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2010-07-06 01:08:58 PM  
Madbassist1: vinzago: Madbassist1: Comparing Muslim terrorism with the IRA is faux logic. The IRA were ruthless and were some of the best trained terrorist EVAR but they didnt deliberately kill women and children, always gave advance notice of intent to strike and were a political movement, not a religious one. They didnt go around killing themselves to advance a myth,

Boy, you couldn't be more wrong. Google Omagh and Guildford and Bobby Sands just for starters...

Nope, I don't believe anything I have read disagrees with anything I've said.

Feel free to correct me, though.


Ok. In Guildford, the IRA bombed a pub frequented by British soldiers without giving any advance notice, killing 3 young men and 2 young women. In Omagh, they targeted a crowded marketplace filled with women and children, killing 29 civilians including 11 children. Bobby Sands starved himself to death in prison.
 
2010-07-06 01:09:12 PM  
Madbassist1: Comparing Muslim terrorism with the IRA is faux logic. The IRA were ruthless and were some of the best trained terrorist EVAR but they didnt deliberately kill women and children, always gave advance notice of intent to strike and were a political movement, not a religious one. They didnt go around killing themselves to advance a myth,

Lol Wut?
You're a farking idiot (and there really isn't much of a conversation to be had) if you think Islamic terrorism isn't about geopolitics and is instead about religion.
 
2010-07-06 01:09:28 PM  
Tatsuma: The fact that we are all monotheists and that Muslims and Xians claim some loose affiliation to use through Avraham Avinu doesn't mean we all have the same G-d. Far from it.

Keep telling yourself that. Your religions are all based on the same myth. Get over it.
 
2010-07-06 01:09:43 PM  
Tatsuma: Actually, we don't.

please show differentiating DNA tests.
 
2010-07-06 01:09:49 PM  
Tatsuma: I do not worship a G-d who entered a human body, who was human and was killed later on. Neither do Muslims.

I also do not worship a G-d who came to an illiterate caravan raider and told he was the last prophet and that what he said was G-d's final revelation to mankind. Neither do Xians.

Xians do not follow the G-d who gave the Torah and said it was eternally binding, paving a way both for Jews and non-Jews to worship Him according to His Ways explained in the Oral and Written Torahs. Neither do Muslims.


Thank you for illustrating why it's so dang hard for folks to get along with regards to religion. And perhaps why Unitarians are the fastest growing church in the US, as opposed to ministries and faiths that preach exclusion.

Perhaps when we can agree that there are many paths, with the same goals, we might just end the squabbling over the names, and concentrate on the shared values and lessons...

lh4.ggpht.com
 
2010-07-06 01:09:57 PM  
Moquary: vinzago: Tatsuma: do not worship a G-d who entered a human body

What the fark is a "G-d"?

Are people really so ignorant that they are unfamiliar with the tradition that the name of God cannot be written?


No. I understand the "tradition." I just think it's stupid.
 
2010-07-06 01:10:05 PM  
This is now my favorite chart in the world. Thanks

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2010-07-06 01:10:29 PM  
It's Satanism. You hold the shift key when you type the S.



/somehow I manage to capitalize Christianity whether or not I approve of its existence
 
2010-07-06 01:10:48 PM  
It makes me happy that Misconduc's comment is the highest rated.
 
2010-07-06 01:11:10 PM  
Tatsuma 2010-07-06 12:47:52 PM
vinzago: Second, many of the captured Africans were already Muslims before being kidnapped and forced to convert to Christianity. So converting to Islam is a way for some African Americans to reject the religion of their Christian oppressors and reclaim part of their original heritage.

- So converting to the religion of the people who enslaved you and sold you to your last oppressors is somehow an improvement in their mind?


Tatsuma - you, of all people, cannot get on the moral highground regarding enslavement and oppression - didn't Moses kill all the men women and boys of the Canaanites (or any one of a number of murdered peoples) and only 'keep' the girl children? Very nice people, your ancestors.

