in context (no video, at work), it looks like this guy enjoys his job but I still wouldn't say that he's a 'sociopath' or somehow dangerous to anyone who isn't a ball-licking, wife beating, child killer.

/Some b*tches just need killin' -Abby Normal
 
2010-07-11 11:18:56 PM  
The name sounded familiar, I finally remembered from what - Generation Kill.
 
2010-07-11 11:20:01 PM  
Jaakobi: So republicans, did you have any problem with this guy at any point in the last 5 years that he said that? Especially since he was nominated by Bush a couple times. Where was you outrage then?

I'm almost convinced this is a false flag submission. In the meantime...

Hey guys, I was just trolling, I agree with this appointment. Sorry my headline got everyone so confused.
 
2010-07-11 11:22:40 PM  
Cuchulane: Kumana Wanalaia: Subby, would you be happier if the guy had said that "Violence is icky, and it's wrong of us to kill Afghanis just because 3000 people were killed in an attack planned from inside their country."

Please compare- Our greatest, toughest generals. Our greatest defenders:

"I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity."
Dwight D. Eisenhower

"Although a soldier by profession, I have never felt any sort of fondness for war, and I have never advocated it, except as a means of peace."
Ulysses S. Grant

"My first wish is to see this plague of mankind, war, banished from the earth."
George Washington

Comparatively:

"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them. Actually, it's a lot of fun to fight. You know, it's a hell of a hoot. It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right upfront with you, I like brawling."
James Mattis


Did you leave out Patton for a reason?
Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best; it removes all that is base. All men are afraid in battle. The coward is the one who lets his fear overcome his sense of duty. Duty is the essence of manhood.
 
2010-07-11 11:23:03 PM  
USP .45: Jaakobi: So republicans, did you have any problem with this guy at any point in the last 5 years that he said that? Especially since he was nominated by Bush a couple times. Where was you outrage then?

I'm almost convinced this is a false flag submission. In the meantime...

Hey guys, I was just trolling, I agree with this appointment. Sorry my headline got everyone so confused.


/pat
//comfort
 
2010-07-11 11:23:37 PM  
dlime16: Did you leave out Patton for a reason?
Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best; it removes all that is base. All men are afraid in battle. The coward is the one who lets his fear overcome his sense of duty. Duty is the essence of manhood.


Not sure how that equals "I like killin".
 
2010-07-11 11:24:32 PM  
tallguywithglasseson: The name sounded familiar, I finally remembered from what - Generation Kill.

yeah, and if you recall some of the quotes, taken by the by Rolling Stone reporter (irony)...

Cpl. Ray Person, 1st Reconnaissance Battalion, 1st Marine Division: [in response to a child's letter] Dear Frederick, thank you for your nice letter, but I am actually a US Marine who was born to kill, whereas clearly you seam to have mistaken me for some sort of wine sipping, communist dick suck. And although peace probably appeals to tree hugging bi-sexuals like you and your parents, I happen to be a death-dealing, blood-crazed warrior who wakes up every day just hoping for the chance to dismember my enemies and defile their civilizations. Peace sucks a hairy asshole, Freddy. War is the mother-farking answer.
 
2010-07-11 11:24:42 PM  
Jaakobi: So republicans, did you have any problem with this guy at any point in the last 5 years that he said that? Especially since he was nominated by Bush a couple times. Where was you outrage then?

I may be missing something, but the only people who seem to be getting upset are the Obamabots - presumably 'cuz of which way the PITA-meter is pointing.

How conflicting it must be. Warmongering, baby-eating, jarhead who shined in Bushiatler's illegal war, now appointed - along with "Gen. Betrayus" - by Obama himself to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat that Dems were cheering for only two years ago. I can't imagine what that cognitive dissonance must feel like. Oh, wait:

www.ifc.com
 
2010-07-11 11:25:55 PM  
mediablitz: dlime16: Did you leave out Patton for a reason?
Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best; it removes all that is base. All men are afraid in battle. The coward is the one who lets his fear overcome his sense of duty. Duty is the essence of manhood.

Not sure how that equals "I like killin".


No, but he had a lot of "yay fighting" quotes. I just find it amusing that Cuchulane left him out just because he doesn't have any popular quotes condemning war.
 
2010-07-11 11:31:15 PM  
Prussian_Roulette: Jaakobi: So republicans, did you have any problem with this guy at any point in the last 5 years that he said that? Especially since he was nominated by Bush a couple times. Where was you outrage then?

I may be missing something, but the only people who seem to be getting upset are the Obamabots - presumably 'cuz of which way the PITA-meter is pointing.

How conflicting it must be. Warmongering, baby-eating, jarhead who shined in Bushiatler's illegal war, now appointed - along with "Gen. Betrayus" - by Obama himself to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat that Dems were cheering for only two years ago. I can't imagine what that cognitive dissonance must feel like. Oh, wait:(head asplode.gif)


Really? Can't imagine? Heh. Heheheh. BWAhahahah!!!
Can't imagine...that's rich
 
2010-07-11 11:32:37 PM  
Cuchulane:

First, those quotes are not only all from generals, they are all from presidents. One of whom is the father of the nation. High standards are fine, but your comparison is lopsided.

And this particular quote may not flatter him as a peaceful warrior, but it doesn't strike me as inappropriate for him to head CentCom. Just because he's not flawlessly perfect in every way doesn't mean he's not the right man for the job.

Now, let's see you make your own points on the comparison you're making. I'll be back tomorrow afternoon to respond.

Surprise me.
 
2010-07-11 11:33:19 PM  
Jaakobi: So republicans, did you have any problem with this guy at any point in the last 5 years that he said that?


Nope.
 
2010-07-11 11:33:51 PM  
Cuchulane: Kumana Wanalaia: Subby, would you be happier if the guy had said that "Violence is icky, and it's wrong of us to kill Afghanis just because 3000 people were killed in an attack planned from inside their country."

Please compare- Our greatest, toughest generals. Our greatest defenders:

"I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity."
Dwight D. Eisenhower

"Although a soldier by profession, I have never felt any sort of fondness for war, and I have never advocated it, except as a means of peace."
Ulysses S. Grant

"My first wish is to see this plague of mankind, war, banished from the earth."
George Washington

Comparatively:

"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them. Actually, it's a lot of fun to fight. You know, it's a hell of a hoot. It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right upfront with you, I like brawling."
James Mattis


Military industrial complex + standing armies = "America, fark YEAH!" fascism
 
2010-07-11 11:37:47 PM  
wolvernova: Messages like that spread like wildfire throughout Afghanistan.


Good.
 
2010-07-11 11:41:54 PM  
Prussian_Roulette: I may be missing something, but the only people who seem to be getting upset are the Obamabots - presumably 'cuz of which way the PITA-meter is pointing.

How conflicting it must be. Warmongering, baby-eating, jarhead who shined in Bushiatler's illegal war, now appointed - along with "Gen. Betrayus" - by Obama himself to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat that Dems were cheering for only two years ago. I can't imagine what that cognitive dissonance must feel like. Oh, wait:


Yeah that's a fantasy actually made up in your mind.

