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2003-05-30 12:42:07 PM  
Well said. Unfortunately, as shown on fark, there are too many simple minded people out there.
 
2003-05-30 12:42:34 PM  
Wonder how many future terrorists that flight crew made? Are all of you gonna be crowing over the next WTC-level disaster video? Oh, I forgot, we took out Saddam, so there won't be anymore terr'ist attacks again, right?
 
2003-05-30 12:42:44 PM  
If you can't get the main link to work, there's other links on this board, there around and they work.

That was some good stuff if you ask me, this is what you call "jusatice" folks. Terrorists kill your people, so you kill those that would do the same. I don't understand how that's a hard concept to understand.

Also, about Jihad being a struggle, remember the book Hitler wrote? Know what it was called? Know what that means in English? Think about it.
 
2003-05-30 12:47:36 PM  
Big Al wrote

Nice Faux News spin. No wonder you consider yourself to be the master at arguing, you pick and choose pieces of peoples sentences. Next time, try copying and pasting the whole thing, troll.


Oh grow a sense of humor ya douche. It was a joke.
 
2003-05-30 12:48:43 PM  
"Also, about Jihad being a struggle, remember the book Hitler wrote? Know what it was called? Know what that means in English? Think about it."

ArmadilloTamer-
That sentence, quite unsuprisingly, shows how little you know about jihad, and your weak comparison to Hitler shows you know little else than what you've probably seen on tee-vee.
 
2003-05-30 12:54:38 PM  
They were people. They were HUMAN BEINGS.

no, they forfeited their humanity (and everything else) when they became terrorists.
 
2003-05-30 01:02:02 PM  
Damnit, I wish the Middle East and America were geographically closer. They would wipe each other out so much faster then.
 
2003-05-30 01:02:27 PM  
05-30-03 12:54:38 PM STRYPERSWINE

no, they forfeited their humanity (and everything else) when they became terrorists.


You sound pretty confident that everybody there was a "terrorist." BTW The Taliban isn't a terrorist organization.

Also, I bet the arabs cheering on 9-11 thought everybody who is American is part of the evil country. Broad generalizations are cool nowadays!
 
2003-05-30 01:39:46 PM  
05-30-03 01:02:27 PM Big Al
You sound pretty confident that everybody there was a "terrorist." BTW The Taliban isn't a terrorist organization.

Maybe not, but they bore a disturbing resemblance to Nazis. They made Sikhs and other minority groups wear IDENTIFYING BADGES on themselves at all times.

Here, Big Al, I've got a yellow Star-of-David picked out just for you.

/no sympathy for a thugocracy of religious bigots
 
2003-05-30 01:47:15 PM  
05-30-03 01:39:46 PM Lewis

Maybe not, but they bore a disturbing resemblance to Nazis. They made Sikhs and other minority groups wear IDENTIFYING BADGES on themselves at all times.


Yeah, those crazy bastards!!! Glad the US has the decent Saudi Arabia on their side who is all loving and non-oppressive!!
 
2003-05-30 01:48:05 PM  
Bill Maher was right, we are the cowards.
 
2003-05-30 01:48:13 PM  
Plus the US would never support such a crazy regime as the Taliban... never!
 
2003-05-30 01:55:15 PM  
Big Al, man, you sure do have a lot of spare time on your hands! :) And big balls...
Im gonna watch an interesting BBC documentary on TV this sunday... "Henry Kissinger on trial"....
 
2003-05-30 02:06:23 PM  
Being a computer tech has its benefits. great pay, lots of free time.

I'll try to catch Kissinger show if I remember. Sounds interesting.
 
2003-05-30 02:07:20 PM  
05-29-03 09:10:05 PM KaoticNewtral
"...man, we sure do make it easy to kill now. I wanna rejoin!"

Air Force Special Ops Command *is* an exciting line of work, but not the safest; in the AC130 video you can hear the pilot yelling "Flares!" every couple minutes. These things fly so low, slow, and predictably, since they have to move in a circle, that they are very vulnerable to AA fire (definitely including Stingers).

So while these highly trained and professional ladies and gentlemen may *make* it look easy, this is a very dangerous job for them.
 
2003-05-30 02:09:37 PM  
05-30-03 01:48:13 PM Big Al

Plus the US would never support such a crazy regime as the Taliban... never!


