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(Boston Globe)   One-third of the teachers in one Massachusetts town can't speak English. Other two-thirds have unintelligible Boston accent   ( divider line
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2003-05-28 10:53:30 AM  
That's a wicked pissah.

2003-05-28 12:34:58 PM  
Welcome to Worcester! That'll be a dollah twenty-five.

2003-05-28 12:35:04 PM  

Are they TEACHING english? If not, then what's the problem?
2003-05-28 12:36:34 PM  
Being from an accent neutral place like Colorado, I really can't understand a word Bostonians are saying sometimes, especially over the phone. They sometimes get pissed when I say "excuse me?". Oh well.
2003-05-28 12:36:34 PM  
CanuckGuy I could be wrong, but I think that most Bilingual programs try to integrate English skills into every subject.
2003-05-28 12:36:37 PM  
Stupid foreign teachers... NEVER major in Engineering!
2003-05-28 12:37:46 PM  
"Bilingual programs" are ***NOT*** bi-lingual. They are monolingual. They teach only Spanish, and students graduate from high school with next to zero English ability.
2003-05-28 12:37:59 PM  
BILERISE or Computer Science.

Bile Rise?
2003-05-28 12:38:21 PM  
could be fired if they fail an oral exam scheduled for Tuesday and Wednesday

Did anyone else hear porno-funk intheir head after reading that line? Bow-chicka-bow-BOW

/blames the internet
2003-05-28 12:38:28 PM  
In Lawrence, for example, 31 of 93 teachers evaluated did not pass English proficiency standards...

Lawrence - now there's a shocker.
Lawrence, MA is about 6 sq. miles that was originally subdivided from Methuen, North Andover, and Andover. The biggest industry is the welfare office. A few years ago, Lawrence explored the option of re-merging with their original towns. No-go; seems that no one wanted them back.
2003-05-28 12:38:37 PM  
Cunning Linguists have more fun!
2003-05-28 12:39:07 PM  

" In Lawrence, for example, 31 of 93 teachers evaluated did not pass English proficiency standards..."

Lawrence is that town, which if you think about it is no big deal. By then, most kids in Lawrence aren't trying to understand what the teacher is saying; they're trying to understand what their parole officer is saying.

Looking at some of the Fark posts, I know some of those teachers post on here. What's your incoherent opinions, teachers ?

2003-05-28 12:39:31 PM  
Bilingual Bisexuals are frequently tongue tied.
2003-05-28 12:39:48 PM  

ESPECIALLY Comp Sci... thats what I was in before I switched majors.
2003-05-28 12:42:54 PM  
Can I Ax all my queshions in Ebonics? Well, Shizzle my dizzle.
2003-05-28 12:43:22 PM  
Damn Mongorians.
2003-05-28 12:43:30 PM  
Why isn't English the national language of this country? I say this not to suggest people stop speaking their native tongues, which I would never go for, but simply to give every man, woman and child better than even odds at communicating.

And yes, I'm bilingual.
2003-05-28 12:44:40 PM  
'One-third of the teachers in one Massachusetts town can't speak English'

and the rest still can't spell 'Massachusetts'
2003-05-28 12:44:57 PM  
lexi luthor -

Lawtons? ( spelling )
2003-05-28 12:45:12 PM  
Damn hwot dwags.
2003-05-28 12:46:06 PM  
I belive the Boston accent is referred to as "The Kings English" up here.
2003-05-28 12:46:34 PM  
A little off the beaten path here, but could you think of a better city for someone named Nomar Garciapara to play baseball in?

2003-05-28 12:47:04 PM  
I think massachusetts wrote off lawrence a while ago. We just give them welfare checks.

I can't think of a redeeming quality for that entire city.
2003-05-28 12:47:19 PM  
Spasiba, Danke Shen, Gracias, Merce, Thank You very farking much.
2003-05-28 12:47:25 PM  
no-mah gah-see-ah-pah-rah

Nope, can't think of one, Twisster76. :-)
2003-05-28 12:48:09 PM  
It's about farking time. It's a shame they had to make a law telling people to SPEAK ENGLIshia
this is america. English is the language of America. Learn it or leave it!
(and don't flame me, I recognize that we are a melting pot of cultures. But a requisite is that you speak our farking language.)
If I ever move to a different country, you can bet Selma Hyaks(sp?) sweet sweet rear end that I won't be expecting people to speak english there just on my account.
2003-05-28 12:48:10 PM  
Fox 25 local news reported this story last night--they had a graphic up reading something like "31 teachers in Lawrence speak to little English."

