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(BBC)   Pregnant drinking "affects sperm." Well then, spit it out   (news.bbc.co.uk ) divider line
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2010-06-29 01:18:09 PM  
+1
 
2010-06-29 01:31:12 PM  
thanks. Now I need a new keyboard.

/strangely appropriate for this thread.
 
2010-06-29 01:32:08 PM  
UK experts said alcohol may not be the issue, but a marker for other factors.

As should be expected. Drinking while pregnant is not as big a deal in the UK as it is elsewhere.
 
2010-06-29 01:37:53 PM  
You owe me a new keyboard.

/Don't ask
 
2010-06-29 02:32:32 PM  
Don't doctors already tell women not to drink while pregnant? This just sounds to me like "Driving without seatbelt more dangerous than previously thought"
 
2010-06-29 02:44:13 PM  

labman: thanks. Now I need a new keyboard.



should have swallowed
 
2010-06-29 02:45:35 PM  
I don't think a kid with FAS is going to care as much about low sperm count.
 
2010-06-29 03:05:49 PM  
i253.photobucket.com

"You will not drink the black sperm of my vengence?"

- BTVOTD (drunkard's cut)
 
2010-06-29 03:18:27 PM  
You win.
 
2010-06-29 03:48:49 PM  
That's a mouthfull.
 
2010-06-29 03:50:45 PM  
+1
 
2010-06-29 03:50:47 PM  
At least no one lost an eye.
 
2010-06-29 03:50:50 PM  
earsucker.com

Approves
 
2010-06-29 03:51:00 PM  
If your woman drinks while pregnant, your kid's sperm count is the least of your concerns.
 
2010-06-29 03:51:04 PM  

kingoomieiii: Don't doctors already tell women not to drink while pregnant? This just sounds to me like "Driving without seatbelt more dangerous than previously thought"


NO YOU FASCIST YOU CANT TELL WOEMN NOT TO DRINK YOU DONT KNOW WHAT PREGNANT IS I CAN SMOKE AND DRARNK YOU DUMN MAN ASSOHOL YOU HAVE TO DRINK 8 GALLONS A DAY TO GET FETAL ALCHOL

or so it goes from the other threads i've seen
 
2010-06-29 03:52:40 PM  
FTA: In a study of almost 350 young men, sperm levels were a third lower in those whose mothers had drunk more than four drinks a week during pregnancy compared with teetotallers.

But how does that explain this:

img18.imageshack.us

I'm willing to bet that Clevon's parents drank like horses.
 
2010-06-29 03:53:03 PM  

DrMcNinja: kingoomieiii: Don't doctors already tell women not to drink while pregnant? This just sounds to me like "Driving without seatbelt more dangerous than previously thought"

NO YOU FASCIST YOU CANT TELL WOEMN NOT TO DRINK YOU DONT KNOW WHAT PREGNANT IS I CAN SMOKE AND DRARNK YOU DUMN MAN ASSOHOL YOU HAVE TO DRINK 8 GALLONS A DAY TO GET FETAL ALCHOL

or so it goes from the other threads i've seen


Youtube or Yahoo?
 
2010-06-29 03:55:11 PM  
"Hmmm... this beer is salty."
dvdmedia.ign.com
 
2010-06-29 03:56:39 PM  
how is babby schnockered?
 
2010-06-29 03:56:40 PM  

PsyLord: FTA: In a study of almost 350 young men, sperm levels were a third lower in those whose mothers had drunk more than four drinks a week during pregnancy compared with teetotallers.

But how does that explain this:

I'm willing to bet that Clevon's parents drank like horses.


I don't think anything could explain that.
/or anyone
//very confused
///probably happier not understanding
 
2010-06-29 03:57:12 PM  
Great headline subby! Please, come again.
 
2010-06-29 03:57:40 PM  
Donald_McRonald:
As should be expected. Drinking while pregnant is not as big a deal in the UK as it is elsewhere.
I'm confused. Do you mean that nobody in the U.K. cares about pregnant women who drink, or that it's an infrequent occurrence? :S
 
2010-06-29 03:58:22 PM  

Donald_McRonald: UK experts said alcohol may not be the issue, but a marker for other factors.

As should be expected. Drinking while pregnant is not as big a deal in the UK as it is elsewhere.