Actually, they wouldn't. The US never recognized the Taliban, nor did they give support to them. And yes, I am aware of the whole US giving xx million dollars to the taliban canard floating around (very misleading, the US have xx million dollars to the UN for humanitarian aid in afghanistan; if any of that money went to support the taliban, then it was misapproriated by them, not the US), as well as the argument some would make that goes something like: "because the US gave aid to the mujahideen to fight the russian invasion, and some of those mujahideen later formed the taliban, that that somehow implies the US supported the taliban.
 
2003-05-30 02:10:19 PM  
Good one, Big Al. Never miss a chance to take a cheap shot at the U.S., do ya?
Okay, here's a big, juicy, softball for you: The United States is the richest and most powerful nation in the world!

Go to town, my man!
/and have a good weekend
 
2003-05-30 02:14:23 PM  
Man you people need to get a grip here.

It's a video of WAR. That's what happens in a war, people die.

We have the best weapons to avoid getting ourselves killed, and to reduce "collateral damage". Why do you think we have smart bombs? It's to hit the enemy without hitting the entire neighborhood. It beats carpet bombing and killing a bunch of innocents, and is less expensive in the long run.

I'm sure you wouldn't mind seeing this video if you saw the ones of the Taliban beheading women in the middle of a crowd packed stadium.

It's WAR. If you don't like, which most don't, then don't watch it. That's Life, deal with it.
 
2003-05-30 02:18:21 PM  
The only thing that really surprises me in here is all the moralizing about US soldiers killing the enemy from a gunship quite untouchable from the air, and their taking enjoyment from it. For one, this is no different than cruise missiles or plain old field artillery. One can wax nostalgic for the honorable days of fighting when men met men with swords and axes on the field of battle, but times change, and once changed they aren't going back. I can imagine a bunch of people were none too happy at the thought of archers being able to kill an opponent from hundreds of yards away, or for that matter, armored cavalry that gave the rider a distinct advantage over the foot soldier. So it goes. As for the indifference and even glee of the soldiers, such sadism is nothing new in terms of war, and it's certainly not a uniquely american phenomenon. When you're against an opponent that wishes your death*, satisfaction and excitement from eliminating the chances of them doing so is quite rational.

*note: "your death" includes the following :you, your fellow soldiers, you're family and countrymen, etc.
 
Bf+
2003-05-30 02:20:17 PM  
Fish in a barrel.

Smart bombs cost MORE than carpet bombs-- Thats really the whole point.

If you don't like it, don't ignore it.
 
2003-05-30 03:00:52 PM  
Big Al, you should post a picture of yourself. That way, I'll know not to get on an airliner with you.


/shields up
 
2003-05-30 03:07:14 PM  
I love the way people confuse "Simple Minds" with "Common Sense". If the terrorists had not attacked us we would not be over there bombing their asses.

If we are so bad, why do we give MILLIONS in foreign aid every year to these third world idiots?

Let them cheer in the streets after 9-11. America ALWAYS has the last laugh. Hit us again! It's just going to make us more determined to come after you. Funny how most "Americans" take the flags off their cars a week or so after 9-11. Some people out there DO remember.

What would these "Peace Activists" have us do? Sit there and take these terrorist attacks over and over while we do nothing more than sing peaceful songs and march with banners? The only thing they understand is force.

Fark with us and you end up with the bloody b-hole.

Everyone that thinks we shouldn't be over there bombing... I'll file your complaint under the "Tough Noogies" category. hahahahahahaha
 
2003-05-30 03:11:11 PM  
No flame back with the "oh you just don't understand and you are less than me." Because it seems that my opinion is shared by our Government, military, and a majority of the American people. This "war" has the largest base of support in history. 80+% of Americans think that we are doing the right thing. The only reason you hear so much about the "ANTI-WAR Movement" is because they can't make a point. All they can do is fall back on lame 70's protests. haha Pro-War folks don't need to be heard. We let our GBU-84's and 6" shells do the talking.
 
2003-05-30 03:13:48 PM  
Hey Bf+,

Guided munitions do cost more than "dumb bombs", but if you take the sheer number of bombs that it takes to "Carpet Bomb" and compare it to the number of guided bombs it takes to do the same job, the price is WAY higher to use carpet bombing. Not to mention the fact that you have less civilian casualties with guided munitions. So the cost is much less with a more expensive bomb.
 