Uh, when your story is about people not speaking English correctly, you probably wanna make sure that you understand the difference between the words "too" and "to." Grrrr.
2003-05-28 12:49:13 PM  
Well, As a person who works in the East Chicago, Indiana public schools, I can tell you that here, there are Bilingual programs in the schools because of the large Hispanic population. For the most part, this is to give them instruction in Spanish as well as English. The kids who are Extremely Spanish Dominant and those who don't speak English at all have what's called TESOL,Teaching English to Students of Other Languages. They go to TESOL every day, and get intensive training in English. Most of the kids speak English, there's only about 5% who don't. They tend to get acclimated to the language pretty well.

The thing about having translators and Spanish only classes is that the only way you're going to learn a new language is by using it, so If you're doing Spanish only at school and at home, you can't learn English.......Bilingual programs are good, but you have to stress the English.
2003-05-28 12:49:19 PM  
Oh, so that's ENGLISH they're babbling at me when I go through Logan? Being the ignorant, slow-talking Southerner that I am, they may as well be yammering at me in Laotian.

I have to admit, however, that Legal Sea Foods does seem to know a thing or two about serving up fish. I make it a point to go there every time I pass through. Thank God for picture menus, otherwise I would starve to death trying to order my food.
2003-05-28 12:49:59 PM  
Yo! wha da ya mean a philly accent makes ya sound ignorint. Yous guys from up der are da ones whit de accent! biggie...fer git abot it..kay!

-off to sit on my stoop-
2003-05-28 12:50:00 PM  

2003-05-28 12:52:06 PM  
05-28-03 12:47:19 PM Tadpole

ummm, spasibo, Danke Shoen, Merci and Gracias.

/has dabbled in foreign languages for awhile.
2003-05-28 12:52:06 PM  

Pahk the cah in Hahvahd Yahd !

Hey don't knock the 'Bahsten' accent. In coolege there were many out of state freshmen women who liked my accent. Best icebreaker back then was to say anything. If only it were so easy now...

2003-05-28 12:52:24 PM  
" I, err, ahh, did naht come he-ah with any pants, and i am , err, ahh, noht leaving with any!"

~ Ted kennedy
2003-05-28 12:52:32 PM  
ElVee if you ever make it outside Logan, you should try a real restaurant with seafood on the menu. I don't dislike Legal, but there are certainly better choices.
2003-05-28 12:53:19 PM  
I can't think of a redeeming quality for that entire city [of Lawrence].

It has the only nearby major hospital if you live in the Reading/Andover/Methuen area, and its emergency room will generally be less crowded than MGH's.

Other than that, you're right. Lawrence is even home to one of Massachusetts' Ghost Malls.
2003-05-28 12:53:59 PM  
More than a quatah of the teachers in Mass. can't speak english.
2003-05-28 12:54:24 PM  
Flamewar on Lawrence:

1) if you commit a crime, hide in Lawrence - the courts/police are so incompetent that you'll never be extradited.

2) Lawrence decided to save money by scrapping its firefighter force - hoped that surrounding towns would respond to fires. Andover said, 'yeah, sure...'

3) Always a good place to go for race riots.

4) Royal Jewelers, one of Lawrences (formerly) most successfull jewelry/fur/electronic stores moved to Andover 'cuz their customers kept having their cars broken into or stolen.

5) ...but, a friend always drove his Jaguar into Lawrence because, as bad as the cops were, there just 'ain't no way that they'd let an Hispanic get two blocks in a (stolen) Jaguar.

6) Lawrence prostitutes occasionally get busted on the Andover/Lawrence line - because (a) there's no prostitutes in Andover and (b) seems that Andover residents actually have money.

(...and there's sooo much more)
2003-05-28 12:54:40 PM  
we need to just open up the border with Mexico and get it over with. Im already taking Spanish classes. Get used to it. Its gonna happen
2003-05-28 12:54:45 PM  
You think it would have been Marblehead....
2003-05-28 12:55:11 PM  
Lexi -

Only damn reason to visit the city. Just remember to duck and roll, get in get out!
2003-05-28 12:55:27 PM  
As a Bostonian, I believe that pronouncing the letter "R" in any given word is ovuhrated. It obviously belongs at the end of any word ending in "A."
2003-05-28 12:55:35 PM  

That would mean renting a car and driving in Boston. I'm ignorant, not suicidal. If you want to kill a bunch of Southerners, put in a roundabout down here where I live. I'm not going to even go into that "driving in the emergency lanes" thing.
2003-05-28 12:55:37 PM  
"Dat ax-hent makes you sound re-tah-ted!"

/Stupid SNL skit
2003-05-28 12:56:24 PM  
and people wonder why in the last election the state voted by a majority of nearly 2 to 1 to eliminate the current bilingual education system -- maybe because it wasn't doing what it was supposed to be doing?

/ speculates
2003-05-28 12:57:35 PM  
2003-05-28 12:58:56 PM  

2003-05-28 01:00:12 PM  
"It has the only nearby major hospital if you live in the Reading/Andover/Methuen area, and its emergency room will generally be less crowded than MGH's."

