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(WWL)   Email from BP engineer six days before disaster: "Deepwater Horizon a 'nightmare well"   (wwl.com) divider line 355
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2010-06-14 04:41:38 PM  
BP apparently rejected advice of a subcontractor, Halliburton Inc., in preparing for a cementing job to close up the well. BP rejected Halliburton's recommendation to use 21 "centralizers" to make sure the casing ran down the center of the well bore. Instead, BP used six centralizers.



wow. now that tells ya something right there.
 
2010-06-14 04:46:09 PM  
Just curious, how much do we know about the guy who wrote this email? If pretty much anything goes wrong at my company, you would find an equally gloomy email from me. Not because I was right, but because I complain about everything.
 
2010-06-14 04:48:23 PM  
Weaver95: BP apparently rejected advice of a subcontractor, Halliburton Inc., in preparing for a cementing job to close up the well. BP rejected Halliburton's recommendation to use 21 "centralizers" to make sure the casing ran down the center of the well bore. Instead, BP used six centralizers.



wow. now that tells ya something right there.


Yeah. Halliburton might not be the bad guy.
 
2010-06-14 04:49:26 PM  
Somebody should be up for manslaughter on this, at the very least.
 
2010-06-14 04:50:12 PM  
I_C_Weener:
Yeah. Halliburton might not be the bad guy.


i'm scared.
 
2010-06-14 04:55:25 PM  
he said it was a "nightmare well" as far as planning and execution, not that it would generate the environmental nightmare that it did.

some context FTFA

"We could be running it in 2-3 days, so need a relative quick response. Sorry for the late notice, this has been nightmare well which has everyone all over the place," Morel wrote.
 
2010-06-14 05:01:17 PM  
I_C_Weener: Halliburton might not be the bad guy.

How often are these words used in this order?
 
2010-06-14 05:02:06 PM  
dimoko: he said it was a "nightmare well" as far as planning and execution, not that it would generate the environmental nightmare that it did.

some context FTFA

"We could be running it in 2-3 days, so need a relative quick response. Sorry for the late notice, this has been nightmare well which has everyone all over the place," Morel wrote.


This concerns me more FTFA:

Later that day, another official recognized the risks of proceeding with insufficient centralizers but commented: "who cares, it's done, end of story, will probably be fine."
 
2010-06-14 05:06:12 PM  

That's an awesome movie tagline.

DEEPWATER HORIZON
THE NIGHTMARE WELL
 
2010-06-14 05:06:16 PM  
Lucky for BP that their liability is capped at $75 million or those punitive damages from the lawsuits to come would really suck. Hurray for corporations!
 
2010-06-14 05:06:47 PM  
Groupthink strikes again.
 
2010-06-14 05:06:49 PM  
Blues_X: I_C_Weener: Halliburton might not be the bad guy.

How often are these words used in this order?


Steve Buschemi: I've never seen it.

Bruce Willis: Well now you've seen it.
 
2010-06-14 05:08:55 PM  
patrick767: Lucky for BP that their liability is capped at $75 million or those punitive damages from the lawsuits to come would really suck. Hurray for corporations!

I strongly suspect that the court system will find that law to be fatally flawed and overturn it on appeal.
 
2010-06-14 05:09:15 PM  
patrick767: Lucky for BP that their liability is capped at $75 million or those punitive damages from the lawsuits to come would really suck. Hurray for corporations!

IIRC, if gross negligence, or even just regular negligence is shown, the cap is null and void. I've seen others post about it, but admittedly I have not looked into it myself.

Also I've seen mention of a per barrel punitive fee from one of the many environmental acts that would largely increase that number.
 
2010-06-14 05:15:02 PM  
Weaver95: patrick767: Lucky for BP that their liability is capped at $75 million or those punitive damages from the lawsuits to come would really suck. Hurray for corporations!

I strongly suspect that the court system will find that law to be fatally flawed and overturn it on appeal.


I'm not sure there will be a BP left to sue, or pay any punitives.

I was thinking, hey, I can buy some of their stock, it can't go any lower. I'll be rich. Now, I'm thinking I'll stay away from it.
 
2010-06-14 05:16:09 PM  
Weaver95: patrick767: Lucky for BP that their liability is capped at $75 million or those punitive damages from the lawsuits to come would really suck. Hurray for corporations!

I strongly suspect that the court system will find that law to be fatally flawed and overturn it on appeal.


correct me if i'm wrong but i had thought the cap would be waived if "willfull negligence" be proved. i think this would put a nail in that coffin.
 
2010-06-14 05:19:04 PM  
I_C_Weener: Weaver95: patrick767: Lucky for BP that their liability is capped at $75 million or those punitive damages from the lawsuits to come would really suck. Hurray for corporations!

I strongly suspect that the court system will find that law to be fatally flawed and overturn it on appeal.