2003-05-30 03:18:28 PM  
05-30-03 03:07:14 PM Rhollmer

I love the way people confuse "Simple Minds" with "Common Sense". If the terrorists had not attacked us we would not be over there bombing their asses.


really? What terrorist attack provoked the first Gulf War? Or how about the countless other times Iraq was bombed? Afghanistan was bombed too before 9-11 by the US.

You are really trying hard to be smart and its not working.
 
2003-05-30 03:21:09 PM  
05-30-03 03:11:11 PM Rhollmer

This "war" has the largest base of support in history. 80+% of Americans think that we are doing the right thing. The only reason you hear so much about the "ANTI-WAR Movement" is because they can't make a point. All they can do is fall back on lame 70's protests. haha Pro-War folks don't need to be heard. We let our GBU-84's and 6" shells do the talking.


Great, another "its popular so it must be right!" comment.

You know, the Nazis were very popular, and very powerful.

The "anti-war" movement makes enough of a point to piss off you people with their facts, information, history, to where you are forced to use such ignorant responses as "look how many people support it! I am right!!"
 
2003-05-30 03:24:06 PM  
yeah, im back, but not for long. long enough to say this, however.

anybody posting pro-war opinions really can't be taken too seriously, or they'd be out fighting for their beleifs, unless they're disabled to the point of not being any use in combat. (even though that just means your thumbs dont work) and since they're not, they're just as bad as us "commies".

anyone with a disability, i apologize.
 
2003-05-30 03:33:02 PM  
ti-war" movement makes enough of a point to piss off you people with their facts, information, history, to where you are forced to use such ignorant responses as "look how many people support it! I am right!!"

Well, if we are speaking globally, then the majority is definitely against what we "evil" Americans are doing. However, the majority of the world isn't American and is more than ignorant of our history and ideals. They actually buy the line that we wish to oppress the globe. This, I contribute to the foreign press' miraculous job of morphing the word freedom into oppression.
 
2003-05-30 03:40:43 PM  
We let our GBU-84's and 6" shells do the talking.

Good going armchair general, that sentence deserves the "Dumbass" tag.
 
2003-05-30 03:55:56 PM  
You should be ashamed comaparing what we are doing with Nazi's. Go back to sleep.

And to answer the previous question about what started the Gulf War, how about Saddam invading Kuwait City? What would have happened if he had gotten his hands on all of that money? I can tell you what. Nuclear and Chemical stockpiles! Do some research on this topic instead of your pathetic peace march.
 
2003-05-30 04:05:52 PM  
hahaha Cummon! Flame me back! I'm bored!

Nothin but luv for ya all!
 
2003-05-30 04:19:28 PM  
TheConvincingSavant
Freedom? C'mon, lets be real here. Iraq was about freedom now? I thought it was about WMD? Afghanistan, which i wasn't wholly against, since it is a place that allegedly harbors terrorism, is another beast. Afghanistan wasn't about creating a free Afghan state. That's what's called a 'latent' benefit. The reason we went there was to lay waste to al-quaeda. I say al-quaeda must be stopped, but not at the cost of:

1. American Civil liberties (patriot I [which has been abused many times] Patriot II, and the Homeland Security bill)

2. Racial profiling - Arab americans are americans too. But since they are of arab decent, they get farked with/over all to often.

3. Religious persecution - Islam, for most muslims, is a very peaceful religion.
It seems to me that Islamic fundies don't want the influence of western culture to invade their way of life--from coca cola, to blue jeans(so like, 80's, man) and TV. They see the US and western culture as the downfall of their religion and morality. I think its hard for lots of islamic fundies (as is w/many other fundies) to separate personal morality with law. American capitalism, it seems to me, is their image of Satan, self loving, greedy, and willing to destroy anyone for one's own gain. (Halliburton, anyone?


4. The breakdown of global partnerships. Personally, I think the Iraq situation should've been handled later, when the economy was taking an upturn, and we could round up more allies from larger nations.

TCS This wasn't all meant for you, but i figured i'd mention you first, since it was initially a reply.
 
2003-05-30 04:42:06 PM  
Freedom? C'mon, lets be real here. Iraq was about freedom now? I thought it was about WMD? Afghanistan, which i wasn't wholly against, since it is a place that allegedly harbors terrorism, is another beast. Afghanistan wasn't about creating a free Afghan state. That's what's called a 'latent' benefit. The reason we went there was to lay waste to al-quaeda. I say al-quaeda must be stopped, but not at the cost of:

You're absolutely right. The freedom we brought to these two nations was a consequence of other intentions. However, I was referring to our outlook toward other countries in general. Americans don't want to rule the world, they just want everyone to have the same opportunity to pursue personal happiness as we do. Most countries do not realize that this is the case though and therefore, conclude that we are out to establish a one world nation.

