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(News & Advance)   You're a high school principal and the student newspaper writes an editorial you don't like. Do you (c) order all copies destroyed because "there were some typos?"   (www2.newsadvance.com) divider line 126
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2010-06-18 06:16:27 PM  
ironically, this is a great way to teach kids about how things work in the real world - if you print (or say) something that dictators don't want to hear, then you can expect harsh crackdowns and censorship of your opinions.
 
2010-06-18 06:32:16 PM  
This is asinine. What about that whole 'freedom of the press' thing? That doesn't apply to high school newspapers?
 
2010-06-18 06:45:28 PM  
Galileo's Daughter: This is asinine. What about that whole 'freedom of the press' thing? That doesn't apply to high school newspapers?

You say that like it applies to non-high school newspapers.
 
2010-06-18 06:48:55 PM  
Galileo's Daughter: This is asinine. What about that whole 'freedom of the press' thing? That doesn't apply to high school newspapers?

Hazelwood School District v. Kuhlmeier (new window)

Short answer: No.
 
2010-06-18 07:20:02 PM  
What gets me is principals who do this end up making a bigger deal out of things than if they had just let whatever run.

Besides, it isn't like the kids were editorializing in favor of something that is currently illegal or could legitimately be said to disrupt the education of students.
 
2010-06-18 07:28:21 PM  
John Dewey: What gets me is principals who do this end up making a bigger deal out of things than if they had just let whatever run.

Besides, it isn't like the kids were editorializing in favor of something that is currently illegal or could legitimately be said to disrupt the education of students.


But if imagine if they were able to draw people to their side? Student-athletes might lose gym class! Can you imagine a society where student-athletes didn't have an extra throw away class to inflate their GPAs?
 
2010-06-18 07:53:54 PM  
Oh, to think of what would happen to Fark if all of its typos-laden submissions were removed.

/Four links a day
//No angry flowers.
 
2010-06-18 07:57:15 PM  
Fact: Without Physd Ed classes more children would be obese.

Fact: Today's lunch special is a Chili Dog & Coke for $1.99
 
2010-06-18 07:57:23 PM  
In particular, PE teachers were concerned that the opinion article was one-sided.

Well yeah, that's pretty much what opinion pieces are.
 
2010-06-18 07:57:30 PM  
Galileo's Daughter: This is asinine. What about that whole 'freedom of the press' thing? That doesn't apply to high school newspapers?

Has anyone said "Nope" yet?
 
2010-06-18 07:59:07 PM  
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"I think I'm PARANOID!"
 
2010-06-18 07:59:17 PM  
Must have hit pretty close to home to get em all riled up like that.
 
2010-06-18 08:00:27 PM  
Transparent action, is transparent.
 
2010-06-18 08:01:26 PM  
Principal sounds fat. Chubby cheeks in the photo do not help.
 
2010-06-18 08:01:52 PM  
LanguageLikeBonsais: Oh, to think of what would happen to Fark if all of its typos-laden submissions were removed.

/Four links a day
//No angry flowers.


sunshineanddesign.files.wordpress.com
 
2010-06-18 08:03:33 PM  
bighasbeen: But if imagine if they were able to draw people to their side? Student-athletes might lose gym class! Can you imagine a society where student-athletes didn't have an extra throw away class to inflate their GPAs?

Then they end up in the SEC, play football, and get an "Interdisciplinary Studies" major.

Really? A major that only requires a bunch of junior-level courses to graduate? I know kids in the popular sports have it easier but that's like you're not even trying.
 
2010-06-18 08:06:54 PM  
You know what, I feel no pity for the students. I mean, when I was in high school, we had ways of side-stepping administrative rule. We would go to the local newspaper and have our thoughts printed up. We had friends at the local college radio. We had access to copy machines, staple guns, and had enough drive to deface every telephone pole in a 20 mile radius.

Did it ever occur to the students to post the editorial, an uncensored version at that say on Facebook. Hell, you could Twitter-bomb or spam email the student directory, along with their parents to the Facebook page. Hell, forward the link to local media, the school board, and maybe other schools with the backstory of the original censorship. See what the Nazi principal does after that. Kids need to learn that the strength of the collective is greater than the weakness of the one.
 
2010-06-18 08:09:09 PM  
How do adults get so stupid? Evey person in that article over 20 sounds like a complete idiot. And they're ganged together like some sort of wall of stupidity these kids have to get over to get on with their lives.
 
2010-06-18 08:09:42 PM  
Deadhouseplants: You know what, I feel no pity for the students. I mean, when I was in high school, we had ways of side-stepping administrative rule. We would go to the local newspaper and have our thoughts printed up. We had friends at the local college radio. We had access to copy machines, staple guns, and had enough drive to deface every telephone pole in a 20 mile radius.

