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2010-06-18 08:45:43 PM
Excuse me, Mr. Principal Man--but what newspaper on the planet doesn't have typos?

No newspaper catches them all. I read the NYT this morning, and noticed at least three.

tonesskin: So these kids are the principal is learning a valuable lesson--play by the rules and perform fellatio on administrators PE teachers and you will succeed.

FTFY.
 
2010-06-18 08:47:15 PM
Stanfan114
basically anyone who voluntarily agrees to work with teen aqe children is only interested in farking them and using "knowledge" as an excuse to get at that sweet young anus.


/grew up at a prep school in the 70's
//yes the teachers messed with the students


You may have attended a prep school in the 70s but it doesn't sound like you ever "grew up".
 
2010-06-18 08:47:47 PM
Let the jocks out of gym class!

/they just bust the curve anyway
 
2010-06-18 08:50:14 PM
angrygrizzly: Excuse me, Mr. Principal Man--but what newspaper on the planet doesn't have typos?

No newspaper catches them all. I read the NYT this morning, and noticed at least three.

tonesskin: So these kids are the principal is learning a valuable lesson--play by the rules and perform fellatio on administrators PE teachers and you will succeed.

FTFY.


At the high school level, abso-freakin'-lutely. University level? Absolutely not. Tenure means not giving a rat's ass about administrators, but still fielding complaints from helicopter parents. By fielding complaints, I mean posting them online then responding with "FERPA forbids me from talking to you, thank you for your concern," but still...
 
2010-06-18 08:50:45 PM
John Dewey: What gets me is principals who do this end up making a bigger deal out of things than if they had just let whatever run.

Besides, it isn't like the kids were editorializing in favor of something that is currently illegal or could legitimately be said to disrupt the education of students.


...like Gym Class?
 
2010-06-18 08:51:25 PM
deciusmaximus: You may have attended a prep school in the 70s but it doesn't sound like you ever "grew up".

Or "learned" that "quotes" should "not" be used in such "stupid" "circums"tances.
 
2010-06-18 08:51:35 PM
RichZZZ: "...PE teachers were concerned that the opinion article was one-sided..."

Uhm, wouldn't that pretty much be the definition of an editorial?


came here to say this.
dolts.
 
2010-06-18 08:54:33 PM
CommiePuddin: ronaprhys: bighasbeen: But if imagine if they were able to draw people to their side? Student-athletes might lose gym class! Can you imagine a society where student-athletes didn't have an extra throw away class to inflate their GPAs?

Then they end up in the SEC, play football, and get an "Interdisciplinary Studies" major.

Really? A major that only requires a bunch of junior-level courses to graduate? I know kids in the popular sports have it easier but that's like you're not even trying.

Why is it that people can major in art, drama, theatre or radio/television/film but not basketball, football, ice hockey, etc?


prolly on account of those professions do not have longevity.
only so many can be absorbed into the front office or speak clearly enough to sportscast???
 
2010-06-18 08:54:52 PM
FarKnight: legitimately be said to disrupt the education of students.

...like Gym Class?


Just the printing of the editorial won't disrupt it. There are things a student newspaper could print that would actually disrupt learning.
 
2010-06-18 08:56:22 PM
tonesskin

deciusmaximus: You may have attended a prep school in the 70s but it doesn't sound like you ever "grew up".

Or "learned" that "quotes" should "not" be used in such "stupid" "circums"tances.


Circumstances like what? Actually quoting somebody?

I'm sure with your grasp of language you can find a job in either the food service industry or cleaning motel rooms.
 
2010-06-18 08:56:54 PM
Being on a high school newspaper sucks. I was for three years, up until my junior year. Managed to work my way up to assistant editor, and was on track to be editor my senior year. Every issue had to go before the principle before publication, and we had multiple articles edited out for no apparent reason. Even my journalism teacher, God love her, had no idea why half of them were snipped.

Why only until junior year? I'm glad you asked. The school had just implemented a new dress code, which as I recall was actually pretty reasonable. Just your basic no drug, alcohol or gang references type stuff. They also, finally, officially decided how short a girl's skirt could be - had to do with however many inches from the knee. I noticed, however, that the cheerleader's skirts were shorter than the length that the code mandated. Figured it'd be an interesting story, so I scheduled an interview with the principle. Went in, sat down, and asked the question respectfully and politely. Immediately the old harpy turned to her computer.

"What's your student ID number?"
*told her*
"Hmm...As in English, History...journalism of course...but it looks like you've got some Cs in math, B in bio. Could make it difficult for you to get into a good college."