I'm not sure there will be a BP left to sue, or pay any punitives.

I was thinking, hey, I can buy some of their stock, it can't go any lower. I'll be rich. Now, I'm thinking I'll stay away from it.


You can always straddle it with long term options. If it survives, your calls are worth a fortune. If it fails, your puts are worth a fortune.

Either way, you make money off a piece of shiat company with no morals or ethics, and you can do some good with it.
 
2010-06-14 05:20:52 PM  
People still care about this?
 
2010-06-14 05:22:08 PM  
If we're going to have 4 or 5 BP threads per day, we should start a Wall-Of-Text going, like we had last year during the Iranian election protests.
 
2010-06-14 05:22:33 PM  
bob_ross: People still care about this?

9/10
 
2010-06-14 05:25:15 PM  
Talon
IIRC, if gross negligence, or even just regular negligence is shown, the cap is null and void. I've seen others post about it, but admittedly I have not looked into it myself.

Also I've seen mention of a per barrel punitive fee from one of the many environmental acts that would largely increase that number.


That would be nice. The law that includes the "$75 million" text indicates that the corporation is responsible for all costs of cleanup plus the $75 mil in additional liability. So it can go way over 75 mil even there, but only for what people can prove are cleanup costs.

Hopefully the many lawsuits that will no doubt start flying against BP over this disaster can prove willful negligence on BP's part. One, I don't believe for a second that what's identified as "cleanup costs" will pay for the full costs of this disaster. Two, BP deserves to pay some big time punitive damages.

I don't know what the courts would decide between the "$75 million" law and the per barrel punitive fee law. They sound contradictory. How many barrels are there anyway? The estimates vary by factors of 5 to 10 times in some cases.
 
2010-06-14 05:25:24 PM  
dimoko: he said it was a "nightmare well" as far as planning and execution, not that it would generate the environmental nightmare that it did.

I would hazard a guess that one has to do with the other.

It's certainly not an irrelevant email.
 
2010-06-14 05:39:33 PM  
Kitwilly: That's an awesome movie tagline.

DEEPWATER HORIZON
THE NIGHTMARE WELL


With aliens that look like manbearsquids. And it would have to be on SyFy. Starring some complete unknown, a bimbo whose best acting was in Girls Gone Wild, and Lorenzo Lamas, Marina Sirtis or other marginally established actor to give the project some street cred.
 
2010-06-14 05:44:41 PM  
is there any precedent in US law with these circumstances involved, or anything similar in terms of knowledge beforehand?

/ignorant canadian
 
2010-06-14 05:57:18 PM  
Glad they decided to cut costs initially. It sure saved the company a ton of money and hassle. Could you imagine if they had to shell out the extra money needed to make it safe in the first place?! OMG! The horror!
 
2010-06-14 06:04:12 PM  
"who cares, it's done, end of story, will probably be fine."


That's an awesome resignation email! Good job, BP Dude!
 
2010-06-14 06:14:06 PM  
Kitwilly: That's an awesome movie tagline.


DEEPWATER HORIZON
THE NIGHTMARE WELL


Actually, I'd reverse it:

NIGHTMARE WELL: Deepwater Horizon

I think it "pops" better.
 
2010-06-14 06:23:43 PM  
"who cares, it's done, end of story, will probably be fine."

I wish I could get a reaction video of this guy's face over the course of this event. I think it would be > any such thing involving girls and cups.
 
2010-06-14 06:26:38 PM  
Gee, too bad they put out the fire, isn't it?
 
2010-06-14 06:30:10 PM  
slepygryhnd: "who cares, it's done, end of story, will probably be fine."

Sounds like some low-hanging fruit that maximized profit ROI with win-win shareholder empowerment at the end of the day.
 
2010-06-14 06:30:48 PM  
Weaver95: BP apparently rejected advice of a subcontractor, Halliburton Inc., in preparing for a cementing job to close up the well. BP rejected Halliburton's recommendation to use 21 "centralizers" to make sure the casing ran down the center of the well bore. Instead, BP used six centralizers.

wow. now that tells ya something right there.


over in one, came in here to say the exact same thing
 
2010-06-14 06:32:56 PM  
bob_ross: People still care about this?

I don't. I've been burning happy trees all weekend just to add to the environmental damage.
 
2010-06-14 06:35:44 PM  
i49.tinypic.com
 
2010-06-14 06:36:43 PM  
I don't think we should fine BP at all.

I think they should be allowed to continue operating under government supervision, with all internal documents published as a matter of public record.

Then, we need to cap their total profits until the spill is cleaned up and everyone is compensated. Any profits made in excess of a million dollars is to be returned to America in the form of Free, 91 octane fuel.

They made 20 Billion this year. so they should give us $19,998,000,000 in free gas.
 
