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(RedOrbit)   Muslim woman sues for religious rights to wear veil for driver's license. Swears on Bible to testify in court   ( divider line
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2003-05-28 08:16:33 AM  
It's "swears", and muslims read the bible too, much like christians read the old testament.
2003-05-28 08:28:48 AM  
The link doesn't work, and the yahoo story doesn't say anything about the bible. Constitutionally you're allowed to affirm without swearing on the bible, so she probably didn't.
2003-05-28 09:14:59 AM  
There's a religious belief about driver's licenses? I didn't realize that Islam was that young.
2003-05-28 09:49:11 AM  
Headline is neither spelled correctly, nor accurate, nor ironic. Kids these days.
2003-05-28 09:59:44 AM  
The submitter is a [image from too old to be available].

[Reasons already noted in other posts]
2003-05-28 10:37:29 AM  
Driving is a privlidge, not a right. You want to drive in the USA? OK, Buy some insurance, (spelled i-n-s-u-r-a-n-c-e)pass a written test(in English,pass the driving test, and take the towel off your farking head for the photo. Otherwise walk. Your choice.
2003-05-28 11:38:56 AM  
Hey, my religion That's it! I can't have pictures taken of my face, so they have to take a picture of me bending over and showing my enormous gaping maw of a rectum. Sure, that's the ticket...
I'm also required to fap to boobies at least three times a day, and the lack of decent Boobies links on Fark is causing me to suffer. Hear me, Drew? Law-suit!

Religious freedom has legal limits. Lots of them. If she don't wanna lose the veil, SHE CAN WALK.
2003-05-28 01:12:25 PM  
Driving is a privlidge, not a right. You want to drive in the USA? OK, Buy some insurance, (spelled i-n-s-u-r-a-n-c-e)pass a written test(in English,pass the driving test, and take the towel off your farking head for the photo. Otherwise walk. Your choice.

Good one.
2003-05-28 01:57:22 PM  
You know her eyebrows look dark enough that I could use that license if I wore a veil. Oh all the hijinks and capers I'd pursue with her license and a veil, "Women only you say? Why look at me I'm a 35 year old Muslim woman, it says so right on my license."
2003-05-28 01:59:43 PM  
Zenmaster as a Total Farker you have no reason to complain about lack of boobies links. Assholians can be such assholes.
2003-05-28 02:18:21 PM  
privlidge - spelled p-r-i-v-l-i-d-g-e.

If she were a true muslim, she shouldn't come out of the house without her husband/son/brother or drive cars in the first place. Hypocrites, all you religious people.
2003-05-28 02:33:51 PM  
How does wearing an article of clothing all the time achieve any kind of spiritual attainment? Do they ascend to the heavens after a while or something?
2003-05-28 02:42:42 PM  
[image from too old to be available]

2003-05-28 04:20:25 PM  
ahhh.. finally a post that makes sense...
thanks assmaster!
2003-05-28 04:59:52 PM  
I hope her towel gets caught in the steering wheel and rips her empty head off.

/runs and hides from allah
2003-05-28 05:01:37 PM  
I couldn't have said it better myself I_Can't_Believe_It's_Not_Smegma.
2003-05-28 05:02:40 PM  
Dev2r: Um, no offense, but actually it's spelled "priviledge."
2003-05-28 05:04:34 PM  
05-28-03 10:37:29 AM I_Can't_Believe_It's_Not_Smegma
05-28-03 04:59:52 PM Sharkroy

jeez. Intolerant much?
Religious beliefs are religious beliefs. In the State of Indiana, they allow a photo exempt drivers license. They should just let her do that. BTW, It's not mandated that you have to cover your face. I know a few Muslim girls who cover up their hair, but not their faces. They should just let her do what she wants, and be done with it. Then they can wear their white hoods in the pictures on their drivers licenses.
2003-05-28 05:04:39 PM  
She isn't being forced to have her face photographed, she has the option of not getting her face photographeed, consequently not being able to drive legally. Isn't letting a woman drive a car against Islam, too?
2003-05-28 05:05:09 PM  
I think she should also sue for the religious right for her 11 year old daughter to wear a thong as well.
2003-05-28 05:05:31 PM  
No, it's spellded "priverlage"
2003-05-28 05:05:36 PM  
All religion needs to be banned. It is the root of all problems in society.