Did it ever occur to the students to post the editorial, an uncensored version at that say on Facebook. Hell, you could Twitter-bomb or spam email the student directory, along with their parents to the Facebook page. Hell, forward the link to local media, the school board, and maybe other schools with the backstory of the original censorship. See what the Nazi principal does after that. Kids need to learn that the strength of the collective is greater than the weakness of the one.


Adorable. Clearly you've never heard of "Zero Tolerance."

/you are right though, there are always other options, but the punishments nowadays are remarkably stupid and long-lasting
 
2010-06-18 08:09:54 PM  
Anyone who goes into high school teaching is only interested in farking high school students or farking them over.
 
2010-06-18 08:10:35 PM  
"...PE teachers were concerned that the opinion article was one-sided..."

Uhm, wouldn't that pretty much be the definition of an editorial?
 
2010-06-18 08:12:31 PM  
fta Albemarle High School Principal Jay Thomas said the newspapers were destroyed {to avoid} "the impact to the author of the editorial"

Is that a threat, you dolt?
 
2010-06-18 08:13:12 PM  
Students had printed the edition, which featured an editorial questioning whether student-athletes need gym class, but the copies were trashed before students could discard them in homeroom. see them after administrators heard complaints from physical education teachers.

Fixed
 
2010-06-18 08:13:42 PM  
one of the things i like about the power of the internet and instant media is the ability for stories like this to be seen publicly and widespread. when i was in high school, absolutely no one outside of that school and their families would have ever heard about this.

i hope that school at the very least gets REALLY annoyed with the public out-lash over it. a lot of sternly worded letters flooding the mail boxes would be hilarious.
 
2010-06-18 08:13:53 PM  
basically anyone who voluntarily agrees to work with teen aqe children is only interested in farking them and using "knowledge" as an excuse to get at that sweet young anus.
 
2010-06-18 08:15:18 PM  
/grew up at a prep school in the 70's
//yes the teachers messed with the students
 
2010-06-18 08:15:50 PM  
endlessmonkeys: Deadhouseplants: You know what, I feel no pity for the students. I mean, when I was in high school, we had ways of side-stepping administrative rule. We would go to the local newspaper and have our thoughts printed up. We had friends at the local college radio. We had access to copy machines, staple guns, and had enough drive to deface every telephone pole in a 20 mile radius.

Did it ever occur to the students to post the editorial, an uncensored version at that say on Facebook. Hell, you could Twitter-bomb or spam email the student directory, along with their parents to the Facebook page. Hell, forward the link to local media, the school board, and maybe other schools with the backstory of the original censorship. See what the Nazi principal does after that. Kids need to learn that the strength of the collective is greater than the weakness of the one.

Adorable. Clearly you've never heard of "Zero Tolerance."

/you are right though, there are always other options, but the punishments nowadays are remarkably stupid and long-lasting


Fark authority. Fark zero tolerance. Deadhouseplants has the right idea.
 
2010-06-18 08:16:49 PM  
ronaprhys: bighasbeen: But if imagine if they were able to draw people to their side? Student-athletes might lose gym class! Can you imagine a society where student-athletes didn't have an extra throw away class to inflate their GPAs?

Then they end up in the SEC, play football, and get an "Interdisciplinary Studies" major.

Really? A major that only requires a bunch of junior-level courses to graduate? I know kids in the popular sports have it easier but that's like you're not even trying.


Why is it that people can major in art, drama, theatre or radio/television/film but not basketball, football, ice hockey, etc?
 
2010-06-18 08:18:26 PM  
Anyone who volunteers with "at risk youth" should be heavily screened for being a sexual predator of youth.
 
2010-06-18 08:18:58 PM  
CommiePuddin: ronaprhys: bighasbeen: But if imagine if they were able to draw people to their side? Student-athletes might lose gym class! Can you imagine a society where student-athletes didn't have an extra throw away class to inflate their GPAs?

Then they end up in the SEC, play football, and get an "Interdisciplinary Studies" major.

Really? A major that only requires a bunch of junior-level courses to graduate? I know kids in the popular sports have it easier but that's like you're not even trying.

Why is it that people can major in art, drama, theatre or radio/television/film but not basketball, football, ice hockey, etc?


Well... this oughta liven the thread up a bit.
 
2010-06-18 08:19:57 PM  
I realize that the school year is ending and there's no opportunity for this right now, but...

It would be great if the students intentionally published an editorial on the censorship of the previous editorial. The principal would either have to suck it up and allow it, or trash it and draw even more negative attention to himself and establish an even worse reputation among the community.
 
