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(womensenews.org)   Women are dropping out of IT fields faster than they can knit little booties and make dinner for the family   (womensenews.org) divider line 158
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2010-06-26 07:54:18 PM
Did the escalator move for anybody else while reading that?

www.womensenews.org
 
2010-06-26 07:55:55 PM
'Dad why are wedding dresses white?'

The father looks at his son in surprise and says:

'Son, all household appliances come in white.'
 
2010-06-26 08:03:12 PM
It's true in my experience. I know one who went up the corporate ladder, but only a half dozen others who are all trying to get out.

The vast majority are male... and at least in the departments I've worked in, it hasn't been a case of the 'old boys club' keeping them out.
 
2010-06-26 08:03:36 PM
MaverickRL: 'Dad why are wedding dresses white?'

The father looks at his son in surprise and says:

'Son, all household appliances come in white.'


I love that joke.
 
2010-06-26 08:12:00 PM
well..... bye.
 
2010-06-26 08:15:32 PM
Nerdy girls are hot.
 
2010-06-26 08:26:54 PM
MaverickRL: 'Dad why are wedding dresses white?'

The father looks at his son in surprise and says:

'Son, all household appliances come in white.'


Because the dish washer should match the refrigerator.

Cankle pic?
 
2010-06-26 08:29:05 PM
Yeah I'd really want to work with a bunch of men with ass-burgers syndrome....
 
2010-06-26 08:30:12 PM
I work in IT. My boss, her boss, and about 70% of my coworkers are female.

\\cool story bro
 
2010-06-26 08:35:11 PM
bark_atda_moon: I work in IT. My boss, her boss, and about 70% of my coworkers are female.

\\cool story bro


I'm now not the only woman in our (relatively small) business. The other one's the new receptionist.

/She works harder than I do :)
 
2010-06-26 08:37:57 PM
Thank god. It'll go from 99.5% male back to 99.8% male..Whew. We almost lost the status quo there..
 
2010-06-26 08:38:09 PM
Alright. Now that I've read TFA, I can agree in part. It's been going on the whole time, and depends entirely on the shop. It's merely gotten more noticeable now that things are tight. I liken it to being the GF right after a guy's dated a total hosebeast. You have to deal with whatever preconceived ideas about women that she put in his head. Ditto for your bosses or co-workers who've dealt with other women in the business. If they were good and professional, you're golden. If they were glorified secretaries, that's what you'll get treated as.
 
2010-06-26 08:43:53 PM
bark_atda_moon: I work in IT. My boss, her boss, and about 70% of my coworkers are female.

\\cool story bro


Where do I send my application?
 
2010-06-26 08:44:07 PM
Unsung_Hero: It's true in my experience. I know one who went up the corporate ladder, but only a half dozen others who are all trying to get out.

The vast majority are male... and at least in the departments I've worked in, it hasn't been a case of the 'old boys club' keeping them out.


In a lot of fields that's a major factor in the so-called "glass ceiling." Right at the point when a man would be hitting his stride and going up the promotion track is about the time a lot of ladies give in to their biological clock and start having babies.

Inflammatory, true, but there is evidence of it.
 
2010-06-26 08:44:15 PM
api.ning.com
 
2010-06-26 08:45:26 PM
who gives a shiat. there's a reason women aren't naturally drawn to math and scientific fields

/biology, people. why would we evolve to have equal talent in each possible field?
 
2010-06-26 08:46:32 PM
I would total hit that chick in BHShaman's post.
 
2010-06-26 08:49:43 PM
FTA:
The report shows about half the women who leave science, engineering and tech jobs continue to use their technology skills, either starting their own companies or finding positions in government or nonprofits. The others, however, say goodbye to their extensive training, taking non-tech jobs or leaving the work force completely.

Ashcraft said women are discouraged and leave for a wide range of blatant and subtle reasons.

Women's pay, after 15 years, is 11 percent less than men with comparable experience.


I don't suspect that IT treats women any worse than other fields. Are they leaving for raises elsewhere? I don't get it.
 
2010-06-26 08:49:57 PM
I'm Your Alt: I would total hit that chick in BHShaman's post.

Hell yeah. The girl in the striped shirt behind her can watch too.
 
2010-06-26 08:54:36 PM
i245.photobucket.com
 
2010-06-26 08:55:07 PM
IT sucks. Why would women want a job that sucks? Pay is shiat, expectations are impossible, and morons wander the halls sowing destruction.
 