As the conversation progressed, and she continued to grill me without even acknowledging that I'd asked a question, it dawned on me that she was farking threatening me.

"I'd like to go now."
"Why's that?"
"Because I am very uncomfortable and...this is sort of a pointless exercise, isn't it?"
"Watch your mouth."
"Look, you're not even attempting to answer my question. This is stupid."

That one landed me two weeks of Saturday detention. I resigned my position at the paper, which was an extracurricular activity outside of journalism class, the next day. In protest, I thought. In retrospect, I sort of let her win.

Oh, yeah, and the first amendment absolutely does not apply to students. Really, none of the amendments in the bill of rights do. Anyway, the school publishes the paper so they have editorial power over it. Which is why it is useless and silly.
 
2010-06-18 08:57:08 PM
DNRTFA or the thread. Welcome to the real world you little jerks. Is this your publication? Oh, it's not. I guess you have to live with the rules. Get off your high horse because I really want you to get my order right at Wendy's once you graduate.
 
2010-06-18 09:04:00 PM
So instead of teaching them journalism the way our constitution says, we teach them the way communism or socialism does it. Got it, I should stop telling my kids they have inalienable rights.

We are supposed to encourage them to speak their minds and let their voices be heard but only if it doesn't piss off someone with any pull...

No farking wonder our news sucks ass we are teaching them to accept being censored at a very impressionable age.

"look son, you are an AMERICAN, you have Freedoms! Well I mean you will have them after you have had that whole 'American Freedom' idea driven out of your head by our public school system! But by then you will have accepted your role in life as an entertainer and laborer for those that have money in our society. GO AMERICA!!

If you want teach journalism to kids do it by the book not by today's status quo. We don't need anymore people too scared to speak their minds not realizing they are PROTECTED by our constitution.
 
2010-06-18 09:05:43 PM
deciusmaximus: tonesskin

deciusmaximus: You may have attended a prep school in the 70s but it doesn't sound like you ever "grew up".

Or "learned" that "quotes" should "not" be used in such "stupid" "circums"tances.

Circumstances like what? Actually quoting somebody?

I'm sure with your grasp of language you can find a job in either the food service industry or cleaning motel rooms.


Yep, you got me, Mr. "Sho"rt "Bu"s.
 
2010-06-18 09:07:44 PM
sawzallz: So instead of teaching them journalism the way our constitution says, we teach them the way communism or socialism the United States does it, in reality.

FTFY
 
2010-06-18 09:07:51 PM
I went to the high school best known as Michael Phelps' alma mater. It's less known as Divine's (new window) alma mater. The principal's office is like a shrine to Phelps. It's kinda crazy.

So we were running an April Fools issue my senior year, and because nobody anywhere has a sense of humor, the office dictated that everything must be run by them. My story about the principal ditching Phelps and erecting a huge, messy statue of Divine eating dog poo out front somehow got the axe.

In college... I don't really like talking about what whet down, but long story short, we printed a sex column, the University didn't like it -- or rather, donors didn't like it -- and the President made not-so-veiled threats against the ad money the University spends on the paper. Our then-editor gave a knew-jerk reaction, for which we forced her to resign. The column went with her, but we won a huge moral victory.
 
2010-06-18 09:11:27 PM
aresef: I went to the high school best known as Michael Phelps' alma mater. It's less known as Divine's (new window) alma mater. The principal's office is like a shrine to Phelps. It's kinda crazy.

So we were running an April Fools issue my senior year, and because nobody anywhere has a sense of humor, the office dictated that everything must be run by them. My story about the principal ditching Phelps and erecting a huge, messy statue of Divine eating dog poo out front somehow got the axe.

In college... I don't really like talking about what whet down, but long story short, we printed a sex column, the University didn't like it -- or rather, donors didn't like it -- and the President made not-so-veiled threats against the ad money the University spends on the paper. Our then-editor gave a knew-jerk reaction, for which we forced her to resign. The column went with her, but we won a huge moral victory.


I hope you have a copy editor there.
 
2010-06-18 09:12:42 PM
Yeah, I got ousted from an English class for turning in a research paper detailing the wide gulf between athletic v. academic funding vis a vis extracurricular after-school studies. The teacher in question, ironically enough, had espoused a position to us of standing up for your ideals and, to wit, 'not let the man get you down', etc. Of course, her father and brother were coaches at the school, art teachers of mine for several years, and didn't like me all that much. One day, in her brother's class, I get called down to the dean: the bro's summation "it's about damn time". Apparently I was 'mentally attacking' the teacher by denigrating her family's chosen interest in the field of high school sports, and would be forced to take an extra semester of English the next year (my last). Worked it out to my benefit in the end, but these sports fanatic types really don't like it when you associate school sports with a form of primary military indoctrination and mind control of supposed 'alpha males'.