There's several things wrong with your premises:

1. If "Obamabots" actually existed as you allege, they would necessarily follow Obama's decisions, unquestioningly. This is the implication of the suffix -bot, as in robot, as in a programmed thing without thought. They would necessarily not have a problem with it all. Rather than seeing this as the contradiction in terms that it must be, you simply follow it up with a thought-terminating cliche.

In point of fact, the only Democrats that would have a problem with it are de facto free-thinkers, and not some brain-washed cult-like group, which plainly and indisputably demonstrates your belief in Obamabots to be false. Again, however, your reliance on thought-terminating cliche is obvious.

2. I see plenty of liberals in this thread who are not perplexed at all by this decision, especially when the suppressed context of the quote is restored in full. Therefore your generalization is grossly unsound.

3. If "Dems" were, as you allege without evidence (and which is plainly obvious is only another canard cooked up along with "Obamabots", which we have previously seen on the simplest of examinations fails to hold water), hoping for defeat, then why would a Democratic president appoint two Bush-era celebrated appointees to "snatch victory"?

Especially given points 1 and 3, the only person suffering any sort of cognitive dissonance here is plainly you. That's quite the failure on your part, congratulations.
 
2010-07-11 11:42:33 PM  
Gato Negro: If shooting jihadis is wrong, I don't wanna' be right.

/and it does sound like fun


But not quite enough fun to actually go do it or anything, huh
 
2010-07-11 11:43:20 PM  
Aidan: Dr. Mojo PhD: Churchy LaFemme: So Obama appointed a Republican?

And the problem is...?

The problem is that Obama did something, which reminds Republicans that he even holds office. Which causes them to spaz the fark out.

Ouch. That was painfully succinct.


"Painful" is... not a strong enough word....
 
2010-07-11 11:44:42 PM  
wolvernova: Messages like that spread like wildfire throughout Afghanistan.

So...not at all?
ih2.redbubble.net
 
2010-07-11 11:46:25 PM  
MrGumboPants: kevn357: No, people defend him when he does stupid shiat like this only because they buy into the liberal vs conservative bs. If Bush appointed this guy there would be a completely different tone to this thread.

Do you see how inherently illogical it is for Republicans in this thread acting with no consistency whatsoever accusing Democrats of same in a hypothetical universe?

fark that and fark you.


Aww, is your partisan stupidity making you angry? You can't justify stupid because the other "team" does it.
 
2010-07-11 11:46:26 PM  
Gato Negro: wolvernova: Messages like that spread like wildfire throughout Afghanistan.


Good.


It's a fallacy to assume that they would react to such statements as you would react to such statements. Hint: they don't. In the West, we'd say "they don't care if they die," as a gross oversimplification, but over there they say "Insha'Allah."
 
2010-07-11 11:47:36 PM  
Relatively Obscure: Gato Negro: If shooting jihadis is wrong, I don't wanna' be right.

/and it does sound like fun

But not quite enough fun to actually go do it or anything, huh


i.imgur.com
 
2010-07-11 11:50:26 PM  
Cinaed: The military is trained, equipped, and given tasks that have the element of bringing expansive violence and deadly force upon a defined enemy.

They are not lugging super lovey feather ticklers and cuddle machines. They are trained to be proficient with weapons are purpose built to cause harm, destruction, and chaos.

And we determined, long ago, to keep them at arms length from politics, and vice versa.


A lot of people still think it should be a requirement to have military experience for someone to become president.
 
2010-07-11 11:50:53 PM  
dlime16: No, but he had a lot of "yay fighting" quotes. I just find it amusing that Cuchulane left him out just because he doesn't have any popular quotes condemning war.

I'd say if you DO like war, military general or not, there is something seriously wrong with you.

/6 year military veteran
 
2010-07-11 11:51:05 PM  
2theruns: Cuchulane: Kumana Wanalaia: Subby, would you be happier if the guy had said that "Violence is icky, and it's wrong of us to kill Afghanis just because 3000 people were killed in an attack planned from inside their country."

Please compare- Our greatest, toughest generals. Our greatest defenders:

"I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity."
Dwight D. Eisenhower

"Although a soldier by profession, I have never felt any sort of fondness for war, and I have never advocated it, except as a means of peace."
Ulysses S. Grant

"My first wish is to see this plague of mankind, war, banished from the earth."
George Washington

Comparatively:

"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them. Actually, it's a lot of fun to fight. You know, it's a hell of a hoot. It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right upfront with you, I like brawling."
James Mattis

Military industrial complex + standing armies = "America, fark YEAH!" fascism


This. We pay the Taliban to fight us to justify this never ending BS war. Fiscal responsibility should trump the fear of the boogeymen terrorists. Our own Government even says there are fewer than 50 terrorists there.
 
2010-07-11 11:51:45 PM  
justoneznot: A lot of people still think it should be a requirement to have military experience for someone to become president.


I'm one of them.
 
2010-07-11 11:52:51 PM  
kevn357: ACallForPeace: kevn357: By "this guy", I'm not referring to Mattis.

If you meant Obama, he's not a liberal in the sense of being left of the political centre. However, he is alot better than McCain or Palin would be.
I won't defend him when he's wrong.

No, people defend him when he does stupid shiat like this only because they buy into the liberal vs conservative bs. If Bush appointed this guy there would be a completely different tone to this thread.


Wow. Obama appointed someone who only joined the military in early 2009 to head CentCom? Now THAT'S a quick rise through the ranks!
 
2010-07-11 11:52:51 PM  
Relatively Obscure: Gato Negro: If shooting jihadis is wrong, I don't wanna' be right.

/and it does sound like fun

But not quite enough fun to actually go do it or anything, huh


Much easy being part of the keyboard kommando brigade.
 
2010-07-11 11:53:49 PM  
Godddamn whiny dilletantes piss me off when they pretend their states-side sensibilities are in any way germane to the context we're talking about. If you are upset about what Mattis said, you are way too delicate and naive to be weighing in once the fighting has already started. You understand we ARE killing people there, right? Do you grasp the gravity of this? He's a General, not a goddamn congressman.
 
2010-07-11 11:56:51 PM  
kevn357: Did you not watch the video? This is the kind of shiat that fuels Taliban recruitment. This is pretty simple stuff. Is the goal to not win and drag this disaster out for 10 more years? If so, this a genius move.

kevn357: This. We pay the Taliban to fight us to justify this never ending BS war. Fiscal responsibility should trump the fear of the boogeymen terrorists. Our own Government even says there are fewer than 50 terrorists there.

So which is it, will it fuel Taliban recruitment or are their barely any Taliban left? Because it can't be both.

Just a word of advice, bro: Before shooting off your mouth, review your previous statements and make sure they don't blatantly contradict what you've said previously.
 
2010-07-12 12:00:05 AM  
ZipSplat: He's a General, not a goddamn congressman.


