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2010-06-19 07:49:20 PM
Relatively Obscure: That was a pretty sweet cliffhanger, but I can't believe someone is tracking its freakin' anniversary or whatever. NERD!

Technically the anniversary it might have aired in a particular city falls anytime between June 18-24 because TNG was syndicated to local stations and there wasn't a nationally cleared time slot. June 18, 1990 was a Monday. Each station aired it in a locally determined time slot between Monday and Sunday, often late night or weekends, though some stations put it in weekday prime time if they didn't have network programming and thought TNG could compete. Thank God hardly anyone used the Internet back then or Monday viewers would be posting spoilers some people would have to avoid till the next Sunday.
 
2010-06-19 07:50:33 PM
PooPooUndies: Anyway, my opinion is that the show definitely hold up over time. While I love the original series, it does seem very dated. The cast and crew of TNG should be proud that they made a show that is perfectly watchable 20 years later.


I am probably the only one in this thread (since I didn't read a lot of the posts) that just couldn't get into this show. I tried, and there were a few episodes that really stood out. I will watch any episode with Q, and The Borg was a pretty awesome concept.

That having been said, that cliffhanger had as an exciting result as I had come to expect from that show. Lots of buildup into a resounding "meh".

/respects those of you that love it.
//so don't be hatin'.
///will take a big hit of DS9 anytime.


HOW DOES IT FEEL to be dead to a massive part of our culture? How does it feel to be ignorant to the humanity, empathy, and genius of Gene Roddenberry?

Curious - what do you like? Is there -anything- that you're passionate about? I am serious here - what do you like?

DS9 had its moments but for the most part, it was a lame precursor to the even lamer Voyager, culminating in the ultimate lameness of "Enterprise". You're Rick Berman's alt, aren't you.
 
2010-06-19 11:17:05 PM
The Nth Degree was one of my favorite TNG episodes. Barkley just takes over the ship with his brain. My favorite line in that one was when the computer can't make the brain interface himself and he says "then I'll just tell you how to make one".

And yeah, Data taking over the ship in the episode about his creator was probably the best display of how much of a badass Data was.

I'd have to say that I like DS9 a tad better, though. The characters and story telling seemed more human and relevant, considering that it wasn't always episodic. (Stole that shiat from B5.)

Voyager was farking Gillian's Island in space. Enterprise was a goddamn joke, especially when casting that goddamn joke of a captain.
 
2010-06-19 11:25:19 PM
jessicat: ZeroCorpse : Stuff

Data was always my favorite character. Sure, he saved the day wayyy more than was necessary, but he also got the most character development of any of them. Honestly, if they ever make another STNG movie I won't watch it. Killing off Data was like killing off the soul of the show.

/you bastards! you killed Data!


Actually:

1) They didn't end up killing off Data. If you read the pre-cursor comic to the "Star Trek" movie (it was called Star Trek: Countdown), they find Data's brain and transplant him into the other android. In the time of the comic (which is about 10-15 years after TNG and all of that), Data is already a captain.

2) They won't be making another Star Trek in that universe any more. The new movie was a reboot, and the comic was sort of a final farewell to the original timeline/universe and its characters. Spock ends up in the new timeline, but everything is/will be different from the original.

The comic is about an hour read and it's a good bridge between the new movie and the old timeline. Explains a lot of things.

monsterscifishow.files.wordpress.com
 
2010-06-19 11:31:13 PM
SineSwiper:

2) They won't be making another Star Trek in that universe any more.


So, basically, they stopped making new Star Trek when Enterprise ended.

Gotchya.
 
2010-06-19 11:53:33 PM
ChrisPC: Mugato: Better than the one where Picard skipped the chance to send a virus into the Borg and let the one they had free. If it were Sisko in his place, the Borg would be extinct.

Sounds like a Doctor Who episode, "Genesis of the Daleks". But Trek would never steal any ideas from Doctor Who!

Never...


yeah, and the first episode showing the Borg had No references to Doctor Who at all. what was the name of it again? oh yeah.. Q Who? heyyyy waitaminute!
(allegedly a casualty list on a monitor in the background listed all the previous actors who had played the Doctor)
 
2010-06-20 12:34:56 AM
FirstNationalBastard: SineSwiper:

2) They won't be making another Star Trek in that universe any more.

