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(The New York Times)   Next time someone tells you they were valedictorian of their high school class, be sure to ask them how many "co-valedictorians" there were that year   (nytimes.com) divider line 150
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2010-06-26 01:43:23 PM
All part of the "Participation Award" culture that has doomed my prospects for employees for generations.

Anyone under 30 is pretty much unhireable and now it looks like that trend is only getting worse...
 
2010-06-26 01:46:44 PM
xynix: All part of the "Participation Award" culture that has doomed my prospects for employees for generations.

Anyone under 30 is pretty much unhireable and now it looks like that trend is only getting worse...


I'm 34 and need a job in Atlanta. I have no degrees, am pretty unmotivated, and call out sick 2 or 3 times a month. But I don't pee on the seat in the bathrooms.
 
2010-06-26 01:51:48 PM
Roook: xynix: All part of the "Participation Award" culture that has doomed my prospects for employees for generations.

Anyone under 30 is pretty much unhireable and now it looks like that trend is only getting worse...

I'm 34 and need a job in Atlanta. I have no degrees, am pretty unmotivated, and call out sick 2 or 3 times a month. But I don't pee on the seat in the bathrooms.



Can you start Monday?
 
2010-06-26 02:02:19 PM
Bunnyhat: Roook: xynix: All part of the "Participation Award" culture that has doomed my prospects for employees for generations.

Anyone under 30 is pretty much unhireable and now it looks like that trend is only getting worse...

I'm 34 and need a job in Atlanta. I have no degrees, am pretty unmotivated, and call out sick 2 or 3 times a month. But I don't pee on the seat in the bathrooms.


Can you start Monday?


Can I have Monday off and start Tuesday?
 
2010-06-26 02:12:13 PM
I think my graduating class had 8 or 9 valedictorians, but to be fair they all had 4.4-4.5 GPAs and there were at least 800 people in my class. If they made everyone with an A+ average valedictorian there would have been damn near 100 people on the stage.
 
2010-06-26 02:44:22 PM
Roook: Bunnyhat: Roook: xynix: All part of the "Participation Award" culture that has doomed my prospects for employees for generations.

Anyone under 30 is pretty much unhireable and now it looks like that trend is only getting worse...

I'm 34 and need a job in Atlanta. I have no degrees, am pretty unmotivated, and call out sick 2 or 3 times a month. But I don't pee on the seat in the bathrooms.


Can you start Monday?

Can I have Monday off and start Tuesday?



Sure, go ahead. You're over 30 now so I have to imagine you know WTF to do. Just come in and get to work when you can. It's a salaried position and I'm not going to supervise your work that often.
 
2010-06-26 03:57:15 PM
Why do girls wear sunglasses that cover half their face?
 
2010-06-26 04:21:44 PM
PPL_Wannabe: Why do girls wear sunglasses that cover half their face?

Looking at the picture I don't think we're missing anything.

But yeah good question. I think it started with those two anorexic chicks that were on that TV show as babies.. whatever the hell they're called. The quaker twins or something.
 
2010-06-26 04:35:56 PM
PPL_Wannabe: Why do girls wear sunglasses that cover half their face?

So no one sees they had to be told twice.
 
2010-06-26 04:48:01 PM
Just one, and it was me!
 
2010-06-26 04:51:11 PM
See what happens when you make school "easier" for the students who are unwilling to actually learn?
 
2010-06-26 04:51:49 PM
6 in mine.

Most were on the academic decathlon team. They one states and got free rides at a certain in-state university. I'm pretty sure all were on the band and at least one sports team as well.

Straights As from kindergarten. Oh, and some were taking college credits as well.
 
2010-06-26 04:52:32 PM
What in the world is the point of this?

/wasn't a valedictorian
//barely in the top 50% of her graduating class
 
2010-06-26 04:52:37 PM
My dad's Californian by birth, and he went to college in Kansas. He told me how intimidated he felt when every other student he meant turned out to have been the valedictorian of his or her high school. You couldn't throw a rock there without hitting some valedictorian.