My mistake. I should have been more clear.
 
2003-05-30 04:53:41 PM  
Angry Villain - "Bill Maher was right, we are the cowards."

If we're cowards for having weaponry that keeps us safe while it kills the enemy, then I'd like to have a war with you.

You get your big manly stick, and I'll get a cowardly guided missile, you farking whiner :P
 
2003-05-30 04:55:44 PM  
Sroth - "[In reply to 'We let our GBU-84's and 6" shells do the talking.', ] that sentence deserves the 'Dumbass' tag."

Please explain?

BTW, namecalling lowers the power of your entire argument. Some other 'dumbass' told me that.
 
2003-05-30 05:02:56 PM  
Sroth - "Good going armchair general"

You should know that even though you apparently think that "cut-down" really hurts, it actually doesn't mean anything, let alone "cut them to the quick."

I don't think I can count on my fingers and toes the number of times you've called someone that. Do you really think it's that great of a line? Are you a mormon or a quaker or something?
 
2003-05-30 05:16:34 PM  
05-30-03 07:37:46 AM Seabass242
PegLeg says "That's right. It is about winning not giving your enemy a chance to kill you."
Yeah... a real win ...... It's more like Tracy McGrady dunking on a 3rd grader in a pick up game

No, it is nothing like that. It is armed conflict. And while I believe there are right and wrong ways to engage in warfare, I do not believe that utilizing Spectre is one of the wrong ways.
 
2003-05-30 05:17:50 PM  
I'm and armchair FARKer and proud of it.
 
2003-05-30 05:42:14 PM  
Americans don't want to rule the world, they just want everyone to have the same opportunity to pursue personal happiness as we do. Most countries do not realize that this is the case though and therefore, conclude that we are out to establish a one world nation.

Aren't we?
 
2003-05-30 05:46:17 PM  
Aren't we trying to rule the world or aren't we a one world nation?
 
2003-05-30 07:00:23 PM  
Stepping back from the rights and wrongs (apart from shooting 105mm shells at individual people.. damn.. imagine how it feels to be running for your life and having those explosions *follow you*.. but why didnt they just use the vulcan cannon?).. this is awesome, as in awe-inspiring.. Wondered whether it was some satellite feed downlinked to mortar launchers, or a F117a with laser guided mini missiles, something like that. They lead a target, such as a pickup truck, a warehouse, a couple of dudes running down a hillside.. and two or three *seconds* later.. boooom. 105mm explosive tips then? Thats gotta hurt. Even if it doesn't explode, a hole in you (or the other target) the size of a CD.. Ouch.

Incredible stuff. Overkill, but incredible all the same. Just hope they had spotter on the ground somewhere ID'ing them as troops, lest it turn into another napalm situation.
 
2003-05-30 07:05:24 PM  
sickening. absolutely disgusting. fark america
 
2003-05-30 07:06:42 PM  
One can wax nostalgic for the honorable days of fighting when men met men with swords and axes on the field of battle, but times change, and once changed they aren't going back.

And wax nostalgic of men storming beaches as on D-Day.
 
2003-05-30 07:36:47 PM  
Bf+, see Rollmers post right after yours.

When you total the costs, infrastructure, trianing, fuel, bombs, innacuracy, and manpower, it's cheaper to send one bomber with 10 smart bombs as opposed to 50 B-52's that hope to get one hit out of thousands.

Think Vietnam. Thousands of bombs and we couldn't destroy the caves in the soil, and thousands of civilians died. Now, one smart bomb, drops into a neighborhood, destroys five 3 feet-think-concrete buildings, kills a few civilians, and only needed a couple re-fuelings, a crew of 2, (as opposed to 8-10), and a maintenance crew of say 12, as opposed to 200 total for the B-52's.

Now, which is cheaper in the long run?

It's not the cost of the bomb itself, it's the manpower, and human life. It's much less costly now than then.
 
2003-05-30 07:46:16 PM  
Rhollmer:
"If the terrorists had not attacked us we would not be over there bombing their asses."