Ah, but a liberal's work is never done...

i27.tinypic.com
 
2010-07-12 12:00:49 AM  
ZipSplat: You understand we ARE killing people there, right? Do you grasp the gravity of this? He's a General, not a goddamn congressman.

It's the taking gleeful delight in the task that upsets some people.

I personally don't GAS. War sucks. He was (IMO) talking about killing people who blow up schools because women are being taught. Kill women because they were raped, etc.

Hard for me to get a dander up over that. Still don't like people who take pleasure in war and killing though.

It IS possible to not like people like him and still be fine with him killing the people he talks about.
 
2010-07-12 12:01:43 AM  
Dr. Mojo PhD: kevn357: Did you not watch the video? This is the kind of shiat that fuels Taliban recruitment. This is pretty simple stuff. Is the goal to not win and drag this disaster out for 10 more years? If so, this a genius move.

kevn357: This. We pay the Taliban to fight us to justify this never ending BS war. Fiscal responsibility should trump the fear of the boogeymen terrorists. Our own Government even says there are fewer than 50 terrorists there.

So which is it, will it fuel Taliban recruitment or are their barely any Taliban left? Because it can't be both.

Just a word of advice, bro: Before shooting off your mouth, review your previous statements and make sure they don't blatantly contradict what you've said previously.


No contradictions there , bro. Al Quada is not the Taliban. The Taliban are not responsible for 9/11. Maybe you should educate yourself about the region before you shoot off your mouth. And if you really think we are going to eliminate the Taliban by occupying Afghanistan you're a farking moron.
 
2010-07-12 12:03:27 AM  
mediablitz: Still don't like people who take pleasure in war and killing though.


You sound like a bigot.

Jihadis are people too, you know... and they've got feelings.
 
2010-07-12 12:04:50 AM  
kevn357: No contradictions there , bro. Al Quada is not the Taliban. The Taliban are not responsible for 9/11. Maybe you should educate yourself about the region before you shoot off your mouth. And if you really think we are going to eliminate the Taliban by occupying Afghanistan you're a farking moron.

Please tell me you are under 25 years old. Cuz that is really your only excuse for being such an insufferable clueless prick.
 
2010-07-12 12:07:29 AM  
Gato Negro: Ah, but a liberal's work is never done...

i27.tinypic.com


Is that the same Cox & Forkum that falsely claimed Saddam had WMD's?

I'm just wondering because their credibility is questionable, since they lie first and print no retractions later.
 
2010-07-12 12:10:03 AM  
Dr. Mojo PhD: Is that the same Cox & Forkum that falsely claimed Saddam had WMD's?


Were they in congress?
 
2010-07-12 12:10:15 AM  
Gato Negro: ZipSplat: He's a General, not a goddamn congressman.


Ah, but a liberal's work is never done...


STFU, you tool bags are by far more dangerous to the goal of honest discourse than "liberals".
 
2010-07-12 12:10:18 AM  
kevn357: No contradictions there , bro. Al Quada is not the Taliban. The Taliban are not responsible for 9/11. Maybe you should educate yourself about the region before you shoot off your mouth. And if you really think we are going to eliminate the Taliban by occupying Afghanistan you're a farking moron.

Are you seriously suggesting the Taliban didn't shelter al Qaeda?

Was I wrong to be charitable and assume that you understood the cassus belli of Afghanistan? It appears I was.

mediablitz: Please tell me you are under 25 years old. Cuz that is really your only excuse for being such an insufferable clueless prick.

A minor typo.
 
2010-07-12 12:10:19 AM  
Gato Negro: ZipSplat: He's a General, not a goddamn congressman.


Ah, but a liberal's work is never done...


You can't see the Republicans in that cartoon because they are inside, egging on the guy with the gun and counting the money they made by contracting the soldiers ammo and body armor to the lowest bidder (which they happen to own majority shares of).
 
2010-07-12 12:15:12 AM  
mediablitz: kevn357: No contradictions there , bro. Al Quada is not the Taliban. The Taliban are not responsible for 9/11. Maybe you should educate yourself about the region before you shoot off your mouth. And if you really think we are going to eliminate the Taliban by occupying Afghanistan you're a farking moron.

Please tell me you are under 25 years old. Cuz that is really your only excuse for being such an insufferable clueless prick.


You sure changed my mind. Thanks for those helpful facts that proved me wrong.
 
2010-07-12 12:15:16 AM  
Gato Negro: Dr. Mojo PhD: Is that the same Cox & Forkum that falsely claimed Saddam had WMD's?


Were they in congress?


That's a really lengthy way to say "yes", you know. You could just say "Yes".

Though preferably you'd say "Yes it's the same Cox & Forkum that falsely claimed Saddam Hussein had WMDs, and rather than issue a retraction simply continued to parrot absolutely everything the Republicans and the American right fed them as gospel truth, making their allegations that liberals wanted American troops to die as credible as their allegations that Saddam had WMDs, that being allegations advanced with zero fact-checking, zero credibility, and representing only the repetition of smears rather than based on anything in reality."

Yes, that's a much better mea culpa on your part. Or I suppose you could just find some more anti-Semitic Dees Illustrations (you know, the ones that claim your hated Osama bin Laden was framed for 9/11) and post those instead. I hear he has some really good zingers about Al Gore.
 
2010-07-12 12:19:15 AM  
Dr. Mojo PhD: kevn357: No contradictions there , bro. Al Quada is not the Taliban. The Taliban are not responsible for 9/11. Maybe you should educate yourself about the region before you shoot off your mouth. And if you really think we are going to eliminate the Taliban by occupying Afghanistan you're a farking moron.

Are you seriously suggesting the Taliban didn't shelter al Qaeda?

Was I wrong to be charitable and assume that you understood the cassus belli of Afghanistan? It appears I was.

mediablitz: Please tell me you are under 25 years old. Cuz that is really your only excuse for being such an insufferable clueless prick.

A minor typo.


It's a little more complicated than that, but you already knew that it seems. Keep trying to say the Taliban had something to do with 9/11 though. Neocons love it when their lies are spread.
 
2010-07-12 12:19:21 AM  
Gato Negro: ZipSplat: He's a General, not a goddamn congressman.


Ah, but a liberal's work is never done...


In this thread it appears to be the Republicans who are the ones who are upset about the soldiers offending the delicate sensibilities of the Taliban...
 
2010-07-12 12:19:41 AM  
kevn357: mediablitz: kevn357: No contradictions there , bro. Al Quada is not the Taliban. The Taliban are not responsible for 9/11. Maybe you should educate yourself about the region before you shoot off your mouth. And if you really think we are going to eliminate the Taliban by occupying Afghanistan you're a farking moron.

Please tell me you are under 25 years old. Cuz that is really your only excuse for being such an insufferable clueless prick.

You sure changed my mind. Thanks for those helpful facts that proved me wrong.


Let us know when you start posting facts and I will respond to you accordingly.
 