2010-06-26 08:59:29 PM
If men could marry engineer women and suddenly own half their wealth instead of getting the degrees and earning those things for ourselves, WE WOULD.
 
2010-06-26 09:02:04 PM
www.slappehap.nl
 
2010-06-26 09:04:01 PM
Have not had a single female apply for any job openings in my department in 3 years.

sure would have rathered pick almost anyone besides the two dead enders I was forced but upper management to take.
 
2010-06-26 09:06:09 PM
AmazingRuss: IT sucks. Why would women want a job that sucks? Pay is shiat, expectations are impossible, and morons wander the halls sowing destruction.

This.

The lack of IT women just show that they are smarter, and have greater goals in life then designing the perfect database query, or the ultimate Active Directory Forest.

/former IT monkey
 
2010-06-26 09:07:57 PM
I work with a variety of smart, talented women in my 80,000 person global technology company. Some of the biggest problems I deal with are female managers, especially female IT managers.Many of them are just in over their heads, and have difficultly getting help from some the support they need. It makes for a more antagonistic environment than needed, and women tend to be more "emotional" in stressful situations.
 
2010-06-26 09:09:45 PM
guiglette.net
 
2010-06-26 09:11:29 PM
fashaddict.files.wordpress.com
 
2010-06-26 09:15:44 PM
images.teamsugar.com
 
2010-06-26 09:17:28 PM
I don't know, it seems to be 6 of one, half a dozen of another.

I was in my dentist's office last week and every one of the hygienist staff was female, as least all of them that I could identify. Is that job tremendously better than IT? Perhaps it pays really well, but I wouldn't be looking forward to it. It does make sense though, since both female and male patients would be comfortable with a female hygienist.
 
2010-06-26 09:18:22 PM
www.sefermpost.com
 
2010-06-26 09:23:01 PM
AmazingRuss: IT sucks. Why would women want a job that sucks? Pay is shiat, expectations are impossible, and morons wander the halls sowing destruction.

Been in IT in the Midwest for about twenty years, ten in consulting. So, two things:

- getting a kick out of these replies
- THIS!

Women in IT tend to be extremely bright, and in my experience, they often are bright enough to get out after the first horrid life-sucking project.

/not all projects are like that
//it doesn't take long to find one, though
 
2010-06-26 09:24:59 PM
So....

Being a white woman is not enough. Grants, student loans just for women. Then you got hired 'cause it's the law to have x amount of women to x amount of men. So, you got 'special mentoring' from the others at the 'good' job.

Then the new company knows the people they are asking questions to; people that have been there longer but happen to be men, and you get pissed 'cause you are not called on enough.

This is a double twist.

1.) They ask you tons of questions, and you stumble for answers. So you feel they are picking on you.

2.) They ask a more qualified person, and you whine 'cause they don't call on you. So you feel they are picking on you.

Grow a pair or stay home.
 
2010-06-26 09:27:21 PM
www.sefermpost.com
 
2010-06-26 09:27:26 PM
steveGswine: Women in IT tend to be extremely bright, and in my experience, they often are bright enough to get out after the first horrid life-sucking project.

So do most men. I deal with the technical aspects of information security. Women tend to deal with the policy aspects of information security. The simple fact is that most of IT is a commodity business and so you find that its mainly men laying pipes. Its no different then any other industry.
 
2010-06-26 09:32:46 PM
Harry_Seldon: Some of the biggest problems I deal with are female managers, especially female IT managers.

In my (admittedly limited) experience, women make terrible managers. They tend to hire and promote other women over men regardless of ability. Every single female manager I've ever had was also extremely passive aggressive. Not to mention marginally competent.

For example: I once missed half a day of work due to car trouble (couldn't get my car to start and had no one to give me a ride). My female manager decided I was lying (based on absolutely nothing) and wrote me up for it. The best part was she waited two weeks to actually write me up (because she thought I slighted her some how and she needed an excuse to 'punish' me). That type of behavior is indicative of the nature of pretty much every female manager I've ever had. Completely unprofessional.

I'm not saying all women are incompetent or terrible managers. But every single one I've had/seen/heard about has been. That includes female managers of friends/family.

However, I've had 3-4 times more male managers and supervisors over the years and the terrible male managers I've had are significantly outnumbered by the terrible female managers.

/Cue other people's contradicting statements, personal attacks, and contrary anecdotal experiences.
 