I'm a doctor at MGH -- you should see some of the crap that gets sent to us from Lawrence General. I don't care if I was having a heart attack, I'd rather walk all the way into Boston than be seen right away in Lawrence.
2003-05-28 01:01:17 PM  
The only thing worse than having a Boston accent, is listening to people biatch about them.
2003-05-28 01:01:33 PM  
El, actually it wouldn't. Take the T. I'm from Georgia, it took me a while to get used to Boston driving, but now I prefer it. People in GA drive too slow. And the breakdown lane is only for a few miles during rush hours to help alleviate traffic congestion around the 95/128 corridoor.
2003-05-28 01:03:01 PM  
Thick Boston accents just make the people using them sound ignorant. I'll watch the local television news but change the channel when the inevitable "Live For No Apparent Reason!" report comes on at the scene of something that happened 12 hours ago featuring an interview with Joe Six-Pack from Revere.

Assuming, of course, that he can stop calling Sports Radio long enough to talk to the reporter...
2003-05-28 01:03:02 PM  
LexiLuther Just kidding with you. I live in Philly burbs now but grew up in an area where the accent drops your perceived intelligence by 75 points...the Lehigh Walley! (Atown)
2003-05-28 01:03:54 PM  
boston "accent" aka speech impedement. what a disgusting language.
2003-05-28 01:03:59 PM  
I used to be a big "lets-all-get-along-melting-pot-beautiful-mosaic-of-cultures" type of guy, and was opposed to making English the official language. Now I am all for it. When I lived in Taiwan I not only learned Chinese but Taiwanese as well, and I wasn't even planning on immigrating there; someone planning to live in the US should be required to know or learn English.
2003-05-28 01:05:37 PM  
I actually work in the same building as DSS in Lawrence, and I can tell you that Lawrence is the anus of the world, and I have the pleasure of seeing some of the most disgusting people in creation everyday.

Before I even read the article I knew it would mention Lawrence.
2003-05-28 01:06:48 PM  
Shouldn't they have been tested in the
proficiency of English prior to being hired???

The first intelligible word in Massachusetts...
is ASS. Its some kind of a cover-up.
2003-05-28 01:07:28 PM  
Actually, the first intelligent word in Massachusetts is "Mass". As in the thing some people do at church. Look it up.
2003-05-28 01:07:43 PM  
Even people in Lowell mock out Lawrence

/former Lowell resident.
2003-05-28 01:07:52 PM  
I have made a conscious effort not to adopt a Philly accent ever since I moved here 12 years ago. It is especially challenging, though, considering my entire family is originally from here (okay, Main Line area, but a lot of peeps here still drink "wooder"), and I now live in the 'Yunk, which isn't helping....

/PhiladelphiaChicagoAtlantaConnecticutian :-)
2003-05-28 01:08:01 PM  
Luke: funny how if you emigrate to another culture, you're expected to learn its customs and adapt to it, and yet when immigrants come to your home, they are under no obligation whatsoever to even attempt to learn anything about your culture, and even teaching your kids lingua franca of the culture is regarded as racist. Funny how that works.
2003-05-28 01:08:07 PM  

I agree. I voted for the elimination, which really wasn't the elimination at all. The program was actually ended sometime before under either swift or ARGEO. hehe. ARGEO paul celluci. The referendum on the september ballot was somewhat complicated, but served primarily to either solidify or speed up the earlier changes -- I'm not entirely sure. Either way, though, the system as it was was failing miserably, and it just needed a complete overhaul. It sure wont be EASIER now for spanish speaking people, but at least they might actually LEARN something, you know, that being what public school is supposed to do for people.
2003-05-28 01:10:06 PM  
Message to immigrants: This is America. We've been an English speaking ever since our government was founded. Half of Europe speaks English. English is the second or third most spoken language in the world, and that's only because India and China account for over two Billion people, if you count out the countries of origin, English is the number one language. English is widely regarded as the language of commerce. Now, tell me again why you want to come to my country and not speak our language? It's like going to a Chinese restaurant and demanding that they serve a full menu of American food (whatever that is to you). America is not here to serve immigrants. It's fine if you want to come here to work, build a life, and be an American. If you want to come here and complain because we want you to learn our language and contribute to the economy and not live off our wellfare like a parasite, then do us all a favor and stay home. I have enough work to do without having to pay for and deal with lazy immigrants. It was hard-working and dilligent immigrants who built this country, not people who just came to sit around and collect free wellfare and healthcare.
2003-05-28 01:10:10 PM  

Oh, yeah. I forget that mass transportation actually works in cities other than Atlanta. I'm too used to ignoring MARTA.