2010-07-12 12:21:18 AM  
kevn357: Neocons love it when their lies are spread.

Oh holy fark. Dr. Mojo is a neocon now!

Keep digging dude. It's really getting funny.
 
2010-07-12 12:22:54 AM  
kevn357: It's a little more complicated than that, but you already knew that it seems. Keep trying to say the Taliban had something to do with 9/11 though. Neocons love it when their lies are spread.

Mmm-hmm. I suppose when you can't tell the truth, lie, invent a strawman, and attempt to smear your enemies. It must be nice being human garbage!
 
2010-07-12 12:23:35 AM  
Troll fight!
 
2010-07-12 12:26:18 AM  
mediablitz: kevn357: Neocons love it when their lies are spread.

Oh holy fark. Dr. Mojo is a neocon now!

Keep digging dude. It's really getting funny.


For a while I was also employed by CENTCOM when I questioned 9/11 truthers. (In fact, General Mattis is taking over my command). I have one hell of a resume, let me tell you.
 
2010-07-12 12:27:59 AM  
Gato Negro: Troll fight!

Who will be your opponent, though? David Dees? That's not really fair, you seem to really like that 9/11-truther and anti-Semite. Is that a conflict of interest for you?
 
2010-07-12 12:53:03 AM  
Hick: Good deal. That is what you do when you are in a war.

Too bad we aren't "at war" with Afghanistan.
 
2010-07-12 01:01:16 AM  
ZipSplat: STFU...

Beat me to the thread.

I sorta like the guy so far. Let's see how he works out.

I am a bit surprised lately about comments generals are making in public, I always saw them as being moderately savvy politicians first and foremost after that first star.

Not that Mattis didn't like his trigger time, but that he'd say it in public.
 
2010-07-12 01:03:53 AM  
mediablitz: kevn357: Neocons love it when their lies are spread.

Oh holy fark. Dr. Mojo is a neocon now!

Keep digging dude. It's really getting funny.


Oh please. You know damn well that I didn't call him a neocon. He's repeating a neocon lie and I'm calling him on it. You two want to call me a child for saying the Taliban had nothing to do with 9/11, yet you have no proof.
 
2010-07-12 01:07:57 AM  
Dr. Mojo PhD: kevn357: It's a little more complicated than that, but you already knew that it seems. Keep trying to say the Taliban had something to do with 9/11 though. Neocons love it when their lies are spread.

Mmm-hmm. I suppose when you can't tell the truth, lie, invent a strawman, and attempt to smear your enemies. It must be nice being human garbage!


Human garbage? Nice. The only reason you started with me is because you thought I was a Republican. Pretty sad actually. I'm calling you out on your partisan BS and you have nothing but insults.
 
2010-07-12 01:19:55 AM  
kevn357: Oh please. You know damn well that I didn't call him a neocon. He's repeating a neocon lie and I'm calling him on it. You two want to call me a child for saying the Taliban had nothing to do with 9/11, yet you have no proof.

No, you are getting called out for being a sniveling biatch. No one said anything about the Taliban. You started with your childish labeling. Now you got shiat on and you are crying some more.
 
2010-07-12 01:31:32 AM  
It never ceases to amaze me that we DEMAND our soldiers go out there and be mean! lean! killing machines! that our whole culture glorifies the American soldier as the finest practitioner of the deadly science of warfare history has ever seen! that there are bumper stickers and signs from coast to coast exhorting Marines to kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out!

And when we get a leader of soldiers up there who says he by God loves killing bad guys, everyone squinches up their faces like a little girl faced with a squashed mouse on the sidewalk and goes "Ew, icky, we don't like to think of war as killing people! Tell the bad man to stop talking like that!"

Farking hypocrites.
 
2010-07-12 01:31:46 AM  
Gato Negro: Troll fight!

When DEVGRU shot those two Somalia kids on President Obama's orders, did you join Rush Limbaugh's shrill chorus denouncing the "politically motivated killing of innocent children"?

You and the rest of the partisans in American politics are fair-weather friends of the military.
 
2010-07-12 01:32:07 AM  
Wolvernova is a idiot.
 
2010-07-12 01:44:52 AM  
kevn357: The only reason you started with me is because you thought I was a Republican.

Really? Do you have any evidence to back that up, some quote of mine maybe from this thread that you can share, or is that part of your persecution complex, you farking piece of trash?
 
2010-07-12 02:01:07 AM  
USP .45: mediablitz: Wait. Right wingers now think this is bad?

Since when? Oh yeah, Jan 20th 2009.

The headline is so hack I almost suspect a false flag.

If it is a r'ight w'inger: shut up idiot.


This...

Mattis kicks ass. I'm was almost surprised he actually got the position because he's perfect man for it, and it makes too much sense.

Semper Fi
img24.imageshack.us

BTW, If you really want to get inside his head, read No True Glory (new window) by Bing West.
 
2010-07-12 02:05:38 AM  
Dr. Mojo PhD: kevn357: The only reason you started with me is because you thought I was a Republican.

Really? Do you have any evidence to back that up, some quote of mine maybe from this thread that you can share, or is that part of your persecution complex, you farking piece of trash?


More insults and no facts to back up your rovian bs. Seriously, what happened to you?
 
2010-07-12 02:09:13 AM  
mediablitz: kevn357: Oh please. You know damn well that I didn't call him a neocon. He's repeating a neocon lie and I'm calling him on it. You two want to call me a child for saying the Taliban had nothing to do with 9/11, yet you have no proof.

No, you are getting called out for being a sniveling biatch. No one said anything about the Taliban. You started with your childish labeling. Now you got shiat on and you are crying some more.



Dr. Mojo PhD: kevn357: Did you not watch the video? This is the kind of shiat that fuels Taliban recruitment. This is pretty simple stuff. Is the goal to not win and drag this disaster out for 10 more years? If so, this a genius move.

kevn357: This. We pay the Taliban to fight us to justify this never ending BS war. Fiscal responsibility should trump the fear of the boogeymen terrorists. Our own Government even says there are fewer than 50 terrorists there.

So which is it, will it fuel Taliban recruitment or are their barely any Taliban left? Because it can't be both.



No one said anything about the Taliban? Really? What the fark are you even arguing with me for?
 
2010-07-12 02:59:53 AM  
kevn357: Dr. Mojo PhD: kevn357: The only reason you started with me is because you thought I was a Republican.

Really? Do you have any evidence to back that up, some quote of mine maybe from this thread that you can share, or is that part of your persecution complex, you farking piece of trash?

More insults and no facts to back up your rovian bs. Seriously, what happened to you?


I'll ask you again: Where's YOUR facts to back up your "You thought I was a Republican" BS?

You don't have any, and you're too proud and intellectually bankrupt to admit your mistake.
 
2010-07-12 03:02:20 AM  
kevn357: No one said anything about the Taliban? Really? What the fark are you even arguing with me for?

