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(YouTube)   James Mattis, the man who has been appointed by Obama to head Central Command, told a crowd in San Diego that it was "fun to shoot some people" and said Afghans deserve to die. Heckuva job there Hopey   (youtube.com) divider line 174
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2010-07-11 07:56:42 PM  
...five years ago.

Oh, and goddamnyousomuch subby for making me click on an Al Jazeera report.
 
2010-07-11 08:29:03 PM  
why do you hate america, binladenmitter? do you despise the american military so much that you rub one out every time a soldier dies? you need to shave that beard, remove that turban, and realize that this is the united states of america - and we don't cotton to traitorous douchebags here.

i25.tinypic.com
 
2010-07-11 08:33:34 PM  
The last person you want to hire is a guy who likes his job and is good at it...
 
2010-07-11 09:06:48 PM  
Good deal. That is what you do when you are in a war.
 
2010-07-11 09:16:13 PM  
Wait. Right wingers now think this is bad?

Since when? Oh yeah, Jan 20th 2009.
 
2010-07-11 09:42:01 PM  
Politics aside, he sounds like a sociopath.
 
2010-07-11 10:08:02 PM  
Cuchulane: Politics aside, he sounds like a sociopath.

i18.tinypic.com
 
2010-07-11 10:14:25 PM  
Cuchulane: Politics aside, he sounds like a sociopath.

It's a job requirement. You're responsible for planning the mass killings of tens of thousands of people, including so called "innocents".
 
2010-07-11 10:15:57 PM  
Just my opinion, but this guy will not help us in our "wars". Messages like that spread like wildfire throughout Afghanistan.
 
2010-07-11 10:17:33 PM  
Still think this guy is a liberal worth defending, Democrats?
 
2010-07-11 10:17:52 PM  
Shows that some farkers will hate on the military if it fits into the anti-Obama rhetoric.

Does it make you proud, subby?
 
2010-07-11 10:19:32 PM  
By "this guy", I'm not referring to Mattis.
 
2010-07-11 10:21:08 PM  
Give him another Nobel Prize!

Also, derp.
 
2010-07-11 10:21:14 PM  
kevn357: Still think this guy is a liberal worth defending, Democrats?

Eat Sh*t, Kev. Generals aren't liberals or conservatives. Nobody is lobbying for him in regard to his political leanings you twit.
 
2010-07-11 10:21:23 PM  
The military is trained, equipped, and given tasks that have the element of bringing expansive violence and deadly force upon a defined enemy.

They are not lugging super lovey feather ticklers and cuddle machines. They are trained to be proficient with weapons are purpose built to cause harm, destruction, and chaos.

And we determined, long ago, to keep them at arms length from politics, and vice versa.
 
2010-07-11 10:22:15 PM  
So Obama appointed a Republican?

And the problem is...?
 
2010-07-11 10:22:36 PM  
kevn357: Still think this guy is a liberal worth defending, Democrats?

How do you know this guy is a liberal?
And why are you equating liberal and Democrat?
 
2010-07-11 10:23:13 PM  
Am I supposed to be outraged? I'm trying and nothing is happening.

Wake me up when we begin our withdrawal.
 
2010-07-11 10:23:16 PM  
The correct answer is...: ...five years ago.

Oh, and goddamnyousomuch subby for making me click on an Al Jazeera report.


I'd like to know the context of what he said but do you really think a person would change their mind on whether or not it's fun to shoot people just because 5 years have gone by?
 
2010-07-11 10:25:01 PM  
kevn357: By "this guy", I'm not referring to Mattis.

If you meant Obama, he's not a liberal in the sense of being left of the political centre. However, he is alot better than McCain or Palin would be.
I won't defend him when he's wrong.
 
2010-07-11 10:26:31 PM  
demanton: kevn357: Still think this guy is a liberal worth defending, Democrats?

Eat Sh*t, Kev. Generals aren't liberals or conservatives. Nobody is lobbying for him in regard to his political leanings you twit.


