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2010-06-28 04:38:37 PM  
as long as my chocolate rations get increased i don't care
 
2010-06-28 04:51:32 PM  
He followed up his comment with subtle hand wave saying "you serve your master well."
 
2010-06-28 05:12:30 PM  
So my good friend (whom I am mocking nonstop at this point) is having reception issues with his new iPhone in a major metropolitan area because of what then?
 
2010-06-28 05:28:49 PM  

Dr.Knockboots: So my good friend (whom I am mocking nonstop at this point) is having reception issues with his new iPhone in a major metropolitan area because of what then?


No he's not. Stay tuned.
 
2010-06-28 05:35:45 PM  
Like it matters. If Steve Jobs crapped in a bucket and called it the iTurd, Apple fanboys would queue up for hours to pay $500 for it and somehow convince themselves that they're sticking it to the man.
 
2010-06-28 06:26:53 PM  

Dr.Knockboots: So my good friend (whom I am mocking nonstop at this point) is having reception issues with his new iPhone in a major metropolitan area because of what then?


I've seen a couple of articles talking about some changes in iOS4 that could account for the signal loss, something to do with the phone searching for different towers based on signal strength and congestion. This was backed up with videos of 3Gs and 3GSs with the same signal drop behavior as the 4, but obviously without external antennas of their own. That conceivably could account for the signal strength dropping.

So a software update could alleviate some of the signal loss, but I'm not an RF engineer. It would be easy enough to test after installation if signal strength still drops dramatically when the antennas are bridged.
 
2010-06-28 06:30:35 PM  

Hender: So a software update could alleviate some of the signal loss, but I'm not an RF engineer.


There is no signal loss. Stay tuned.
 
2010-06-28 07:30:54 PM  
Two coworkers lined up. I considered it, but decided I will not buy another iphone until I can use Verizon. I'm happier than they are. I think.

I hate myself for being materialistic.
 
2010-06-28 07:30:59 PM  
PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!!

/iBullshiat
 
2010-06-28 07:31:53 PM  
Victory Gin for everybody!
 
2010-06-28 07:32:27 PM  

Kublai Khan: Like it matters. If Steve Jobs crapped in a bucket and called it the iTurd, Apple fanboys would queue up for hours to pay $500 for it and somehow convince themselves that they're sticking it to the man.


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2010-06-28 07:32:38 PM  
The question of whether the iPhone 4 has reception issues is a matter of faith and thus beyond the scope of science. The observed "issues" could have been caused by unseen spirits, and science is not equipped to explore that claim.
 
2010-06-28 07:34:29 PM  

Steve Jobs: "There are no reception issues."


"These aren't the Droids you're looking for..."

*waves hand*
 
2010-06-28 07:35:22 PM  
<b>TFA:</b><i>For left-handers, that means they'll likely grip the phone differently than right-handed people.</i>

I don't understand something. Is it really common for right-handed people to hold their phone in their right hand? Maybe I'm a lone weirdo who writes notes while on the phone, but the volume controls seem just right for the thumb and the button on the top edge seems placed perfectly for my left index finger.
 
2010-06-28 07:35:34 PM  
i haven't been this upset since my sundial was only able to turn clockwise.
 
Slu
2010-06-28 07:36:36 PM  
All I know is iOS 4 sucks big time on my 3G to the point that I just downgraded back to 3.1.3. It is nice to have a useable phone again.
 
2010-06-28 07:38:05 PM  
It doesn't help being on AT&T.
 
2010-06-28 07:38:35 PM  
The technical explanation for the variation in signal strength found when closing the iPhone's case gaps with one's fingers is, that the antennas are being "loaded". The loading from fingers, a material with a high relative permittivity of ~50 at 2 GHz, changes the input impedance and resonant frequency of the antenna resulting in loss.

If I had to take an educated guess, I suspect pressing one's fingers across the gap increases the gap capacitance and changes the feed input impedance and electrical length of the antenna. It is analogous to holding on to a piano wire with two fingers while it is being struck. Its resonant frequency will shift and its quality factor will drop, resulting in a sound that is off key and muffled.