2003-05-28 05:06:47 PM  
Anybody want the licensce (spelling) photo?

[image from too old to be available]

and thanks for not posting my article WITH THE PHOTO when I submitted it 8 hours ago (ANGST!!)
2003-05-28 05:06:57 PM  
Headline would've been funnier if submitter had added "God unsure of how to respond" or some such at the end. Let the flamewar commence! Summon teh Bevets!
2003-05-28 05:07:37 PM  
Why don't they photograph her hairy ass.
2003-05-28 05:08:43 PM  
Amazing...when Westerners travel to Saudi Arabia, they have to abide by all the stupid customs, including covering the women, no booze, etc. No one raises a stink about that.

But when one of their religious fanatics comes over here and refuses to abide by our rules, all hell is raised.

What the fark is the point of a picture on a license if you can't see the person's face?
2003-05-28 05:08:53 PM  
"Isn't letting a woman drive a car against Islam, too?" - and other posts to that effect:

No it is not, what on earth gave you that stupid idea? It just makes you all sound utterly, UTTERLY ignorant.
2003-05-28 05:09:20 PM  
does the ninja hood come off for showers?
2003-05-28 05:09:33 PM  
Her previous names was Sandra Kellar before she converted to Islam...Hmmm...

She needs to drop the veil or take the bus....Oh I am so sorry that it is 92 degrees and 100% humidity in Orlando right now.

It is bad enough that the state's lawyers have provided references in the Koran which would allow her to drop the veil, but she has refused to recognized these interpretations.

I whole heartedly agree with those who stated religious freedom only goes so far....if she can't hack it then she needs to move to Saudi Arabia with the other BMO's (Black Moving Objects) where they will not let her drive, cane her if she doesn't wear her veil, and then possibly stone her if she is accused of infidelity...

This might be the land of the free and home of the brave, but that does not mean you can place a useless picture on the primary source of ID for the average citizen....what is next a stick figure for a passport picture?
2003-05-28 05:09:41 PM  
shut up biatch.
orthodox jews have the same problem, they can't have their photos taken or something, you don't see them complaining do ya? but hey, blame it on religious persecution.

some people annoy me.
2003-05-28 05:10:16 PM  
Yeah, and they let the American Indians continue to use peyote and keep their Commercial Licenses - NOT!!!

Religious reasons or not, dem's da' rules.
2003-05-28 05:10:24 PM  
This is more serious than it seems on the surface.

According to the article, this religious wacko is going to bring in a bunch of jihadist scholars in islamic "law" to testify in an American court.

Here's where we need to be careful. If on the odd chance that this substitute for camel ass wins her case, it will set a legal precedent that could open the door to these desert-spawned jihaddist monsters ramming their perverse religious law down our Yankee infidel throats.

Say goodbye to booze, boobies, and freedom of speech, and hello to public execution by stoning, mass killings of unbelievers, and the yoke of Allah's boot!

Over my dead body, muthafarkas!
2003-05-28 05:10:52 PM  
I love to hear all of this hate for towelhead sand nubians, we are on our way my brothers to the promised time when we will be a pure, all-White country, with no religion save the true Religion of Jesus to cloud our minds with ideas like the prohibiton of slavery, the equality of women, separation of Church and state and equal rights for White Men and all others. Way to go I_Can't_Believe_It's_Not_Smegma, ClayParrot, Sharkroy, and Dev2r. You are truly great White heroes. Spread the Word of Jesus! White Power!
2003-05-28 05:11:25 PM  
This needs an "asinine" tag. She isn't even a 'real' Muslim but some American convert. She has the right (which, BTW, she wouldn't have in most farking Muslim countries, but don't get me started) to wear whatever ridiculous costume her pathetic little heart desires. She has the right to paint herself green w/purple stripes or enrobe herself entirely in tinfoil. But driving is a privilege; for reasons of public safety, one must obey certain rules & one of them, logically enough, is providing an identifiable license photo. She better lose this case; it's one of those that gives the ACLU a bad name.
2003-05-28 05:11:58 PM  
Uhm... you know to most muslims the Bible is seen as a valid holy text. Their only point of contention is the Christians who claim it proves that Christ was the son of God... the Muslims argue that he was just another prophet with good PR.
2003-05-28 05:12:25 PM  
Bah, whatever. She has the right.