So, basically, they stopped making new Star Trek when Enterprise ended.

Gotchya.


Enterprise is fully in continuity with both the old and new "universes". It depicts the 22nd century that resulted from the TNG characters' time travel to the 21st century in First Contact, and the 2009 movie follows Enterprise, making reference to Admiral Archer which writer Bob Orci confirmed to be the extremely long-lived Jonathan Archer. Technically there is still only one Star Trek universe, but there are multiple realities and paradoxes due to time travel.
 
2010-06-20 02:17:25 AM
"Computer, what is the nature of the universe?"
"The universe is a spheroid region, 705 meters in diameter."
 
2010-06-20 02:27:53 AM
I liked "Enterprise". I don't know what everyone thinks so sucks about it. Aside from the title theme song.
 
2010-06-20 03:01:17 AM
20 years?!

I better start filling out my AARP membership form.
 
2010-06-20 04:00:52 AM
Mugato: I don't know what everyone thinks so sucks about it.

I liked it too, but it had a pretty slow pace and the characters were.....kinda dry.
 
2010-06-20 05:12:28 AM
Mugato: I liked "Enterprise". I don't know what everyone thinks so sucks about it. Aside from the title theme song.

They just don't have faith. Faith of the heeaaart.
 
2010-06-20 09:10:27 AM
Nem Wan: Relatively Obscure: That was a pretty sweet cliffhanger, but I can't believe someone is tracking its freakin' anniversary or whatever. NERD!

Technically the anniversary it might have aired in a particular city falls anytime between June 18-24 because TNG was syndicated to local stations and there wasn't a nationally cleared time slot. June 18, 1990 was a Monday. Each station aired it in a locally determined time slot between Monday and Sunday, often late night or weekends, though some stations put it in weekday prime time if they didn't have network programming and thought TNG could compete. Thank God hardly anyone used the Internet back then or Monday viewers would be posting spoilers some people would have to avoid till the next Sunday.


I lived in one of those areas that didn't get to watch until Thursday. For the final episode, I travelled 2 hours to a town where it showed on Monday and in stereo, rented a room, and recorded it off the air. I then came back, borrowed a projector and screen from my workplace, and held a special surround-sound showing for a couple dozen of my friends one day before the rest of my home area got to see it.

\cool nerd story, bro
 
2010-06-20 12:28:07 PM
caperbear: yeah, and the first episode showing the Borg had No references to Doctor Who at all

This week's "Doctor Who" came full circle- a half-destroyed Cyberman threatened "You will be assimilated."
 
2010-06-21 01:25:32 AM
Mugato: I liked "Enterprise". I don't know what everyone thinks so sucks about it. Aside from the title theme song.

My problems with Enterprise, in no particular order:

1. Retconning the technology on the ships. Archer's Enterprise was actually more advanced than Kirk's. That just bugs me.

2. I hated that they used species that were supposedly not met by humans until much later, like the Ferengi, who supposedly made first contact with Picard's Enterprise, and the Klingons, who were not supposed to come along until much later, and the Tholians, who were supposed to be new to Kirk.

3. The sudden, out-of-nowhere revelation that to Vulcans, humans "smell bad". Where the hell did that come from?!?! T'Pol is the only Vulcan to ever mention it? Spock never saw fit to use that against McCoy? COME ON!

4. Yeah. That theme song hardly said, "now you're in for adventure!" -- It actually said something more like, "Your Grandma's favorite family show is on!"

5. The B&B tendency to fall back on insane amounts of technobabble to resolve an episode and get out of trouble was at its worst on this show (or maybe Voyager. I hated Voyager, too.)

6. I'm not fond of the idea that there was a non-Federation "Enterprise" that explored space before Pike/Kirk started the five-year mission. Kirk was supposed to be blazing trails, but Enterprise did a lot to undermine the uniqueness and originality of Kirk's missions.

7. No insult to the actor, but Doctor Phlox was a contrived character who grated on me. He was like the token alien, and they did everything they could to make him have all the tired, old "fish out of water" experiences and lines. He was, in short, a major cliche that bothered me.