/Avoids cheap shot about Jewish attitudes to gentiles nowadays
 
2010-07-06 01:11:13 PM  
Rubberband Girl: Okay, which one of your Farkers posted this in USA Today's comment section?


CrankMyBlueSax (0 friends, send message) wrote: 1h 2m ago
Captain, there are huge quantities of derp in this sector!


I dunno, but they oughta hang that bastard.
 
2010-07-06 01:11:27 PM  
At the risk of getting this thread back on track, I am continually amazed by the logic behind, "well, Christians aren't free to worship in Muslim countries so until they are, we shouldn't let Muslims be free to worship here!"

Same logic behind "Mexico's immigration policies are harsher than ours, so we shouldn't let Mexicans immigrate here!"

Why do these people want us to become Iran or Mexico? Why do they hate America?
 
2010-07-06 01:11:42 PM  
Farkshower1972: You're right, you don't. You worship the God from a couple dozen chapters before all the creepy zombie stuff. He's still the same God that told Abraham to drag his son up a mountain and slit his throat, all to make sure Abraham liked him enough, though.

No, it's not the same G-d. Also, that 'son' was in his thirties at the time, and went along willingly.

StoneColdAtheist: /prolly way too subtle an issue for discussion on Fark

way too subtle, so I will stop it right here.

/funny, this morning I was just reading in the paper an article right next to it, with the name of a few men who refused to grant their wives a divorce, and it was a public statement from the religious courts saying that these men had to be shunned and basically excommunicated until they did what they had to under Jewish law and grant it. Yeah, real harsh, a ketuvah that stipulates how much money a man has to give his wife if they divorce before they get married, and they are put under what is tantamount to excommunication if they don't go through with it. Treating them like chattel all right.

Farkshower1972: You are absolutely right. I *do* only have a superficial knowledge of those three religions. I'd prefer to leave an in-depth study of fairy tales to those immature and pedantic

Yet there is nothing quite as mature and level-headed as butting in a discussion on a subject you admit to have only a superficial knowledge about, and dictate to half of humanity what they actually believe in, and how they should live their lives.
 
2010-07-06 01:15:39 PM  
Moquary: Are people really so ignorant that they are unfamiliar with the tradition that the name of God cannot be written?

God God God GodGodGod God God

You may not be able to write it, but it sure looks like it can be typed.

/ Silly religious people. There's a big difference between 'cannot' and 'should not'.
 
2010-07-06 01:15:47 PM  
I sorted the comments so they were oldest first, and it didn't even get 10 before someone Goodwin'd.

/Must. Get. Popcorn.
 
2010-07-06 01:16:26 PM  
Moquary: Some Jews do not write out the whole name of God, so they are never able to erase it and thus subject God to defacement. Others think that this is only applicable to the name of God in Hebrew.

It only really applies in Hebrew, but we go the extra mile in order to show added respect and love.

Malicious Bastard: You're a farking idiot (and there really isn't much of a conversation to be had) if you think Islamic terrorism isn't about geopolitics and is instead about religion.

... and you have never actually bothered to read anything coming from these people, or Islam in general, if you don't think that Hamas, Al Qaeda and all these other groups are motivated by religion first and foremost.

And you really know nothing about Islam if you think that there is a separation between Religion and Politics. The former dictates the views of Muslims about everything, including politics.

The same could be lehavdil said about Judaism too.

mungo: /Avoids cheap shot about Jewish attitudes to gentiles nowadays

Please, tell us what you really think about "Jewish attitudes to gentiles nowadays". You've already opened the door, you might as well enter.
 
2010-07-06 01:16:39 PM  
Tatsuma: vinzago: Actually, you do. All three religions worship the God of Abraham.

I do not worship a G-d who entered a human body, who was human and was killed later on. Neither do Muslims.