Learn how to read dipshiat. I said I was talking about Obama. Mattis is a stupid choice for what he said in the past.
 
2010-07-11 10:26:43 PM  
kevn357: Still think this guy is a liberal worth defending, Democrats?

He's a fighter who likes fighting and his job is fighting. So yeah, I guess. He wasn't being PC but Republicans hate that so its a compromise for them.
 
2010-07-11 10:26:59 PM  
Churchy LaFemme: So Obama appointed a Republican?

And the problem is...?


The problem is that Obama did something, which reminds Republicans that he even holds office. Which causes them to spaz the fark out.
 
2010-07-11 10:30:28 PM  
Proving once again that our military is nothing more than a self-directed killing machine made up of murderous thugs who would otherwise be slaughtering people stateside. I am starting to look at our non-stop aggression abroad as a 'release valve' to send the most dangerous in our society elsewhere in the world rather than letting them disrupt society here at home.
 
2010-07-11 10:30:56 PM  
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Eddie: They're armed.
Soap: What was that? Armed? What do you mean armed? Armed with what?
Eddie: Err, bad breath, colorful language, feather duster... what do you think they're gonna be armed with? Guns, you tit!
 
2010-07-11 10:31:25 PM  
Dr. Mojo PhD: Churchy LaFemme: So Obama appointed a Republican?

And the problem is...?

The problem is that Obama did something, which reminds Republicans that he even holds office. Which causes them to spaz the fark out.


Ouch. That was painfully succinct.
 
2010-07-11 10:31:57 PM  
I'm as liberal as they come, and this bothers me. Not because I think he is a sociopath. Or because I think he likes killing people or is trivializing the wars.

There are two reasons I find the remarks troubling. One is that it shows he has a loose tongue. That he doesn't think about the impact of what he is saying. The language and emotion he is espousing here is okay for a grunt. For someone involved in the dirty business of war. One you reach his level, the job is more about politics and bureaucratic manipulation than shooting people. He should know better.

The second is that I think it shows he is actually out of touch with the troops who are doing the fighting and killing. The language might mirror what they use, but the reality of the emotional impact that active troops feel and deal with is far deeper if ptsd rates mean anything. He comes off as posing. "I was there. I know. I'm one of the guys." Maybe he was, but the emotional burdens we place on the soldiers today are different than in the past. Because of instant communication, deployed troops are burdened with both troubles at home and an active war zone that places far more engagement restrictions than at anytime in history.
 
2010-07-11 10:32:00 PM  
ACallForPeace: kevn357: By "this guy", I'm not referring to Mattis.

If you meant Obama, he's not a liberal in the sense of being left of the political centre. However, he is alot better than McCain or Palin would be.
I won't defend him when he's wrong.


No, people defend him when he does stupid shiat like this only because they buy into the liberal vs conservative bs. If Bush appointed this guy there would be a completely different tone to this thread.
 
2010-07-11 10:32:45 PM  
dlime16: kevn357: Still think this guy is a liberal worth defending, Democrats?

He's a fighter who likes fighting and his job is fighting. So yeah, I guess. He wasn't being PC but Republicans hate that so its a compromise for them.


I like him :)
 
2010-07-11 10:34:17 PM  
Dr. Mojo PhD: Churchy LaFemme: So Obama appointed a Republican?

And the problem is...?

The problem is that Obama did something, which reminds Republicans that he even holds office. Which causes them to spaz the fark out.


Or maybe it's just a stupid idea?
 
2010-07-11 10:35:34 PM  
All that said, I find the idea that Republicans or Fark Independents would pursue this line of criticism amusing to no end. I thought military brass, and the killing of enemies was to be admired.
 
2010-07-11 10:36:42 PM  
kevn357: Dr. Mojo PhD: Churchy LaFemme: So Obama appointed a Republican?

And the problem is...?