And don't you not have to swear on the Bible anymore? It's not PC. :(

It's on Court TV right now.
2003-05-28 05:12:52 PM  
Assistant Attorney General Jason Vail argued that having an easily identifiable photo on a driver's license is a matter of public safety.

Ha! His name is, um, relevant to the story, sort of. And where's the [image from too old to be available] tag?
2003-05-28 05:13:07 PM  
Sweet Allah, am I the only one who can spell "privilege"?
2003-05-28 05:13:17 PM  
I find it funny that this women is complaining. She converted to Islam. So what is so different between now and before besides what it says on her religion membership card? If a cop pulls her over they are just going to make her take off the head covering to make sure she is who she says she is. Why should she get special treatment beyond what everyone else gets?
2003-05-28 05:13:46 PM  
Interesting name: Sultanna Freeman; Islamic firstname, Jewish lastname

The kicker here is SHE CHOSE TO WEAR that get up.

Freeman, a convert to Islam previously known as Sandra Kellar, wore her veil for the photo on the Florida driver's license she obtained after moving to the state in 2001.
2003-05-28 05:13:57 PM  
She didn't have on her veil when they took her booking photo after she was convicted of child abuse.

Keep looking... you'll find it.
2003-05-28 05:14:02 PM  
the A.C.L.U is involved? who would of thunk it. Also i would like to see someone get arrested for smoking weed and claim to the judge he can because he is Rastafarion.
2003-05-28 05:14:38 PM  

In Saudi Arabia it is illegal for a female to drive a vehicle. Obviously, this is not the case for other primary Islamic far as I know or the ones I have visited in my military career.

This is why American servicewomen must cover-up or be canned and must travel with two males when off post.

Thank goodness we are leaving that country for the more tolerant Qatar....
2003-05-28 05:14:39 PM  
Ben Laden: fark dat! I'm an atheist.
2003-05-28 05:15:26 PM  
What is poliically correct, anyway? I mean, what's the definition for the term? It seems like it should be something along the lines of "opinions which are in line with the current prevailing poliical opinion" or something like that. If so, does that mean being PC is burning Dixie Chicks CDs and crap?

I dunno, I don't think this definition will fly for a variety of reasons, primarily becaue it's fair. :)
2003-05-28 05:15:35 PM  
Tough shiat biatch...

The veil isn't in the quran. It's tradition.. NOT mandated by your religeon.
2003-05-28 05:15:42 PM  
This has only been on Court TV for the past 3 days...
2003-05-28 05:16:00 PM  
Racists who don't like other people for their religious beliefs are scum. And we have a lot of scum posting comments right now. In a lot of states they allow a photo exempt Drives's License for religious reasons. Let her do that and be done. Just because someone is Muslim does not mean they're Terrorist, or that they like Osama bin Fukhead. You people need to buy a clue.
2003-05-28 05:16:02 PM  
Speaking of spelling, does anyone have a good grasp of this woman's name??

I've got Sultanna from the Fark link.
I've got Sultaana from
I've got Sultana from a Google search correction and there are a lot of articles with this spelling.

Allah only knows what other aliases she's using out there.

You know, maybe she should have a non-photo driver's permit. The real problem for her would be that it would not serve to identify her where she's going to need identification such as the bank, getting a library card, uh.... getting Fl discounts at Disney and Universal, uh.... where else do I need identification anyway? Oh yeah, to get liquor!
2003-05-28 05:16:03 PM  
She should just move to NJ. Until the end of June you can still get a license without a photo on it.

Problem solved.
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