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(Some Guy)   Apparently you can no longer use the "I got so drunk at the casino I'm not responsible for my actions" defense to get out of paying $75,000 in gambling debts   (fox41.com) divider line 41
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2010-07-09 05:09:51 PM
The old owner of the Phila. Eagles, Leonard Tose tried that and failed years ago.
 
2010-07-09 05:10:17 PM
As it should be
 
2010-07-09 05:10:36 PM
Bullshiat! Everyone knows casinos serve weak drinks.
 
2010-07-09 05:10:37 PM
wish i could say this was a repeat... didn't some ugly asian lose millions?

he was a toy manufacturer tycoon or something

/i have mind like a sieve
 
2010-07-09 05:11:14 PM
He believes Caesars should have recognized his impairment and stopped him from issuing additional markers or they should have prohibited him from continuing to gamble.



What's next? A law that requires bartenders to cut off drunks?
 
2010-07-09 05:12:20 PM
You never could use that defense. FTA: "No court of record has ever recognized a cause of action rooted in a casino's duty to protect a patron from losses at gambling tables," the finding states. "Rather, every court that has addressed this issue has concluded that no such duty exists. Many gamblers have sued casinos alleging their losses were caused by intoxication or compulsion. No court has ever granted relief."
 
2010-07-09 05:13:26 PM
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Time for the collection agency to get involved.
 
2010-07-09 05:13:49 PM
If i were the casino i would like to think that perhaps this might not be the end of the world in the (extremely unlikely) event that this dude wins his case... then they could just start breathalyzing winners and claiming "you were too drunk to win!"

fair is fair. it's never the winning drunken idiots biatching that they never would have gambled that much sober.
 
2010-07-09 05:14:46 PM
Pathman: wish i could say this was a repeat... didn't some ugly asian lose millions?

he was a toy manufacturer tycoon or something

/i have mind like a sieve


Terrence Watanabe. (new window)
 
2010-07-09 05:15:45 PM
You never could use that defense. FTA: "No court of record has ever recognized a cause of action rooted in a casino's duty to protect a patron from losses at gambling tables," the finding states. "Rather, every court that has addressed this issue has concluded that no such duty exists. Many gamblers have sued casinos alleging their losses were caused by intoxication or compulsion. No court has ever granted relief."

Intoxication is a defense - gambling is just a series of contracts. However, to succeed you would have to show that you were significantly intoxicated and the other party knew it.
 
2010-07-09 05:16:02 PM
Pathman: it's never the winning drunken idiots biatching that they never would have gambled that much sober.


I can't imagine why.

It's like the people who drive drunk, make it home safely, then refuse to notify either their insurance company or the police the next day...
 
2010-07-09 05:17:06 PM
pho75: You never could use that defense. FTA: "No court of record has ever recognized a cause of action rooted in a casino's duty to protect a patron from losses at gambling tables," the finding states. "Rather, every court that has addressed this issue has concluded that no such duty exists. Many gamblers have sued casinos alleging their losses were caused by intoxication or compulsion. No court has ever granted relief."

Intoxication is a defense - gambling is just a series of contracts. However, to succeed you would have to show that you were significantly intoxicated and the other party knew it.


Damn! I should have used that in my DUI trial.
 
2010-07-09 05:17:28 PM
Now you tell me!
 
2010-07-09 05:20:26 PM
I'm sure that if he massively won while intoxicated he'd have no problem with giving the money back.
 
2010-07-09 05:23:12 PM
That defense got me out of a vehicular manslaughter charge.
 
2010-07-09 05:24:23 PM
Never gamble any more than you are willing or able to lose.
Never take a credit/debit card to a casino.
 
2010-07-09 05:29:41 PM
spleef420: Never gamble any more than you are willing or able to lose.
Never take a credit/debit card to a casino.


Truer words were never spoken. Don't gamble if you can't afford to lose, and for fark's sake don't hit a 12 against a dealer's 6.
 
2010-07-09 05:30:50 PM
Casinos are big enough and powerful enough that they really can bend the laws in their favor.

* Is it legal to enter into a contract when you wasted? No. It isn't.
* Is gambling a form of legal agreement? Yes. It is.

Where else in the US can you get *free* alcohol served to you at a large, commercial establishment? No where. Outside the casino floor, drinks are insanely overpriced in Vegas.

Why do you think that is?

Because alcohol impairs reasoning and judgement. That's why. Woohoo!
 
2010-07-09 05:30:52 PM
Your honor I was so drunk when I signed my home mortgage that I cannot remember the terms of the loan, now I am bankrupt and I am losing my house, please forgive me.


My wife who is fifty years younger than me double dosed me on ocycontin and then had me sign away my fortune to her.


My brother who is taking care of our elderly father suddenly showed up with a last will and testament giving him everything.....


There are many situations in life where diminished capacity leads to financial loss.

The wierd part is that the legal consequences seem to depend on who did the diminishing, if it is the mob, and indian tribe, or a bank then its legal, if its a small person then it is illegal.
 
2010-07-09 05:31:20 PM
Manfred J. Hattan: Pathman: wish i could say this was a repeat... didn't some ugly asian lose millions?

he was a toy manufacturer tycoon or something

/i have mind like a sieve

Terrence Watanabe. (new window)


ah yes...thanks
*highfive*

af11.files.wordpress.com

poor bastard...
 