Turns out this was just because they all came from small town high schools with a graduating class of four people. Dad relaxed after that.

/cool story, bro
 
2010-06-26 04:53:51 PM
My oldest just graduated a couple of weeks ago and the first row and a half were "valedictorians". None of them wanted to speak so the class voted on speeches and elected a speaker that wasn't a member of the "valedictorian" group. Seemed telling of the value of the label, in a way.
 
2010-06-26 04:54:47 PM
Who's really bragging about being a HS valedictorian anymore in an interview? Maybe you can wash the fancier dishes with that honor. Crow about graduating Summa/Magna Cum Laude; you know when you've proven a bit more than being able to color in the lines.
 
2010-06-26 04:55:01 PM
Here's an idea. Make the person with the HIGHEST marks the valedictorian. Or have the staff/students pick one person.
 
2010-06-26 04:55:32 PM
1 valedictorian. Beat out his twin sister by .10 of a point. Several Salutorians though.
 
2010-06-26 04:56:09 PM
xynix: All part of the "Participation Award" culture that has doomed my prospects for employees for generations.

Anyone under 30 is pretty much unhireable and now it looks like that trend is only getting worse...


Not everyone. 26 and worked my butt off for what I have. Didn't get a participation trophy. I know I'm not special or unique or even remotely awesome.

I've called off sick 2x in the last 4 years. I've moved across the country because I'd rather move and find a new job than collect unemployment for a single day.

I know I have to work my way up and don't think I'm worthy of managing anyone until I prove myself. In the office before my boss and leave only after he does.

/Cool story
//Off to the gym in a few minutes
 
2010-06-26 04:56:30 PM
Is this the result of the whole "everybody gets a trophy" mentality of the dirty hippie culture of helicopter soccer moms and how we can't offend the children by making them feel as inferior as they are. Or is this just a freak thing that this school happened to have a bunch of driven successful students?
 
2010-06-26 04:56:41 PM
xynix: All part of the "Participation Award" culture that has doomed my prospects for employees for generations.

Anyone under 30 is pretty much unhireable and now it looks like that trend is only getting worse...


I've found it the opposite here in Atlanta. I've had more than one indication that they want young and degreed instead of older and skilled.
 
2010-06-26 04:57:51 PM
That's sad in a way. Whatever happened to I'm number one you're not . Like that pizza hut commercial where the coach takes them out for pizza when they lose. What kind of crap is that
 
2010-06-26 04:58:03 PM
xynix: All part of the "Participation Award" culture that has doomed my prospects for employees for generations.

Anyone under 30 is pretty much unhireable and now it looks like that trend is only getting worse...


Only problem is with awarding the best, the rest are all doomed to miserable lives. No one is going to hire someone who isn't the best when there are thousands out there who are far better. And for them, all that awaits is homelessness and forced "bum fights" that the rich and police enforce or they just kill them. After all, the they're superior and the rich and powerful can get away with anything.
Scary world we live in.
 
2010-06-26 04:58:07 PM
Once at my high school, a family moved into our area for the sole and deliberate purpose of transferring their rising senior son from his old school (class size ~ 800) to ours (class size = 250) so he'd have a better shot of being valedictorian. Dick move.

/3rd in my class
 
2010-06-26 04:58:31 PM
I went to a school that close to 500 graduated my year. We had only one. There shouldn't be more than one, if so, it should be up to a duel.

/under 30 and yes I do see how my generation deserves the stigma it has gotten
 
2010-06-26 04:58:56 PM
titwrench: Is this the result of the whole "everybody gets a trophy" mentality of the dirty hippie culture of helicopter soccer moms and how we can't offend the children by making them feel as inferior as they are. Or is this just a freak thing that this school happened to have a bunch of driven successful students?

In my case the students were all dual-enrollment/AP kids who had over 4.0's. Not trying to justify the deal, but none of the kids awarded the label were there because they took normal track classes.
 
