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2010-07-07 08:03:42 AM
ahhh... America the free
 
2010-07-07 08:18:16 AM
How is that 'wiretapping'? Does the moron that made these charges just have no idea what technology is, and heard 'recorded' and 'phone' and said 'Aha! Wiretapping!1'
 
2010-07-07 08:39:15 AM
Things are so much worse than they seem.
 
2010-07-07 09:04:49 AM
Barakku: How is that 'wiretapping'? Does the moron that made these charges just have no idea what technology is, and heard 'recorded' and 'phone' and said 'Aha! Wiretapping!1'

In MD anytime you record someone, even in public or on your private property (and especially if they are a cop) you can be charged with "wiretapping".

The first time they had laws about recording with only one parties knowledge it was fro wiretapping and the wording of the law allows it for anytype of recording, not just phone calls.
 
2010-07-07 09:51:37 AM
liam76: Barakku: How is that 'wiretapping'? Does the moron that made these charges just have no idea what technology is, and heard 'recorded' and 'phone' and said 'Aha! Wiretapping!1'

In MD anytime you record someone, even in public or on your private property (and especially if they are a cop) you can be charged with "wiretapping".

The first time they had laws about recording with only one parties knowledge it was fro wiretapping and the wording of the law allows it for anytype of recording, not just phone calls.


Perhaps it's time for people to sign complaints against the police for using their dash cams along with businesses, local, state and federal officials using security cams. Get this nonsense into federal court and get it over with once and for all.
 
2010-07-07 10:11:12 AM
Column on the Maryland law. Know the laws in your state and be careful.
 
2010-07-07 10:20:33 AM
However, the charge is likely to be dismissed and/or replaced with another charge, possibly disorderly conduct or obstructing government administration, said Sgt. Mike Schwartz.

These are 2 BS charges the pigs, aka the police, use when they can't think of a legitimate crime to charge you with. The last one is a new one that seems to be used more and more. They charged the Japanese guy who rushed up on the stage at the hot dog eating contest with it.
 
2010-07-07 10:22:45 AM
Sybarite: Column on the Maryland law. Know the laws in your state and be careful.

Or don't be a wuss and practice civil disobedience.
 
2010-07-07 10:33:48 AM
Maryland is such an odd place. Happy to call it home.
 
2010-07-07 10:49:03 AM
lajimi: Perhaps it's time for people to sign complaints against the police for using their dash cams along with businesses, local, state and federal officials using security cams. Get this nonsense into federal court and get it over with once and for all.

The video part is legal, only the audio breaks the law (in MD).

Sybarite: Column on the Maryland law. Know the laws in your state and be careful.

Thanks for the link that is news to me.
 
2010-07-07 10:57:32 AM
Cornelius Dribble: Sybarite: Column on the Maryland law. Know the laws in your state and be careful.

Or don't be a wuss and practice civil disobedience.



People who have the time and money to fight it and aren't particularly concerned about their criminal record are more than welcome to be martyrs for the cause. Just know what you're getting into.
 
2010-07-07 11:01:20 AM
lajimi: Get this nonsense into federal court and get it over with once and for all.

I'd be a little worried about that. I may be wrong but I think the SCOTUS has been very anti-civil liberties when it comes to the police recently.
 
2010-07-07 11:05:10 AM
 
2010-07-07 11:54:29 AM
ne2d: lajimi: Get this nonsense into federal court and get it over with once and for all.

I'd be a little worried about that. I may be wrong but I think the SCOTUS has been very anti-civil liberties when it comes to the police recently.


think about how creapy these laws are

as a reporter, you could no longer record anything with sound.
there is no way you could inform everyone that you are recording and no way that you could get consent from everyone.

this is just how the police have decided to deal with the rodney king problem.

/record us breaking the law? that's a crime now!!
/people just need to get better at using their camera phone. you dont need to hold it up to your face. you could hold it out to your side or at your hip. anything less obvious.
 