/That's why they slap each other on the butt all the time y'know
//Show's how supa numba wun dey R
 
2010-06-18 09:14:35 PM
tonesskin: aresef: I went to the high school best known as Michael Phelps' alma mater. It's less known as Divine's (new window) alma mater. The principal's office is like a shrine to Phelps. It's kinda crazy.

So we were running an April Fools issue my senior year, and because nobody anywhere has a sense of humor, the office dictated that everything must be run by them. My story about the principal ditching Phelps and erecting a huge, messy statue of Divine eating dog poo out front somehow got the axe.

In college... I don't really like talking about what whet down, but long story short, we printed a sex column, the University didn't like it -- or rather, donors didn't like it -- and the President made not-so-veiled threats against the ad money the University spends on the paper. Our then-editor gave a knew-jerk reaction, for which we forced her to resign. The column went with her, but we won a huge moral victory.

I hope you have a copy editor there.


Oh damnit. In my defense, I don't work there anymore, having just graduated. And I'm also jetlagged to hell and back, so forgive me.

/if they made an AP style audiobook, I would listen to it as I drift off to sleep.
 
2010-06-18 09:14:55 PM
tonesskin
deciusmaximus:


Circumstances like what? Actually quoting somebody?

I'm sure with your grasp of language you can find a job in either the food service industry or cleaning motel rooms.

Yep, you got me, Mr. "Sho"rt "Bu"s.


Hey, when you make up my room make sure you sure you tuck those sheets in nice and tight.
 
2010-06-18 09:14:56 PM
tonesskin: sawzallz: So instead of teaching them journalism the way our constitution says, we teach them the way communism or socialism the United States does it, in reality.

FTFY


So true...so true
 
2010-06-18 09:16:44 PM
I know I know... cool story bro... but

One of the saddest moments in my teaching career occurred when I was a GA in college.

I big dude, i mean huge, came into my crappy little office. You know the kind, dust in the corners, old green desk, no light, etc... (the kind they give to GA's)

He was a large fellow, did I mention that, and he had a look of anger on his face. I was not scared, just curious... with a little trepidation.

Nonetheless, he walked his 400 lbs body in, sat down, sighed and asked me if I could help him. Now, mind you, he attended every class but he had the reading and writing capability of a third grader. He held in his hand his last assignment for me. On it, I gave him a D- (not an f because he actually turned something in).

My comment on the paper was something to the effect of "Your writing ability concerns me. You really need to think about talking to the writing assistance staff at ...." Anyways, his paper, which was supposed to be a 1 page position paper, read similar to:
"I liked to go to store. It was fun. I think Socilogy is cool cuz it mkes me think bout stuff. The cltur of coontrys is important cuz we needs to lern about others."

Honestly, I am not kidding. Interestingly enough, it was somewhat insightful. He understood the underlying meaning, but completely lacked the ability to place it into written form. He did have a spark somewhere under that large mass.

Anyways, I spent three hours with him helping him with the class.

A week later, he came back. He had his DARS sheet (this is the sheet they used to track your graduation advancement). He asked me to help him.

Bottom line. He was a 5th year senior and he was a redshirted freshmen in football. After the season ended, they dropped him from any consulting assistance. He wanted me to help him graduate in the next two quarters (winter and spring).

I looked at his DARS, he had enough credits to qualify as a sophomore, he had no chance to graduate in two quarters, let alone two years.

The poor young man cried. He said he could not face his Grandma who had dreamed of him getting a degree. They would not give him any more money (scholarship) and if he did not graduate by the end of the year, he was out of college.

He had no chance. No possibility. Some son of batch had sold him on football, never taught him a darn thing and left him out to dry.

To this day, he is the reminder to me of what my job is as a teacher. Never leave a young man like that behind. Sadly, in college, they are too far gone before they reach me.

Anyways.... I know it was a side issue, but I saw some statements about it here in this thread and I wanted to share.

This poor man killed his body, was encouraged to let his mind yield, all for a sport. A sport I love, as I played ball in high school and college, but nonetheless a sport.

Pathetic, sad... we need to stop making "student athletes". I say, put a stipend of 20k a year away for them for each year of play. Guarantee full tuition UNTIL THEY GRADUATE and then give them the 80k stipend after graduation.