2010-06-18 08:22:25 PM  
Wow. They take "grammar Nazi" seriously in Virginia.
 
2010-06-18 08:22:44 PM  
CommiePuddin: Why is it that people can major in art, drama, theatre or radio/television/film but not basketball, football, ice hockey, etc?

Honestly, I've no problem with an actual sports major. However, it'd have to have real classes. Actual strategy in sports is something that's not particularly easy. On top of that, it'd need to encompass more than one sport - and include actual analytics on the statistics (something ESPN fails at miserably, because they suck balls. Football Outsiders is much better for actual statistical analysis).

Art, Drama, and Theatre majors couldn't hack it, though. Exercise and math? That's way too hard.
 
2010-06-18 08:22:51 PM  
He was naive enough to think his actions would go unnoticed at Fark...
 
2010-06-18 08:23:59 PM  
So hopefully you all call the school on Monday, but by then this will be replaced with other stories, no one will care, and the pricipal will go on sucking ass, saying of, handstanding, dangling chads, tolding you so. On Monday he dead or not? CNN says yes.
 
2010-06-18 08:25:41 PM  
<cool story, bro>
When I was a senior in high school, I wrote a story which exposed the school for violating the state law regarding the conditions under which they could search student lockers, cars, and persons. Now, this was back in the '80s, when we gave a rat's ass about student privacy, so things were different. I took the story to the teacher who was the school newspaper's sponsor. He really didn't want to run it, so I told him that I'd be glad to put it in the city newspaper if he wasn't interested.
He ran it. As a double-page center-staple story. With a picture of the state statute books focused on the law they had broken. I was a bit proud.
That day, I had a "discussion" with the principal and the dean, which basically boiled down to "if you had come to us and talked to us before publishing that story, we could have come to an understanding". To which I responded, basically, "Suck it. You're searching the lockers and cars of every male student with long hair, because you think that long hair equals drug dealer. That's wrong, you didn't give legal notice, and I busted you. If you want to pull out rules, be prepared to play by ALL of them".
No, I didn't have long hair. Several of my friends did. They weren't dealers. Well, most of them, anyway.
They grumbled a bit and let me go. I got a lot of detentions for the rest of that year.

But goddammit, at least they didn't seize all of the copies and trash them.
</cool story, bro>
 
2010-06-18 08:25:45 PM  
ronaprhys: CommiePuddin: Why is it that people can major in art, drama, theatre or radio/television/film but not basketball, football, ice hockey, etc?

Honestly, I've no problem with an actual sports major. However, it'd have to have real classes. Actual strategy in sports is something that's not particularly easy. On top of that, it'd need to encompass more than one sport - and include actual analytics on the statistics (something ESPN fails at miserably, because they suck balls. Football Outsiders is much better for actual statistical analysis).

Art, Drama, and Theatre majors couldn't hack it, though. Exercise and math? That's way too hard.


At LSU, the HOT History of Sports professor was fired for not automatically passing the dumbass football players and even more dumbass basketball players.
 
2010-06-18 08:28:56 PM  
Happened in my school back in the early 90's. There was a point-counterpoint newspaper article, principal pulled the paper and blacked out the counterpoint. The article was half the page.

With a marker. Every paper.

/so i got high
//article was 'if there are non-coed sports teams, why not non-coed non-sports teams'
///i think the cuonterpoint was 'yay boys only euchre club'
////but i got high so i am not too sure
 
2010-06-18 08:28:58 PM  
Cool. I'd be gratified if students at the school petitioned the local government to reveal official memos from this guy, and see how many contain typos.
 
2010-06-18 08:29:10 PM  
Freedom of the press is only valid to the point of how the information is distributed. If you are printing a newsletter or fanzine, on your own dime, to your friends, you can say whatever you bloody well want. If you have paying subscribers, then you have to cater to their egos and hang-ups. Tack on paying advertisers, and you have a whole new mine field objections to trip through. Go through a third-party distribution or production/hosting, and you in a third circle of oppression hell.

So you have a school newspaper, where the school is the publisher, which has a personal bias of not letting anything be printed that would knock the school or the employees of said institution, along with not letting anything be published that would upset the parents of the kids that go to that school, and enforcing a code of conduct of what is appropriate and what isn't...

If the press was truly free, then it would be hunted down and shot just for the perceived danger it represented to society. Hell, most comments made in discussion threads are more "free" than the actual written subjects they are commenting on.

That is, until they get deleted and the submitter gets the banhammer.
 
2010-06-18 08:29:12 PM  
TimeWaste
2010-06-18 07:57:15 PM

Fact: Without Physd Ed classes more children would be obese.