Yeah let's take a look at that again:

kevn357: Dr. Mojo PhD: kevn357: Did you not watch the video? This is the kind of shiat that fuels Taliban recruitment. This is pretty simple stuff. Is the goal to not win and drag this disaster out for 10 more years? If so, this a genius move.

kevn357: This. We pay the Taliban to fight us to justify this never ending BS war. Fiscal responsibility should trump the fear of the boogeymen terrorists. Our own Government even says there are fewer than 50 terrorists there.

So which is it, will it fuel Taliban recruitment or are their barely any Taliban left? Because it can't be both.


Do you know who I was quoting? You. I was quoting you mentioning the Taliban. I got the whole "nobody mentioned the Taliban before you brought them up" aspect of mediablitz's statement, but apparently it sailed over your head.

Why not cut out the middle man, not quote me at all, and then quote yourself bringing up the Taliban as proof other people brought up the Taliban.
 
2010-07-12 03:15:05 AM  
Lost Thought 00: Cuchulane: Politics aside, he sounds like a sociopath.

It's a job requirement. You're responsible for planning the mass killings of tens of thousands of people, including so called "innocents".


War is obviously an exothermic and irreversable process some ΔS' is to be expected.
 
2010-07-12 03:40:45 AM  
NewportBarGuy: Am I supposed to be outraged? I'm trying and nothing is happening.

Wake me up when we begin our withdrawal.


You do want to wake up, don't you?
 
2010-07-12 04:43:33 AM  
That has always been the mantra of the military. It's to make soldiers less hesitant to kill. I killed thousands of Iraqis 'cause of it.
 
2010-07-12 05:51:59 AM  
NewEnglandGangster: That has always been the mantra of the military. It's to make soldiers less hesitant to kill. I killed thousands of Iraqis 'cause of it.

:/
 
2010-07-12 07:25:34 AM  
Gyrfalcon: It never ceases to amaze me that we DEMAND our soldiers go out there and be mean! lean! killing machines! that our whole culture glorifies the American soldier as the finest practitioner of the deadly science of warfare history has ever seen! that there are bumper stickers and signs from coast to coast exhorting Marines to kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out!

And when we get a leader of soldiers up there who says he by God loves killing bad guys, everyone squinches up their faces like a little girl faced with a squashed mouse on the sidewalk and goes "Ew, icky, we don't like to think of war as killing people! Tell the bad man to stop talking like that!"

Farking hypocrites.


It's not hypocritical. Yes we expect our military units to engage with and to destroy the enemy decisively. That's what they're there for. At the same time, historically, the American serviceman or woman has been trained to approach war with a certain modicum of decency and dignity. It is not to be taken lightly. This is illustrated by the letter above posted by Ontos. Kill when required, but otherwise be respectful and chivalrous. No true serviceman, I believe, would ever say they thought killing was "fun" or "a hoot", but a regrettably necessary duty, which they will not hesitate to carry out.

I'm quite liberal. I'm also a vet. Had I been enlisted during wartime, I would have unhesitatingly carried out my duty, but I doubt I would have called it "fun".
 
2010-07-12 07:48:10 AM  
wake me up when we start to win

Oh, and this guy just might do it.
 
2010-07-12 07:56:56 AM  
He basically said it's fun to kill them because they're so spineless and nutless that they've spent centuries feeling grand by slapping women around, holding hands in public, and thinking that only the taker is gay.

I would like to kill them too.

I like him.
 
2010-07-12 08:04:04 AM  
Salt Lick Steady: He basically said it's fun to kill them because they're so spineless and nutless that they've spent centuries feeling grand by slapping women around, holding hands in public, and thinking that only the taker is gay.

I would like to kill them too.

I like him.


Don't forget...they've also defeated every occupying force since Alexander the Great.
 
2010-07-12 08:22:13 AM  
buckler: Salt Lick Steady: He basically said it's fun to kill them because they're so spineless and nutless that they've spent centuries feeling grand by slapping women around, holding hands in public, and thinking that only the taker is gay.

I would like to kill them too.

I like him.

Don't forget...they've also defeated every occupying force since Alexander the Great.


Flower power!

Gotdamn hippies.
 
2010-07-12 08:29:41 AM  
Salt Lick Steady: buckler: Salt Lick Steady: He basically said it's fun to kill them because they're so spineless and nutless that they've spent centuries feeling grand by slapping women around, holding hands in public, and thinking that only the taker is gay.

I would like to kill them too.

I like him.

Don't forget...they've also defeated every occupying force since Alexander the Great.

Flower power!

Gotdamn hippies.


Sorry. That's a matter of fact, not ideology.
 
2010-07-12 08:31:19 AM  
His mistake was not getting the reporters out of the room before the "rah-rah, we're gonna kill those bastards" Pattonesque speech.

Combat leaders have said this stuff since the night before the first organized battle between rival cavemen tribes.

I can't see what was so shocking about it. It's posturing and showmanship. Meh.
 
2010-07-12 09:32:00 AM  
Prussian_Roulette: I may be missing something, but the only people who seem to be getting upset are the Obamabots - presumably 'cuz of which way the PITA-meter is pointing.

How conflicting it must be. Warmongering, baby-eating, jarhead who shined in Bushiatler's illegal war, now appointed - along with "Gen. Betrayus" - by Obama himself to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat that Dems were cheering for only two years ago. I can't imagine what that cognitive dissonance must feel like. Oh, wait:


So "heckuva job there, Hopey" means there is no right wing rage over this guy? If you are correct, then why this was even submitted?
 
2010-07-12 09:34:22 AM  
Gyrfalcon: Wolvernova is a idiot.

Your mom is a filthy whore.
 
2010-07-12 09:37:24 AM  
www.daviddylanthomas.com

Now, I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country. Men, all this stuff you've heard about America not wanting to fight, wanting to stay out of the war, is a lot of horse dung. Americans traditionally love to fight. All real Americans love the sting of battle. When you were kids, you all admired the champion marble shooter, the fastest runner, the big league ball player, the toughest boxer. Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans play to win all the time. I wouldn't give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost and will never lose a war. Because the very thought of losing is hateful to Americans.

Now, some of you boys, I know, are wondering whether or not you'll chicken out under fire. Don't worry about it. I can assure you that you will all do your duty. The Nazis are the enemy. Wade into them. Spill their blood. Shoot them in the belly. When you put your hand into a bunch of goo that a moment before was your best friend's face, you'll know what to do.

Now there's another thing I want you to remember. I don't want to get any messages saying that we are holding our position. We're not holding anything. Let the Hun do that. We are advancing constantly and we're not interested in holding onto anything except the enemy. We're going to hold onto him by the nose and we're going to kick him in the ass. We're going to kick the hell out of him all the time and we're gonna go through him like crap through a goose.
 
2010-07-12 09:41:06 AM  
i dunno, i think i would have been fun to shoot Germans and Japs in WW2.

He said *some* people... not all people. The some to which he is referring to would be the ENEMY. Folks like the FARKING TALIBAN and AL QAEDA(however it is spelled this week).
 