2010-07-07 12:08:08 PM
cretinbob: Maine requires one party consent to record a conversation anyway, so good luck with that assholes. (new window)

Does he have a signed consent form from himself before he took the recording? If not, how do we know he consented?

I'm pretty pro-cop for the most part, but I believe it should be legal and encouraged to tape them (video and audio) whenever someone wants / whenever someone thinks the cops are abusing their power.
 
2010-07-07 12:24:19 PM
Ryan2065: I'm pretty pro-cop for the most part, but I believe it should be legal and encouraged to tape them (video and audio) whenever someone wants / whenever someone thinks the cops are abusing their power.

go a step further
the video can also prove that the cops were NOT abusing their power.
how could the cops be against that?

of course, the same video can be used to disprove all the false charges. that is the cop's REAL problem with video evidence.

/still cant believe they didnt do jail time in rodney king. FFS
 
2010-07-07 12:27:17 PM
Barfmaker: Things are so much worse than they seem.

Don't happy; be worried...
 
2010-07-07 12:27:51 PM
Police confiscated two cell phones, one of them Whitman's, said Schwartz, adding that detectives are investigating where the minors got the alcohol.

Whitman, his brother Bradford Whitman, 22, and Joseph Grattan, 22, of 449 Broad St., Portsmouth


LOLWUT?
 
2010-07-07 12:28:08 PM
namatad: as a reporter, you could no longer record anything with sound.
there is no way you could inform everyone that you are recording and no way that you could get consent from everyone.

this is just how the police have decided to deal with the rodney king problem.


I believe in Rodney King the recording was from so far away that the officers could not be heard.
 
Xai
2010-07-07 12:28:48 PM
I'm sure all you Real Americans™ can explain how this sort of policing ensures freedom.

/And you really believe that you have greater freedom than anywhere else?
 
2010-07-07 12:29:31 PM
Remember kids

Submission is freedom
 
2010-07-07 12:29:33 PM
FTA: Also charged with unlawful possession of alcohol are Katelyn Hanson, 19, of 376 Middle Road, Portsmouth; Christopher Macdonald, 19, of 40 Captains Landing, Newington; Adam Studer, 19, of 26 Coakley Road, Portsmouth; Gallagher Hogan, 19, of 10 Coakley Road, Portsmouth; Maxwell Agrodnia, 19, of 11 September Drive, Greenland; Keith Peyser, 19, of 43 Gosport Road, Portsmouth; Nicholas Fudge, 20, of 115 Sagamore Road, Rye; Samuel Curren, 20, of 115 Sagamore Road, Rye; John Merighan, 20, of 219 Washington St., Dover; Carl A. Smith, 19, of 246 Washington Road, Rye; Carolyn Vorce, 19, of 91 Beach Hill Road, New Castle; Shoshanna Harmon, 17, of 410 Sagamore Road, Rye; and Tyler J. Melanson, 19, of 37 Post Road in Greenland.

You telling me all these kids couldn't get away? Everybody scatter!
 
2010-07-07 12:30:19 PM
I love how they can call the 18 year old kid a MAN, but they call the MAN who got killed at the bart station a BOY when he was in his 20's..

got i hate news stations... anything to make the story seem more dramatic
 
2010-07-07 12:31:32 PM
Whitman, his brother Bradford Whitman, 22, and Joseph Grattan, 22, of 449 Broad St., Portsmouth, were charged with disorderly conduct for allegedly "riling up the crowd," said Schwartz.

"They were keeping us from doing our job, which is really to keep (them) safe," he said.

Three others charged were intoxicated passengers in an SUV that crashed into Putnam's Ski and Snowboard shop about a year ago. Walter Dunfey, 18, of 146 Clark Road, Rye; Matthew Berube, 19, of 41 Liberty Common, Rye; and Corey Langmaid, 19, of 12 Sanderson Road, Greenland were again charged with unlawful possession of alcohol at the July 4 party.

...

Benjamin Middleton, a 19-year-old police said lives at 78 Lawrence St., was charged with a misdemeanor count of facilitating an underage house party and a violation-level count of unlawful possession of alcohol.