The problem is that Obama did something, which reminds Republicans that he even holds office. Which causes them to spaz the fark out.

Or maybe it's just a stupid idea?


What's stupid about his appointment? He's done excellent work with counter insurgency tactics and that's what we need.
 
2010-07-11 10:38:40 PM  
General Patton said dirty words and pissed in the Rhine. It was a mistake to hire him.
 
2010-07-11 10:39:29 PM  
kevn357: No, people defend him when he does stupid shiat like this only because they buy into the liberal vs conservative bs. If Bush appointed this guy there would be a completely different tone to this thread.

Do you see how inherently illogical it is for Republicans in this thread acting with no consistency whatsoever accusing Democrats of same in a hypothetical universe?

fark that and fark you.
 
2010-07-11 10:40:12 PM  
kevn357: Still think this guy is a liberal worth defending, Democrats?

Still think this guy is a seekrit mooslimb, kev?
 
2010-07-11 10:43:22 PM  
dlime16: kevn357: Dr. Mojo PhD: Churchy LaFemme: So Obama appointed a Republican?

And the problem is...?

The problem is that Obama did something, which reminds Republicans that he even holds office. Which causes them to spaz the fark out.

Or maybe it's just a stupid idea?

What's stupid about his appointment? He's done excellent work with counter insurgency tactics and that's what we need.


Did you not watch the video? This is the kind of shiat that fuels Taliban recruitment. This is pretty simple stuff. Is the goal to not win and drag this disaster out for 10 more years? If so, this a genius move.
 
2010-07-11 10:46:11 PM  
dillengest: I'd like to know the context of what he said but do you really think a person would change their mind on whether or not it's fun to shoot people just because 5 years have gone by?

How many combat veterans have you talked to?

/lots of people change their mind about how 'fun' it is after only 4 years
 
2010-07-11 10:48:33 PM  
Subby, would you be happier if the guy had said that "Violence is icky, and it's wrong of us to kill Afghanis just because 3000 people were killed in an attack planned from inside their country."

Really? Is that what you want?

Or are you just taking pot shots for the sake of being a partisan douchebag?

/not clicking the link
//fark al jazeera
 
2010-07-11 10:50:21 PM  
kevn357: Did you not watch the video? This is the kind of shiat that fuels Taliban recruitment. This is pretty simple stuff. Is the goal to not win and drag this disaster out for 10 more years? If so, this a genius move.

Why do I get the impression that this complaint is just political payback because everyone criticized Bush about "Bring it on"?
 
2010-07-11 10:51:05 PM  
wolvernova: Just my opinion, but this guy will not help us in our "wars". Messages like that spread like wildfire throughout Afghanistan.

No they don't. A lot of Afghans speak to us in Russian over there because they still think the Soviets are trying to take their country.
 
2010-07-11 10:51:41 PM  
kevn357: This is the kind of shiat that fuels Taliban recruitment.

Whatever you thought you were typing there Kev, this is what I read:
"Outlaw freedom of speech before some terrorists hear something that might offend them! Then hold me...I'm scared!"

/I wish you and the rest of the frightened idiots would go cower and blamestorm somewhere else...but I guess that's too much to ask.
 
2010-07-11 10:56:08 PM  
kevn357: dlime16: kevn357: Dr. Mojo PhD: Churchy LaFemme: So Obama appointed a Republican?

And the problem is...?

The problem is that Obama did something, which reminds Republicans that he even holds office. Which causes them to spaz the fark out.

Or maybe it's just a stupid idea?

What's stupid about his appointment? He's done excellent work with counter insurgency tactics and that's what we need.

Did you not watch the video? This is the kind of shiat that fuels Taliban recruitment. This is pretty simple stuff. Is the goal to not win and drag this disaster out for 10 more years? If so, this a genius move.


