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(Washington Post)   Record a MD cop brutalizing you? That's up to 16 years in prison. Bonus: your video is inadmissable in court   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 383
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2010-06-20 01:25:46 PM  
How can a conversation next to a motorcycle on a public road have any consideration of privacy? Just like cops subduing a suspect at the farkin' Belmont in front of 1000 people? Ridiculous.
 
2010-06-20 01:32:26 PM  
How the hell is any part of police action against you privately protected from yourself? Everything on the police and state's side in this situation is asinine. It wasn't a hidden cam, it was on his helmet, basically recording what he saw. If what he saw was public, what he recorded was public.
 
2010-06-20 01:38:03 PM  
And that's why I can't move to Maryland.

f*cking assholes.
 
2010-06-20 01:38:31 PM  
FTFA:

As Graber's case moves forward, civil libertarians are concerned about its implications in light of what happened to John McKenna, an unarmed University of Maryland student who was beaten in March by three police officers after the school's basketball victory over Duke.

Duke sucks?
 
2010-06-20 01:46:57 PM  
State supreme courts in Illinois, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Washington have upheld people's right to record police officers. (Illinois has since made it illegal to record anyone without consent.)

Well that's useful, IL.
 
2010-06-20 01:55:57 PM  
If you haven't done anything wrong, you have nothing to hide, right officer?

I'm appalled that we even have to have this conversation.
 
2010-06-20 02:08:11 PM  
The erosion of freedoms doesn't happen in one night where you wake up the next day and they're all gone. It happens one item at a time over as much time as it takes to get through them all.

"New" freedoms are rarely created which makes the ones that exist like endangered species, once they're gone they're gone.

Sounds like this one is gone.
 
2010-06-20 04:44:49 PM  
FTA:

On April 8, Graber was awakened by six officers raiding his parents' home in Abingdon, Md., where he lived with his wife and two young children.


Ima get flamed for this, but lemme finish... If your toys include helmet cams and speedbikes, and you're popping wheelies at speeds between 65 and 80 mph on a state highway, while you live at your parents house with your wife and kids, well, you've got some growing up to do. Unfortunately, it looks like some of it is going to be at the expense of Maryland taxpayers.

Now, having said that, this seemingly one-sided law and its administration in this case appears to be pretty heavy handed.
 
2010-06-20 05:16:00 PM  
Relatively Obscure: State supreme courts in Illinois, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Washington have upheld people's right to record police officers. (Illinois has since made it illegal to record anyone without consent.)

Well that's useful, IL.


god I hate my state

FFS, so you can no longer take video in public???

god I hate stupid laws.

/going outside to break some laws and get arrested
 
2010-06-20 05:34:45 PM  
Staffist: FTA:

On April 8, Graber was awakened by six officers raiding his parents' home in Abingdon, Md., where he lived with his wife and two young children.


Ima get flamed for this, but lemme finish... If your toys include helmet cams and speedbikes, and you're popping wheelies at speeds between 65 and 80 mph on a state highway, while you live at your parents house with your wife and kids, well, you've got some growing up to do. Unfortunately, it looks like some of it is going to be at the expense of Maryland taxpayers.

Now, having said that, this seemingly one-sided law and its administration in this case appears to be pretty heavy handed.


How do you figure? So he likes to have fun on his bike and tape it. Maybe he's living with his parents because they need the help, not because he does. Those two items together don't necessarily add up to him being immature, unless you just assume they do.
 
2010-06-20 05:52:46 PM  
This is insane. I don't even get their justification for this. I get their reasoning, they don't want to get caught doing shiat but I don't get their justification.
 
2010-06-20 06:16:51 PM  
I understand that cops are corrupt, but what's the deal with the DA? Also, who was on this grand jury? If you were on a grand jury and they showed you this and asked you to return an indictment, wouldn't you get upset and tell the DA to fark off?