2010-06-14 06:37:02 PM  
So that's a neat story and all but does any of it actually relate to the initial fire on the rig or the subsequent failure of the blowout preventer? The article does make some noises about gas handling but makes no clear connection between cost cutting during construction and the current situation.

I'm a lot more interested in the decisions and decisionsmakers that directly caused the actual explosion, not how BP shaves costs in shady ways like every other corporation on the planet.
 
2010-06-14 06:37:29 PM  
Oh well.
 
2010-06-14 06:38:49 PM  
"who cares, it's done, end of story, will probably be fine."

www.noquarterusa.net

/hot
 
2010-06-14 06:39:48 PM  
img1.fark.net
 
2010-06-14 06:41:05 PM  
FTA: "Time after time, it appears that BP made decisions that increased the risk of a blowout to save the company time or expense,"

Well--- isn't that what companies do?? They're in the business of taking risks and making profits. They're not in the public safety business, except insofar as public image affects their bottom line.

Maybe BP made a bad decision (or bad series of decisions), and it turned out to be a lousy gamble. Maybe they made excellent risk vs benefit decisions, and got unlucky! Even the best, smartest gamblers lose sometimes.
 
2010-06-14 06:42:28 PM  
so a privately owned private sector industry had a whistleblower whose mind was probably in the right place but instead was treated as a Cassandra.....wow Obama you really bungled this one.
 
2010-06-14 06:43:01 PM  
vaconex: "who cares, it's done, end of story, will probably be fine."



/hot


How dare he be doing anything other than pumping the oil out of the water by hand???? IMPEACH THE TRAITOR!
 
2010-06-14 06:43:29 PM  
slepygryhnd: Later that day, another official recognized the risks of proceeding with insufficient centralizers but commented: "who cares, it's done, end of story, will probably be fine."

This is like the oil company version of, "Here, hold muh beer and watch this..."
 
2010-06-14 06:44:09 PM  
During a Weatherford training class (before this catastrophy) our instructor pointed out the possible cost of performing a job in a quick and cheap manner demonstrating how saving a few bucks could cost us big time.

Man was he ever right!
 
2010-06-14 06:44:31 PM  
Later that day, another official recognized the risks of proceeding with insufficient centralizers but commented: "who cares, it's done, end of story, will probably be fine."

Oh, nice. Looks like BP's getting deeper and deeper in the hole every day. Of course by this time next year this whole disaster will have been forgotten by the American public, the media and the powers that be. Big business will continue cutting corners at the expense of safety and we'll keep handing them piles of money for their trouble. Everything will be back to status quo until the next oil spill, and then everyone will drive their SUVs ten miles out of their way to whatever gas station they're not boycotting, all the while screaming, "WHY DID THIS HAVE TO HAPPEN WHARGARRBL FFFFUUUUUUUUU ..."

Just like someone said in an earlier thread: We're addicted to oil. Nothing's going to change.
 
2010-06-14 06:44:40 PM  
"who cares, it's done, end of story, will probably be fine.

You'll get over it.
 
2010-06-14 06:46:47 PM  
You know those helicopters they use to put out fires?

kevrekidis.files.wordpress.com

I want someone to steal one, and load it up with oil instead of water, and then start flying it over BP executives' homes to dump it. I want their kids, their landscaping, their trophy wives, their little white fluffy dogs, their swimming pools, their fancy cars, their gardeners, their butlers, their statuary--everything--covered in black goopy oil. I would pay a great deal of money to see this. It would make me happy. Can someone please start a fund to bankroll this enterprise?
 
2010-06-14 06:47:01 PM  

How dare he be doing anything other than pumping the oil out of the water by hand???? IMPEACH THE TRAITOR!


I hear this a lot and I don't understand your position.

No. He shouldn't be on the shores washing birds or swimming down to plug it himself. Your response is just silly.

I do believe it is in our country's best interest that he postpone any recreation until he can find a solution. I have several recommendations

1. allow the other countries to help
2. meet with BP and have daily progress reports
3. actually "kick ass" instead of making sound bites
4. meet with each governor and discuss their needs and ideas
 
2010-06-14 06:47:50 PM  
www.asitecalledfred.com

"who cares, it's done, end of story, will probably be fine."
 
2010-06-14 06:48:27 PM  
theorellior: Sounds like some low-hanging fruit that maximized profit ROI with win-win shareholder empowerment at the end of the day.

I like that. Thinking outside of the box. This paradigm-shifting go-getter attitude should - allthings being equal - help your career of an go-forward basis, son.
 
2010-06-14 06:49:47 PM  
rickythepenguin: so a privately owned private sector industry had a whistleblower whose mind was probably in the right place but instead was treated as a Cassandra.....wow Obama you really bungled this one.

Your ideas intrigue me, and I would like to sign up for your newsletter.
 
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