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(New York Daily News)   NYC mayor denies police have ticket quotas -- says they simply have "performance measurements"   ( nydailynews.com) divider line
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2003-05-29 12:37:04 PM  
And Garbage Men are Sanitation engineers
 
EMP
2003-05-29 12:38:38 PM  
And Farkers are Recreational Work Avoiders.
 
2003-05-29 12:39:13 PM  
How long do you get to rest up between "performances"?
 
2003-05-29 12:39:21 PM  
gimme a break bloomberg!

bring back guiliani
 
2003-05-29 12:39:53 PM  
They don't have quotas anymore... They're now allowed to write as many tickets as they want.
 
2003-05-29 12:41:19 PM  
Since when is a cop having a daily ticket quota news? That's been around for as long as we've had cops.
 
2003-05-29 12:42:14 PM  
aaaaand the difference would be....?
 
2003-05-29 12:42:38 PM  
Yeah, like we belive the NYT now.
 
2003-05-29 12:43:31 PM  
Not that the New York Times had anyrthing to do with this of course...
 
2003-05-29 12:44:41 PM  
Since when is a cop having a daily ticket quota news? That's been around for as long as we've had cops.

yeah doesnt anyone remember the arcade game A.P.B.?
 
2003-05-29 12:45:49 PM  
This should have the "followup" tag.

And in another followup... Bloomberg is still and asshat.
 
2003-05-29 12:47:33 PM  

" Galarza's husband, David, was so incensed by the summons that he staked out Bloomberg's breakfast speech Another recent summons so enraged David Galarza that he staked out Bloomberg's breakfast speech at the Association of the Bar of the City of New York yesterday ..."


A glitch in the Dialy News Matrix ?

 
2003-05-29 12:48:14 PM  
It's the SAME DAMN THING.

Quota's are the first sign of a corrupt enforcement agency.

What if people are not speeding or changing lanes without signaling? There is no ticketable offense, yet the officer still must manufacture offenses for his ticket count.

This is repulsive. Sure, it's an old practice... but it's still repulsive.
 
2003-05-29 12:48:27 PM  
I'd be pissed, too, if my name sounded like something you do with Listerine in the morning.
 
2003-05-29 12:48:52 PM  
I once got a ticket in upstate NY coming home one night. I was only going 5 mph over the speed limit. The dumbass cop pulls me over, takes my information, goes back to his car for literally 10 minutes (I have a PERFECTLY clean record...no tickets EVER) and comes back proceeding to tell me that he needs to write me this ticket (it's the end of the month, so it was obviously a quota issue). For some reason, this nut job kept apologizing over and over again for having to give me a ticket.

Oh well, I ended up getting out of it because the dumbass cop wrote down the wrong street on the ticket and I was able to prove I was never on the street he documented.
 
2003-05-29 12:49:12 PM  
NYC, just a typical American small town.
 
2003-05-29 12:50:16 PM  
APB was the best game ever.
 
2003-05-29 12:51:15 PM  
Tickets are meant as a deterent, not revenue. The money should go to a charity or something to avoid corruption.
 
2003-05-29 12:52:19 PM  
Bloomberg's as big a bullshiat artist as Howell Raines at the Times.
 
2003-05-29 12:52:20 PM  
It's the ass-rape-with-a-broom-handle quota that worries me.
 
2003-05-29 12:53:02 PM  
Well, the whole intent, initially, for Police Cruisers was to deter speeders. Now there are just as many unmarked cruisers, who's only goal is to catch speeders.
 
2003-05-29 12:54:01 PM  
I was going to go to New York this summer for a short vacation. You know what, fark the city. Spend my money in Vegas instead.
 
2003-05-29 12:54:17 PM  
LorneReams Oh, yeah, that would work. Give it to a charity.

Because charities are NEVER corrupt!
 
2003-05-29 12:54:21 PM  
Bloomberg has turned NYC into a dictatorship. What he says goes. If he says there is no quota, I guess there is no quota. The cop ticketed that pregnant woman resting in the subway due to his fantastic "performance". Heil Hitler, uh I mean Bloomberg.

