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(Post Gazette)   Study: Allegheny County to spend $300,000 on bicycle and pedestrian transportation ideas. Objective: Your good health. Reality: People drive from Target to Sam's club even though it's the same parking lot   (post-gazette.com) divider line 101
    More: Fail, Allegheny County, state Department of Transportation, pedestrians, down towns, objectives, commuters, transportation, parking lot  
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2010-06-18 01:27:39 PM  
but its so HARD to walk!!
 
2010-06-18 01:29:26 PM  
YOU try carrying two 50-gallon drums of Tide detergent back to your car.
 
2010-06-18 01:30:46 PM  
man pennsylvania has some jacked up names for citys. whats a township? burrough? valley....gazzett all sounds so unclean. maybe walking would help.
 
2010-06-18 01:30:57 PM  
Note to subby: The fact that people are lazy assholes does not make a good idea less good. I'd rather they spend $300K on bikes and pedestrian solutions than $3 million on red-light cameras.
 
2010-06-18 01:31:15 PM  
This is more about having to carry items back to your car than being lazy. Moving a cart full of cushions blindly across a parking lot the size of Rhode Island is not only dangerous but pisses drivers off.
 
2010-06-18 01:31:32 PM  
This sounds bad on its face but people normally go to Target and Sams Club to buy large quantities of stuff.

Considering the size of these parking lots and the amount of stuff people buy, I have no problem with this.
 
2010-06-18 01:31:36 PM  
schattenteufel: YOU try carrying two 50-gallon drums of Tide detergent Nacho cheeese back to your car.

FTFY
 
2010-06-18 01:35:37 PM  
I exercise but I would still move my car from one huge parking lot to another especially if I'm gonna be buying a bunch of shiat at the other store. When it's time to shop it's time to shop and when it's time to run or swim it's time to run or swim, I don't see a kiosk to buy cheap Chinese shiat at the bottom of the pool.
 
2010-06-18 01:35:55 PM  
People *regularly* walk a half-a-mile, between their car, a circumambulation of a mega-Walmart, up and down a half dozen aisles, and back to their car. Somehow, this doesn't count. But, expect people to walk a quarter-mile from downtown shops to parking? Many will never do it.
 
2010-06-18 01:36:02 PM  
LandOfChocolate: Considering the size of these parking lots and the amount of stuff people buy, I have no problem with this.

Many people have a problem with the size of those parking lots and the amount of stuff people buy, and the whole big box concept in general.
 
2010-06-18 01:36:36 PM  
This sounds bad on its face but people normally go to Target and Sams Club to buy large quantities of stuff.

Depends on how you define parking lot, but usually the solution is to park as equidistant as possible and take the 50 gallon drum of nacho cheese back to your car with a cart, then go on to the other store.
 
2010-06-18 01:36:52 PM  
And how do you carry groceries on your bike anyway? Basket? Honest question, I'm going two wheeled in a little over a month.
 
2010-06-18 01:37:46 PM  
I love watching people spend 10 minutes trying to get a parking spot in the front instead of parking in the back and being in the store 9 minutes quicker.
 
2010-06-18 01:38:03 PM  
Pengfish: And how do you carry groceries on your bike anyway? Basket? Honest question, I'm going two wheeled in a little over a month.

The little trailers are great for a grocery run.
 
2010-06-18 01:38:14 PM  
Pengfish: And how do you carry groceries on your bike anyway? Basket? Honest question, I'm going two wheeled in a little over a month.

They have little trailers for your bike if you want to haul a bunch of stuff.
 
2010-06-18 01:38:25 PM  
zfarkingman: man pennsylvania has some jacked up names for citys. whats a township? burrough? valley....gazzett all sounds so unclean. maybe walking would help.

Pennsylvania Cities and Municipalities (new window)
 
2010-06-18 01:41:35 PM  
Obviously subby has never tried going home on a bike with $400 worth of Sams Club uselessness.