We drive too slow? *boggle* Wow, I'm impressed. I drove back from lunch south of the city on I-85 and the Atlanta Autobahn (I-285). My tires are still steaming.
2003-05-28 01:11:12 PM  
Alright, this is veering into jingoism folks...
2003-05-28 01:11:19 PM  
The teachers who can't speak English can always teach math. It will give their students a valuable preview of college.
2003-05-28 01:12:25 PM  
Well, 85 is ok, but as I was home this weekend people were pushing it at 75 in the passing lane on 316. And the brakes, god they brake at anything!
2003-05-28 01:13:55 PM  
If only the bathroom at work was equipped with a time machine, then I could go back to the beginning of this thread and be the first to say "Clam Chow-dah."
2003-05-28 01:14:09 PM  
Wow... they managed to find 60 people in Lawrence that spoke english? That is surprising.

But Lawrence is, indeed, an outhouse. Their main industry is the export of crime to Lowell. The jobless rate is the highest in the state, and I would bet that over half of the city's residents can't speak a word of english. I think something like 2/3 of the residents are foriegn born and most are on the ol' public till.

I've seen bumper stickers that say "Work hard and pay your taxes, someone in Lawrence depends on you."

I've always said that the state should build a giant wall around the city and pretend it never existed.
2003-05-28 01:14:36 PM  
Let me enlighten you non-Massholes about Lawrence. NO ONE in Lawrence speaks English!!!!!!

It is a complete hell-hole, 3rd world town near Lowell, full of immigrants that refuse to assimilate. This should have an obvious tag, if you knew the town.
2003-05-28 01:14:46 PM  
i took some college courses and the required english class absolutely sucked because they were teaching english as a second lanuage during it. the teacher spent so much time working on that, i learned nothing new and was kind of pissed that they forced me to take that class and pay for it. and now teachers are teaching without being able to speak english. *shakes heads*
2003-05-28 01:15:05 PM  

That would mean renting a car and driving in Boston. I'm ignorant, not suicidal. If you want to kill a bunch of Southerners, put in a roundabout down here where I live. I'm not going to even go into that "driving in the emergency lanes" thing.

You mean a rotary, right?

/just got from the spa
2003-05-28 01:16:23 PM  
In New England we make up for the 'R''s dropped off from words ending in 'er' and add them to some words ending with an 'ah' sound.

Now that theyah is a pissah idear

Side note - regional accents are beginning to disolve in a sea of cable and satellite TV. Kinda sad.
2003-05-28 01:16:25 PM  
LexiLuthor: You and I are reverse nomads: Philly to Bostn v. Boston to Philly (although now I live in New Hampshire)

To the tune of Margaritaville:

Wastin' my life again here in Haverhill
Waiting on my trial date for Assault....
2003-05-28 01:16:36 PM  
took some college courses and the required english class absolutely sucked because they were teaching english as a second lanuage during it. the teacher spent so much time working on that, i learned nothing new

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2003-05-28 01:17:13 PM  

Yeah, those round spots in the road where everybody goes 93 MPH in a tight circle and tries to occupy space already physically occupied by another car.
2003-05-28 01:18:28 PM  
Speaking of America being a melting pot, it's just a matter of time before we melt ourselves right out of existence. I mean things are decided by popular vote. If enough people from one area end up here with the same beliefs and culture, it can become the norm. 10 years ago how many parts of the country had spanish everywhere like we do now? I'm not opposed to people coming to the US, I just think the PC crap is gonna open us up to a world of change. Sacred cows roaming free on the streets? Cheap dentists on every block? English as the second official language? It can happen.

/Dodges flame
2003-05-28 01:18:38 PM  

SphtKr is a troll, and is definitely NOT in college.
Unless, of course, he attends "Johnny Brownstone Community Home Schooling College and Vocational Center."

Here's your cookie, troll. Now move along.
2003-05-28 01:21:19 PM  
Wanna know the rub?

A couple of years ago I decided to bail from the private sector and take up I studied on my own, took the Mass Teachers Exam (1 part English/ 1 part History); received scores of 100 and 96, respectively; AND still no one would hire me

In retrospect, I'm glad I stayed out of schoolin' business and opened my own studio

/sour-grpaes rant

PS. I lost my accent after I moved to Philly and it has never returned, so I guess it's kind of like the chicken pox
2003-05-28 01:22:39 PM  
I think the Philly/Eastern PA accent is pretty neutral, excluding dutchified accents that occasionally pop up. Hell, I'm stuck in between you Northern Boston types and the Southern accents, and I get crap from both sides.