2010-07-12 09:41:49 AM  
Also, it seems Subby has never heard of, and certainly never participated in smack talk.
 
2010-07-12 09:46:12 AM  
demanton: Shows that some farkers will love on the military if it fits into the pro-Obama rhetoric.

Does it make you proud, subby?


FTFY (BSAB)
 
2010-07-12 09:48:56 AM  
What is it with people who evangelize for their party only to undercut the ideas they hope to promote when they actually seem to win over the other side?
 
2010-07-12 09:57:24 AM  
Good 'ole Mattis. I was a Recon Marine, and I can think of no finer General in the USMC. They guy know what the infantry thinks.
 
2010-07-12 10:04:14 AM  
ArgusRun: There are two reasons I find the remarks troubling. One is that it shows he has a loose tongue. That he doesn't think about the impact of what he is saying. The language and emotion he is espousing here is okay for a grunt. For someone involved in the dirty business of war. One you reach his level, the job is more about politics and bureaucratic manipulation than shooting people. He should know better.

The second is that I think it shows he is actually out of touch with the troops who are doing the fighting and killing. The language might mirror what they use, but the reality of the emotional impact that active troops feel and deal with is far deeper if ptsd rates mean anything. He comes off as posing. "I was there. I know. I'm one of the guys." Maybe he was, but the emotional burdens we place on the soldiers today are different than in the past. Because of instant communication, deployed troops are burdened with both troubles at home and an active war zone that places far more engagement restrictions than at anytime in history.



I don't think you know much about Mattis beyond what the article provided. He's not only one of our best combat commanders, but he was part of the group that rewrote our counterinsurgency strategy, which emphasizes quality of life improvements and local engagement in order to locate and isolate insurgents. He hasn't had any demonstrable problem dealing and negotiating with local leaders or insurgent leaders (see Fallujah).
 
2010-07-12 10:17:34 AM  
s2s2s2: What is it with people who evangelize for their party only to undercut the ideas they hope to promote when they actually seem to win over the other side?

People have no sense of ideological focus, for some reason. They truly see things differently when it's not "their party." That's why some people decry White Racism, but not Black Racism. Some people decry Black Racism, but not White Racism. Shouldn't we all just be decrying ALL racism?

That line of thought applies to nearly every topic. Spending, liberties, etc. On top of all of that, life is a grey area, and ideologies have to be flexible. It's hard for people to say "I'm against Deficit Spending, for EITHER party, except when it's actually necessary to serve a larger purpose."

Too many qualifiers, makes their brains hurt.
 
2010-07-12 10:36:17 AM  
Cuchulane: Politics aside, he sounds like a sociopath.

Psychopath is more apt, as in psychopathic serial killer.
 
2010-07-12 10:45:09 AM  
jules_siegel: Cuchulane: Politics aside, he sounds like a sociopath.

Psychopath is more apt, as in psychopathic serial killer.


It's perfectly okay for every ten year old in America to get a boner for headshots on the PSP, and it's good for all of us to fervently enjoy pretending to kill thousands of pretend-people playing ultraviolent war-games with no realistic consequences. . . but trained soldiers who admit to enjoying their jobs are psychopaths?

"What a country!"
--Y. Smirnov
 
2010-07-12 10:46:52 AM  
LasersHurt: Too many qualifiers, makes their brains hurt.

I imagine something like this scenario (replace Christianist with a typical Democrat, for instance):
Christianist: You may only be saved by accepting Jesus as your lord and saviour!
Guy in front of a bar: "You make a great case, I now believe."
Christianist: That's not what you said 20 minutes ago, you damned dirty sinner!!
 
2010-07-12 10:50:03 AM  
jules_siegel: Psychopath is more apt, as in psychopathic serial killer.

merrily we troll along, troll along, troll along
 
2010-07-12 10:52:14 AM  
buckler: Salt Lick Steady: buckler: Salt Lick Steady: He basically said it's fun to kill them because they're so spineless and nutless that they've spent centuries feeling grand by slapping women around, holding hands in public, and thinking that only the taker is gay.

I would like to kill them too.

I like him.

Don't forget...they've also defeated every occupying force since Alexander the Great.

Flower power!

Gotdamn hippies.

Sorry. That's a matter of fact, not ideology.


Stop introducing your facts into our war masterbation fest.
 
2010-07-12 10:52:57 AM  
s2s2s2: LasersHurt: Too many qualifiers, makes their brains hurt.

I imagine something like this scenario (replace Christianist with a typical Democrat, for instance):
Christianist: You may only be saved by accepting Jesus as your lord and saviour!
Guy in front of a bar: "You make a great case, I now believe."
Christianist: That's not what you said 20 minutes ago, you damned dirty sinner!!


LOL

How about this one:

Guy 1: Complaint about people feeling differently about issues depending on whether it's one's own party or not
Guy 2: Comments on how partisan thinking lead people to not support issues based on issues, or the complex circumstances around them, but simply along party lines.
Guy 1: LOL Yeah that other party sure is guilty of some flaw that I'm just CERTAIN my own party has never committed

(hint: you're one of the guys)
 
2010-07-12 11:00:25 AM  
LasersHurt: LOL

How about this one:


I hope you are taking in consideration two things from my carefully written scenario "for instance"
and "Christianist" The guy that I originally responded too was coming from the standpoint or the democrat, as I presented, but I flipped it along ideological lines to show that both sides do it. Was that lost on you?

(Hint, you have no idea what type of guy I am)

/Poe
 
2010-07-12 11:01:37 AM  
s2s2s2: I hope you are taking in consideration two things from my carefully written scenario "for instance"
and "Christianist". The guy that I originally responded too was coming from the standpoint of the democrat, as I presented, but I flipped it along ideological lines to show that both sides do it. Was that lost on you?

(Hint, you have no idea what type of guy I am)

/Poe


FTFM
 
2010-07-12 11:07:43 AM  
mediablitz: Wait. Right wingers now think this is bad?

Wait, left winger now think this is good? Since when?

Oh, Jan 2009.
 
2010-07-12 11:11:28 AM  
s2s2s2: LasersHurt: LOL

How about this one:

I hope you are taking in consideration two things from my carefully written scenario "for instance"
and "Christianist" The guy that I originally responded too was coming from the standpoint or the democrat, as I presented, but I flipped it along ideological lines to show that both sides do it. Was that lost on you?

(Hint, you have no idea what type of guy I am)

/Poe


Wow, uh, yeah, totally missed that. Actually, still miss it - but, you know, that could be because I can only read English. Your grammatical structure is confusing the shiat out of me, and I guess I got a false signal from you simply saying, "Democrats are like this," in essence. It was probably clear to YOU that you meant to provide that as a comparison to Republicans, but your post just didn't indicate that.

/Communications Breakdown
 
2010-07-12 11:23:45 AM  
ko_kyi: jules_siegel: Psychopath is more apt, as in psychopathic serial killer.

merrily we troll along, troll along, troll along


Seriously? The guy says he takes pleasure from killing people and you think it's ridiculous to even contemplate labelling him a psychopath? I'd like to hear how your definition of the word disqualifies him.
 
