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(Yahoo)   "They took our jobs" "Here's a website where you can apply for harvest work usually done by immigrants. It's over 100 out, no overtime pay, and farms don't have to pay minimum wage." "...Wargarble"   (news.yahoo.com ) divider line
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2010-06-25 11:27:15 AM  
 
2010-06-25 11:49:37 AM  

HulkHands: ne2d: Can someone explain why people like farmers so much? I can't think of another industry that has anywhere near the undeserved reputation that agriculture does.

There is romanticized history of what farming was for your parent or grandparents, and what it is now.

/let that rot in the silo, we have to keep prices stable!


Also, the U.S. "grew up" on an agricultural economy.
 
2010-06-25 11:57:56 AM  
THEY DERK OUR JERBBBBBBBBZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
 
2010-06-25 11:59:17 AM  
Field work is good work, it builds character.

//Hoed beans a summer
///Trimmed at our Christmas tree farm, 5 cents a tree, 10 when they got bigger.
//watchout for the paper wasp nests hanging on the trees.
 
2010-06-25 12:00:04 PM  
Anyone who has ever read The Grapes of Wrath should find it a travesty that 70 years later laborers are still being treated like garbage in the agricultural sector.
 
2010-06-25 12:00:43 PM  

CaptainWes: THEY DERK OUR JERBBBBBBBBZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ


came for this, hoped for a pic, leaving... well, hungry.
 
2010-06-25 12:02:26 PM  
20 million illegals tend to depress wages. Throw out 20 million people who are willing to lie enter the country, lie to stay in the country, steal identities to work and ship home $12 billion or so a year to their home countries and see what happens to wage increases and job creation.

But that would be racist.
 
2010-06-25 12:03:24 PM  

ne2d: "Can someone explain why people like farmers so much? I can't think of another industry that has anywhere near the undeserved reputation that agriculture does."


One presumes you like to eat food from time to time? In case it never occurred to you, agriculture is somewhat important.
 
2010-06-25 12:04:17 PM  
Try picking potatoes. I lived in northern ME until I was 13. We got 6 weeks off in the fall from school to pick potatoes. You took a bus to the fields when it was still dark, worked until dusk on your hands and knees with a basket picking potatoes after the digger went by. Fark that was hard work. 55 cents a barrel at that time. Some bad-ass pickers would pick 100 barrels a day. School year was extended of course, good times.

Enforce the laws, and change them so farm workers get minimum wage and workers comp. Kick all illegals out. Problem solved. If nobody will take the jobs, the pay will go up as the market dictates.

I don't understand what is so hard about all this.
 
2010-06-25 12:05:00 PM  
Can you please advertise for a CEO job. I'm willing to take only 5 million a year instead of the usual 10 million.

good deal eh?
 
2010-06-25 12:05:05 PM  

canyoneer: ne2d: "Can someone explain why people like farmers so much? I can't think of another industry that has anywhere near the undeserved reputation that agriculture does."

One presumes you like to eat food from time to time? In case it never occurred to you, agriculture is somewhat important.


So is our sewage system, but they don't market SUVs and cigarettes using sewage workers.
 
2010-06-25 12:06:09 PM  

DistendedPendulusFrenulum: RockIsDead: Which is why they don't WANT to be made legal. Then they'd have to be paid legal wage and buhbye jobs.

Um, how would the fruits get picked?

.


Grow it all on a mountain side. Smooth the mountain until you can't walk on it. Schedule an earthquake at picking time and just collect all the sweet nectar at the base of the mountain.

\jeez, do I have to solve everything?
 
2010-06-25 12:06:16 PM  

CamelToe: I'd lie to see that leather-faced troll that is Governor of Arizona try her hand at this for a week or two.

If she couldn't hack it they could always tie her to a fencepost to scare birds, rodents, and small children away.


Don't forget, her father died helping the Nazi's.
 
2010-06-25 12:06:25 PM  
Oh to see the Palin Americans to go pick some Lettuce.
 
2010-06-25 12:06:27 PM  
Well in that case, back to the pile.

www.midseasonreplacements.com
 
2010-06-25 12:07:01 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: 20 million illegals tend to depress wages. Throw out 20 million people who are willing to lie enter the country, lie to stay in the country, steal identities to work and ship home $12 billion or so a year to their home countries and see what happens to wage increases and job creation.

But that would be racist.


You won't even notice because you'll be too busy wondering where all the food went.
 
2010-06-25 12:07:22 PM  

tricycleracer: So is our sewage system, but they don't market SUVs and cigarettes using sewage workers.


Chevy Like a Rock

Municipal Sanitation Can't you smell that smell

/it's all around you
 
2010-06-25 12:07:54 PM  
"Proponents of tougher immigration laws have argued that farmers have become used to cheap labor and don't want to raise wages enough to draw in other workers."

This says it all. Farmers are taking advantage of the situation, in some cases paying less than minimum wage. With out illegal immigrants, wages would rise.
 
2010-06-25 12:07:56 PM  
I detassled corn when I was a kid.