Apparently, neither is:

img.dailymail.co.uk


bruceandfran.files.wordpress.com


4.bp.blogspot.com

www.weirdthings.org.uk

Perhaps it is the alchohol. :)
 
2010-06-29 04:00:10 PM  

DrGunsforHands: DrMcNinja: kingoomieiii: Don't doctors already tell women not to drink while pregnant? This just sounds to me like "Driving without seatbelt more dangerous than previously thought"

NO YOU FASCIST YOU CANT TELL WOEMN NOT TO DRINK YOU DONT KNOW WHAT PREGNANT IS I CAN SMOKE AND DRARNK YOU DUMN MAN ASSOHOL YOU HAVE TO DRINK 8 GALLONS A DAY TO GET FETAL ALCHOL

or so it goes from the other threads i've seen

Youtube or Yahoo?


FARK, but translated into YouTube
 
2010-06-29 04:00:24 PM  

And, OK, FTFA:

Study leader Dr Cecilia Ramlau-Hansen, from Aarhus University Hospital, said that if the link is proven in further studies, it may explain why semen quality seems to have fallen in recent decades.
This seems...counter-intuitive. Given the medical industry's promotion of liquor-free pregnancies, shouldn't sperm quality be improving? Was there a huge increase in drinking, in the 1960s and 70s?
 
2010-06-29 04:01:56 PM  
unborn babies like to get drunk too!

/haters gonna hate
 
2010-06-29 04:04:19 PM  
We adopted a child with fetal alcohol syndrome.

Any woman that drinks while pregnant should be sterilized (or shot) immediately.

/"it's my body" my ass
 
2010-06-29 04:04:47 PM  
remember girls, throat babies never get born
 
2010-06-29 04:04:51 PM  
Having recently been pregnant in both the UK and the US (same pregnancy), I can confirm that UK medic peeps allow expectant mothers 2-3 units of alcohol a week (a beer is like 2 units). It's in all the UK baby books, the midwives and doctors give the ok, etc...

Here in the US, even a sip will get fingers wagging.
 
2010-06-29 04:04:59 PM  

NotSubby: Donald_McRonald: UK experts said alcohol may not be the issue, but a marker for other factors.

As should be expected. Drinking while pregnant is not as big a deal in the UK as it is elsewhere.

Apparently, neither is:

Perhaps it is the alchohol. :)


Not to be too picky, but the kid is wearing a Feyenoord jersey, with the the word Roterdam on it. Last time I checked that city was in the Netherlands and not part of the UK.
 
2010-06-29 04:06:54 PM  

Pope Larry II: NotSubby: Donald_McRonald: UK experts said alcohol may not be the issue, but a marker for other factors.

As should be expected. Drinking while pregnant is not as big a deal in the UK as it is elsewhere.

Apparently, neither is:

Perhaps it is the alchohol. :)

Not to be too picky, but the kid is wearing a Feyenoord jersey, with the the word Roterdam on it. Last time I checked that city was in the Netherlands and not part of the UK.


I know. he was on the same page as one of the others and too cool not to link, though.
 
2010-06-29 04:08:40 PM  
So in Canada drinking whilst preggers causes FASD but in the UK it merely causes low sperm counts in sons?

WTF?
 
2010-06-29 04:10:12 PM  
spit it out, or you can try...

samanthakrieger.files.wordpress.com

/...ing
//obscure?
 
2010-06-29 04:11:26 PM  
So there's hope that our society won't turn into a real-life version of 'Idiocracy'?
 
2010-06-29 04:18:28 PM  
Brick-House:
//obscure?
On Fark? Not...really, no. :D
 
2010-06-29 04:22:16 PM  

boobsrgood: If your woman drinks while pregnant, your kid's sperm count is the least of your concerns.


This. EVERYONE should know by now that drinking while pregnant=bad.
 
2010-06-29 04:22:56 PM  
Well she's going to have to decide, I'm not going to get yelled at again because she doesn't like the way that pearl necklace looks with her new dress.
 
2010-06-29 04:23:45 PM  

kvinesknows: So in Canada drinking whilst preggers causes FASD but in the UK it merely causes low sperm counts in sons?

WTF?


Simple.

Anti-drinking prudes have convinced panicky people everywhere that a single drop of alcohol will give you a deformed evil retard baby. So you get shrieking from folks like dead_dangler.

The truth is that FAS babies are the babies of alcoholics. FAS comes from the kind of people for whom sobriety is a painful condition that must be avoided constantly at all costs.