/goes to smoke INDOORS
 
Ant [TotalFark]
2003-05-29 12:54:21 PM  
They're doing the same crap here in Washington with the whole "Click it or Ticket" mandatory seatbelt bullshiat.

Don't worry, it's for your own good. The mommy-state knows best and will take care of you.
 
2003-05-29 12:54:23 PM  
HomerSamson113- It's entirely possible he did that on purpose, but still has the ticket receipt to show he made quota. Most cops that I've met will give you a fair shake when it comes to a ticket they don't think is fair, either. I once actually had a cop giving me a ticket (for an illegal left turn) tell me outright that he wouldn't be in court to defend it, and that's exactly what happened. Without anyone to argue for the state, I beat the ticket easy.
 
2003-05-29 12:55:14 PM  
I talked to a Fargo cop about why there is quotas(there is in fargo). He said that some officers would finish the month with 50 traffic stops/tickets, and some working just up the road would finish the month with 5.

Why should one cop be busting his butt while the other doesn't do anything and gets paid the same? Thats why they set quotas at ~30/month, which I think is reasonable.
 
Ant [TotalFark]
2003-05-29 12:57:39 PM  
Why should one cop be busting his butt while the other doesn't do anything and gets paid the same? Thats why they set quotas at ~30/month, which I think is reasonable.

Because cops aren't paid to make money for the state! There is no 'reasonable' quota
 
2003-05-29 12:57:49 PM  
NarcisisticRage

So its a make-work project then?
 
2003-05-29 12:58:34 PM  
It's the same in every Metropolitan city. I got a parking ticket last month for an expired meter. I HAD JUST PULLED UP AND PARKED! I turned off my car, spent about 15 seconds in there, and stepped out to find a meter maid writing me up a ticket for an expired meter. I tried to explain to her that I had just parked and was about to feed the meter, but she said she didn't care, didn't want to hear "excuses", and issued a $30 ticket.

Good thing I work for a Judge.
 
2003-05-29 12:58:42 PM  
Doesn't the money generated go towards the "NYPD Plunger in the Ass" Fund ??
 
2003-05-29 12:58:54 PM  
Gotta love that double speak??

Housewife=Domestic Engineer
 
2003-05-29 12:58:56 PM  
If you dont break the law, you wont get a ticket!! WOW what a concept! (Excludes giving tixs to teen pregos begging for pennies on the stairs of the subway)
 
2003-05-29 01:00:51 PM  
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2003-05-29 01:01:01 PM  
Here I thought that Police "Performance measurements" should be done by looking at crime rates. Turns out that police don't solve crimes but are gorified tax collectors. If this trend continues, then you can forget having anybody policing the strets unless they can make money off of it somehow.

The reason that quotas are "illegal" is to prevent exactly what is being complained about. Tickets are a form of punishment, not making money. People have to know that they are getting a ticket because they did something wrong.

By forcing police officers to fulfill higher and highre quoatas, at the risk of facing disciplinary measure, you are encouraging to give out tickets for non-offenses. For example...sitting on the steps or not swiping your ticket fast enough. This is what quotas encourage. Not crime prevention or anything else, but extortion of innocent people who have done nothing wrong.
 
2003-05-29 01:01:19 PM  
They're doing the same crap here in Washington with the whole "Click it or Ticket" mandatory seatbelt bullshiat.

Yeah, that whole try to keep-stupid-people-from-dying initiative brought to you by the people who are the first on accident scenes is really annoying...
 
Ant [TotalFark]
2003-05-29 01:04:26 PM  
If you dont break the law, you wont get a ticket

That's not the point. Cops should not be pressured into writing a certain number of tickets. The state should not have a financial interest in giving out citations
 
2003-05-29 01:05:33 PM  
"Mayor sez cops have 'performance' goals"

WTF? Sez? I suppose that's what happens when your reporters get drunk and their 14-year-old daughter has to type their column for them...
 
2003-05-29 01:05:45 PM  
They have the Click it or Ticket program in Florida now too. It's just a way of getting a few more bucks off of you if you get pulled over.

The concept of ticket quotas is assinine. If a crime is not being committed, then no punishment should be given out. They are assuming that crimes are going to be committed before they are.
 