A solution often employed in the field is to preload an antenna. Preloading is including a large permittivity in the design, so when a human puts it close to their body, there isn't a significant change. The down side of this is that it often reduces bandwidth and efficiency. So you can either have a great antenna that takes a hit when your fingers are near it or have one that is not quite as good but never changes. Isn't it like Apple to choose the former and like the masses to cry for the latter? ;)

Note that if the antennas were designed to be inside the case as opposed to being part of it, they would likely have a loss somewhere between the best (unloaded) and worst (loaded) performance of the existing antenna. It's all an engineering tradeoff.

The best solution is to not touch the antennas at the gap (Steve is right) or to buy a phone cover that keeps your high-permittivity sausages away from the RF sensitive areas. Apple made the trade off for you and in my opinion it is a novel and good one, provided it can survive the bad PR generated by the griping gap grippers.
 
2010-06-28 07:39:35 PM  
these are not the droids you're looking for.
 
2010-06-28 07:40:00 PM  
Not to beat a dead horse, but didn't the last iPhone have serious reception issues? Wake up. No, I don't really care what phone, OS, or anything else you use. But really?
 
2010-06-28 07:41:15 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Steve Jobs: "There are no reception issues."


"These aren't the Droids you're looking for..."

*waves hand*


nicely played +1
 
2010-06-28 07:41:18 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Steve Jobs: "There are no reception issues."


"These aren't the Droids you're looking for..."

*waves hand*


this is what I get for not reading the comments.

how about..."there is no spoon".
 
2010-06-28 07:41:32 PM  
I've been using my iPhone 4 for a few days now, and on a few occasions I can re-create the "Grip the corner, lose bars" but I have been unable to drop a call because of it.

Maybe it is because I don't have greasy sausage fingers, but whatever.

/Had a 3G before this
//DAMN It's fast!
 
2010-06-28 07:41:36 PM  
"There is no reception issue. Stay tuned," he wrote in a response to a user who wrote Jobs directly.

If there's no issue then what are we staying tuned for?
 
2010-06-28 07:41:42 PM  
it isn't a reception issue, it's a software bug that doesn't keep the bars in full reception. The signal does not get weaker. Now if someone is having reception issues, that is localized to their area.
 
2010-06-28 07:41:49 PM  

MisterSpoot: keeps your high-permittivity sausages away from the RF sensitive areas.


Sounds vaguely naughty
 
2010-06-28 07:42:44 PM  
Kublai Khan [TotalFark] Quote 2010-06-28 05:35:45 PM
Like it matters. If Steve Jobs crapped in a bucket and called it the iTurd, Apple fanboys would queue up for hours to pay $500 for it and somehow convince themselves that they're sticking it to the man.

>>>>

$300 for a phone that work well, has more apps, great features, and good quality, as opposed to fanboys who spend hundreds on a new version of windows
 
2010-06-28 07:43:16 PM  
There isn't a reception issue, and even if there were, it would be AT&T and Flash's fault.
 
2010-06-28 07:44:09 PM  
When I was shopping for a laptop at best buy, I saw an iBook for $1400. It had less ram, less speed, and less everything else, than the Toshiba that I bought for $700.
 
2010-06-28 07:45:23 PM  

Big Al: as opposed to fanboys


A mac fanboy calling the PC crowd "fanboys"

Amusing. Hey Pot, you're black.
 
2010-06-28 07:45:26 PM  
My God. It's lacking bars.
 
2010-06-28 07:45:43 PM  
there is no such thing as an ibook, unless this was a decade ago
 
2010-06-28 07:46:36 PM  
heinekenftw: When I was shopping for a laptop at best buy, I saw an iBook for $1400. It had less ram, less speed, and less everything else, than the Toshiba that I bought for $700.

heh, my Toshiba blows my girlfriend's MacBook Pro out of the water in terms of specs, and it cost under 800 VS the 2GRAND she paid for the Mac
 
2010-06-28 07:46:44 PM  
Crap reception on the iPhone 4? The 3GS has crap enough reception where I live.
 