At least I can make fun of Jersey.
2003-05-28 01:24:05 PM  
It's this kind of thing that fuels the trend toward greater teacher accountability. For years we've had to put up with the NEA and teacher's unions telling us that things are fine and dandy with the hard working teachers, it's always the students/parents/taxpayers who are to blame.
2003-05-28 01:24:19 PM  
I'm yet another immigrant from Philly to Boston, though I live(d) in an accent neutral area just outside of Philly (amazing how incredibly dull Bucks County can truly be), and now live right on the river as a Sophomore at BU. My parents are so happy that I don't really live in the city, because I think they would be far too scared to drive there. My mom refuses to leave Cambridge whenever she's in the area. Just drives to a T Stop and goes from there. It's quite sad, really.

and State_College_Arsonist, anyone can make fun of Jersey.
2003-05-28 01:24:50 PM  
What are they complaining about - I'll bet half the teachers in the REGULAR (non-bilingual) program in lovely Houston Independent School District couldn't pass an English exam.

They gave the 10th grade (TAAS) test to the HISD teachers one year and a goodly portion of them could not pass it.

2003-05-28 01:25:20 PM  
I gotta love Fark. Where else can you post an honest appraisal of the situation at hand and be called a troll for it? Oh wait, that would be most of the internet, never mind...
2003-05-28 01:29:14 PM  
Quoting Pulp Fiction, "ENGLISH MOTHER farkER, DO YOU SPEAK IT?"

Biligual ed is a crutch. We need to help them assimilate in society, get decent jobs, buy homes and pay taxes.
2003-05-28 01:29:20 PM  
Actually, Lawrence, Methuen, And Haverhill collectively make up what as known as the "Minga" (sp?) Valley....
2003-05-28 01:30:02 PM  
From having a parent as a teacher, I can tell you that parents definitely factor into the equation. I can't count the number I times I hear parents yelling at my mom for giving deservedly bad grades to her students. No, it's never Junior's fault he screwed up, it must be that the teacher is out to get him. Nevermind that Junior can't find a subject and a verb in a sentence, that F could hurt his chances for getting on the football team, and the teacher must be a heartless biatch for not taking that into account. Seriously, if more parents actually took the teacher's advice on how to help their children improve, rather than argue over why they think Johnny deserves an A, the education situation would improve.

I do agree with you, however, that there are teachers out there who can't teach worth a damn, and that the NEA is glossing over that fact.
2003-05-28 01:30:09 PM  

Come for the job
Stay for the service...
2003-05-28 01:32:16 PM  
Oh, and Crazyeddie, I am in college. Montana State University - Billings. You can go to college and avoid becoming endoctrinated with mindless socialist garbage, believe it or not; I think they call it independant thinking.
Now I'm feeding the troll, bad S'pht, bad!
2003-05-28 01:36:42 PM  
worcester represent!
2003-05-28 01:39:27 PM  
Lexi: I live in the Common Ground House on Bay State. It's not great, but it's not terrible. I'll probably try to move off campus around Junior year if I don't get into the Philosophy House in South.

And I don't necessarily make fun of SMG; I just pity them. So many of my SMG friends are depressed and stressed out people. It's a shame, really.
2003-05-28 01:39:33 PM  
It would be interesting to see how many of those "31 of 93 teachers" are native-English speakers. They made no mention of the ethnicity of the teachers that failed the exam.

That being said, Lawrence is a dump. A friend of mine worked at the courthouse, where a car was stolen from the courthouse parking lot. Twice within a week.

And you can't blame the Hispanics or Asians alone: In Lawrence, crime is an equal opportunity profession.

/grew up in Lowell.
2003-05-28 01:46:57 PM  
"Side note - regional accents are beginning to disolve in a sea of cable and satellite TV. Kinda sad.

You can have my accent when you rip it from my cold lifeless vocal chohds, guy. : )

I love having a strong regional accent. Beats the non-accent of the middle states anyday. And I don't have a Boston accent. I like to describe it as the " South of Boston, north of New york" accent. Not as nasally as boston, and not as gutteral as new york, but with all the fun of dropping your R's.
2003-05-28 01:47:42 PM  
I lived in Boston once (early 90s) and I had to leave before I shot someone. Not only does that accent make it possible to bend steel between my *sscheeks, I became VERY tired of being treated as a stupid ignoramus because of my Southern drawl. Everybody did it; blatently. My tacit response became, "oh yeah? I'm eruditer than you are."
2003-05-28 01:48:25 PM  
Even people in Lowell mock out Lawrence

/former Lowell resident.

2003-05-28 01:52:22 PM  
Well, Lawrence isn't Central Falls, at least.

/lives far enough south in MA not to have to worry about Lawrence, but within 20 minutes of CF.*

*relatively obscure local humor. In a nutshell: CF = one square mile of the most drug-infested, steal-your-car-in-broad-daylight city ever. It's literally one square mile. Neither Attleboro (crap MA city) nor Pawtucket (crap RI city) wanted it, so it gets to hang in limbo just beneath Massachusetts, giving us housekeepers and heroin.

To add something productive to this whole thing, the Boston accent seems to be entirely random outside of the city. I'm roughly 40 minutes outside, and I feel that my accent is neutral. Then again, my girlfriend's from Fall River (further south and to the east), and she has the scary "Faww Riva" accent. The accent seems to just skip over spots, methinks.