You know who else wears tassels?
gooddeedaday.files.wordpress.com
 
2010-06-25 12:08:17 PM  

Thoguh: make me some tea: stebain: make me some tea: Vital part of the survival of any country, I suppose.

So is infrastructure. Why can't we then make road workers and construction workers work for less than $5 an hour?

Most of us will survive without roads. We won't survive long without food, though.


I think you forget how the food gets to you.


Just like a city slicker. Would starve to death in a room full of canned food and a can opener.
 
2010-06-25 12:08:21 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: what_now: My mom had three children and an very large garden. Ask me about spending hours a day picking beans and weeding carrots.

I worked in a West Texas wine grape vineyard while looking for "real" employment. I was the only weddo (aside from the owner) in the field. Planting the new, pruning and training the old, setting the trellis working irrigation...Did some harvest too even after getting a "real" job. I was thankful for the work.



If God wanted Texans to make wine, he would have made bull piss red.
 
2010-06-25 12:08:27 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: 20 million illegals tend to depress wages. Throw out 20 million people who are willing to lie enter the country, lie to stay in the country, steal identities to work and ship home $12 billion or so a year to their home countries and see what happens to wage increases and job creation.

But that would be racist.


And then all the prices would go up. That shiatty food you like to eat at TGIF, yep them shiatty shrimp cocktails would go up. All that cheap fruit and veggies you can get at the store, yep prices would go up.
 
2010-06-25 12:08:30 PM  
Where's our $20 an hour lettuce picking jobs McCain promised???
 
2010-06-25 12:08:49 PM  

ne2d: Farm workers are excluded from federal overtime provisions, and small farms don't even have to pay the minimum wage. Fifteen states don't require farm labor to be covered by workers compensation laws.

Can someone explain why people like farmers so much? I can't think of another industry that has anywhere near the undeserved reputation that agriculture does.


I want to know also. Americans will do the job for the right price. Since the system is not forcing change upon them, no price increase no min. wage.
 
2010-06-25 12:08:57 PM  
Nice to see legal Americans are willing to take any job, do honest work rather than leech off the taxpayer.
 
2010-06-25 12:08:59 PM  

meat0918: watchout for the paper wasp nests hanging on the trees.


Same rule applies at grape harvest.
 
2010-06-25 12:09:10 PM  
It's over 100 out what?
 
2010-06-25 12:09:23 PM  

Keigh: CaptainWes: THEY DERK OUR JERBBBBBBBBZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

came for this, hoped for a pic, leaving... well, hungry.


Here ya go:

www.itusozluk.com
 
2010-06-25 12:09:43 PM  

Dahnkster: I detassled corn when I was a kid.

You know who else wears tassels?


Mustang go-karts? Awesome!
 
2010-06-25 12:09:51 PM  
Any other former corn detasselers out there? The lowliest migrant field worker is a robber baron compared to a farking corn detasseler.
 
2010-06-25 12:09:52 PM  
Illegal immigration is the great Noh drama of American political life.

All that "anger" is entirely artificial.

The easiest way to drive illegal immigration to 0: make the employers of illegals do time. Don't just arrest them. Convict 'em and make 'em do the time.
 
2010-06-25 12:10:09 PM  
Except, of course, that most people who are complaining about losing jobs to immigrants aren't complaining about harvest work. (Or just about illegal immigration.) It's cute that complaints over foreign competition for domestic jobs has been turned into a nebulous and difficult-to-counter meme that plays well on the likes of Fark, but ...
 
2010-06-25 12:11:44 PM  

make me some tea: In some places, yes. Don't forget though, we supported ourselves with agriculture for millenia before roads were built.


With a far, far smaller population and with current staples like fresh veggies and meat being relatively expensive.

Yes, farmers do important work, but the smart ones use a lot of technology now and only the ones who are too stubborn to quit are the ones laboring to survive.

And don't even get me started on farm subsidies. Listening to a politically conservative farmer biatch about welfare makes me want to go homicidal.
 
2010-06-25 12:11:51 PM  

sobernutz: And then all the prices would go up. That shiatty food you like to eat at TGIF, yep them shiatty shrimp cocktails would go up. All that cheap fruit and veggies you can get at the store, yep prices would go up.


Did you finish actually reading the thread yet?
 
2010-06-25 12:11:57 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Been there, done that. Some of the hardest and most rewarding work I've done.


Me too, paid for part of college with a summer in a cherry/apricot orchard. I've never eaten so many cherries, nor worked as hard in my life. (Start at 5, lugged as many 25lb bins of cherries as you could, usually 2-4 at a time to the tractor, and drove them away). The pickers started as soon as it was light enough to see, usually 4-4:30. Odd thing was even though it was very hard work, everyone was very happy, much happier than the folks who packed the fruit, and everyone there was vastly happier (but lower paid) than the folks at the retail job the next summer.
 
2010-06-25 12:12:15 PM  

Thunderpipes: Try picking potatoes. I lived in northern ME until I was 13. We got 6 weeks off in the fall from school to pick potatoes. You took a bus to the fields when it was still dark, worked until dusk on your hands and knees with a basket picking potatoes after the digger went by. Fark that was hard work. 55 cents a barrel at that time. Some bad-ass pickers would pick 100 barrels a day. School year was extended of course, good times.