2010-06-26 05:00:09 PM
xynix: All part of the "Participation Award" culture that has doomed my prospects for employees for generations.

Done in one. I predict in ten years, everyone will be a "valedictorian".
 
2010-06-26 05:01:20 PM
At my high school, the policy was that the graduating class votes for who receives the title. The girl who got into Harvard didn't get the nod; it was a dolt from the hockey team who barely passed his courses.
 
2010-06-26 05:01:24 PM
cotb: titwrench: Is this the result of the whole "everybody gets a trophy" mentality of the dirty hippie culture of helicopter soccer moms and how we can't offend the children by making them feel as inferior as they are. Or is this just a freak thing that this school happened to have a bunch of driven successful students?

In my case the students were all dual-enrollment/AP kids who had over 4.0's. Not trying to justify the deal, but none of the kids awarded the label were there because they took normal track classes.


A million years ago when I was in high school you couldn't be a valedictorian unless you were in the AP classes and reached certain levels in math and science etc.
 
2010-06-26 05:01:43 PM
buk110: xynix: All part of the "Participation Award" culture that has doomed my prospects for employees for generations.

Anyone under 30 is pretty much unhireable and now it looks like that trend is only getting worse...

Not everyone. 26 and worked my butt off for what I have. Didn't get a participation trophy. I know I'm not special or unique or even remotely awesome.

I've called off sick 2x in the last 4 years. I've moved across the country because I'd rather move and find a new job than collect unemployment for a single day.

I know I have to work my way up and don't think I'm worthy of managing anyone until I prove myself. In the office before my boss and leave only after he does.

/Cool story
//Off to the gym in a few minutes


That's admirable. I'm a year older and you know what? I just don't care about spending that much time at work. I have other things I want to do. I mean, I go to work, I work hard and I'm good at what I do. I don't go in early, I don't stay late, and I really don't care about advancement or managing folks. I'm just not a workaholic. I'm not lazy, I'm not unmotivated, but you know, there's more to life than work, showing off for bosses and then getting canned. Good work ethic though.
 
2010-06-26 05:02:07 PM
silgryphon: That's sad in a way. Whatever happened to I'm number one you're not . Like that pizza hut commercial where the coach takes them out for pizza when they lose. What kind of crap is that

Yeah. Maybe if they ate healthier food they'd have a chance to win a game.
 
2010-06-26 05:02:10 PM
As a college graduate with double Magna Cum Laudes I'm really getting a kick out of these replies...

/Fark HS. Lowest 25%.
 
2010-06-26 05:02:33 PM
Ken VeryBigLiar: Who's really bragging about being a HS valedictorian anymore in an interview? Maybe you can wash the fancier dishes with that honor. Crow about graduating Summa/Magna Cum Laude; you know when you've proven a bit more than being able to color in the lines.

But those who don't get the best every time either end up homeless, or in jobs that pay so little that homelessness is their only option still.
What's worse, in the US, the rich abuse those in lower paying jobs, beatings, killings, abuse of the homeless or inferior is technically illegal, but the police turn a blind eye, because who cares, they're just inferior. They'd kill us without batting an eye if they thought it could make more money. Wait... they already do. And there's nothing we can do but wait until they decide to take us out this time...
 
2010-06-26 05:03:53 PM
titwrench: Or is this just a freak thing that this school happened to have a bunch of driven successful students?

Oh sure, that's entirely possible, but these crotchety old farks? No way in hell they'll admit that.

If you have 10 kids who all managed to get the exact same GPA, who is to say any one of them is the "real" valedictorian?

And if a school takes away valedictorian position for some reason or another? These same guys will come in and complain about babying snowflakes and whatnot.

HEY OLD PEOPLE, YOU'RE NOT THE FIRST GENERATION TO THINK THE NEXT IS A BUNCH OF SLACKERS AND FAILURES. IN FACT, PRETTY MUCH EVERY GENERATION THINKS THAT.