2010-07-09 05:31:22 PM
Pathman: If i were the casino i would like to think that perhaps this might not be the end of the world in the (extremely unlikely) event that this dude wins his case... then they could just start breathalyzing winners and claiming "you were too drunk to win!"

fair is fair. it's never the winning drunken idiots biatching that they never would have gambled that much sober.


This is exactly what I was thinking. I figure if the casino lost this round, the next intuitive step is to recover the winnings paid to every intoxicated gamlber.
 
2010-07-09 05:32:04 PM
pwhp_67: Pathman: it's never the winning drunken idiots biatching that they never would have gambled that much sober.


I can't imagine why.

It's like the people who drive drunk, make it home safely, then refuse to notify either their insurance company or the police the next day...


haha - yep
 
2010-07-09 05:36:43 PM
Coconice: Pathman: If i were the casino i would like to think that perhaps this might not be the end of the world in the (extremely unlikely) event that this dude wins his case... then they could just start breathalyzing winners and claiming "you were too drunk to win!"

fair is fair. it's never the winning drunken idiots biatching that they never would have gambled that much sober.

This is exactly what I was thinking. I figure if the casino lost this round, the next intuitive step is to recover the winnings paid to every intoxicated gamlber.


At all levels of impairment casinos take in far more than they pay out. All of the games are setup in such a way that casinos, mathematically, can't lose. Gambling is such a sure-fire way to get money from people; we've made it illegal.

That is to say, illegal for us regular folk. Governments and rich people can still do it.

If they collected all the drunk winnings they paid out and had to pay back all the drunk losses; they'd lose a ton of money.
 
2010-07-09 05:41:12 PM
I did this once. I mean, I got drunk and lost many times but one time I was so hammered, a week into my divorce and brought a CC with a $20K limit. I took out $4K every 50 minutes 4 times (plus the $199 fee the casino charged for each withdrawal). Didn't even know until the next night some time when I finally woke up.

$17,000 lost in about 4 hours. It all came off the second mortgage anyway (and she got the house - and took over the second) so no loss for me - except for the thought that I could have had the most memorable weekend of hookers and blow in Vegas for $17K. Divorce is a hell of a drug.
 
2010-07-09 05:42:00 PM
www.derok.net
 
2010-07-09 05:45:00 PM
Your honor I was so drunk I was not responsible for my driving.
 
zez
2010-07-09 05:46:18 PM
I liked it better the first time when Albert Brooks did it. (new window)
 
2010-07-09 06:05:26 PM
Curse you, zez. I was scrolling through, looking for "Lost In America" jokes, and already composing my very own --

"He should've gone to the Desert Inn -- 'the Casino That Gives You Your Money Back.'"

"Hope it wasn't his Nest Egg."

etc.

-- and yours was the very last post on my page.
 
2010-07-09 06:21:43 PM
But this defense still works for motor vehicle accidents, right?
 
2010-07-09 06:37:25 PM
If you're wasted they shouldn't be giving you lines of credit. But the dealer doesn't have to check your sobriety every hand.
 
2010-07-09 06:53:20 PM
But you CAN just file for bankruptcy. Casino debt is technically a loan, and bankruptcy protects you when you default on a loan. The more you know...
 
2010-07-09 06:53:52 PM
As someone that us planning a 3 day trip to AC to play Poker, I'm getting a kick out of these replies...
 
2010-07-09 06:54:21 PM
pathman - what the hell happened to his nose/face??!?!?

/Albert Brooks surrenders
 
2010-07-09 07:07:01 PM
I don't gamble, but I don't think casinos should be advancing people money that they don't have for gambling.

There's a big difference between simply burning through all the money in your checking account being extended $75,000.
 
2010-07-09 07:24:05 PM
I went to a casino a few weekends back - not for the gambling, but because they were holding a barbeque contest in the parking lot. $5 for all the samples you could eat. Used one of the casino ATMs. It had two slips left on it from previous users - one, the person tried to take out money from his chequing account. He got the message that he had reached his daily withdrawal limit. The second was a credit card cash advance. Who the fark gambles with cash advance money?
/rhetorical question.
 
2010-07-09 08:11:00 PM
funny enough, the casinos can claim their machines "malfunctioned" when it comes to big payouts and complete get away with it.

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/article_a9a232dd-848f-5105-82f1-5fbe84c3aafb.htm l

http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-jackpot-032710,0,5048152.story

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video?id=2824445 (video)
 
2010-07-09 08:13:33 PM
Seven whiskies in over four hours? So drunk that you lose all reasoning?

I'm not a big drinker, but at parties, etc, one casino-style whiskey every 40 minutes I consider "coasting."
 
2010-07-09 08:14:12 PM
Well, there goes my weekend plans, subby. Thanks for the warning I guess...
 
2010-07-10 12:13:53 AM
Anyone else notice he owns a bingo parlor? Irony...
 
2010-07-10 11:11:43 PM
Oh, so, if you're drunk, you're ok to gamble, but if you're a drunk woman, and you have sex, but you regret it later, it's rape?
 
2010-07-12 11:22:08 AM
Risu no Kairu: Oh, so, if you're drunk, you're ok to gamble, but if you're a drunk woman, and you have sex, but you regret it later, it's rape?

Niiiice.
 
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