But here in North America, we can't handle the concept of moderation, and we love to pander to the puritans. So now a pregnant woman can't go to a wine tasting.
 
2010-06-29 04:28:36 PM  

stevarooni: On Fark? Not...really, no. :D


or you know, on the internet in general.
 
2010-06-29 04:28:48 PM  

This: kvinesknows: So in Canada drinking whilst preggers causes FASD but in the UK it merely causes low sperm counts in sons?

WTF?

Simple.

Anti-drinking prudes have convinced panicky people everywhere that a single drop of alcohol will give you a deformed evil retard baby. So you get shrieking from folks like dead_dangler.

The truth is that FAS babies are the babies of alcoholics. FAS comes from the kind of people for whom sobriety is a painful condition that must be avoided constantly at all costs.

But here in North America, we can't handle the concept of moderation, and we love to pander to the puritans. So now a pregnant woman can't go to a wine tasting.


You are an idiot. Due to the nature of the disease, there is no known "safe limit" for alcohol consumption during pregnancy. It's not just children of alcoholics who have FAS.
 
2010-06-29 04:30:21 PM  

This: kvinesknows: So in Canada drinking whilst preggers causes FASD but in the UK it merely causes low sperm counts in sons?

WTF?

Simple.

Anti-drinking prudes have convinced panicky people everywhere that a single drop of alcohol will give you a deformed evil retard baby. So you get shrieking from folks like dead_dangler.

The truth is that FAS babies are the babies of alcoholics. FAS comes from the kind of people for whom sobriety is a painful condition that must be avoided constantly at all costs.

But here in North America, we can't handle the concept of moderation, and we love to pander to the puritans. So now a pregnant woman can't go to a wine tasting.


THIS, This.

/Preggers and decanting the vino
 
2010-06-29 04:36:27 PM  

dead_dangler: You are an idiot. Due to the nature of the disease, there is no known "safe limit" for alcohol consumption during pregnancy. It's not just children of alcoholics who have FAS.


i've always sort of figured that to be on the safe side, just lay off the booze for 9 months. Its not your entire life or anything, and if there is any chance that drinking can harm the child, why take that risk?
 
2010-06-29 04:42:32 PM  

This: kvinesknows: So in Canada drinking whilst preggers causes FASD but in the UK it merely causes low sperm counts in sons?

WTF?

Simple.

Anti-drinking prudes have convinced panicky people everywhere that a single drop of alcohol will give you a deformed evil retard baby. So you get shrieking from folks like dead_dangler.

The truth is that FAS babies are the babies of alcoholics. FAS comes from the kind of people for whom sobriety is a painful condition that must be avoided constantly at all costs.

But here in North America, we can't handle the concept of moderation, and we love to pander to the puritans. So now a pregnant woman can't go to a wine tasting.


See, and ya'll thought my WHARGARBL earlier in the thread was facetious. How about you just don't drink for 9 months you dumb, asshole.
 
2010-06-29 04:43:58 PM  

dead_dangler: You are an idiot. Due to the nature of the disease, there is no known "safe limit" for alcohol consumption during pregnancy. It's not just children of alcoholics who have FAS.


If this were the case, we'd be seeing catastrophic cases of FAS in far higher frequencies.

Most people drink. Many people drink a lot. Most people stop drinking when they find out they're pregnant.... however, there's a period of a few weeks (or even a month or two) between getting pregnant and finding out they're pregnant, and that the first trimester is when the baby is most vulnerable to alcohol. People are going out and getting shiatfaced after they conceived, because they don't know they conceived... and having normal babies.

The recommended limits that have been settled upon in Europe (2-3 standard-sized drinks per-week) seem perfectly reasonable to me.
 
2010-06-29 04:44:29 PM  

tlchwi02: dead_dangler: You are an idiot. Due to the nature of the disease, there is no known "safe limit" for alcohol consumption during pregnancy. It's not just children of alcoholics who have FAS.

i've always sort of figured that to be on the safe side, just lay off the booze for 9 months. Its not your entire life or anything, and if there is any chance that drinking can harm the child, why take that risk?


FASD is insidious in that even "mild" cases (with no obvious physical attributes) can cause impairment that goes undiagnosed for years. Lack of abstract thinking, short term memory problems, lack of impulse control, & inability to distinguish between right and wrong are just some of the joys it brings. Alcohol (a poison) in the mother's bloodstream is pumped directly into the developing fetus. How anyone could think that this is "harmless" is beyond me.
 