/not so cunning-linguist, but that's ok; I haven't brushed my teeth in a few hours.
2003-05-28 01:54:18 PM  
i'm in methuen now ... on the lawrence border. thank god for sexually transmitted diseases. lawrence is breaking all sorts of records in that field... keeping them from propogating outside the town lines. that, and their broken-down honda's with bad tint and coffee-can mufflers are always getting pulled over when going into other towns ... always a drug bust. check out 28 nort on the NH border. always a bust. always hispanic. always darwin.
i'm moving back down into boston in like 2 weeks. to ...
medford!!! (pronounced mefid) i'm so farkin' done with non-english speaking grocery stores and everyone looking you over when you pass the factory into the crap part of town down 28.
2003-05-28 01:54:33 PM  
LexiLuthor, i'm surprised you held on to your accent as long as you did. my brother moved from here in CT to north carolina about 4 years ago. the last time i talked to him, he had the southern accent.
2003-05-28 01:57:28 PM  
Sorry, Sphtker, I still don't believe you. There is no way that a college or university in this country would accept into their ranks a person with such a caustic inability to string thoughts together.

Your post is more poorly constructed and punctuated than the ramblings of a ritalin-crazed child. The logic behind it is paper thin. (By the way, do some 'college research:' the majority of persons on "long term [>6mos] welfare in this country are WHITE and live in the midwest and south.)

Do you fail to see the irony of the fact that you lack the ability to convey your blind ethnocentricity in any more conherent a manner than the people whom you are criticizing?

Enjoy your freshman year, "independent thinker."
2003-05-28 01:57:39 PM  
Actually, many of Lawrence's (and Methuen's) non-English speaking "citizens" (wink, wink) have began to move to Salem, NH (just north of the Loop)....

just like earlier in the 90's when the Asians scared the Hispanics out of Lowell...
2003-05-28 02:15:52 PM  

Colorado is not accent neutral. I have relatives in Broomfield, Boulder, and Denver that have lived in those respective places their entire lives. They definately have accents, along with everyone else in Colorado.
2003-05-28 02:18:48 PM  
"Then again, my girlfriend's from Fall River (further south and to the east), and she has the scary "Faww Riva" accent."

Being from Fall River, I find nothing scary about the accent. Now some of the folks that live here on the other hand........

Still love my accent, though. Four years in Dublin, and two years in Finland couldn't soften it. The fall river accent comes from good sturdy fishermen/mill worker stock, so it's hard to kill.
2003-05-28 02:24:15 PM  
All this Lawrence hatred and nobody mentions the place that could actually beat it out as the biggest shiathole in Mass? Brockton, people!

Eh fark it, I never leave the city limits anyway.
2003-05-28 02:29:15 PM  
First off, Lawrence is near Lowell, which is a hell-hole in of itself. Lawrence is worse than Lowell, which to anyone who has been to Lowell is hard to imagine. I agree with many people here who said that nobody in Lawrence speaks English. I'm all for this though. If a teacher can't speak English, they should not be teaching. For the most part, to succeed, you need to know English. If these kids continue to grow up with no English skills, they will continue to be in poverty and living off welfare. I worked at a grocery store near the south side of Framingham, which has a very large Brazilian community. A large number of them were living off food stamps and welfare checks, but never bothered to learn much English.

If I am not mistaken, wasn't it Lawrence that had the police so corrupt that the Staties had to come in and take over? I think it was.

On the accent part, not everyone here has an accent. If you grew up in Southie, you probably have a pretty thick one. However, I grew up in the suburbs, and I can easily pick up people talking with a Boston accent, and I don't think I have one myself. I don't add r's to words like "pizza", and I don't drop them from words like "car". It's not like people in other parts of the country don't have accents either. Try talking to someone from deep in the Bayeux of Louisianna. How about New Yorkers?
2003-05-28 02:30:37 PM  
When I was a peer mentor as an undergrad, the self-proclaimed "independant thinkers" were always the neocon kids with a BMW bought with daddy's money, biatching at me because I gave them a D for writing at a 7th grade level. And then I get called a socialist thought-quasher, whatever. These people swear the American college system is in a chokehold from the communist party or something.