This fails the first (and dumbest) test (switching the names). They say exactly the same thing. Bin Laden declared war on the USA in response to US missile attacks. 9/11 was his major retalliation for that attack. Those missile attacks would not have been the start of it all either, but a response to something to else, and so it goes back, tit for tat. "But they started it!" is a poor justification in the playground, let alone in war.

"The only thing they understand is force."
In the eyes of much of the rest of the world, this is a good description of America also. The question is not 'is this really true of us?' but 'does it really matter whether it's false or not if people believe it?'
You indicate you are not inclined to even try methods other than brute force, because you believe (rightly or wrongly) that force is the only thing they understand. Likewise, those trying to shift US policy (such as Bin Laden trying to get the US out of Saudi affairs, among other things) would not be inclined to use methods other than brute force, if he beleives it is the only thing the US understands. I happen to think you're both right. Neither him nor you seem to understand any language but violence. (which still leaves you without moral highground). I would like you both to be wrong, and it may well be that you both are, but no-one knows until the guns stop talking for a bit. And that aint gonna happen while you still draw breath, right!

"What would these "Peace Activists" have us do? Sit there and take these terrorist attacks over and over while we do nothing more than sing peaceful songs and march with banners?"
Nice try. If the peace guys had been listened to decades ago, there wouldn't be these terrorist attacks in the first place. Problem solved. Simple as that. That whole Common Sense thing you refer to. But violent types (who think others only listen to violence) like to wade in with force, and then when it inevitably fails and provokes retaliation, emnity, and feuding instead of peace, start claiming that it's patently obvious that force is needed because of all the people now out to hurt us. (They're born that way apparently). Gosh those peace folk must feel foolish.

Basically, you could legitimately criticise the peace crowd if their methods actually failed. But if you ignore advice and as a result get everyone up shet creek, then turn on the critics and say "Well! What can YOU do?" you're overlooking the crucial fact that their methods are now less usefull only because you screwed everything up - you took a salvagable situation and make a complete mess of everything.

You asked for flames. So howzat? Does that make your blood boil? :-)
 
2003-05-30 07:56:12 PM  
And anyway, this is just a video of WAR.

Why the fark did this turn into some Goddamned debate on righteousness?


If you don't like the good 'ol US of A, get out.

Our guys are dying for your Goddamn freedom, and you're debating if it's right for us to kill terrorists and thugs.

Your farking freedom, you call them killers and complain of their making comments on the video.

OK, what the fark did the terrorists say at the last minute before they hit the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, and when the brave-ass dudes took over the flight over Pennsylvania?

I'm sure it wasn't, "Oh, I feel so bad flying this plane into this building with thousands of innocent people in it, from all over the World, oh forgive me. I'm sorry"

How quickly Liberals forget. (not all Liberals though, not hte ones who had relatives and friends in those buildings, and who support our President).

Let me ask this, What the fark would you do? Be a Clinton and let them off the hook yet again? Reagan tried to stop it, and committed to it, but we didn't have all the intelligence on the terroist groups at the time, but he got the whell rolling. If it wasn't for his effort, we wouldn't know today, who hit US on 9/11.

Think about it. Look at your family, go do it right now. Then think about it again.

Now, think ove the video of the TERRORISTS beign killed. We didn't blow up the Mosque. Would they repsct your Church or Temple or Mosque?

Now, what do you think?
 
2003-05-30 08:01:54 PM  
"05-30-03 09:32:33 AM Pick

The United States needs to project it's power throughout the world. It is the only way we can keep these asshats at bay. Contrary to popular opinion the world as we know it is NOT civilized. Just like mother nature, it's kill or be killed. You folks who think we can "negotiate" or use "diplomacy" are living in a dream world."

The kill or be killed ideology was the one that pacified german civillians into embracing wholesale slaughter. Congrats, you are a working cog in the police state.
 
2003-05-30 08:03:02 PM  
Drew,

Stop this madness. Don't allow anymore posts.

This is getting stupid.

It's just a video.

Thank You, Goodnight, Yeeeeeaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!!!

MW451
 
2003-05-30 08:12:48 PM  
Hm, judging from the extreme amount of flag-wavers in this thread...

America sucks. You're cowardly war-mongering beatches who shoot people in the back.
 
2003-05-30 09:12:25 PM  
Whoever created this game needs to nerf the damage of the Howitzer. It's ridiculous! It took out those level 5 bunkers with 1 hit! How the hell do you take out a level 5 bunker with +10 to advanced construction with just one Howitzer shot?
 
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