I also do not worship a G-d who came to an illiterate caravan raider and told he was the last prophet and that what he said was G-d's final revelation to mankind. Neither do Xians.

Xians do not follow the G-d who gave the Torah and said it was eternally binding, paving a way both for Jews and non-Jews to worship Him according to His Ways explained in the Oral and Written Torahs. Neither do Muslims.


So he became a different god once some other tribe added a few chapters?
 
2010-07-06 01:17:14 PM  
Ah USA Today, America's high school newspaper.
 
2010-07-06 01:17:40 PM  
Farkshower1972: God God God GodGodGod God God

You may not be able to write it, but it sure looks like it can be typed.

/ Silly religious people. There's a big difference between 'cannot' and 'should not'.


... and you were calling us 'immature'?
 
2010-07-06 01:19:37 PM  
Farkshower1972: Moquary: Are people really so ignorant that they are unfamiliar with the tradition that the name of God cannot be written?

God God God GodGodGod God God

You may not be able to write it, but it sure looks like it can be typed.

/ Silly religious people. There's a big difference between 'cannot' and 'should not'.


Luckily, you don't worship the same deity, so you got that going for you.

It does beg the question, was there a line at the Creation, for who would get to start the whole shebang first, as opposed to just willy-nilly Creations congealing into what we have today?
 
2010-07-06 01:19:57 PM  
HotWingConspiracy: So he became a different god once some other tribe added a few chapters?

If I lehavdil take the Constitution, throw it away and change the rules completely, is it still the Constitution?
 
2010-07-06 01:20:09 PM  
I love how non-Christian people use the old testament to say that that others aren't Christians because they don't follow the laws of the old testament.

But, then, I feel the same way about Christians using the old testament (and the writings of Paul to the Romans - long after the death of Jesus - about his own personal beliefs about sexuality) to condemn the homogayfags.

Actually, I feel more the same way about the latter because they both deny that the old testament is applicable to gentiles while using one friggin law from the old testament to justify their unmitigated, and sometimes pathetically veiled, hatred for people that are honest about their desires.
 
2010-07-06 01:21:48 PM  
Welcome to America, land of the OH MY GOD IT'S NOT CARRYING A CROSS SHOOT IT.

Name the biggest recorded non-biological killer of all mankind in recorded history. Go on, I'll wait.
 
2010-07-06 01:23:34 PM  
Madbassist1

Nope, I don't believe anything I have read disagrees with anything I've said.

Feel free to correct me, though.


Omagh...."BBC News stated that those "who survived the car bomb blast in a busy shopping area of the town described scenes of utter carnage with the dead and dying strewn across the street and other victims screaming for help."
Paul McCormick of the Northern Ireland Ambulance Service said that "The injuries are horrific, from amputees, to severe head injuries to serious burns, and among them are women and children."

Also, If they didn't target civilians who the fark did they think would be drinking in pubs?
Bet you are one of those wankers that gave money to the ira but hate Iraqis killing U.S. soldiers
 
2010-07-06 01:24:23 PM  
shArkh: Name the biggest recorded non-biological killer of all mankind in recorded history. Go on, I'll wait.

Communism
 
2010-07-06 01:27:40 PM  
Tatsuma: StoneColdAtheist: /prolly way too subtle an issue for discussion on Fark

way too subtle, so I will stop it right here.

/funny, this morning I was just reading in the paper an article right next to it, with the name of a few men who refused to grant their wives a divorce, and it was a public statement from the religious courts saying that these men had to be shunned and basically excommunicated until they did what they had to under Jewish law and grant it. Yeah, real harsh, a ketuvah that stipulates how much money a man has to give his wife if they divorce before they get married, and they are put under what is tantamount to excommunication if they don't go through with it. Treating them like chattel all right.


The mere fact that they have to go to this extreme was my point, Tatsuma. Reserving the sefer k'ritut exclusively for men IS the inequity; the ketuvah and shunning notwithstanding.
 