2010-06-26 09:33:23 PM
Okay, a few things:
One, it seems like some people are confused on the difference between a "nerd" and a "hipster". Too many hipster chick pics in this thread.
Two, CSB time. Pretty much all of the senior management in my IT department is female. And while the guys in the trenches are still mostly guys, the ratio is far more even than it is in most places. And a lot of our female programmers are old school mainframe folks.

This is in Pittsburgh, as a note.

//And, holy shiat, this thread is sexist.
 
2010-06-26 09:35:54 PM
I know a woman at a Company I Won't Name who literally slept her way to the top.

No really, women actually do that in real life, and it works.
 
2010-06-26 09:36:18 PM
t3knomanser: //And, holy shiat, this thread is sexy.

FTFY...

MOAR PICTURES PLEAZE!
 
2010-06-26 09:36:40 PM
bravian: so you find that its mainly men laying pipes

Fap?
 
2010-06-26 09:41:17 PM
I prefer a 50/50 environment. Both the guys and girls tend to be on slightly better behaviour in each other's presence.

A room full of women usually turns into a gossip-fest with hidden agendas to climb the social pecking order. A room full of men usually turns into a locker room discussion of the women elsewhere in the building.

Mix them together, and if they're not running around trying to fark each other you actually get more work done than you would in a single-sex environment.
 
2010-06-26 09:43:16 PM
The article is a worthless anecdote; one woman's claim that her career failure is due to sexism, followed by some statistics that women rarely work in IT, hoping that idiot readers will connect the two and conclude women are driven out of IT by sexism.

Please.
 
2010-06-26 09:48:26 PM
This thread may seem sexist....and perhaps it is.

Almost all of the women I have met in IT are...well...usually asking the guys how to perform their job duties. In all fairness - that's just my observation.

But this my friends, is indisputable:

www.digitaljournal.com

=

www.barack-obama-now.com

/friggin hawtleenked
 
2010-06-26 09:48:32 PM
Yeah women are more geared to function with humans, IT people like dealing with computers because they can be figured out and there are always second chances. There are some other females in my company but it is around 1 female to every 2 males.
 
2010-06-26 09:53:57 PM
As the primary picture poster, all those ladies are nerds, including but not limited to; the producer of Assassin's Creed, Owner of an online Women's Business and coder, genuine office mate, etc.


"In 2008, women in tech made an average salary of $70,370, .......... men's pay during the same time period was $80,357."

As a person who hires professional staff, in my anecdotal experience the main difference in pay between gender's is based on the willingness of females to accept the first offer. Males almost always demand 10% more that the first offer as part of the hiring process. That would also make your statement that the pay difference can reach 11% after 15 years the expectation, not the exception.

Personnel is under no obligation to 'pay women more'. If I have completely equal applicants with the only exception being that applicant B asked for $10k more in wages than applicant A, I would hire applicant A for less. I would not offer to match the starting pay that applicant B requested, I would instead save my company $10,000 and hire a completely qualified applicant at the lesser wage. Gender would make no difference in that decision, fiscal responsibility would. It just so happens that often Applicant A is a women and Applicant B is a man.
 
2010-06-26 09:55:12 PM
AmazingRuss: IT sucks. Why would women want a job that sucks? Pay is shiat, expectations are impossible, and morons wander the halls sowing destruction.

Compared to the secretarial pool or retail? You have GOT to be kidding.

IT is at least a fairly stable respectable job with advancement possibilities.
 
2010-06-26 09:58:07 PM
t3knomanser: And, holy shiat, this thread is sexist.

It's fark. You're surprised?
 
2010-06-26 09:59:53 PM
itazurakko: t3knomanser: And, holy shiat, this thread is sexist.

It's fark. You're surprised?


I'm surprised no farkette has made me a sandwich yet! =p
 
2010-06-26 10:00:34 PM
itazurakko: AmazingRuss: IT sucks. Why would women want a job that sucks? Pay is shiat, expectations are impossible, and morons wander the halls sowing destruction.

Compared to the secretarial pool or retail? You have GOT to be kidding.

IT is at least a fairly stable respectable job with advancement possibilities.


IT has some fantastic perks in my industry, too. Flexible hours and low attire expectations = win.
 
2010-06-26 10:01:33 PM
itazurakko: t3knomanser: And, holy shiat, this thread is sexist.

It's fark. You're surprised?


itazurakko: t3knomanser: And, holy shiat, this thread is sexist.

It's fark. You're surprised?


Actually I'm kind of surprised. It's computers. People like to be around people who find the same things interesting. But apparently computers and women don't mix now? This is kind of new for Fark.
 
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