2010-06-28 07:48:02 PM  
Big Al: $300 for a phone that work well, has more apps, great features, and good quality, as opposed to fanboys who spend hundreds on a new version of windows

more apps = quality? yeah, ok.
 
2010-06-28 07:48:23 PM  
Keep drinkin' it up Fanboys, keep drinkin'it up...

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2010-06-28 07:49:58 PM  

Kublai Khan: Like it matters. If Steve Jobs crapped in a bucket and called it the iTurd, Apple fanboys would queue up for hours to pay $500 for it and somehow convince themselves that they're sticking it to the man.


The iTurd you say? Where can I get one?
 
2010-06-28 07:50:57 PM  

MisterSpoot: The technical explanation for the variation in signal strength found when closing the iPhone's case gaps with one's fingers is, that the antennas are being "loaded". The loading from fingers, a material with a high relative permittivity of ~50 at 2 GHz, changes the input impedance and resonant frequency of the antenna resulting in loss.

If I had to take an educated guess, I suspect pressing one's fingers across the gap increases the gap capacitance and changes the feed input impedance and electrical length of the antenna. It is analogous to holding on to a piano wire with two fingers while it is being struck. Its resonant frequency will shift and its quality factor will drop, resulting in a sound that is off key and muffled.

A solution often employed in the field is to preload an antenna. Preloading is including a large permittivity in the design, so when a human puts it close to their body, there isn't a significant change. The down side of this is that it often reduces bandwidth and efficiency. So you can either have a great antenna that takes a hit when your fingers are near it or have one that is not quite as good but never changes. Isn't it like Apple to choose the former and like the masses to cry for the latter? ;)

Note that if the antennas were designed to be inside the case as opposed to being part of it, they would likely have a loss somewhere between the best (unloaded) and worst (loaded) performance of the existing antenna. It's all an engineering tradeoff.

The best solution is to not touch the antennas at the gap (Steve is right) or to buy a phone cover that keeps your high-permittivity sausages away from the RF sensitive areas. Apple made the trade off for you and in my opinion it is a novel and good one, provided it can survive the bad PR generated by the griping gap grippers.


Hey! Reasoned posts like this have no place in an Apple-bashing thread!

/cheap case for my iPhone 4 from Best Buy
//which I would have bought anyway because- the phone is frikking made of glass, front and back!
///reception issues solved
////Jobs is still a douche.
 
2010-06-28 07:51:21 PM  
Good to see all the Apple-haters out in force ready to chastise Apple and Steve Jobs for every little mistake. You guys fail to realize that the man is a pioneer and not afraid to screw up when trying to bring the most innovative products out to market. The man is certainly brilliant. Every other company can only try to imitate the iphone's success and fan dedication. What has Microsoft turned out in the past 5-10 years? Windows 7?! (Gag) Oh, maybe we'll one day have a phone that runs on Linux and everything will be right with the world. Whatwas that? Oh, it was the sound of a bunch of nerdy OS-philes simultaneously blowing their loads to someone even mentioning the word Linux (oops I did it again. We'll need a shiatload of Kleenex now)
 
2010-06-28 07:51:24 PM  

MisterSpoot: The technical explanation for the variation in signal strength found when closing the iPhone's case gaps with one's fingers is, that the antennas are being "loaded".


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2010-06-28 07:51:43 PM  

meatofmystery: heinekenftw: When I was shopping for a laptop at best buy, I saw an iBook for $1400. It had less ram, less speed, and less everything else, than the Toshiba that I bought for $700.

heh, my Toshiba blows my girlfriend's MacBook Pro out of the water in terms of specs, and it cost under 800 VS the 2GRAND she paid for the Mac


I think I read that wrong at first.