/Angry
//Slacked off in high school, somehow got into a good college
///Might be unemployable due to being overqualified.
 
2010-06-26 05:04:11 PM
Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: As a college graduate with double Magna Cum Laudes I'm really getting a kick out of these replies...

/Fark HS. Lowest 25%.


Can I touch you?
 
2010-06-26 05:04:38 PM
lol... This is so f*cking stupid. They started this whole everyone is a winner bs when I was in elementary school back in the mid 80's... I remember they started giving everyone ribbons for participation for everything from science fair to the end of the year athletic gym presidential fitness competition crap around second grade. As a kid back then we still evened things out... anyone with a green ribbon was a loser... period. I accepted that... I wasn't good at physical stuff and would always get the stupid green ribbons and all of the athletic kids would tease me. I was good at science and math, so when science fair or math competition came around I would get first or second place and laugh at all the losers with green ribbons. The only thing the green participation ribbons did was make it easier for kids to point out which kids to make fun of that day.
 
2010-06-26 05:05:50 PM
titwrench: cotb: titwrench: Is this the result of the whole "everybody gets a trophy" mentality of the dirty hippie culture of helicopter soccer moms and how we can't offend the children by making them feel as inferior as they are. Or is this just a freak thing that this school happened to have a bunch of driven successful students?

In my case the students were all dual-enrollment/AP kids who had over 4.0's. Not trying to justify the deal, but none of the kids awarded the label were there because they took normal track classes.

A million years ago when I was in high school you couldn't be a valedictorian unless you were in the AP classes and reached certain levels in math and science etc.


A million and one years ago for me, but what you say was true in my experience as well. So what if there are 20 of those kids all with 4.30 (random number)? Vote? Pool cue death-match? Draw straws? Change the name?
 
2010-06-26 05:06:41 PM
There were two valedictorians in my graduating class. I barely graduated with a 2.9 GPA. I'm now an artist making good money, working whatever hours I please and spend most of those hours goofing off. The two valedictorians? In their sixth or seventh year of college, neck-deep in student loan debt, and the last time I met them they appeared burnt out and miserable.

So forgive me if I don't see what the big deal is.
 
2010-06-26 05:07:13 PM
By the way whose idea was it to put pretzels inside of M&M's? I want to shoot them.
 
2010-06-26 05:08:03 PM
Eshkar: lol... This is so f*cking stupid. They started this whole everyone is a winner bs when I was in elementary school back in the mid 80's... I remember they started giving everyone ribbons for participation for everything from science fair to the end of the year athletic gym presidential fitness competition crap around second grade. As a kid back then we still evened things out... anyone with a green ribbon was a loser... period. I accepted that... I wasn't good at physical stuff and would always get the stupid green ribbons and all of the athletic kids would tease me. I was good at science and math, so when science fair or math competition came around I would get first or second place and laugh at all the losers with green ribbons. The only thing the green participation ribbons did was make it easier for kids to point out which kids to make fun of that day.

I remember back in elementary in the 90s where those who got participation ribbons got the shiat beat out of them while teachers watched during recess. It was okay for them to hit you, but the moment you laid a hand on them, the teachers immediately put you in the longest detention possible. I'm sure if you watched, you could see them laughing.
It's a good life lesson. If you're weak, you're crushed without mercy. What a world we live in.
 
2010-06-26 05:08:17 PM
"When did we start saying that we should limit the honors so only one person gets the glory?" asked Joe Prisinzano, the Jericho principal.

When our education system was good enough that graduates knew what the word "valedictorian" means?

//Getting over a 4 in high school just means you have a pulse.
 
2010-06-26 05:08:28 PM
When I was in High School I heard about the valedictorian who went to college only to find everyone else on dorm room floor was a valedictorian. Now I know why.
 
2010-06-26 05:09:59 PM
xynix: Anyone under 30 is pretty much unhireable and now it looks like that trend is only getting worse...