2010-07-12 11:25:37 AM  
naveline: It's perfectly okay for every ten year old in America to get a boner for headshots on the PSP, and it's good for all of us to fervently enjoy pretending to kill thousands of pretend-people playing ultraviolent war-games with no realistic consequences. . . but trained soldiers who admit to enjoying their jobs are psychopaths?

It's ok to enjoy, but only a psychopath would admit it.

More seriously, most soldiers don't enjoy killing. In a later disputed study military historian S. L. A Marshall claimed that 75% of all combat soldiers never fire their weapons in battle because of qualms about killing.

This is a highly politicized topic that would require a lengthy critical discussion of the available research. In the course of writing a San Francisco Chronicle book review on the issue I read at least four books about why men kill. I was struck by the regret and disgust frequently expressed by soldiers, which to be fair was sometimes about the pleasure they did feel.

Children know that the games are not reality. I'm confident that as grown-ups in combat they will appreciate the difference.
 
2010-07-12 11:26:27 AM  
LasersHurt: Wow, uh, yeah, totally missed that. Actually, still miss it - but, you know, that could be because I can only read English. Your grammatical structure is confusing the shiat out of me

It wouldn't have been so hard to understand in person. But I suck at word math. I was presenting the christianist (means zealot that has no idea what the bible is about) as a way to represent a typical conservative. I just wanted to take it halfway out of politics since I was presenting a hypothetical.
I know Republicans do this(as well as do Christianists). I learned about both from the inside. Republicans were able to convince me that the DNC is wrong. They just never could convince me the RNC could be right.
 
2010-07-12 11:34:05 AM  
s2s2s2: LasersHurt: Wow, uh, yeah, totally missed that. Actually, still miss it - but, you know, that could be because I can only read English. Your grammatical structure is confusing the shiat out of me

It wouldn't have been so hard to understand in person. But I suck at word math. I was presenting the christianist (means zealot that has no idea what the bible is about) as a way to represent a typical conservative. I just wanted to take it halfway out of politics since I was presenting a hypothetical.
I know Republicans do this(as well as do Christianists). I learned about both from the inside. Republicans were able to convince me that the DNC is wrong. They just never could convince me the RNC could be right.


Gotcha.
 
2010-07-12 11:41:30 AM  
LasersHurt: Gotcha.

Both sides are of one coin.

So Flip it and Vote, I guess.
 
2010-07-12 12:06:25 PM  
3_Butt_Cheeks: mediablitz: Wait. Right wingers now think this is bad?

Wait, left winger now think this is good? Since when?

Oh, Jan 2009.


Care to point to the massive "left-wing" movement against Mattis prior to Jan 2009. Perhaps you can quote some speech of Obama's about how he'd finally kick that bastard Mattis out of the military?
 
2010-07-12 12:20:54 PM  
We shouldn't shoot middle easterners.

We should do as dear leader does:

www.usnews.com
 
2010-07-12 12:21:21 PM  
Snot Monster from Outer Space: 3_Butt_Cheeks: mediablitz: Wait. Right wingers now think this is bad?

Wait, left winger now think this is good? Since when?

Oh, Jan 2009.

Care to point to the massive "left-wing" movement against Mattis prior to Jan 2009. Perhaps you can quote some speech of Obama's about how he'd finally kick that bastard Mattis out of the military?


I responded in kind to a weak hyperbolic boobjob earlier. And the point would have been not anti-Mathis, but against what he said and stands for, which would be the war, the enjoyment of killing the enemy, and expansion of the war. Face it, had he been suggested of appointed by a Republican, his quote would be front page news and full throttle wharrgarbl here.
 
2010-07-12 12:27:33 PM  
leetpriest: We shouldn't shoot middle easterners.

We should do as dear leader does:


Act respectfully towards foreign leaders?

Absolutely...

'Course, He could give them back rubs, too.

www.lipsticktracez.com
 
2010-07-12 12:28:54 PM  
leetpriest: We shouldn't shoot middle easterners.

We should do as dear leader does:


Yep, those are the choices. When you see someone of Middle-Eastern complexion either shoot them or bow to them as if they are royalty. Anything in between and the terrorists have already won.
 
2010-07-12 12:35:16 PM  
Well, who cares? Just because Obama appointed the man doesn't mean he's responsible for what comes out of his mouth.

Besides, if you're in the military, it's not because you're morally opposed to killing.
 
2010-07-12 12:38:03 PM  
keylock71: leetpriest: We shouldn't shoot middle easterners.

We should do as dear leader does:

Act respectfully towards foreign leaders?

Absolutely...

'Course, He could give them back rubs, too.


There's a stark difference between acting respectfully and acting submissive.

A stark difference that you refuse to understand.
 
2010-07-12 12:39:20 PM  
violetvolume: Well, who cares? Just because Obama appointed the man doesn't mean he's responsible for what comes out of his mouth.

Besides, if you're in the military, it's not because you're morally opposed to killing.


Just like Bush and Rove, huh?
 
2010-07-12 12:46:17 PM  
leetpriest: There's a stark difference between acting respectfully and acting submissive.

A stark difference that you refuse to understand.


www.needlenose.com
 
2010-07-12 12:51:32 PM  
mediablitz: Wait. Right wingers now think this is bad?

Since when? Oh yeah, Jan 20th 2009.


The hypocrisy and lack of decency on the Right know no bounds.
 
2010-07-12 12:54:33 PM  
Wow, we still have morons who believe Al Jazeera is a "terrorist Muslin propaganda!!1" organization? Keep farking that chicken.

Read this for a start. Then peruse through their website for some time.
 
2010-07-12 12:57:03 PM  
3_Butt_Cheeks: mediablitz: Wait. Right wingers now think this is bad?

Wait, left winger now think this is good? Since when?

Oh, Jan 2009.


Other than the "left" by and large supporting the war in Afghanistan since the beginning?
 
2010-07-12 01:06:13 PM  
leetpriest:

There's a stark difference between acting respectfully and acting submissive.

A stark difference that you refuse to understand.


I do? My goodness, you certainly claim to know much about me from a few lines of 12 pt serifed font.


From where I'm standing, it certainly looks like you and others seemed to be awfully upset about something as inconsequential as a bow to a foreign leader... Seems like a petty insecurity for a citizen of the supposedly most powerful nation in the world.

If it's not insecurity, then, well, I can only assume your panties are in wad because of your own partisan prejudices, which mean absolutely nothing to those who exist outside of your little echo-chamber.
 
2010-07-12 01:23:08 PM  
Halli: leetpriest: There's a stark difference between acting respectfully and acting submissive.

A stark difference that you refuse to understand.

www.needlenose.com
"Yes my young apprentice, experience the Power of the dark side"
 
2010-07-12 01:48:35 PM  
Hick: Good deal. That is what you do when you are in a war.

^^
And its old news.
 