Moving on to regular juries, FYI judges tell juries "I decide the law - you just decide if they're guilty" or to put that another way, the judge is saying that you the jury don't get to say, "this guy doesn't deserve to be in jail" you just get to say if the facts say that he broke the law. That's bullshiat, but that's why you'll be told.
 
2010-06-20 06:35:35 PM  
Tofu: Moving on to regular juries, FYI judges tell juries "I decide the law - you just decide if they're guilty" or to put that another way, the judge is saying that you the jury don't get to say, "this guy doesn't deserve to be in jail" you just get to say if the facts say that he broke the law. That's bullshiat, but that's why you'll be told.

Too bad the Judge is allowed to lie to you like that... one of the best things that could happen to this country is for people to become aware of their right to jury nullification.
 
2010-06-20 06:48:14 PM  
Kevin5280: Staffist: FTA:

On April 8, Graber was awakened by six officers raiding his parents' home in Abingdon, Md., where he lived with his wife and two young children.


Ima get flamed for this, but lemme finish... If your toys include helmet cams and speedbikes, and you're popping wheelies at speeds between 65 and 80 mph on a state highway, while you live at your parents house with your wife and kids, well, you've got some growing up to do. Unfortunately, it looks like some of it is going to be at the expense of Maryland taxpayers.

Now, having said that, this seemingly one-sided law and its administration in this case appears to be pretty heavy handed.

How do you figure? So he likes to have fun on his bike and tape it. Maybe he's living with his parents because they need the help, not because he does. Those two items together don't necessarily add up to him being immature, unless you just assume they do.



Popping wheelies on a state highway, especially with other vehicles present, at speeds between 65 and 80 mph lacks a certain, oh, I don't know...let's call it wisdom. Having two young kids at home while doing so seems reckless too, the folly of a yet fully developed sense of responsibility, but I guess that they can be left to take care of grandpa and grandma.
 
2010-06-20 06:57:40 PM  
Relatively Obscure: Well that's useful, IL.

don't worry, that won't hold up in court either.
 
2010-06-20 07:02:12 PM  
Staffist: Popping wheelies on a state highway, especially with other vehicles present, at speeds between 65 and 80 mph lacks a certain, oh, I don't know...let's call it wisdom. Having two young kids at home while doing so seems reckless too, the folly of a yet fully developed sense of responsibility, but I guess that they can be left to take care of grandpa and grandma.

This really has nothing to do with the actual issue. The guy's obviously a douchebag. But that's a separate issue with the law making recording cops illegal.
 
2010-06-20 07:10:33 PM  
A public employee doing a public job in a public place is private?
 
2010-06-20 07:23:25 PM  
Mugato: This is insane. I don't even get their justification for this. I get their reasoning, they don't want to get caught doing shiat but I don't get their justification.

the law says they can do it, so that means they can do it. to an authoritarian that is all the justification needed.

now sit back and watch people defend the cops for doing this. take note of the names. it'll be helpful during our next politics tab flame war blow out.
 
2010-06-20 07:25:07 PM  
this is what police states do.
 
2010-06-20 07:28:09 PM  
Kirk's_Toupee: this is what police states do.

true, but in an actual police state, the authorities are far more organized about clamping down on uppity citizens with a penchant for recording the actions of their cops.

This is just petty authoritarian bullshiat. the local cops and a prosecutor figured the law said they could stomp on the guy, so they filed the right paperwork and smashed in some doors to go get him. in their minds, they did nothing wrong. the rulebook SAID they could do this, and so they did it. the thought that maybe it was the wrong thing to do simply never occurs to people like that.
 
2010-06-20 07:47:18 PM  
Damn Red state fascists!!!
 
2010-06-20 07:52:54 PM  
"The question is: Is a police officer permitted to have a private conversation as part of their duty in responding to calls, or is everything a police officer does subject to being audio recorded?" Cassilly said.

Since anything I say or do is going to be potentially used against me, i would say that it's not a private conversation at all. You know when a police officer can have a private conversation? Off the clock and out of uniform.
 