Oh, and, I've noticed that I can usually tell that someone's under 25 or so just from scanning their resume. They're always "winner" of this or "leader" of that and such-and-such "cum laude", yet their job history is just a step up from waiting tables. Resumes are almost useless nowadays for indicating whether you want to hire someone. Two minutes into a phone screen you usually know, though.
 
2010-06-26 05:10:13 PM
xynix: All part of the "Participation Award" culture that has doomed my prospects for employees for generations.

Anyone under 30 is pretty much unhireable and now it looks like that trend is only getting worse...


Don't blame the kids. I doubt the principal who instituted the policy was under 30. Blame your own generation for farking shiat up.
 
2010-06-26 05:10:14 PM
thelordofcheese: 6 in mine.

Most were on the academic decathlon team. They one states


I take it you weren't one of them? :P



and got free rides at a certain in-state university. I'm pretty sure all were on the band and at least one sports team as well.

Straights As from kindergarten. Oh, and some were taking college credits as well.


Seriously though, I wonder where they are now? All mega-millionaire corporate CEOs, or burnt out, crazy and living in homeless shelters?
 
2010-06-26 05:10:28 PM
buk110: Not everyone. 26 and worked my butt off for what I have. Didn't get a participation trophy. I know I'm not special or unique or even remotely awesome.

I've called off sick 2x in the last 4 years. I've moved across the country because I'd rather move and find a new job than collect unemployment for a single day.


I know I have to work my way up and don't think I'm worthy of managing anyone until I prove myself. In the office before my boss and leave only after he does.,/i>


So it takes you more time to what everybody else does and you are afraid to be sick in case the see that you really don't contribute that much!

Ex HR Manager!
 
2010-06-26 05:10:49 PM
In my high school, if you took "advanced"-level classes or AP classes (basically all my classes 'cept gym), you didn't get any additional points on your GPA. Every single kid ahead of me specifically took the mid-level classes b/c it was easy A's and their parents wanted them to be at the top of the class.

/was still top 5
//don't give a shiat now, didn't give a shiat then
///really? your farking *parents* wanted to you to be valedictorian?

////really?

//i mean really? feck dude, it's high school.

o.o
 
2010-06-26 05:11:49 PM
cotb: titwrench: Is this the result of the whole "everybody gets a trophy" mentality of the dirty hippie culture of helicopter soccer moms and how we can't offend the children by making them feel as inferior as they are. Or is this just a freak thing that this school happened to have a bunch of driven successful students?

In my case the students were all dual-enrollment/AP kids who had over 4.0's. Not trying to justify the deal, but none of the kids awarded the label were there because they took normal track classes.


That's what it was like in my high school. There was a weighted GPA system for AP/Honors classes that make it out of 5.0 for those, but other classes were 4.0, and there was no Honors Gym or other bullshiat like that. In my graduating class I think we had 4 people who had straight As over four years taking as many honors classes as you could, and therefore they tied for valedictorian.

Granted, my high school pretty much invented grade inflation, and the vast majority of people took the honors classes to the point where "non-honors" pretty much meant remedial. Since I graduated, they've done perfected that system, and my sister's class six years later had 17 valedictorians.

Honestly, I have no problem with that method of determining valedictorian. My school didn't keep raw grade values, so all you had to go on was GPA. If people tied, they tied. Now, the fact that getting into/staying in the honors/AP track was a joke and that getting below a B- in a class required setting a teacher's car on fire is another thing entirely.

/Copyright, Brool Story Co.
 
2010-06-26 05:12:09 PM
I don't trust people who can do that much busywork.
 
2010-06-26 05:12:18 PM
Hey! I'm just happy I graduated with my 1.2 GPA and ½ credit to spare.

/Yeah, I saw one of those 4.0+ "valedictorians" a couple years back, he was begging on a street corner.
//Interestingly many of the well-to-do smart kids are now loooosers, while quite a few of the "bad kids" from my school are now "professionals.".
 
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