8. While exceptionally hot, T'Pol was also biatchy, nasty, mean, and unlikeable. She didn't come off as an unemotional Vulcan; She seemed more like a Romulan with sand in her snatch.

9. All the rest of the retcons the show made... I can't even get into it here. There were plenty.
 
2010-06-21 04:48:30 PM
ZeroCorpse: Mugato: I liked "Enterprise". I don't know what everyone thinks so sucks about it. Aside from the title theme song.

My problems with Enterprise, in no particular order:

1. Retconning the technology on the ships. Archer's Enterprise was actually more advanced than Kirk's. That just bugs me.

Not really. Archer's Enterprise only could make t to warp 4. Their transporter didn't work very well. I don't know what else they had that was superior to Kirk's.

2. I hated that they used species that were supposedly not met by humans until much later, like the Ferengi, who supposedly made first contact with Picard's Enterprise, and the Klingons, who were not supposed to come along until much later, and the Tholians, who were supposed to be new to Kirk.

They made sure the Ferengi didn't actually meet Archer's crew. And I don't know of any mention that the Klingons were a new species in Kirk's time.

3. The sudden, out-of-nowhere revelation that to Vulcans, humans "smell bad". Where the hell did that come from?!?! T'Pol is the only Vulcan to ever mention it? Spock never saw fit to use that against McCoy? COME ON!

That's getting into nitpicke territory.

4. Yeah. That theme song hardly said, "now you're in for adventure!" -- It actually said something more like, "Your Grandma's favorite family show is on!"

Yeah, the song sucked.

5. The B&B tendency to fall back on insane amounts of technobabble to resolve an episode and get out of trouble was at its worst on this show (or maybe Voyager. I hated Voyager, too.)

The Next Generation had far worse technobabble
 
2010-06-21 06:47:52 PM
I love ST:TNG, however as someone said earlier...who's tracking these as 20 year anniverseries!

NEEERRRRRDSSS!
home.comcast.net
 
2010-06-21 08:05:04 PM
stvdallas: I love ST:TNG, however as someone said earlier...who's tracking these as 20 year anniverseries!

NEEERRRRRDSSS!


The "nerds" picture posted in a topic related to sci-fi. How clever.
 
2010-06-21 09:07:40 PM
Lampmonster: "Parallels" I think it was called. Yeah that's one of my favorites as well. I still remember the Riker with the huge beard yelling "We won't go back!" since they had to fight the borg all the time in their reality.

yeah I'm a geek

He then got himself blowed up real good. I think of him as loser Riker.


No, Loser Riker was the Transporter copy that got left alone on that planet for 15 years. Then he gets rescued by the other copy, who's now the first officer of the flagship. Winner Riker. Then he does a whole bunch of unbelievably romantic stuff to woo back the love of his life, but she eventually decides that her job counseling the Happiest Starship Crew in the Galaxy is better than being with Loser Riker, so Loser Riker changes his name to the middle name that he always hated, and leaves to go serve on some lesser ship.

Later, Loser Riker has an uncharacteristic streak of good luck when Kira Nerys thinks he's totally dreamy, and he succeeds in stealing the Defiant. Of course, this makes Kira cease thinking he's dreamy, so Loser Riker never seals the deal. Then Loser Riker gets caught by the Cardassians.

Loser Riker then presumably spends 4 years wondering if there really are five lights, after which he is presumably vaporized in the Federation offensive on Cardassia, possibly by a phaser blast fired by Winner Riker, who will later marry the love of Loser Riker's life.
 
2010-06-21 10:50:18 PM
If Loser Riker had had any brains, he would have went around the universe farking up Winner Riker's life.

Loser Riker could have impregnated dozens of women, and the paternity tests would have shown that winner Riker was the father.

Loser Riker could have insulted alien heads of state, gotten himself made the most wanted man on dozens of planets, and said "my name is Will Riker, and I did this!", and then just disappeared and watched as dozens of civilizations came hunting after Winner Riker's head.

Hell, Loser Riker could have just killed Winner Riker in some out of the way place, took over his life, and no one ever would have known.

Loser Riker really was a dumbass, wasn't he?
 
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