2010-06-29 04:49:21 PM  

dead_dangler:

You are an idiot. Due to the nature of the disease, there is no known "safe limit" for alcohol consumption during pregnancy. It's not just children of alcoholics who have FAS.


I think you're a bit more cautious than history and science suggests one needs to be. But that being said, yeah, it's probably a good idea to ease up significantly on the booze during pregnancy, and to abstain entirely during the first part of the pregnancy. Apparently, lots of women are actually physically sickened by the smell of liquor while pregnant, which is probably your body's way of saying "hey, we should avoid this stuff." Still, I'm sure I'll indulge in a few sips of a drink every so often at the end of my (future) pregnancy. And if it turns out I'm wrong and I pop out a FAS kid? Well, I'll owe you a beer.
 
2010-06-29 04:51:43 PM  

boobsrgood: If your woman drinks while pregnant, your kid's sperm count is the least of your concerns.


You forgot to add as a possible result:
i280.photobucket.com
 
2010-06-29 04:52:43 PM  

This: dead_dangler: You are an idiot. Due to the nature of the disease, there is no known "safe limit" for alcohol consumption during pregnancy. It's not just children of alcoholics who have FAS.

If this were the case, we'd be seeing catastrophic cases of FAS in far higher frequencies.

Most people drink. Many people drink a lot. Most people stop drinking when they find out they're pregnant.... however, there's a period of a few weeks (or even a month or two) between getting pregnant and finding out they're pregnant, and that the first trimester is when the baby is most vulnerable to alcohol. People are going out and getting shiatfaced after they conceived, because they don't know they conceived... and having normal babies.

The recommended limits that have been settled upon in Europe (2-3 standard-sized drinks per-week) seem perfectly reasonable to me.


It doesn't work like that. Do some research. Conceivably (no pun intended), some women could drink throughout their pregnancy and have a "normal" baby. Other women could have one or two drinks at exactly the wrong time and significantly affect the tiny brain that's forming.
 
2010-06-29 04:55:27 PM  
Wikipedia

Cause

Prenatal alcohol exposure is the cause of fetal alcohol syndrome. A number of studies have shown that light to moderate drinking during pregnancy might not pose a risk to the fetus, although no amount of alcohol during pregnancy can be guaranteed to be absolutely safe.[34][35][36][37] The Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists conducted a study of over 400,000 women, all of whom had consumed alcohol during pregnancy. No case of fetal alcohol syndrome occurred and no adverse effects on children were found when consumption was under 8.5 drinks per week.[38] A review of research studies found that fetal alcohol syndrome only occurred among alcoholics; no apparent risk to the child occurred when the pregnant women consumed no more than one drink per day.[39] A study of moderate drinking during pregnancy found no negative effects and the researchers concluded that one drink per day provides a significant margin of safety, although they did not encourage drinking during pregnancy.[40] A study of pregnancies in eight European countries found that consuming no more than one drink per day did not appear to have any effect on fetal growth. A follow-up of children at 18 months of age found that those from women who drank during pregnancy, even two drinks per day, scored higher in several areas of development.[41] An analysis of seven medical research studies involving over 130,000 pregnancies found that consuming two to 14 drinks per week did not increase the risk of giving birth to a child with either malformations or fetal alcohol syndrome.[42]

Yes, it's wikipedia, but you can click the refs if you like.

 
2010-06-29 04:57:18 PM  

dead_dangler: FASD is insidious in that even "mild" cases (with no obvious physical attributes) can cause impairment that goes undiagnosed for years. Lack of abstract thinking, short term memory problems, lack of impulse control, & inability to distinguish between right and wrong are just some of the joys it brings. Alcohol (a poison) in the mother's bloodstream is pumped directly into the developing fetus. How anyone could think that this is "harmless" is beyond me.


seems like a pretty simple risk/reward thing:

Risk: my child could end up with a large variety of debilitating to troublesome issues throughout their life that could make their life harder if i drink.

Reward: i could get a buzz.

the risk/reward seems way out of whack, even before taking into account that it seems that its basically a crap shoot- maybe your kid is fine, maybe they end up with an oddly shaped head and drool on themselves into their 30's.
 
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