I took a second to look up the full quote "You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them. Actually it's quite fun to fight them, you know. It's a hell of a hoot. It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right up there with you. I like brawling.". If I were you I'd also check out Link (new window)

He's a warrior and he comes off as fine. He's done a good deal of work with counter insurgency tactics and the Marines and knows his shiat. And if we want to go off of stuff he has said he is the same guy who has given his Marine's the order to "Do no harm.". He's had soldiers clear out paths for Iraq funeral processions and actually take their helmets off as the funeral passed in respect.
 
2010-07-11 11:02:35 PM  
Brainsick: dillengest: I'd like to know the context of what he said but do you really think a person would change their mind on whether or not it's fun to shoot people just because 5 years have gone by?

How many combat veterans have you talked to?

/lots of people change their mind about how 'fun' it is after only 4 years


I'm assuming he already had several years of combat under his belt when he made the original comment.
 
2010-07-11 11:03:26 PM  
A more comprehensive, and in context, list of quotes from Gen. Mattis (new window).

I remember when this one started making the rounds...

"Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet."

Never heard this one until recently, but it's my favorite...

"I come in peace. I didn't bring artillery. But I'm pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you f#ck with me, I'll kill you all."

And this in the man we should dig out of the ground and clone to play Mattis in the eventual Golan-Globus production of OIF: The Movie...

www.movieactors.com
 
2010-07-11 11:06:55 PM  
If shooting jihadis is wrong, I don't wanna' be right.

/and it does sound like fun
 
2010-07-11 11:10:02 PM  
http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Best_selling_first-person_shooters

Best selling first-person shooters that have sold 5 million units or more.

Sales data from List of best-selling video games (Wikipedia)
modern warfare 2(14.7 million)
Halo Wars (8.1 million)
Halo 2 (8 million)
GoldenEye 007 (8 million)
Metal Gear Solid (7 million)
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty (7 million)
Half-Life 2 (6.5 million)
Halo: Combat Evolved (5 million)
Pain is Good (4.5 million)
Chou Aniki (3 million)

Well I'll be a monkey's uncle... apparently it IS fun to shoot some people.
 
2010-07-11 11:11:12 PM  
So republicans, did you have any problem with this guy at any point in the last 5 years that he said that? Especially since he was nominated by Bush a couple times. Where was you outrage then?
 
2010-07-11 11:11:57 PM  
mediablitz: Wait. Right wingers now think this is bad?

Since when? Oh yeah, Jan 20th 2009.


The headline is so hack I almost suspect a false flag.

If it is a r'ight w'inger: shut up idiot.
 
2010-07-11 11:13:42 PM  
Kumana Wanalaia: Subby, would you be happier if the guy had said that "Violence is icky, and it's wrong of us to kill Afghanis just because 3000 people were killed in an attack planned from inside their country."

Please compare- Our greatest, toughest generals. Our greatest defenders:

"I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity."
Dwight D. Eisenhower

"Although a soldier by profession, I have never felt any sort of fondness for war, and I have never advocated it, except as a means of peace."
Ulysses S. Grant

"My first wish is to see this plague of mankind, war, banished from the earth."
George Washington

Comparatively:

"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them. Actually, it's a lot of fun to fight. You know, it's a hell of a hoot. It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right upfront with you, I like brawling."
James Mattis
 
2010-07-11 11:17:35 PM  
dillengest: Brainsick: dillengest: I'd like to know the context of what he said but do you really think a person would change their mind on whether or not it's fun to shoot people just because 5 years have gone by?

How many combat veterans have you talked to?

/lots of people change their mind about how 'fun' it is after only 4 years

I'm assuming he already had several years of combat under his belt when he made the original comment.


I'm just saying, not EVERYBODY who kills people for the military likes it. A lot of them do, but NOT everybody. Having read the quote in context (no video, at work), it looks like this guy enjoys his job but I still wouldn't say that he's a 'sociopath' or somehow dangerous to anyone who isn't a ball-licking, wife beating, child killer.

/Some b*tches just need killin' -Abby Normal
 
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