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2003-05-29 11:38:02 AM  
I hate Bush.
 
2003-05-29 02:15:46 PM  
"The president made the promise to fund it," Kennedy said. "He's failed to meet that promise." The senator said he asks Bush about the funding every time he sees him, which Kennedy said is far less often since the education bill was crafted, and "he just jokes and says, `It's increasing plenty.'"
 
2003-05-29 05:49:37 PM  
Really? I hate the high level administration in almost every public school district that take the money and run.
 
2003-05-29 05:50:33 PM  
Not to be too big an a$$, but when was the last time we really had an education president? Why do Americans hate education so?
 
2003-05-29 05:51:25 PM  
What happened to guillotines?
 
2003-05-29 05:52:12 PM  
Another success in what Jon Stewart dubbed, "operation: name $hit the opposite of what it does."
 
2003-05-29 05:52:23 PM  
unpossible?
 
2003-05-29 05:52:46 PM  
Unless there is oil underneath the schools, you can forget about anybody giving a damn. Bush also talked about the environment only to turn around do do the exact opposite. Bush is hardly a reliable person these days.

What makes anybody think that a person whose dad bought his way through school, gives a rats ass about school at all.
 
2003-05-29 05:53:05 PM  
Not that the President isn't an Asshat if he truly isn't doing what he said he would (a shockingly strange move for a modern politician), but I shake my head when I see every bond issue in the school district I live in suck more money out of tax payers while kids are still sharing books and the superintendents salary is skyrocketing.
 
2003-05-29 05:54:21 PM  
The_Vincent
Not to be too big an a$$, but when was the last time we really had an education president? Why do Americans hate education so?

We're too busy spending insane amounts of money on our military.
 
2003-05-29 05:55:02 PM  
The_Vincent

Because when you're definitely out of the job in 8 years there's no point concentrating on something that will take at least that long to bear fruit.

Separate note: Dems and Repubs education strategy is basically identical. We're going to spend the same but we're going to get loads more for it. No really we are.
 
2003-05-29 05:56:58 PM  
Hmmmm...high paid, incompetent leaders sucking up all the funds while everything else goes to pot.

It sounds like our public schools have already adopted the corporate model.
 
2003-05-29 05:57:50 PM  
Best.....headline.....ever.
 
2003-05-29 05:58:11 PM  
Guy: I think Military Spending is important, but Education should be at least as important. I love it when some yahoo says they want a better education system and they won't pay higher taxes for same in the same breath. Cracks me up it does.

/considers paying taxes patriotic
 
2003-05-29 05:58:28 PM  
Guy Innagorillasuit:

In my opinion, the problem with education is not at a federal level. Public Schools in some cases are getting plenty of money, they're just like a mule with a spinning wheel, damned if they know how to use it or invest it properly.
 
MN2
2003-05-29 06:00:16 PM  
Not to be "that" guy, or even to pay reference to some damn commercial w/ the previous, but....children...hmm?
 
2003-05-29 06:00:18 PM  
Luckily for the GOP, there's a war on.
 
2003-05-29 06:00:34 PM  
wonder how fast this thread turns into a flame war

oh well I've been against this policy from the beginning...the lack of funding doesn't make me dislike any more then I already did.
 
2003-05-29 06:00:37 PM  
I'm gonna have to sorta agree with MagnificentBastard. My HS built a new Track while we were still learning out of 15 year old books
 
2003-05-29 06:00:37 PM  
I agree with Slappy.

Best farking headline. I laughed harder at that than some of the photoshops.
 
2003-05-29 06:00:46 PM  
Maybe the new "A Jail in Every Classroom" program will scare some of these brats straight!
***
Dude, I'll totally make it worth your while if you help me break out of here.

/Snake
 
2003-05-29 06:01:37 PM  
I also think standardized testing will be the death of this country
 
2003-05-29 06:01:57 PM  
Hmmmm...high paid, incompetent leaders sucking up all the funds while everything else goes to pot.

It sounds like our public schools have already adopted the corporate model.


Do you have proof that this is a widespread problem, or are you just repeating what is told to you?

...That's what I thought.

Want to know where all the money goes in your school district? Try federally mandated (but not federally funded) school programs. Special Education for example, takes a large bite out of local district's budgets.
 
2003-05-29 06:03:54 PM  
all the money

Let me rephrase that before the flames begin: "A large chunk of money"
 
2003-05-29 06:05:04 PM  
Could be worse - you could live here in Arkansas, the Retirement State. You ought to try passing a milliage increase for public school funding. All the old folk vote it down, every time, thus our governor is planning to shut down schools before the federal government does. And you only THOUGHT that desegretation was the only misery in our state school system.
 
2003-05-29 06:05:11 PM  
Thank you Billy, The Simpsons is always appropriate
 
2003-05-29 06:05:43 PM  
I keep reading about school administrators who are getting richer while nobody bothers with putting the money where it is needed--in the classroom. Sort of like CEOs who get big payouts (i.e. American Airlines Carty) while their companies go down the crapper.

Just my opinion, I could be wrong though.
 
2003-05-29 06:05:43 PM  
"Do you have proof that this is a widespread problem, or are you just repeating what is told to you?"

Take a look at the KC school districts. Look at all that desegregation money that went to the schools but wound up funding patronage jobs and never making it to the classroom. Every year the board hired a "new and improved" superintendent to fix all the world's problems, and when they didn't do anything, they'd fire him and hire a new one while still buying out the contract of the one before.

All this and my wife had maybe 80 bucks a year from the district for room supplies.
 