2010-07-06 01:28:07 PM  
uberdose: Fleet: Fabric_Man: Ponzholio: bighairyguy: Where's the farkin' pie chart?

I like pie.

HERETIC! Only CAKE is God's desert!

Guys, GUYS!!! Liking pie and liking cake are not mutually exclusive. Geezus.

This is actually a great metaphor for religious people to co-exist with beliefs other than their own. Or is that the joke?


I had the creationist/evolutionist debate in my head as I typed that.
 
2010-07-06 01:29:22 PM  
Tatsuma: HotWingConspiracy: So he became a different god once some other tribe added a few chapters?

If I lehavdil take the Constitution, throw it away and change the rules completely, is it still the Constitution?


I see christianity as a really large amendment. But I get your point. I would still say it's the same god, he's just been hijacked to serve another narrative.
 
2010-07-06 01:30:47 PM  
StoneColdAtheist: The mere fact that they have to go to this extreme was my point, Tatsuma. Reserving the sefer k'ritut exclusively for men IS the inequity; the ketuvah and shunning notwithstanding.

It's much much more complicated than that. Also, you have to realize that when these rules were formulated, no one imagined that we would ever reach such a low point spiritually where these rules would actually need to be used. They were just safeguards, basically.

Also, you have to remember something: there are millions of Orthodox Jews, and there are not even a thousand women (probably less than half of that) today who are in such a situation. It's sad, but also extremely rare.

According to my newspaper, in the greater NY metropolitan area, there are less than 40 women in such a situation. That's one of the biggest concentration of Orthodox Jews in the world.
 
2010-07-06 01:30:59 PM  
HotWingConspiracy: drunkenmidnight: From the article:

"The founding fathers concluded that the government should not block the practicing of any religion. This sounds good in theory. I don't think they anticipated Islam or satanism though. I think they were thinking of the religions of their day- presently in America at the time and in Europe: Methodists, Quakers, Anglicans, Catholics, Baptists, etc...

Imagine our government allowing the practice of satan-worship to go on. It does, and is being practiced as we speak. Similar situation exists with Islam. Just because "it's in the constitution" supposedly, that does not make it right now, does it?"

Wow, what an farking idiot. I weep for society on how ignorant we still are in this day and age.

I like that they think the founders didn't anticipate Islam. It was only thousands of years old during their time.


It was only about 1,000 years old at the time, but it was not at all an obscure religion.
 
2010-07-06 01:31:01 PM  
Tatsuma: shArkh: Name the biggest recorded non-biological killer of all mankind in recorded history. Go on, I'll wait.

Communism


Don't make me come over there, I swear. I'll jihad you so hard.
 
2010-07-06 01:31:11 PM  
Tatsuma: vinzago: Actually, you do. All three religions worship the God of Abraham.

I do not worship a God who entered a human body, who was human and was killed later on. Neither do Muslims.

I also do not worship a God who came to an illiterate caravan raider and told he was the last prophet and that what he said was God's final revelation to mankind. Neither do Xians.

Xians do not follow the God who gave the Torah and said it was eternally binding, paving a way both for Jews and non-Jews to worship Him according to His Ways explained in the Oral and Written Torahs. Neither do Muslims.


You're cute when you're stupidly flailing about, looking for excuses to justify your ignorance and stupidity.

Muslims, Christians, and Jews all worship the same deity, which is based on the same set of shared myths that were cobbled together from the same set of Middle-Eastern myths like a prom dress made from carpet remnants.
 
2010-07-06 01:32:48 PM  
Tatsuma: Yet there is nothing quite as mature and level-headed as butting in a discussion on a subject you admit to have only a superficial knowledge about, and dictate to half of humanity what they actually believe in, and how they should live their lives.

We're posting on Fark. That should give you an indication of the level of maturity you should expect.

As it is an open forum, there is no 'butting in'... the conversation is open to all.