-1 for suggesting the impossible
 
2010-06-18 01:41:58 PM  
My wife's from Penn Hills. It is one of the most depressing, dirty, burned out h3ll holes known to civilization. I've always loathed driving the 7-8 hours to "visit her family"; the fact that there's nothing to do but drink IC and eat Primanni Bros while watching tv - I'd rather eat a bullet.

Now that she's requested a divorce, I can at LEAST look forward to never, ever, EVER seeing that God forsaken city and all it's 'burgs'... Yunz kin gwan don ton wid Dwonny an rod d'inclon den gwan beatchya up zum phagues...
 
2010-06-18 01:42:08 PM  
People who won't walk even short distances can bite me. Tonight I'm gonna walk sixty freaking miles -- finishing sometime tomorrow afternoon -- to raise money for breast cancer.

Really.

Read about it here: Link (new window)
 
2010-06-18 01:42:58 PM  
Actually Pittsburgh is becoming one of the best biking cities in the country. We have a good biking community, good bike lanes, after the 4 mile gap is closed, we will have a straight shot to bike to DC. We have several good county, state, and city parks in which to mountain bike. It's actually pretty good...

/Beer swilling mountain biker
//Also owns SUV
///Fark off
 
2010-06-18 01:42:59 PM  
I will drive from the Target on Broadway in Tucson to the Home Depot even though they share a lot. The lot is a ten minute traverse on foot. I have better ways to take care of my health.
 
2010-06-18 01:43:44 PM  
Bunnyhat: I love watching people spend 10 minutes trying to get a parking spot in the front instead of parking in the back and being in the store 9 minutes quicker.

I see this all the time on my college campus. People weaving among the lanes closest to the buildings when there are several good parking spots in the back lots.

As my aunt likes to say, "Park the farking car."
 
2010-06-18 01:44:05 PM  
Bunnyhat: I love watching people spend 10 minutes trying to get a parking spot in the front instead of parking in the back and being in the store 9 minutes quicker.

This is my pet peeve. People will sit idle for minutes at a time with their blinker on, waiting for someone to load their groceries and kids into the car and then back out. These people tend to have no self-awareness at all; in any walk of life. I hate them, and they should go away.
 
2010-06-18 01:44:10 PM  
Bunnyhat: I love watching people spend 10 minutes trying to get a parking spot in the front instead of parking in the back and being in the store 9 minutes quicker.

QFT

I love being smug about parking far out and walking into the store while other people who got there at the same time are sitting waiting for a close spot.
 
2010-06-18 01:44:33 PM  
jayfurr: People who won't walk even short distances can bite me. Tonight I'm gonna walk sixty freaking miles -- finishing sometime tomorrow afternoon -- to raise money for breast cancer.

Really.

Read about it here: Link (new window)


Girlfriend just got done running the Laurel Mountain Ultra (70 MILE run) and is gonna fast walk the Rachel Carson challenge this Saturday, then we're gonna go Hash! (See hash house harriers)
 
2010-06-18 01:45:19 PM  
I drive between the Target and the grocery store that share a parking lot. There is a retention pond and fence between, and the sidewalks don't connect, leaving walking in traffic the only option. The US viewpoint is that pedestrianship, unless it's clearly for exercise only and not useful, is suspicious if not downright criminal.
 
2010-06-18 01:45:23 PM  
I just walked three miles around Pittsburgh last night, so I'm really getting a kick...

A nice, half-hour walk in cool evening weather.

//I walk rather fast.

bump: he fact that there's nothing to do but drink IC and eat Primanni Bros while watching tv

Your ex-in-laws sound like classic Yinzers. I've lived in Pittsburgh for three years, and have not once had IC or Primanti's.
 
2010-06-18 01:47:46 PM  
Pengfish: And how do you carry groceries on your bike anyway? Basket? Honest question, I'm going two wheeled in a little over a month.