Anyways.... cool story bro....
 
2010-06-18 09:17:41 PM
deciusmaximus: tonesskin
deciusmaximus:

Circumstances like what? Actually quoting somebody?

I'm sure with your grasp of language you can find a job in either the food service industry or cleaning motel rooms.

Yep, you got me, Mr. "Sho"rt "Bu"s.

Hey, when you make up my room make sure you sure you tuck those sheets in nice and tight.


Picking on service workers is so awesome! I bet you have to be in the gym in "26" minutes.
 
2010-06-18 09:20:36 PM
aresef: I went to the high school best known as Michael Phelps' alma mater. It's less known as Divine's (new window) alma mater.

Blah, blah, blah. Ernest F*cking Hemingway went to my high school and I was a sports writer on our paper, The Trapeze. I never complained about getting edited as I understood that the paper was created and funded by the school and not by me. In hindsight, my best interview was with a track star who had pieces of him found in Jeffrey Dahmer's Milwaukee apartment.
 
2010-06-18 09:22:36 PM
I can't see how this is news.
 
2010-06-18 09:26:47 PM
High school teachers are people who have been kicked out of real life for being too useless. High school principals are people who have been kicked out of teaching for being too useless. You might as well make decisions based on which banana a chimp eats.
 
2010-06-18 09:30:48 PM
bibli0phile: He had no chance. No possibility. Some son of batch had sold him on football, never taught him a darn thing and left him out to dry.

Yep. Some of the hardest workers I have ever taught were athletes who were not prepared for college.* They struggled; they were promised tutoring, support, etc. Where I am, they are given threats, which is more than they get at other places. The coach is very, very famous for his stance on academics (when he is actually standing). That's more than I can say about other universities, BUT the students get nothing. They get so much pressure to perform on the field and off; they have HIGH GPAs, and I can say that I have never been pressured to give a grade here. Unfortunately, I have seen some desperate souls. I ask about tutoring, and apparently it's just study hall. Sickening. Recruiters are not held accountable, and they put students in situations that are impossible to surmount. Unlike the spoiled rich kids here, the athletes at least TRY before blaming professors for their lack of ability. Unfortunately, it's too late. And I am lucky enough to be somewhere that considers academics when recruiting. I could not imagine being at some universities.
 
2010-06-18 09:31:41 PM
machstem: I can't see how this is news.

It's not, you farking dumbass. It's Fark.com.
 
2010-06-18 09:32:35 PM
tonesskin: deciusmaximus: tonesskin
deciusmaximus:
Circumstances like what? Actually quoting somebody?
I'm sure with your grasp of language you can find a job in either the food service industry or cleaning motel rooms.
Yep, you got me, Mr. "Sho"rt "Bu"s.
Hey, when you make up my room make sure you sure you tuck those sheets in nice and tight.
Picking on service workers is so awesome! I bet you have to be in the gym in "26" minutes.


All the little girl bickering aside, I believe that it was proper usage of quotation marks.
 
2010-06-18 09:35:48 PM
KeeptheChief: All the little girl bickering aside, I believe that it was proper usage of quotation marks.

Me too, but it was still entertaining for me.
 
2010-06-18 09:38:09 PM
www.global-air.com

(new window)
 
2010-06-18 09:39:55 PM
VictorOfBorge: RichZZZ: "...PE teachers were concerned that the opinion article was one-sided..."

Uhm, wouldn't that pretty much be the definition of an editorial?

This is what I thought. Once again, a High School Principal makes a mountain out of a mole-hill. The editorial will be published in the city's "Big Boy" newspaper and will be read by far more people than if the idiot... er, principal, had just let things be.

More evidence to support my theory that school administrators, after being hired and as part of their orientation, are routinely LOBOTOMIZED. Until I can find evidence to show otherwise, I'm pretty positive this theory will be proved.


The PE people are worried about losing their jobs, and the principle doesn't want to get his budget cut. If there are fewer kids in PE, then they need fewer PE teachers and some get the axe. I'm guessing, but I bet they've padded the PE budget and once it is pried open for job cuts, other cuts would likely be made. And if they find irregularities there, then the principle's entire budget/finances will go under the microscope. All of which could be used to push him out of his job.
 
2010-06-18 09:42:24 PM
planes: (new window)

I'd hit them all based on what I can see.

/it's a perk of the job, by the way
 
2010-06-18 09:42:42 PM
Bogus dude...