2010-07-12 02:12:33 PM  
More seriously, most soldiers don't enjoy killing. In a later disputed study military historian S. L. A Marshall claimed that 75% of all combat soldiers never fire their weapons in battle because of qualms about killing.

This is a highly politicized topic that would require a lengthy critical discussion of the available research. In the course of writing a San Francisco Chronicle book review on the issue I read at least four books about why men kill. I was struck by the regret and disgust frequently expressed by soldiers, which to be fair was sometimes about the pleasure they did feel.


There's an old soldiers maxim that goes something like this: In any unit, 80% of the men (or women) are scared shiatless, but will do their job or at least attempt to do their job. (It's very easy to shoot too high while stressed out without even knowing it, which is why I train greenhorns to shoot at the belly button.)
10% are straight out cowards. But that last 10% love the job, love the action, and love the killing when it's just.

There's nothing wrong with those 10%, they just possess a little bit more of the primal animal part of mankind than the rest do. Every once in a while one of them is a sociopath, and they're the most dangerous (to both friendly and enemy) of the whole bunch.

General Mattis is one of the last 10%, which is why he is loved.
 
2010-07-12 02:39:58 PM  
Freakman: There's an old soldiers maxim that goes something like this: In any unit, 80% of the men (or women) are scared shiatless, but will do their job or at least attempt to do their job. (It's very easy to shoot too high while stressed out without even knowing it, which is why I train greenhorns to shoot at the belly button.)
10% are straight out cowards. But that last 10% love the job, love the action, and love the killing when it's just.

There's nothing wrong with those 10%, they just possess a little bit more of the primal animal part of mankind than the rest do. Every once in a while one of them is a sociopath, and they're the most dangerous (to both friendly and enemy) of the whole bunch.

General Mattis is one of the last 10%, which is why he is loved.


The origin of that information is Lt. Col. Dave Grossman's research in "On Killing".
www.lwcbooks.com
 
2010-07-12 02:57:46 PM  
dillengest: Seriously? The guy says he takes pleasure from killing people and you think it's ridiculous to even contemplate labelling him a psychopath? I'd like to hear how your definition of the word disqualifies him.

It's a "Rah-Rah, we're so badass!" speech meant to amp up 18 year olds heading into what might be their first combat. It wasn't meant for public consumption.

It is plenty distasteful to the delicate sensibiilities of those of us in an office sipping latte, but it is hardly unusual or scandal-worthy.
 
2010-07-12 03:08:14 PM  
ko_kyi: dillengest: Seriously? The guy says he takes pleasure from killing people and you think it's ridiculous to even contemplate labelling him a psychopath? I'd like to hear how your definition of the word disqualifies him.

It's a "Rah-Rah, we're so badass!" speech meant to amp up 18 year olds heading into what might be their first combat. It wasn't meant for public consumption.

It is plenty distasteful to the delicate sensibiilities of those of us in an office sipping latte, but it is hardly unusual or scandal-worthy.


Oh, I agree. Looking at the whole quote and the context it sounds like hyperbolic posturing and probably doesn't fully reflect his actual beliefs. I was just questioning the accusation of trolling for people who look at what he said and think "psychopath." It's not really a stretch.
 
2010-07-12 03:19:20 PM  
It amuses me to watch all the pearl-clutching dorks scream about the fact that we trained millitary guys to shoot their millitary guys.

"I thought they hugged on the field!"
 
2010-07-12 03:51:04 PM  
The origin of that information is Lt. Col. Dave Grossman's research in "On Killing".

That's where I got that. Maybe it's not so old. I read that book a couple years ago.

It's a "Rah-Rah, we're so badass!" speech meant to amp up 18 year olds heading into what might be their first combat. It wasn't meant for public consumption.

Exactly. It's also a little bit of a preemptive strike against PTSD. Many commanders try to make sure that their troops feel as little guilt as possible by "sanctioning" the death. I know of at least one commander who flat out told his Marines that any death they caused were on his soul, not theirs, and that he would answer for all of them upon his own death.

Very effective when dealing with right-wing, heavily-armed religious nutjobs like U.S. Marines.
 
2010-07-12 04:27:43 PM  
Freakman: Very effective when dealing with right-wing, heavily-armed religious nutjobs like U.S. Marines.

For the record, all of our MEU's snipers were atheists except one. And they were all really good and really really liked killing, "godless killing machines" in a literal sense. It's safe to say that they were well within Grossman's 10%.

//And young, the youngest was 19, the oldest was 23. All but the 19 year old had been to Iraq at least twice.
 
2010-07-12 05:00:53 PM  
3_Butt_Cheeks: Snot Monster from Outer Space: 3_Butt_Cheeks: mediablitz: Wait. Right wingers now think this is bad?

Wait, left winger now think this is good? Since when?

Oh, Jan 2009.

Care to point to the massive "left-wing" movement against Mattis prior to Jan 2009. Perhaps you can quote some speech of Obama's about how he'd finally kick that bastard Mattis out of the military?

I responded in kind to a weak hyperbolic boobjob earlier. And the point would have been not anti-Mathis, but against what he said and stands for, which would be the war, the enjoyment of killing the enemy, and expansion of the war. Face it, had he been suggested of appointed by a Republican, his quote would be front page news and full throttle wharrgarbl here.


From Wikipedia:

On 11 September 2007, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates announced that President George W. Bush had nominated Mattis for appointment to the rank of general to command U.S. Joint Forces Command in Norfolk, Virginia. NATO agreed to appoint Mattis as Supreme Allied Commander Transformation. On 28 September 2007, the United States Senate confirmed Mattis's nomination, and he relinqished command of I MEF on 5 November 2007 to LtGen Samuel Helland. Mattis was promoted to four-star general and took control of JFCOM/SACT on 9 November 2007. He transferred the job of SACT to French General Stéphane Abrial on 9 September 2009, but continued in command of JFCOM.

Again...care to point to the massive left-wing protests that broke out at this time?
 
2010-07-12 05:04:22 PM  
"This is just a farking sideshow; you have seven-thousand Marine riflemen who have been ready to go for the past twenty-four hours, and you're staying here with your foot in your d*ck. No, check that! Not your d*ck; my d*ck! "
 
2010-07-12 05:48:54 PM  
Hideously Gigantic Smurf: kevn357: Still think this guy is a liberal worth defending, Democrats?

Still think this guy is a seekrit mooslimb, kev?


I wish he'd just get around to putting his antlers back on and pull the flying squirrel out of his butt. It's not a secret anymore.
 
2010-07-12 09:49:20 PM  
Gen Mattis is an amazing leader and warfighter. He is also an expert in counterinsurgency and was one of the top choices for Commandant of the Corps and to take the lead in Afghanistan. He is a no bullshiat kind of guy who is great at his job. That is why we (Marines) love him. He has already proven himself to be a great leader, tactician, and Marine. For those that don't know too much about the current military brass, I wouldn't be too worried about him taking over Centcom.
 
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