2010-06-20 08:04:13 PM  
House of Tards: You know when a police officer can have a private conversation? Off the clock and out of uniform

Not even then. They're always braying about how they're always on duty.
 
2010-06-20 08:26:17 PM  
Talon: one of the best things that could happen to this country is for people to become aware of their right to jury nullification.

PSA for anyone who may read this: if you even think the words "jury nullification" in a courthouse you may be held in contempt. For example, let's say you're on a jury and the defendant is charged with smoking weed in his own home *gasp* what a fiend!

So after closing arguments, you and the other jurors are voting, and the sheep in the room shrug and say, "well I may not agree with it, but it is the law and he broke it - guilty" and you say, "not guilty" and everyone asks you why. If you say, "well, I disagree with the law too, that's why I'm nullifying it"

You can be held in contempt.

Your only safe bet is to say "I'm just not convinced by the evidence, I'm sorry. I have doubts" and say nothing more, no matter how much peer pressure is on you from the other jurors, saying they want to get this over with and go home.
 
2010-06-20 09:29:31 PM  
Guy was witnessed popping a wheelie and busted for speeding. Where was the brutalizing part?
 
2010-06-20 09:29:42 PM  
I'm really beginning to hate the law enforcement apparatus in this country. Let's start cutting these cocksucker's budgets.
 
2010-06-20 09:29:43 PM  
Kirk's_Toupee: this is what police states do.

You don't have a goddamned clue what a "police state" actually "does." Try living in one for a while - a real one, not the one your emo angst pretends is one.

/whargarbl cops whargarbl
//some butthurt Fark mod get a ticket a few weeks ago?
 
2010-06-20 09:31:24 PM  
Americans should get out of America while they still can. Seriously.
 
2010-06-20 09:31:47 PM  
guys, guys. we've been over this. everyone knows the police have everyone's best interests in mind and we should just trust them to protect and serve us. i mean come on, it's on the side of their cars, what more do you people want?
 
2010-06-20 09:31:56 PM  
aww, shiat... another cop thread
now that dickless little troll is going to show up again
 
2010-06-20 09:34:55 PM  
knbber2: How can a conversation next to a motorcycle on a public road have any consideration of privacy? Just like cops subduing a suspect at the farkin' Belmont in front of 1000 people? Ridiculous.

Agreed. The whole country should be one-party recording rules anyway.
 
Xoc
2010-06-20 09:35:22 PM  
Write your congresscritters, both state and federal, and demand laws that explicitly allow recording any employee of government, both audio and video, while performing their official duties in any public place.

You can whine about it all you want here, but that does no good. It will take you 10 minutes. Do it.
 
2010-06-20 09:35:55 PM  
MaudlinMutantMollusk: aww, shiat... another cop thread
now that dickless little troll is going to show up again

You mean Sandreckoner?
 
2010-06-20 09:37:49 PM  
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Disapprove. Seriously, if this law were to be upheld, an entire industry of celebrity would be put out of business.
 
2010-06-20 09:38:00 PM  
vabeard: Guy was witnessed popping a wheelie and busted for speeding. Where was the brutalizing part?

I believe the subby was saying that this law would throw you in jail even if you did record a cop beating the crap out of you. It's a really stupid law and needs to be done away with.
 
2010-06-20 09:38:13 PM  
Whatever happened to the video of that kid that got beat up by PG county police? Has that already been sufficiently suppressed? Gotta love Maryland police.
 
2010-06-20 09:38:21 PM  
pubes: You mean Sandreckoner?

When it gets here, you'll know
/and someone will still feed it
 
2010-06-20 09:39:03 PM  
If you watch the video, just skip to about 2:50 unless you just want to see 3 minutes of him riding his bike.

Also, I think this rule is bullshiat. If cops aren't doing anything wrong, then as public servants, they should have no problem with being recorded while performing their duty. Who is that law there to protect?
 