Get a touring bike that has eyelets for racks in the front and back. From there you can mount a variety of baskets, panniers etc. The best bet for groceries are removable rear mount racks, there are a bunch out there, just ask your local shop. Good on ya for going 2 wheels.
 
2010-06-18 01:47:59 PM  
Pengfish: And how do you carry groceries on your bike anyway? Basket? Honest question, I'm going two wheeled in a little over a month.

Several ways:
- front basket
- rear basket*
- panniers*

The later two require a rear rack. Panniers are bags that hook onto the sides of the rack. They make some designed for groceries (the same size as a brown paper grocery bag). Permanently attached baskets are nice if you are in the habit of picking up a few things very frequently because it is always with your bike. Of course you can use a basket and panniers, and even a trailer if you want to haul a lot. It takes some practice to get fast with taking panniers full of groceries on and off, and it will affect your balance if they aren't loaded evenly. You bike handles a bit differently and you are slower to accelerate, but it becomes second nature after a couple trips.

Tip: When you are in the store with your cart, keep the panniers open in the cart so you judge if the food will fit. Far small trips I just bring one pannier (you learn to balance) with me into the store and stick my groceries straight into it. Take them out at the checkout and put them back in. So simple.
 
2010-06-18 01:49:58 PM  
I always get a kick out of those people that will circle the parking lot at the gym for ten minutes looking for spot close to the door.
 
2010-06-18 01:50:43 PM  
Pengfish: And how do you carry groceries on your bike anyway?

homo erotically?
 
2010-06-18 01:50:43 PM  
whatshisname: Many people have a problem with the size of those parking lots and the amount of stuff people buy, and the whole big box concept in general.

Meanwhile, most obviously don't, seeing the success of said big-box stores.
 
2010-06-18 01:51:10 PM  
seriouslyblog.files.wordpress.com

For your health!!
 
2010-06-18 01:52:06 PM  
Inside the Wal-mart, I smugly walk past the land whales in the scooters.

/still was amazed able bodied people rent scooters to get around Disney world, the lazy farks.
 
2010-06-18 01:53:01 PM  
bump: Now that she's requested a divorce, I can at LEAST look forward to never, ever, EVER seeing that God forsaken city and all it's 'burgs'... Yunz kin gwan don ton wid Dwonny an rod d'inclon den gwan beatchya up zum phagues...

Having grown up in tne North Hills, I was with you until the last bit there. You've lost me. I've got no idea what "zum phagues" is.

t3knomanser: I've lived in Pittsburgh for three years, and have not once had IC or Primanti's.

I enjoy Primanti's for what it is (which I'll have just about annually), but I really don't understand the popularity of IC. It is terrible.
 
2010-06-18 01:53:14 PM  
Pengfish: And how do you carry groceries on your bike anyway? Basket? Honest question, I'm going two wheeled in a little over a month.

Buy a trailer - I use one to haul my kids, but they have a decent compartment in the back for groceries. Beware, though, those things are a drag. Literally - if you're biking against a headwind, it's a nightmare.

J.Shelby: I drive between the Target and the grocery store that share a parking lot. There is a retention pond and fence between, and the sidewalks don't connect, leaving walking in traffic the only option. The US viewpoint is that pedestrianship, unless it's clearly for exercise only and not useful, is suspicious if not downright criminal.

This. At some point the various city planning departments of the USA should've taken matters into their own hands instead of letting box-mall developers and housing developers run roughshod over our cities. Now it's too late to inject bike lanes and pedestrian paths into those environments - you're 20 miles of alternating break-neck and hypercongested traffic from everywhere, where the hell are you going to bike or walk to?
 
2010-06-18 01:53:16 PM  
Pengfish: And how do you carry groceries on your bike anyway? Basket? Honest question, I'm going two wheeled in a little over a month.

Look on-line for Grocery Bag Panniers. You can carry two brown paper bags of groceries very nicely. They have worked well for me.
 
2010-06-18 01:54:20 PM  
Given the (general) topography of that area (at least where my relatives live) you have to be *really* dedicated to be willing to bike and/or walk up some of those hills.
 