Enforce the laws, and change them so farm workers get minimum wage and workers comp. Kick all illegals out. Problem solved. If nobody will take the jobs, the pay will go up as the market dictates.

I don't understand what is so hard about all this.


No one wants to actually punish those demanding the workers, i.e. the businesses.

Right now, there is very little disincentive to hire workers here illegally.

Start doing more than slapping the wrists of those that hire them.

//Also, prepare for food prices to increase as fines and higher wages drive them up.
 
2010-06-25 12:12:57 PM  

The_Sponge: If God wanted Texans to make wine, he would have made bull piss red.


Indeed.
 
2010-06-25 12:13:54 PM  
Apply? it should be mandated that fat, lazy slobs now on the govt teat only because they are fat and lazy slobs are now doing..
Up and down, stretch-stretch-stretch in the cabbage patch.
So, yeah, illegals GTFO.
2 major probs solved.
Next?
 
2010-06-25 12:13:58 PM  

CamelToe:

If she couldn't hack it they could always tie her to a fencepost to scare birds, rodents, and small children away.


Hopefully you are employed, because new keyboards cost money. Well, done.

/send it to MN
//two-day shipping is ok
 
2010-06-25 12:14:05 PM  
thanks!

/still hungry tho
//30 more minutes
 
2010-06-25 12:14:19 PM  

ne2d: Farm workers are excluded from federal overtime provisions, and small farms don't even have to pay the minimum wage. Fifteen states don't require farm labor to be covered by workers compensation laws.

Can someone explain why people like farmers so much? I can't think of another industry that has anywhere near the undeserved reputation that agriculture does.


Because they make our food.
 
2010-06-25 12:14:19 PM  

sandreckoner: Except, of course, that most people who are complaining about losing jobs to immigrants aren't complaining about harvest work.


The argument always turns to "they are doing jobs that Americans refuse to do". It's an unfair argument, because they skew (or remove) the marketplace of labor.
 
2010-06-25 12:14:31 PM  

sobernutz: And then all the prices would go up. That shiatty food you like to eat at TGIF, yep them shiatty shrimp cocktails would go up. All that cheap fruit and veggies you can get at the store, yep prices would go up.


As demonstrated above in this very thread, this isn't really true. We already can't consume all the food we produce (we're a huge net exporter of produce) and while prices may increase slightly, we're not talking double or triple. We're talking a few cents here and there.
 
2010-06-25 12:14:33 PM  
GOL DING IT, NO COMMA.
 
2010-06-25 12:14:40 PM  

meat0918: Thunderpipes: Try picking potatoes. I lived in northern ME until I was 13. We got 6 weeks off in the fall from school to pick potatoes. You took a bus to the fields when it was still dark, worked until dusk on your hands and knees with a basket picking potatoes after the digger went by. Fark that was hard work. 55 cents a barrel at that time. Some bad-ass pickers would pick 100 barrels a day. School year was extended of course, good times.

Enforce the laws, and change them so farm workers get minimum wage and workers comp. Kick all illegals out. Problem solved. If nobody will take the jobs, the pay will go up as the market dictates.

I don't understand what is so hard about all this.

No one wants to actually punish those demanding the workers, i.e. the businesses.

Right now, there is very little disincentive to hire workers here illegally.

Start doing more than slapping the wrists of those that hire them.

//Also, prepare for food prices to increase as fines and higher wages drive them up.



Why would my grocery store buy potatoes at an increased price? They can import them from overseas at comparable rates to what we have now. Expect your taxes to go up to increase farm subsidies instead.
 
2010-06-25 12:15:30 PM  

stebain: sobernutz: And then all the prices would go up. That shiatty food you like to eat at TGIF, yep them shiatty shrimp cocktails would go up. All that cheap fruit and veggies you can get at the store, yep prices would go up.

Did you finish actually reading the thread yet?


Not enough time, I have to be at the gym in 26 minutes.
 
2010-06-25 12:15:32 PM  

ne2d: Farm workers are excluded from federal overtime provisions, and small farms don't even have to pay the minimum wage. Fifteen states don't require farm labor to be covered by workers compensation laws.

Can someone explain why people like farmers so much? I can't think of another industry that has anywhere near the undeserved reputation that agriculture does.


I blame it on "Little House on the Prairie." Damn you, Michael Landon, damn you to hell!
 
2010-06-25 12:15:33 PM  

The-Brain: sweetmelissa31: Can you pick cheese and more meat?

You mean there are no bacon trees?


Careful....it could be a Ham bush!
 
2010-06-25 12:15:34 PM  

yakmans_dad: Illegal immigration is the great Noh drama of American political life.

All that "anger" is entirely artificial.

The easiest way to drive illegal immigration to 0: make the employers of illegals do time. Don't just arrest them. Convict 'em and make 'em do the time.


Ahh, the old liberal warghaballlerr whatever. Don't crack down on illegal aliens, they have rights, crack down on Americans! Why? Well they make it inviting to commit the crime of illegal entry!

Fark off.
 
2010-06-25 12:15:35 PM  
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