As an atheist, I do have only a superficial understanding of what would make a person believe in stories... however, I can also perhaps bring a unique perspective to someone who is unable to see outside their respective dogmas.

As for "dictating to half of humanity what they actually believe in, and how they live their lives", all I did was point out that the God worshipped by the Jews bears a remarkable resemblance to the God worshipped by the Christians and Muslims... a widely shared opinion, not a dictation to the religious masses on how they should worship. Your persecution complex is showing.

When I joined the U.S. military as a young man I took an oath to give my lifer in defense of the Constitution and the rights laid out therein. In my mind, the most important of those next to free speech is the freedom of religion. I may poke gentle fun at your 'fairy tales', but to this day I am willing to give my life to ensure that you and your children and their children have the right to grow up Jewish. Please keep that in mind the next time you get on your high horse and start denigrating your fellow Farkers.

/ tl;dr - Quit being an asshat.
// I still wouldn't want a mosque built in my neighborhood.
 
2010-07-06 01:34:20 PM  
This was in the comments on USA Today. I'm just gonna drop it off here for farkination.


Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.

Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.

When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well.

Here's how it works.

As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is
the case in:

United States -- Muslim 0.6%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1.8%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:

Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby
securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:

France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- Muslim 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed
cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:

Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 15%

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 100%

Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

'Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe;
the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel. -- Leon Uris, 'The Haj'

It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national
courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death.

Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.

Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Some say Muslims will exceed 50% of the world's population by the end of this century.

~Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book - "Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat"
 
2010-07-06 01:38:31 PM  
my favorite pie chart:

thepatriotaxe.com

/it's a clarity thing
//UAE = united ARAB emirates
///ARABARABARABARABARABARABARABARABARABARABARABARABARAB
 
2010-07-06 01:39:23 PM  
Farkshower1972: HotWingConspiracy: Good thing that didn't happen. Maybe in prison? Hasn't exactly taken off. I think it's the bow ties.

Shut up. Bow ties are cool.


I'm not seeing a bowtie in that pic. A hot redhead, yes, but she's not wearing a bowtie that I can see.
 
2010-07-06 01:41:04 PM  
pimpazona: Luckily, Olive Gardens seem to be everywhere, so my religion is safe.

^^ WIN!
 
2010-07-06 01:44:14 PM  
Hey! Could you guys keep it down!

I'm doing science.
 
2010-07-06 01:44:25 PM  
Who knew there could still be a Tatsuma thread even at this late date?
 
2010-07-06 01:45:38 PM  
Tatsuma: ... and you have never actually bothered to read anything coming from these people, or Islam in general, if you don't think that Hamas, Al Qaeda and all these other groups are motivated by religion first and foremost.

I hesitate to debate the mighty Tatsuma, but I think they are religious groups motivated by geopolitics.
Hamas is literally the "Islamic Resistance Movement"
al-Qaeda's Mujahideen are "justice/freedom fighters"

The lack of separation between religion and politics only partially explains their motivations for fighting.
The same could easily be said about Israel's struggle as well.

/Pause
//I have to go see the World Cup Game.
 
2010-07-06 01:46:24 PM  
viperdriver: Madbassist1

Nope, I don't believe anything I have read disagrees with anything I've said.

Feel free to correct me, though.

Omagh...."BBC News stated that those "who survived the car bomb blast in a busy shopping area of the town described scenes of utter carnage with the dead and dying strewn across the street and other victims screaming for help."
Paul McCormick of the Northern Ireland Ambulance Service said that "The injuries are horrific, from amputees, to severe head injuries to serious burns, and among them are women and children."

Also, If they didn't target civilians who the fark did they think would be drinking in pubs?
Bet you are one of those wankers that gave money to the ira but hate Iraqis killing U.S. soldiers


Don't forget the part in Omagh where they called in a bomb threat at the other end of town so people would be funneled towards the bomb by police.
 