2010-06-18 01:54:24 PM  
I'm partial to these Banjo Brothers Market Panniers (new window). You can find them for about $35 at times. I have a Topeak Super Tourist DX Tubular Rack (new window) I got for about $45. The lower side rails let you attach the panniers while still strapping something to the top of the rack (e.g., your u-lock).

You can buy nicer racks and panniers, or at least some suited for different needs. On my other bike I have a much beefier rack and I use panniers designed for touring rather than shopping, but then again I use that bike for touring rather than shopping.

Just make sure your bike has mount points for a rack.
 
2010-06-18 01:54:36 PM  
jayfurr: People who won't walk even short distances can bite me. Tonight I'm gonna walk sixty freaking miles -- finishing sometime tomorrow afternoon -- to raise money for breast cancer.

How does this work, exactly? Do you get friends to sponsor you and donate the proceeds to a cause?
 
2010-06-18 01:55:13 PM  
God--: Actually Pittsburgh is becoming one of the best biking cities in the country.

They've levelled the damn hills then, have they?
 
2010-06-18 01:55:59 PM  
bump: My wife's from Penn Hills. It is one of the most depressing, dirty, burned out h3ll holes known to civilization. I've always loathed driving the 7-8 hours to "visit her family"; the fact that there's nothing to do but drink IC and eat Primanni Bros while watching tv - I'd rather eat a bullet.

Now that she's requested a divorce, I can at LEAST look forward to never, ever, EVER seeing that God forsaken city and all it's 'burgs'... Yunz kin gwan don ton wid Dwonny an rod d'inclon den gwan beatchya up zum phagues...


D'jeet?
Naw.
Yinz wanna go to da eaten park?
 
2010-06-18 01:56:10 PM  
Murphyr: IC. It is terrible

I wasn't aware it's popular. I've only ever heard it called "Iron Shiatty". There are a lot of good local beers in Pittsburgh, but IC is not one of them.
 
2010-06-18 01:56:27 PM  
People who won't walk even short distances can bite me. Tonight I'm gonna walk sixty freaking miles -- finishing sometime tomorrow afternoon -- to raise money for breast cancer.

Really.

Read about it here: Link (new window)


You sound very importit...
 
2010-06-18 01:58:25 PM  
t3knomanser: I wasn't aware it's popular. I've only ever heard it called "Iron Shiatty". There are a lot of good local beers in Pittsburgh, but IC is not one of them.

Could it be popular in a hipster-I'm-too-cool-for-advertising-Ironic kind of way?

/It really is a lousy beer.
 
2010-06-18 01:59:01 PM  
Americans make no farking sense. We fantasize about living in exciting, cosmopolitan places like Paris, Milan, Madrid, NYC, Boston, Tokyo, Montreal, etc...

and then we design cities that look like this:

foodmarathon.files.wordpress.com
 
2010-06-18 01:59:30 PM  
ricewater_stool: For your health!!

But where's the shushi meat, peaches & guac-a-mole?

/if your armpits are stinky just put some vinegar on them dummy
 
2010-06-18 02:01:14 PM  
gobucks312: schattenteufel: YOU try carrying two 50-gallon drums of Tide detergent & Nacho cheeese back to your car.

FTFY



Why can't it be both?
 
2010-06-18 02:02:09 PM  
This: Americans make no farking sense. We fantasize about living in exciting, cosmopolitan places like Paris, Milan, Madrid, NYC, Boston, Tokyo, Montreal, etc...

and then we design cities that look like this:


It's because land isn't at a premium in the rest of the country. Why be on top of one another when it's easier and cheaper to develop horizontally vs verically?

/besides why else do you think they call it fly over country
 
2010-06-18 02:02:28 PM  
Biking in Pittsburgh is only for the truly dedicated. Anyone who's been here can tell you that we have terrain that shows god was really drunk when he made this area.
 
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