Also charged with unlawful possession of alcohol are Katelyn Hanson, 19, of 376 Middle Road, Portsmouth; Christopher Macdonald, 19, of 40 Captains Landing, Newington; Adam Studer, 19, of 26 Coakley Road, Portsmouth; Gallagher Hogan, 19, of 10 Coakley Road, Portsmouth; Maxwell Agrodnia, 19, of 11 September Drive, Greenland; Keith Peyser, 19, of 43 Gosport Road, Portsmouth; Nicholas Fudge, 20, of 115 Sagamore Road, Rye; Samuel Curren, 20, of 115 Sagamore Road, Rye; John Merighan, 20, of 219 Washington St., Dover; Carl A. Smith, 19, of 246 Washington Road, Rye; Carolyn Vorce, 19, of 91 Beach Hill Road, New Castle; Shoshanna Harmon, 17, of 410 Sagamore Road, Rye; and Tyler J. Melanson, 19, of 37 Post Road in Greenland.

Most excellent.
 
2010-07-07 12:33:36 PM
sounds like a sausage-fest
 
2010-07-07 12:33:36 PM
S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: ...and Tyler J. Melanson, 19, of 37 Post Road in Greenland.

You telling me all these kids couldn't get away? Everybody scatter!


To be fair, it's a long way back to Greenland.
 
2010-07-07 12:34:29 PM
Xai: I'm sure all you Real Americans™ can explain how this sort of policing ensures freedom.

/And you really believe that you have greater freedom than anywhere else?
Derp da-derp derp derp!??
 
2010-07-07 12:36:12 PM
Hey, anybody else get the feeling we're losing the fight against an encroaching police state?

Anybody?

Anybody equally disgusted that despite this, the US is still one of the "more" free countries in the world, for a little while anyway?

AmIalone?
 
2010-07-07 12:37:50 PM
Tape public officials while on duty. Not only does it exonerate the good ones, but it catches the dick-holes who abuse their power.
 
2010-07-07 12:37:57 PM
This is on more reason why I bought a condo in another country I've got one foot out the door.
 
2010-07-07 12:38:06 PM
I don't get it - video / audio recordings are an impartial witness (granted context is important). So why would those seeking to administer justice be against them? Seems like an obvious tool.

/rhetorical question
 
2010-07-07 12:38:20 PM
We do need a law saying that recording in a public place is not a crime.
 
2010-07-07 12:39:15 PM
Are these the freedoms our soldiers supposedly die for?

If so they threw their lives away for nothing.
 
2010-07-07 12:39:44 PM
error 303: Whitman, his brother Bradford Whitman, 22, and Joseph Grattan, 22, of 449 Broad St., Portsmouth, were charged with disorderly conduct for allegedly "riling up the crowd," said Schwartz.

"They were keeping us from doing our job, which is really to keep (them) safe," he said.

Three others charged were intoxicated passengers in an SUV that crashed into Putnam's Ski and Snowboard shop about a year ago. Walter Dunfey, 18, of 146 Clark Road, Rye; Matthew Berube, 19, of 41 Liberty Common, Rye; and Corey Langmaid, 19, of 12 Sanderson Road, Greenland were again charged with unlawful possession of alcohol at the July 4 party.

...

Benjamin Middleton, a 19-year-old police said lives at 78 Lawrence St., was charged with a misdemeanor count of facilitating an underage house party and a violation-level count of unlawful possession of alcohol.

Also charged with unlawful possession of alcohol are Katelyn Hanson, 19, of 376 Middle Road, Portsmouth; Christopher Macdonald, 19, of 40 Captains Landing, Newington; Adam Studer, 19, of 26 Coakley Road, Portsmouth; Gallagher Hogan, 19, of 10 Coakley Road, Portsmouth; Maxwell Agrodnia, 19, of 11 September Drive, Greenland; Keith Peyser, 19, of 43 Gosport Road, Portsmouth; Nicholas Fudge, 20, of 115 Sagamore Road, Rye; Samuel Curren, 20, of 115 Sagamore Road, Rye; John Merighan, 20, of 219 Washington St., Dover; Carl A. Smith, 19, of 246 Washington Road, Rye; Carolyn Vorce, 19, of 91 Beach Hill Road, New Castle; Shoshanna Harmon, 17, of 410 Sagamore Road, Rye; and Tyler J. Melanson, 19, of 37 Post Road in Greenland.
Most excellent.