/shudder
 
2010-06-28 07:51:45 PM  

Big Al: $300 for a phone that work well, has more apps, great features, and good quality, as opposed to fanboys who spend hundreds on a new version of windows


LOLWUT? Windows 7 costs $99. But what does that have to do with anything? Saying Apple made a buggy, expensive phone doesn't make someone a Microsoft fanboy.
 
2010-06-28 07:52:20 PM  
meatofmystery Quote 2010-06-28 07:46:36 PM

heh, my Toshiba blows my girlfriend's MacBook Pro out of the water in terms of specs, and it cost under 800 VS the 2GRAND she paid for the Mac

>>>

feel free to post comparing specs
 
2010-06-28 07:52:33 PM  
the rumor is that the "software fix" will just cause the phone to display a false reception signal.
 
2010-06-28 07:52:47 PM  

meatofmystery: Big Al: $300 for a phone that work well, has more apps, great features, and good quality, as opposed to fanboys who spend hundreds on a new version of windows

more apps = quality? yeah, ok.


Android is also very close to the number of iPhone apps. And they are not tied to some Nazi store. Again, I don't care what phone anyone uses. It would be nice if you could make a call on it though.
 
2010-06-28 07:53:48 PM  

MisterSpoot: The technical explanation for the variation in signal strength found when closing the iPhone's case gaps with one's fingers is, that the antennas are being "loaded". The loading from fingers, a material with a high relative permittivity of ~50 at 2 GHz, changes the input impedance and resonant frequency of the antenna resulting in loss.

If I had to take an educated guess, I suspect pressing one's fingers across the gap increases the gap capacitance and changes the feed input impedance and electrical length of the antenna. It is analogous to holding on to a piano wire with two fingers while it is being struck. Its resonant frequency will shift and its quality factor will drop, resulting in a sound that is off key and muffled.

A solution often employed in the field is to preload an antenna. Preloading is including a large permittivity in the design, so when a human puts it close to their body, there isn't a significant change. The down side of this is that it often reduces bandwidth and efficiency. So you can either have a great antenna that takes a hit when your fingers are near it or have one that is not quite as good but never changes. Isn't it like Apple to choose the former and like the masses to cry for the latter? ;)

Note that if the antennas were designed to be inside the case as opposed to being part of it, they would likely have a loss somewhere between the best (unloaded) and worst (loaded) performance of the existing antenna. It's all an engineering tradeoff.

The best solution is to not touch the antennas at the gap (Steve is right) or to buy a phone cover that keeps your high-permittivity sausages away from the RF sensitive areas. Apple made the trade off for you and in my opinion it is a novel and good one, provided it can survive the bad PR generated by the griping gap grippers.


You are trolling it the wrong way.
 
2010-06-28 07:53:55 PM  

The sad thing is when Steve Jobs is no longer running Apple, that company will become what it was during the years Steve wasn't there. You think there's anyone out there who can run Apple like he does?


That's when you'll see Apple make really crappy products. This reception issue is nothing compared to the first iPhone made without Jobs' input.

 
2010-06-28 07:54:24 PM  

CanuckAmok: Keep drinkin' it up Fanboys, keep drinkin'it up...


Are you suggesting that favoring apple products will lead to participation in group suicide that may include poisoning children? I will draw the line before that happens. I will rise from my seat and knock the Dixie cups right out of the hands of the evil-doers. But, yes, I still intend to affix an apple sticker to the rear window of my truck.
 
2010-06-28 07:54:47 PM  
dopirt
2010-06-28 07:35:22 PM


***
I agree with you. I have a BB and I'm right handed. I don't normally even hold my phone up to my ear anyway. (I use speaker allot). But for web, email, texting and on calls I am usually holding my BB in my left hand.
 
2010-06-28 07:55:46 PM  

Gordian Cipher: Kublai Khan: Like it matters. If Steve Jobs crapped in a bucket and called it the iTurd, Apple fanboys would queue up for hours to pay $500 for it and somehow convince themselves that they're sticking it to the man.


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/Imma make more specific ones.
 
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