2010-06-20 09:39:11 PM  
Lost Thought 00: Disapprove. Seriously, if this law were to be upheld, an entire industry of celebrity would be put out of business.

That would be the only good thing to come out of it. The paparazzi can go fark themselves.
 
2010-06-20 09:40:09 PM  
CougarJeff: If you haven't done anything wrong, you have nothing to hide, right officer?

I'm appalled that we even have to have this conversation.


I have a feeling your going to continued to be appalled. These sorts of things aren't going away any time soon, if anything it will get worse.
 
2010-06-20 09:41:06 PM  
sandreckoner: Kirk's_Toupee: this is what police states do.

You don't have a goddamned clue what a "police state" actually "does." Try living in one for a while - a real one, not the one your emo angst pretends is one.

/whargarbl cops whargarbl
//some butthurt Fark mod get a ticket a few weeks ago?


7/10


/cops are public servants and deserve no privacy while on the job
 
2010-06-20 09:41:50 PM  
MaudlinMutantMollusk: pubes: You mean Sandreckoner?

When it gets here, you'll know
/and someone will still feed it


Ahhh... I imagine you mean Jakevol2

/I'll feed him, I'm bored.
//Besides, he never did successfully mount a decent counter-argument to any of my posts in the last thread. In fact, he never tried.
 
2010-06-20 09:42:37 PM  
rawkus: guys, guys. we've been over this. everyone knows the police have everyone's best interests in mind and we should just trust them to protect and serve us. i mean come on, it's on the side of their cars, what more do you people want?

i've noticed in Appleton, Wis, that phrase is missing from some of the new squad cars.
 
2010-06-20 09:42:47 PM  
Hand Banana: Lost Thought 00: Disapprove. Seriously, if this law were to be upheld, an entire industry of celebrity would be put out of business.

That would be the only good thing to come out of it. The paparazzi can go fark themselves.


Maybe. But the sales of US Weekly and the ratings of TMZ suggest that the majority of the population disagrees with you. Gotta make allies wherever you can in fights like this.
 
2010-06-20 09:43:13 PM  
fark THE POLICE!

This is coming from someone who's never been arrested or even had a negative experience with the police. I just hate what the police have become as an institution. They would rather harass and keep their boots on the necks of regular citizens than go after actual criminals. So once again,fark THE POLICE!
 
2010-06-20 09:43:34 PM  
silent tom: I've noticed in Appleton, Wis, that phrase is missing from some of the new squad cars.

False advertising lawsuits are a biatch...
 
2010-06-20 09:43:34 PM  
Hmm, I'm guessing that the dashcams on the police vehicles in Maryland also record sound. Doesn't this mean that all of the cops are wiretapping without a warrant?
 
2010-06-20 09:44:36 PM  
javery: Hmm, I'm guessing that the dashcams on the police vehicles in Maryland also record sound. Doesn't this mean that all of the cops are wiretapping without a warrant?

It's only illegal when you do it to them.
 
2010-06-20 09:45:44 PM  
evildick: MaudlinMutantMollusk: pubes: You mean Sandreckoner?

When it gets here, you'll know
/and someone will still feed it

Ahhh... I imagine you mean Jakevol2

/I'll feed him, I'm bored.
//Besides, he never did successfully mount a decent counter-argument to any of my posts in the last thread. In fact, he never tried.


He kind of moped along to respond to mine...I was kind of disappointed. Sometimes it's fun to watch the little buggers grow big, feeding it is necessary.
 
2010-06-20 09:47:04 PM  
Xoc: Write your congresscritters, both state and federal, and demand laws that explicitly allow recording any employee of government, both audio and video, while performing their official duties in any public place.

I live in Maryland, and I can tell you that, having personally asked a few candidates who are running for the state house and the state senate about this exact issue, they are too scared to even make a public statement about how they feel about this, one way or the other. So that's a pretty good indication that the Maryland state politicians will avoid confronting these laws, much less overturning them.
 
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