Ha, Fudge
 
2010-07-07 12:39:52 PM
scarmig: Hey, anybody else get the feeling we're losingwe've lost the fight against an encroaching police state?

Anybody?


Fixed that for you.
 
2010-07-07 12:41:14 PM
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Can't we all just get along?
 
2010-07-07 12:42:57 PM
I am glad I live in PA. Say what you want, but we are one of the only states to contiually back citizens when they record police in public, with sound.

We had a big case here in Erie where some butthurt officer tried to get the DA to charge the citizen with "wiretapping". It went kind of like this:

Officer Stupid: "Let's charge him with wiretapping!"
DA: "We can't...and NO because you were in public...moran."
 
2010-07-07 12:43:23 PM
S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: FTA: Also charged with unlawful possession of alcohol are Katelyn Hanson, 19, of 376 Middle Road, Portsmouth; Christopher Macdonald, 19, of 40 Captains Landing, Newington; Adam Studer, 19, of 26 Coakley Road, Portsmouth; Gallagher Hogan, 19, of 10 Coakley Road, Portsmouth; Maxwell Agrodnia, 19, of 11 September Drive, Greenland; Keith Peyser, 19, of 43 Gosport Road, Portsmouth; Nicholas Fudge, 20, of 115 Sagamore Road, Rye; Samuel Curren, 20, of 115 Sagamore Road, Rye; John Merighan, 20, of 219 Washington St., Dover; Carl A. Smith, 19, of 246 Washington Road, Rye; Carolyn Vorce, 19, of 91 Beach Hill Road, New Castle; Shoshanna Harmon, 17, of 410 Sagamore Road, Rye; and Tyler J. Melanson, 19, of 37 Post Road in Greenland.

You telling me all these kids couldn't get away? Everybody scatter!


This.

When we were kids drinking and the police showed up we knew enough to scramble. At BEST each cop could grab ONE kid.

Seriously, these kids were either too wasted to run or too stupid to run.
 
2010-07-07 12:43:44 PM
"Safety was the primary concern of police. We go into it not thinking what we're going to charge them with, but how do we resolve this safely for the kid on the roof, the kid on the lawn and our officers." - Oh so that is why you took away the cell phones and charged one with wiretapping...it was all about their safety. I feel much better now about the whole thing.
 
2010-07-07 12:44:22 PM
Ah, my town makes the Fark main page again.

Stay classy, New Hampshire teens.

/and that's not wiretapping
 
2010-07-07 12:45:13 PM
Benjamin Middleton, a 19-year-old police said lives at 78 Lawrence St., was charged with a misdemeanor count of facilitating an underage house party and a violation-level count of unlawful possession of alcohol.

Also charged with unlawful possession of alcohol are Katelyn Hanson, 19, of 376 Middle Road, Portsmouth; Christopher Macdonald, 19, of 40 Captains Landing, Newington; Adam Studer, 19, of 26 Coakley Road, Portsmouth; Gallagher Hogan, 19, of 10 Coakley Road, Portsmouth; Maxwell Agrodnia, 19, of 11 September Drive, Greenland; Keith Peyser, 19, of 43 Gosport Road, Portsmouth; Nicholas Fudge, 20, of 115 Sagamore Road, Rye; Samuel Curren, 20, of 115 Sagamore Road, Rye; John Merighan, 20, of 219 Washington St., Dover; Carl A. Smith, 19, of 246 Washington Road, Rye; Carolyn Vorce, 19, of 91 Beach Hill Road, New Castle; Shoshanna Harmon, 17, of 410 Sagamore Road, Rye; and Tyler J. Melanson, 19, of 37 Post Road in Greenland.