Fact: Today's lunch special is a Chili Dog & Coke for $1.99

***
Chili Dog and a Coke for $1.99?
That's sounds good, ya that's what I'll have. Thanks...
 
2010-06-18 08:30:22 PM  
Students had printed the edition, which featured an editorial questioning whether student-athletes need gym class...

Lol dude, way to potentially throw your career away over quite possibly the silliest, most pointless argument a high school student can put forth. Well, perhaps it's for the best: you give the little anarchists an inch, and before you know it they're questioning what happened to Pizza Friday's, and asking questions about what really goes on in the teachers lounge.

/God high school kids are dumb
 
2010-06-18 08:32:13 PM  
a school, is much more like a dictatorship. Lefties have a tingle.
 
2010-06-18 08:33:54 PM  
CommiePuddin: ronaprhys: bighasbeen: But if imagine if they were able to draw people to their side? Student-athletes might lose gym class! Can you imagine a society where student-athletes didn't have an extra throw away class to inflate their GPAs?

Then they end up in the SEC, play football, and get an "Interdisciplinary Studies" major.

Really? A major that only requires a bunch of junior-level courses to graduate? I know kids in the popular sports have it easier but that's like you're not even trying.

Why is it that people can major in art, drama, theatre or radio/television/film but not basketball, football, ice hockey, etc?


In sports, simply being really really good will land you a job making millions. There isn't enough top-quality talent to go around. There are 0 professional sports teams who feel that they couldn't improve by replacing some of their lesser-talented players. A degree would be meaningless - if you're good enough, you're in.

In film/theatre/etc, no matter how good you are, you probably won't be able to break into Hollywood. Your degree at least gives you an edge over those who don't have one. Or, more importantly, that's what the university wants you to think when you fork over your cash.
 
2010-06-18 08:37:10 PM  
Okay, never mind. I see the point of the P.E. teachers. I was looking up the LSU story I mentioned above, and then I found this RECENT gem: Link (new window)

I teach students at a top 20 university. Really. They are farking morans. About 85% of them are lazy pieces of shiat with a LOT of potential, but instead of applying it they just biatch and moan. I'm lucky enough to not have to give a shiat. They fail. I make more money for the university. It works. But the poor lecturers--those without tenure. They better damn sure pass 'em are they will be made examples of.

A college degree is about as credible these days as me farking the students AND their mothers at the same time. And administrators eat that shiat up. So these kids are learning a valuable lesson--play by the rules and perform fellatio on administrators and you will succeed.
 
2010-06-18 08:39:29 PM  
RichZZZ: "...PE teachers were concerned that the opinion article was one-sided..."

Uhm, wouldn't that pretty much be the definition of an editorial?


This is what I thought. Once again, a High School Principal makes a mountain out of a mole-hill. The editorial will be published in the city's "Big Boy" newspaper and will be read by far more people than if the idiot... er, principal, had just let things be.

More evidence to support my theory that school administrators, after being hired and as part of their orientation, are routinely LOBOTOMIZED. Until I can find evidence to show otherwise, I'm pretty positive this theory will be proved.
 
2010-06-18 08:40:15 PM  
someguy945: In sports, simply being really really good will land you a job making millions. There isn't enough top-quality talent to go around. There are 0 professional sports teams who feel that they couldn't improve by replacing some of their lesser-talented players. A degree would be meaningless - if you're good enough, you're in.

I taught a student who had that philosophy. He didn't try...at all. I agreed with him--he was going to be WAYYYY up in the draft (this season). I passed him--the degree was meaningless. Unfortunately for him, the coaches thought he was a lazy piece of shiat. He was an AMAZING college football player. I mean amazing; he's farked. He was drafted in the third round. He won't play. He has no skills. farked.
 
2010-06-18 08:42:14 PM  
VictorOfBorge: More evidence to support my theory that school administrators, after being hired and as part of their orientation, are routinely LOBOTOMIZED. Until I can find evidence to show otherwise, I'm pretty positive this theory will be proved.

Nah, I think they are just really good sexually, and really retarded. In the university system, the only thing that keeps shiat on track is tenure. Without it, every single university, without a doubt, would be a degree factory. Not just the SEC schools and the University of Texas.
 
2010-06-18 08:45:18 PM  
When i was in high school and the principal pulled crap like this we started an underground paper that we printed and handed out ourselves. It was more popular than the real school paper. If the kids have brains what they write will get read. No matter what the idiots in charge of the school wish.
 
2010-06-18 08:45:18 PM  
Way to go, principal. You caused the editorial to get far more notice than it would have and created a controversy about yourself. Once again, you've proved my theory that if a school official uses his authority in a way that makes out-of-town news, he probably went too far.
 
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