2010-07-06 01:50:00 PM  
Tatsuma: CentralSmith: Hey, Jews, Christians, Muslims, sit down. I know this may be difficult for you to understand, so I'm going to make it nice and simple.
YOU ALL HAVE THE SAME GOD.

Actually, we don't.


Long time no see :).

A Jewish friend of mine explained that, from his perspective (and therefore I'm assuming the general Jewish perspective), he sees Christians and Muslims as having been misled by false prophets, deceived into thinking their following the same god while in fact worshipping other entities entirely.

His viewpoint was that Christians actually have four separate gods -- the usual trinity, plus the devil, and that they actually seem to put more stock into avoiding the later rather than following the former three, in turn actually driving themselves closer to the later.

He didn't really go into the Muslim differences too much with me, since that wasn't in my upbringing.

I'm not sure if that's coming across as clearly as it did when he explained it to me, but as I said it's roughly how I remember it. I'm willing to be corrected if I messed up the details.
 
2010-07-06 01:51:20 PM  
Well, not all religions are created equal. If you're talking about relatively reasonable, non-violent sects like the Buddhists or the Unitarian Universalists, then no, I don't think we have any business trying to restrict what or where they build. When it comes to dangerous, violent groups, though, then yes.....I think people have a right to say "not in my backyard." This would include Muslim mosques, Fundamentalist Christian groups (ala Fred Phelps or any of those "overthrow the Anti-Christ government!" cults, or other similar) or anything that would be likely to lead to terrorist activity or violence/abuse.

It's not about which religion is "true," but about which religion is most likely to be violent. Islam wins hands down, but fundie Christians are a close second.
 
2010-07-06 01:51:26 PM  
Firefly4F4: their

they are -- grammar is not my forte.
 
2010-07-06 01:52:21 PM  
Stonerbloopers:

Bosnia? Did they just blame Muslims for the Yugoslav ethnic cleansing programmes?
 
2010-07-06 01:52:37 PM  
www.motifake.com

/No other religion has such a good sense of humor
//if this were Mohammad we'd all be dead by now
///I'm really an atheist
 
2010-07-06 01:53:39 PM  
Who threadjacked this? This thread is supposed to be about pie!
 
2010-07-06 01:55:04 PM  
Malicious Bastard: al-Qaeda's Mujahideen

Wot?

Al-Qaeda is a different group from the mujahideen.

The mujahideen were tribal Afghans defending their homes and their families from outsiders. Their focus is primarily home and hearth, not religious, and entirely Afghani.

Al-Qaeda is a Saudi-Arabian Islamic fundamentalist group whose primary purpose is to reduce infidel "defilement" of the holy lands of Mecca and Medina (neither of which is, btw, in Afghanistan). They are primarily religious in orientation, and international in scope.
 
2010-07-06 01:57:21 PM  
hubiestubert: Ignorance of international politics and history seems to be one of the defining characteristics of the average American.

What them Un-American Muslims have been up to in this country...

[pictures]


What's up with the last picture? Could you add context?
 
2010-07-06 01:57:54 PM  
Tatsuma: vinzago: Actually, you do. All three religions worship the God of Abraham.

I do not worship a G-d who entered a human body, who was human and was killed later on. Neither do Muslims.

I also do not worship a G-d who came to an illiterate caravan raider and told he was the last prophet and that what he said was G-d's final revelation to mankind. Neither do Xians.

Xians do not follow the G-d who gave the Torah and said it was eternally binding, paving a way both for Jews and non-Jews to worship Him according to His Ways explained in the Oral and Written Torahs. Neither do Muslims.


Yeah, thanks for that. I was looking at the USA Today comments and thinking, "You know what the Fark thread needs? More bigotry".

You're not special. Sorry.

And I don't believe God is an old man in the sky who sends letters to some humans, but not others, telling them how to behave. That "G-d" sounds like a real farking asshole.
 
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