Out of all those names, only 3 girls?

Sounds like a lame ass party.

or a gang bang
 
2010-07-07 12:45:32 PM
Xai: I'm sure all you Real Americans™ can explain how this sort of policing ensures freedom.

/And you really believe that you have greater freedom than anywhere else?


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2010-07-07 12:45:47 PM
S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: FTA: Also charged with unlawful possession of alcohol are Katelyn Hanson, 19, of 376 Middle Road, Portsmouth; Christopher Macdonald, 19, of 40 Captains Landing, Newington; Adam Studer, 19, of 26 Coakley Road, Portsmouth; Gallagher Hogan, 19, of 10 Coakley Road, Portsmouth; Maxwell Agrodnia, 19, of 11 September Drive, Greenland; Keith Peyser, 19, of 43 Gosport Road, Portsmouth; Nicholas Fudge, 20, of 115 Sagamore Road, Rye; Samuel Curren, 20, of 115 Sagamore Road, Rye; John Merighan, 20, of 219 Washington St., Dover; Carl A. Smith, 19, of 246 Washington Road, Rye; Carolyn Vorce, 19, of 91 Beach Hill Road, New Castle; Shoshanna Harmon, 17, of 410 Sagamore Road, Rye; and Tyler J. Melanson, 19, of 37 Post Road in Greenland.

You telling me all these kids couldn't get away? Everybody scatter!


No crap. I remember a party 'back in the day' where someone looked out the window and yelled 'Cops!' Everyone went out the back door. (not that back door) and into the woods/marsh. The only people that got caught were the owners kids and those that had vehicles there. (might as well go back if your vehicle is there).

/Fun times, fun times.
 
2010-07-07 12:47:04 PM
EleventyOne: This is on more reason why I bought a condo in another country I've got one foot out the door.

Which country? I've heard New Zealand is a good option.
 
2010-07-07 12:47:23 PM
"This police raid may be monitored or recorded for quality control. If you do not wish to be monitored or recorded please punch me in the face, arrest me and take my camera ... Thank you."

Hey it works for AT&T.
 
2010-07-07 12:47:50 PM
This law is supposed to protect the people. The way they're abusing it, it doesn't protect anything but the state.
 
2010-07-07 12:48:05 PM
S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: FTA: Also charged with unlawful possession of alcohol are Katelyn Hanson, 19, of 376 Middle Road, Portsmouth; Christopher Macdonald, 19, of 40 Captains Landing, Newington; Adam Studer, 19, of 26 Coakley Road, Portsmouth; Gallagher Hogan, 19, of 10 Coakley Road, Portsmouth; Maxwell Agrodnia, 19, of 11 September Drive, Greenland; Keith Peyser, 19, of 43 Gosport Road, Portsmouth; Nicholas Fudge, 20, of 115 Sagamore Road, Rye; Samuel Curren, 20, of 115 Sagamore Road, Rye; John Merighan, 20, of 219 Washington St., Dover; Carl A. Smith, 19, of 246 Washington Road, Rye; Carolyn Vorce, 19, of 91 Beach Hill Road, New Castle; Shoshanna Harmon, 17, of 410 Sagamore Road, Rye; and Tyler J. Melanson, 19, of 37 Post Road in Greenland.

You telling me all these kids couldn't get away? Everybody scatter!


Seems like it was one helluva party.
 
2010-07-07 12:48:08 PM
Each time I read one of these stories, I wonder if the police and prosecutors involved realize that eventually they may get people to stop trying to record them. Given the alternatives available I'd have to guess not.
 
2010-07-07 12:48:37 PM
If you had a sign in front of your house that said, "this house is under video and audio surveillance", would the police be unable to write you up for recording them?
 
2010-07-07 12:49:06 PM
Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Tape public officials while on duty. Not only does it exonerate the good ones, but it catches the dick-holes who abuse their power.

Somebody wasn't paying attention...
 
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