2003-05-29 06:07:33 PM  
Quick1: Agreed, and I find myself in an odd situation, seeing as I'm about to graduate with a degree in Voc. Rehab with a concentration in Special Ed. I wonder if I'll be humming the same tune about it being wasteful spending in the near future, seeing as that funding will influence my salary. I'll be the first to admit that if that money serves me well I'll keep my mouth shut. Sad but true.
 
2003-05-29 06:07:39 PM  
educating the poor is not in the interest of people who need ditch diggers and street sweepers and people to clean their toilets.
 
2003-05-29 06:08:52 PM  
Ghare: LOL, gods and clods.
 
2003-05-29 06:10:36 PM  
educating the poor is not in the interest of people who need ditch diggers and street sweepers and people to clean their toilets.

you can get other people to clean your toilets?! where? sign me up.

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anyway I know a few teachers...they don't get enough money to do anything. But the sports programs all still thrive. How is it when I was in highschool my school could afford to build an entirely new foot ball field and such (multi million dollar project) but they couldn't afford chalk board erasers. The teachers used to buy their own.
 
2003-05-29 06:11:25 PM  
SchOols are worthless. Same with your president.Arguing about the solution is futile.

/i feel smart today
 
2003-05-29 06:12:20 PM  
If you don't support school vouchers, you might be a racist.
 
2003-05-29 06:17:35 PM  
Whomever wrote this headline was obviously left behind somewhere between 2nd and 3rd grade!
Yikes!!
 
2003-05-29 06:19:30 PM  
Redfish365: His poor use of words was the joke...
/banging head on desk.
 
2003-05-29 06:20:14 PM  
Are you sure about that?
I mean it IS a joke but can we give him that much credit?
 
2003-05-29 06:22:03 PM  
No..because the joke has been done numerous times.
 
2003-05-29 06:22:18 PM  
Redfish365

Please do not attempt to back out of your having completely missed the joke. Simply accept your humiliation gracefully. It happens to all of us sooner or later.
 
2003-05-29 06:22:50 PM  
I find it amusing that NCLB was based on the Texas school system's approach to managing the schools when Texas schools are among the worst in the nation.
 
2003-05-29 06:23:13 PM  
All of you guys who are talking about the Supt.'s making a big bunch of money while everything else goes to $hit are right on the money. The Supt. from Massachusetts in the article that supports the program is a perfect example.
 
2003-05-29 06:25:08 PM  
It simply means states have to spend wiser and be more creative.

This from "Jo Ann Webb, a spokeswoman for the US Education Department." No, Jo Ann, it's "spend more wisely", not "spend wiser." So much for the Education Department.

The No Child Left Behind law has been steadily grinding schools down since it went into effect. Basically, it says that schools have to have most kids 'do pretty well' or else they lose funding. Since many schools are already unable to make sure most kids 'do pretty well', they respond by lowering the bar for 'pretty well'.

Thus, schools typically fall into either category A -- losing funding -- or category B -- lowering standards. What a great law.
 
2003-05-29 06:26:12 PM  
If you DO support school vouchers, you might be a racist.

Hey, if these kids didn't have the foresight to be born the son and grandson of powerful, well-connected white men, that's their problem.
 
2003-05-29 06:26:50 PM  
RandomAxe

Pointing out to people that they don't know the difference between an adjective and an adverb can damage their self-esteem and make them less happy. You shouldn't do that.

Could I have hit upon the REAL reason schools suck?
 
2003-05-29 06:29:18 PM  
School would go better for all kids if they just had that Dawsons Creak trapper-keeper like Eric Cartmen.
 
2003-05-29 06:30:14 PM  
Tigger, questioning things makes the other students feel stupid. Please cease that behavior.
 
2003-05-29 06:31:17 PM  
Your reasonable analysis makes fun of my rage management problem.

farker
 
2003-05-29 06:31:29 PM  
Far be it for me to say anything good about politicians. But I will go so far as to say that maybe they are not always to blame. Could it be that the mandatory testing is just uncovering problems that have been hidden for a long time. An now the politicians are running around trying to duck any responsibility.
 
2003-05-29 06:31:43 PM  
All of you guys who are talking about the Supt.'s making a big bunch of money while everything else goes to $hit are right on the money.

No, they're not. Why don't you people look something up once in a while instead of just seeing what the numbers are like up your own ass?

A school superintendent in a major MA school system typically makes less than $150,000 a year. That's not a small salary, I agree. A quick Google says that in Springfield, MA, the salary was $97,000 last year.

A typical school budget in that part of MA is around $20 million a year. (Google figures for Longmeadow, MA, a smaller nearby community, for fiscal year 2001.)

Ratio of superintendent salary to school budget: .005

Drop in the bucket.
 
2003-05-29 06:35:55 PM  
Tigger sez: Could I have hit upon the REAL reason schools suck?

I'm afraid not. The whole PC Conspiracy thing is 90% a right-wing myth. I never, ever had anyone worry about what might offend me when I was in school. My nephews, now, never have anyone worry about what might offend them. I know a bunch of teachers and professors, and it almost never comes up in their work, either.

There is a problem with 'offensensitivity', as it's sometimes known, but most of it lies not with students being offended but parents and school board members being offended. And, in any case, it's blown way, way out of proportion by pundits who have nothing better to do.

Much bigger problems: class sizes, discipline, parent support, textbook / curriculum quality, facilities, teacher quality, teacher salaries, student work ethic, cultural emphasis on value of education.
 
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