The reason there are so many liberal professors in universities is because conservatives like making money.
2003-05-28 02:30:51 PM  
At least Brockton gave us Rocky
2003-05-28 02:33:53 PM  
Lowell gave us jack kerouac

Lawrence - ummmmmm a well trained SWAT team?

just kidding. sort of.
2003-05-28 02:36:03 PM  
i just want to point out that the statistic about 99% of the country speaking english is wrong...the statistic is 95% according to the most recent census

and also stop complaining about hispanic people and kids only knowing spanish without reading the article! if you actually read the article you would realize they were talking about laotian and cambodian immigrants

and bilingual education can work and is necessary in places that have a high immigrant population. unfortunately bilingual ed is just really screwed up and corrupt here in massachusetts. there needs to exist a focus on being able to learn in your native language until you are competent in english, so you don't miss important concepts that other english-speaking students your age have already mastered, but at the same time there needs to be a strong emphasis on learning to speak english fluently. in massachusetts the latter is lacking, and this resulted in a lot of kids graduating without being able to string 2 sentences together in english.
2003-05-28 02:37:58 PM  
TheCrawlingChaos Driving in Boston can be fun! You just need a large vehicle to intimidate others into letting you in front of them. You also need a don't-give-a-shiat attitude towards others, and a nice vocabulary and a middle finger for when some idiot gets in front of you in the Fast-Lane (EZ-Pass to non-Massholes) without a transponder, and stops dead.
2003-05-28 02:52:50 PM  
Lawrence is the blight upon the merrimack valley. All that's worth while is that town is that good hot dog stand, (Big & Beefy)? But you gotta look at it's school system, too. It had to be taken over by the state because it was so mismanaged for so many years. It's not a surprising development that the kids can't speak english. I know people that live on the Lawrence/N. Andover line that say they're from East Andover because they don't want to tell people that they live in that hellhole.
2003-05-28 02:57:01 PM  
I am at school in Lowell right now and a common quote in anyone's AIM profile is:

Low > Lower > Lowest > Lowell

I suppose we could even tack Lawrence right on the end of that.
2003-05-28 03:06:30 PM  
Lawrence is a tough place. They'll steal a Ford Festiva in that town.

I'll knew a cat that caught dealing steroids and guns there. I mean, you had to switch over to corner the 'roids market?
2003-05-28 03:18:42 PM  
funny how if you emigrate to another culture, you're expected to learn its customs and adapt to it

Exactly, so all you guy who've moved to Massachusetts better stop biatching about the Boston accents, correct your speech an' leahn tah speak propeh. What are you, retahded or something?
2003-05-28 03:19:55 PM  
How come nobody's commented on the page's title tag? "Quake Kills 100, Traps Students In Turkey." I think they might've used the wrong headline...
2003-05-28 03:31:39 PM  
Besides, I know of a better place to eat than Big & Beefy. It's called Skip's Snack Bar and it's in this little shiat of a town called Merrimac.. Damn good food there. The best fries around.

/munchin on some curly freedom fries.
2003-05-28 03:36:57 PM  
Is there any way we keep all the liberals in Massachusettes and then the rest of us will never have to be bothered with them ever again?
2003-05-28 03:48:31 PM  
05-28-03 03:36:57 PM The_cheerful_slut

Is there any way we keep all the liberals in Massachusettes and then the rest of us will never have to be bothered with them ever again?

Sure. as soon as they herd all the neocons down to Alabama or Florida, or some other godforsaken place, and keep them behind chicken wire or something.

Also, if you're going to slag a state, at least learn how to spell it's name. : )

2003-05-28 04:09:41 PM  
Lowell? Wasn't that CrackTown USA on HBO?
2003-05-28 04:17:07 PM  
Chrome_Horse: Yeah, the movie "High on Crack Street: Lost Lives in Lowell". Most of that was shot a neighborhood or two away from the dorms here and one of the guys who produced or directed it or something was my College Writing professor.
2003-05-28 04:20:05 PM  
Chrome_Horse - Yes, and I saw that after going to college in Lowell.

I was like "Hey, I know that guy! Hey, I used to walk by that house on the way to class! Isn't that the girl we used to see outside Wannalancit?"
2003-05-28 04:22:02 PM  

Do you really think people in Massachewsits are smart enough to notice the incorrect spelling?

They keep re-electing Kennedy and rooting for the Red Sox for God's sake.

By the way, what's a neocon?
2003-05-28 04:23:14 PM  
Anyone other than Crazyeddie may ignore this if desired.
Crazyeddie: I know you won't believe a word I say, but the following is true.
I just finished my third year in college after graduating high school a year early. I am a Math and IS major. I have been on the honor roll ever since my third semester. I TESTED OUT of college composition and received an A in research writing. I very much doubt that I would be able to accomplish this if I were indeed as weak in my writing skills as you suggest.
Given the nature of your attacks, I suspect that were I to use the best of my English - which I dont generally bother to do because few others do and it takes longer than its worth - you would probably complain that I was speaking down to you. I would also ask this: What, sir, is your education? What manner of high and lofty position do you hold that you believe enables you divine a persons education and level of intelligence from several lines of text on a message board? Do your truly enjoy being so completely wrong that you cannot refrain from making irrational assumptions about people of whom you know nothing? I would advise that resorting to such hasty conclusions regarding anyone is a mistake.
If you wish to debate an issue, then debate that issue. If I am really the dullard that you claim I am, then I should be easily shut down. If, however, you must continue posting your ranting and flaming regarding a claimed lack of writing skills on my part, then I will have no part.