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2010-06-18 09:45:20 PM
planes: (new window)

The paper I wrote for. (new window) Yeah, Ernest Hemingway really did go to my school, along with a lot of other famous people. I'm not one of them, yet... My global domination plan is still in effect. Look forward to your future involving a lot of hockey, American football, guns, and general debauchery. Yes, I am a fan of the Oxford comma.
 
2010-06-18 09:47:49 PM
bighasbeen: John Dewey: What gets me is principals who do this end up making a bigger deal out of things than if they had just let whatever run.

Besides, it isn't like the kids were editorializing in favor of something that is currently illegal or could legitimately be said to disrupt the education of students.

But if imagine if they were able to draw people to their side? Student-athletes might lose gym class! Can you imagine a society where student-athletes didn't have an extra throw away class to inflate their GPAs?


As a former student athlete, I hated gym class.

Not only was it wasting time where I could've been taking better/more fun courses, but you also have to be hella careful when you're playing any sport there.

Lest the ones who don't play sports regularly get hurt by your line drive that pegs them in the stomach, or something similar.

Plus, if you had a major run or something in PE and a game later that evening. You could end up blowing yourself out before having to play competitively a few hours later. Sure you'd still be able to play, but you won't be at your best.

/there are a lot of negatives to having both, and almost no positives
//competitive sports + PE = terrible idea.
 
2010-06-18 09:48:01 PM
dahmers love zombie: <cool story, bro>

But goddammit, at least they didn't seize all of the copies and trash them.
</cool story, bro>


Good job! As to the original story, the editorial simply asked 'Should student athletes also have to take PE?' Now the principal nuked the story because the PE dept. went biatching to him about it, and rather then tell them to suck it up, he fabricated a reason to remove the letter...
 
2010-06-18 09:49:26 PM
"Congress shall make no law...." is how the 1st amenendment begins. It realy only limits the laws that can be passed, and some power over administrative policy. It does not apply to whe what a body (the high school) chooses to publish. They are not prohibititing the students from expressing their opionion, just refusing to pay for it. The students are more than free to express themselves outside of the school. And if the school administration "makes it difficult" for the students afterwards, THEN they have something to complain about.

Just try to get any publication to knowingly print self-defacing articles.

On the other hand, it is a silly thing to excercise the right not to publish on. Even if it wasn't a requirement, the Jocks would still take it as an elective, except the ones that realize that few people get a free ride through life entertaining with athletic ability.
 
2010-06-18 09:54:18 PM
I hope the story ends up on Fark.
 
2010-06-18 09:55:13 PM
Baldanders: Oh, yeah, and the first amendment absolutely does not apply to students. Really, none of the amendments in the bill of rights do. Anyway, the school publishes the paper so they have editorial power over it. Which is why it is useless and silly.

Actually, all rights apply to all people, including students and even prisoners. But, in a situation such as a school or prison, administrators may infringe individual rights for legitimate reasons necessary for the function of the institution. Any time a right is infringed, there is supposed to be a justification, but you're never in a situation when you have no right. You may be in a situation when your rights are being infringed for a bullshiat justification that goes uncorrected.
 
2010-06-18 09:55:15 PM
"Weaver95" nails it in one.
 
2010-06-18 09:58:48 PM
Inchoate: endlessmonkeys: Deadhouseplants: You know what, I feel no pity for the students. I mean, when I was in high school, we had ways of side-stepping administrative rule. We would go to the local newspaper and have our thoughts printed up. We had friends at the local college radio. We had access to copy machines, staple guns, and had enough drive to deface every telephone pole in a 20 mile radius.

Did it ever occur to the students to post the editorial, an uncensored version at that say on Facebook. Hell, you could Twitter-bomb or spam email the student directory, along with their parents to the Facebook page. Hell, forward the link to local media, the school board, and maybe other schools with the backstory of the original censorship. See what the Nazi principal does after that. Kids need to learn that the strength of the collective is greater than the weakness of the one.

Adorable. Clearly you've never heard of "Zero Tolerance."

/you are right though, there are always other options, but the punishments nowadays are remarkably stupid and long-lasting

Fark authority. Fark zero tolerance. Deadhouseplants has the right idea.



Yeah! Stick it to the man! Over, uh... what? Wait, what? "No P.E. for jocks?" Mmmm... are you sure? Uh... YEAH! Up against the wall!!!

The expression "pick your battles" is new to some folks, I reckon.

Sensible idea (the editorial), though nothing really very earth-shattering, which provoked an exaggerated, idiotic response. That response is the thing worth publicizing, because there's always value in rubbing administrators' noses in their own moronia. The student editor is in an excellent position to be seen as the only adult in this.
 