2003-05-29 01:05:56 PM  
Sorry Ant, but cops are lazy by nature.. if they were motivated then they wouldn't have been cops. Besides all jobs have quotas... it only makes sense.

IF you didn't break the law, then the quotas wouldn't be met anyway.
 
2003-05-29 01:06:05 PM  
Because cops aren't paid to make money for the state! There is no 'reasonable' quota

you cant tell me that in a whole month, that a cop won't see 30 speeders. That's ONE per day. Heck, I pass cops everyday going 10mph over the limit. I could easily be pulled over 100 times a month. But I don't.


Of course they won't see one per day if they spend all of their shift at dunkin' donuts.
 
2003-05-29 01:07:22 PM  
So everybody should just not break the law for 6 months. Then when they fire all the cops for missing their quotas anarchy will rule!
 
2003-05-29 01:07:45 PM  
I hate it when people say "Tickets are only written because people break laws." Police officers are not automatons. They can (and should) use their discretion when enforcing the law. If every infraction were to be punished, we'd have a LOT more law breakers...jails would be maxed out, and the citizens would not trust (even resent) every aspect of law enforcement. That's pretty much the definition of a "Police State". Context is key, and while not all cops consider that, most do. It's about protecting the peace and serving the public. The only "cops" that should care about writing as many tickets as possible are meter maids because it is their duty to generate income for the city. Except in Craphola's situation mentioned above. Damn that's harsh!
 
2003-05-29 01:08:38 PM  
Ant - "Why should one cop be busting his butt while the other doesn't do anything and gets paid the same? "

That's the dumbest shiat I've ever read. Congratulations.

So one day, a cop pulls a woman from a car wreck before it explodes while another cop polices a busy intersection when the crossing lights are out.

You're saying one should get paid more than the other because of the work they do, so who gets paid more here? How much more?
 
2003-05-29 01:08:54 PM  
The state should not have a financial interest in giving out citations

Umm, so should the tickets say, "Show up to court on June 30th so the judge can say 'NO!' in a stern voice"? It's sad, but monetary damages are often the only way to condition the stupid to do small things that are actually good for them (like wearing seatbelts)....
 
2003-05-29 01:09:04 PM  
thanks for the trip down memory
lane, DRUNK LIMEY BASTARD !

i dropped rolls and rolls of quarters
into that great game. APB

if memory serves, when you caught an
important bad guy, you had to hit the
buttons to shake a confession out
of him !

good times, good times !
 
2003-05-29 01:09:13 PM  
Ant - "Why should one cop be busting his butt while the other doesn't do anything and gets paid the same? "

Here's another answer. How about, because it's the right thing to do?
 
2003-05-29 01:10:34 PM  
So everybody should just not break the law for 6 months.

No, just stay inside for 6 months. Don't go to restaurants or bars. Stay home and watch Food Network. Learn some lost skills, drink bottled beer, and let the merchants chew the mayor's ass for a while.
 
2003-05-29 01:11:45 PM  
He said that some officers would finish the month with 50 traffic stops/tickets, and some working just up the road would finish the month with 5.

Well, obviously the one cop was clearing out all the violators down the road, and they were then all law abiding by the time they got 'just up the road'.
 
2003-05-29 01:12:25 PM  
Pollexabator - "[You said] the state should not have a financial interest in giving out citations. Umm, so should the tickets say, "Show up to court on June 30th so the judge can say 'NO!' in a stern voice"? It's sad, but monetary damages are often the only way to condition the stupid to do small things that are actually good for them (like wearing seatbelts)...."

You totally jumped the gun and misunderstood.

The method of punishment has nothing to do with the interest in giving out citations. Twit. He's saying the gov't should not, umm, have a financial interest in giving out citations. Damn. That's about as simple as it gets, and he already said that. Lemme see if I can break it down to even smaller chunks for you.

Umm. Officer Bob should not write Mister Jenkins a ticket for jaywalking simply to make Sleepy County some money. He should do it because jaywalking is dangerous and Officer Bob has sworn to serve and protect Mister Jenkins.

Better?
 
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