/Oh the things you waste your time on when youre just killing time at work anyway.
2003-05-28 04:39:29 PM  
S'pht'Kr: How many times did you proof read that before posting it? ;-)
2003-05-28 04:48:55 PM  
The Cheerful Slut

Yes I do.

what have you got against Kennedy (aside from chapaquidick)?

people in cleveland still root for the Browns. what's your point?

Neo-Con = hard-core conservatives.
2003-05-28 05:23:30 PM  
FarkNBeans: A couple times, and no, it isn't perfect (I think I see a punctuation error or two, but don't try to tell me my grammer is out in left field). I typed it up in Word because I don't like trying to write anything with any length to in in a little message box. I do use grammer and spell check some, but the grammer check is almost worthless; the spell check is far more useful. A spell checker can practically teach you how to spell, and I'm willing to admit there are still a fair number of words that I run through it. You can spot the ones who just do whatever Word tells them to do.
2003-05-28 06:16:46 PM  

What do I have against Ted Kennedy besides Chappaquidick (a minor thing, after all, that water was almost six feet deep.)

Let's see...

He never met a tax increase he didn't like.

He never met a tax cut he didn't hate.

His apparent belief that deficits and debts are problems caused by taxpayers (not politicians) and must be fixed by taxpayers (not politicians). (Gee, Ted, ever think about avoiding debt by spending less?)

His attempts to protect Saddam Hussein, one of the planet's worst violators of human rights, from being deposed.

His unconditional support of affirmative action, quotas, race-norming and racial set-asides. (Seeing people as members of groups instead of as individuals is sickening in general, and when a member of the US Senate does it, it starts getting genuinely scary for the basic principles this country is supposed to be based upon.)

He's pro-abortion. (That means either he's too ignorant of basic biology to see that a fetus has a different genetic fingerprint from its mother and is therefore a separate individual, or he's too machiavellian to care. Neither trait is desirable in someone in a postion of power.)

His recent attempts to stop tax-cutters from quoting JFK's 1962 supply-side/tax-cutting speech. (You should read that speech, Keylock. It's very good.)

His staunch opposition to school choice which traps children in miserably failing schools thereby snuffing much of their undeveloped potential, and all the while he proclaims that our children are "our greatest natural resource."

His belief, in defiance of common sense, that strict gun control laws will be obeyed by criminals. (Keylock, you do know that the Founders' intent was that the Second Amendment would serve as the peoples' guarantee that our leaders would never become tyrants like King George, don't you?)

His support of hate-crime legislation. (At least he could call it by it's politically incorrect - and far more accurate - name: thought-crime legislation.)

His leading the filibuster against constructionist judges like Estrada. A senator who wants judges to ignore the Constitution is pretty scary stuff.

Almost 40 years of opposing the basic principles that made America the most successful country in the world: maximum invidual liberty, low taxes, free markets, self-reliance, and security through military strength, aggressive strategy and tactics.

All in all, he is a repulsive human being.

But that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

But I'm not.

As far as the Red Sox go, they're done for all time. The baseball gods will never forgive them. (Heh-heh, Mookie Wilson :D)

Are there specific differences between neo-cons and right-wing extremists?
2003-05-28 06:19:34 PM  
have you been to lawrence? it says 'city of immigrants' on all their street signs. i saw a bunch of hispanics unloading a rent-a-center truck at the end of their day. it was like a bizarro world.

Lynn is hurting and Worcester isnt much better.
2003-05-28 08:06:03 PM  
Boppsta Worcester isn't really that bad. I went to school there, and yes there are some bad sections (south end of Main St for one), but there are some very nice sections of Worcester too.
2003-05-28 08:32:02 PM  
Late and all, but... anyone up for a Boston Fark Party?

Cheerful Slut: maybe you should change your handle to Ignorant Slut.
2003-05-28 08:32:04 PM  
Ok, I'll try again.

The first word in Massachusetts is MASS.

The second word is ASS.

CHUSETTS is French for Butt Hole.

Is this state trying to tell us something??
2003-05-28 10:01:57 PM  
Lawrence is like the Latino mecca of Mass.
2003-05-28 10:11:26 PM  
Zulu_as_Kono Has there ever been a Boston Fark party? I might be up for one. There are plenty of Farkers in the area too... I'm just not willing to organize.
2003-05-28 11:04:07 PM  
uh last i checked teddy was pro-choice, not pro-abortion. i don't think anyone is pro-abortion...
2003-05-31 03:30:40 PM  
05-28-03 01:10:06 PM S'pht'Kr

Message to immigrants: This is America. We've been an English speaking ever since our government was founded.

Uhhhh. Wanna go down to the Bayou or up to northern Maine and tell the folks that?

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