2010-06-18 10:00:30 PM
"In particular, PE teachers were concerned that the opinion article was one-sided"

Opinion. I don't think this means what you think it means.
 
2010-06-18 10:03:36 PM
Deadhouseplants: You know what, I feel no pity for the students. I mean, when I was in high school, we had ways of side-stepping administrative rule. We would go to the local newspaper and have our thoughts printed up. We had friends at the local college radio. We had access to copy machines, staple guns, and had enough drive to deface every telephone pole in a 20 mile radius.

Did it ever occur to the students to post the editorial, an uncensored version at that say on Facebook. Hell, you could Twitter-bomb or spam email the student directory, along with their parents to the Facebook page. Hell, forward the link to local media, the school board, and maybe other schools with the backstory of the original censorship. See what the Nazi principal does after that. Kids need to learn that the strength of the collective is greater than the weakness of the one.


You say that as if you completely missed the fact that you just read it from a news article, which managed to get linked to Fark. If they were bending over, we would have never heard about it. I think they're doing alright.
 
2010-06-18 10:04:41 PM
The problem is that the PE teachers don't want to be laid off when they are found to be redundant.
 
2010-06-18 10:05:36 PM
I wrote an article about how the water district had recently reported micro-organisms in our water and what to look out for (as I had recently been diagnosed with amoebic dysentery myself, because of it.)

I used the word "diarrhea" to describe some one of the symptoms that people needed to watch out for.

My student editor for my section, killed the article b/c he thought people might find the term offensive. I took it to the other student editors and they roundly abused him about it b/c it was "medical terminology" and completely acceptable in their opinion. Our teacher was worthless and didn't do anything (to be fair, he didn't do anything for any of it as far as I can recall. He was slacking more than the seniors.)

As our paper had recently run a feature on sex and teens I knew his reasoning to be rubbish. But I decided it wasn't worth more of a fight.

I had a sluff class that I was getting an easy A in my last semester of senior year and had no plans to go into journalism in college. So, whatever.

/It was good practice for getting green lights on fark.
 
2010-06-18 10:08:26 PM
Galileo's Daughter: This is asinine. What about that whole 'freedom of the press' thing? That doesn't apply to high school newspapers?

Freedom of the press applies to the publisher. A student editorial writer has no more right to see his editorial published by the school than he has to see his editorial published by the New York Times; a principal has no less control over the school paper's content than Murdoch has over the Wall Street Journal's content. If you don't like the boss's decision, shop the piece around somewhere else, or publish it yourself.
 
2010-06-18 10:09:18 PM
garthgarth: "In particular, PE teachers were concerned that the opinion article was one-sided"

Opinion. I don't think this means what you think it means.


I see the two sides of opinion here. One side says, "this is what I mean." The other side says, "but this is what I really mean." It is like a mouse driving the horse. All opinions are up to variations. When your new news is from a high school paper you will know what I speak of. It is a case of understanding the context of the 17 year olds. I can speak with them and suggest you endeavor to do the same! You just laugh a lot at what they say and feign interest in those awesome bands I know nothing of. A rupee later you will know what I am lecturing you about.
 
2010-06-18 10:10:03 PM
Galileo's Daughter: This is asinine. What about that whole 'freedom of the press' thing? That doesn't apply to high school newspapers?

No, the school is the publisher of the paper and the principal is the chief executive of the school.

If only there was an alternative to print media -- one that was available to everyone to spout their opinions...
 
2010-06-18 10:13:38 PM
Nem Wan: Baldanders: Oh, yeah, and the first amendment absolutely does not apply to students. Really, none of the amendments in the bill of rights do. Anyway, the school publishes the paper so they have editorial power over it. Which is why it is useless and silly.

Actually, all rights apply to all people, including students and even prisoners. But, in a situation such as a school or prison, administrators may infringe individual rights for legitimate reasons necessary for the function of the institution. Any time a right is infringed, there is supposed to be a justification, but you're never in a situation when you have no right. You may be in a situation when your rights are being infringed for a bullshiat justification that goes uncorrected.


So...they apply unless "the man" has a reason to infringe upon them? And he decides what those reasons are? And it works even in situations where the justification is bullshiat? Pardon me, but that all seems a bit academic. If I'm denied the advantages of my rights, it means I don't have them. That's what being denied something means: you don't have it.

Allow me to amend my statement: the bill of rights does not apply to students in practice.
 
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