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(Times-Tribune)   Pennsylvania county bans "unlicensed" firearms in county parks. Difficulty: Pennsylvania doesn't license guns, so even cop guns would be prohibited   (thetimes-tribune.com) divider line 126
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2010-06-14 03:10:55 PM
davidab: does not believe there is any animal, in the lower 48, scary enough to carry a loaded firearm around "just in case

angry naked apes
 
2010-06-14 03:10:56 PM
 
2010-06-14 03:26:38 PM
Polly Ester: Good. Law enforcement should have to abide by the same gun laws as other citizens.

While I agree with your statement, I want to take it to the next level. Its not just gun laws the cops should have to follow like the rest of us. While I understand they may need to speed for instance, it should be mandatory thatthey have lights a flashing at a minimum. Off the top of my head, other then that they need to follow the same damn laws I have to follow.
 
2010-06-14 03:32:31 PM
davidab: pippi longstocking: WTF is wrong with American's that they feel they need to be armed at all times?

Really? Seriously? The extent of most people's violent encounters involve bar fights and playgrounds when they were kids....AH...OIC...

Look at the profile. This person is from El Paso Texas. Not only is TX a gun happy state like no other, El Paso is across the river from one of the most violent Mexican cities. I bet this troll is packing just in case the computer gets a little uppity.

/gun owner planning a hunt in a national forest this fall.
//does not believe there is any animal, in the lower 48, scary enough to carry a loaded firearm around "just in case."


Are you farking serious? See, this is why I talk shiat like I do here, it's filled with idiots.

Look at this clown. he's actually serious.
 
2010-06-14 03:56:17 PM
Witchydiva: knightofargh: Witchydiva: /delurk

Holy crap it's a Wichydiva!

I've been hiding under a rock for a while. I do have a new 1911 to show for it, though:



(please excuse the fuzzy pic, will take a better one soon)


Will you marry me?
 
2010-06-14 04:01:48 PM
Law is invalid on it's face.

From Pennsylvania's Uniform Firearms Act at 18 Pa.C.S.A. § 6120:

(a) General rule.--No county, municipality or township may in any manner regulate the lawful ownership, possession, transfer or transportation of firearms, ammunition or ammunition components when carried or transported for purposes not prohibited by the laws of this Commonwealth.
 
2010-06-14 04:06:27 PM
el wharrrgarblo: davidab: pippi longstocking: WTF is wrong with American's that they feel they need to be armed at all times?

Really? Seriously? The extent of most people's violent encounters involve bar fights and playgrounds when they were kids....AH...OIC...

Look at the profile. This person is from El Paso Texas. Not only is TX a gun happy state like no other, El Paso is across the river from one of the most violent Mexican cities. I bet this troll is packing just in case the computer gets a little uppity.

/gun owner planning a hunt in a national forest this fall.
//does not believe there is any animal, in the lower 48, scary enough to carry a loaded firearm around "just in case."

Are you farking serious? See, this is why I talk shiat like I do here, it's filled with idiots.

Look at this clown. he's actually serious.


We should introduce him to a rabid badger, or perhaps a Mountain Lion or Hungry Wolf and see how he feels after they're done.
 
2010-06-14 04:11:42 PM
Big Man On Campus: Wait, what? The gun is supposed to apply for the license? And all this time I thought talking to my weapon to teach it english was a bad idea.

Careful, it's a short step from there to the gun loading itself with ammunition and going out and shooting people all on its own.

Do you REALLY want to give the anti-gun nuts something legitimate to garbl their wharr's over? :)
 
2010-06-14 04:20:30 PM
dittybopper:
5 And lo, they didst install adjustable sights, which are an abomination unto the Lord. For they doth break and lose their zero when thou dost need true aim. And those who have done so will be slain in great numbers by their enemies in the great battle. "

Amen.


I know, I know. But I found out how hard it is to aim when it is dark, and wanted night sights. It looks more adjustable than it is (thanks, Loctite).
 
2010-06-14 04:22:11 PM
davidab: does not believe there is any animal, in the lower 48, scary enough to carry a loaded firearm around "just in case."

What? I don't bring a gun camping, but if it were convenient I'd probably prefer to, depending on the area. I'm not too worried about running into a bear/mountain lion/wolf/etc, but I acknowledge these are things that are around and that would probably be able to seriously harm me if they decided to.
 
2010-06-14 04:27:40 PM
you have pee hands: idesofmarch: I saw the headline and knew, KNEW, it had to be Lackawanna. There might as well be a Lackawanna tag...

Really? My guesses would have been Philadelphia, Bucks, Montgomery, Delaware, etc. Not somewhere in the Poconos.


Part of my job involves working in the Scranton and Wilkes-Barre communities, and this just smacked of Lackawanna.
 
2010-06-14 04:28:06 PM
dittybopper: Witchydiva: knightofargh: Witchydiva: /delurk

Holy crap it's a Wichydiva!

I've been hiding under a rock for a while. I do have a new 1911 to show for it, though:

(please excuse the fuzzy pic, will take a better one soon)

We will now have a reading from the Holy Gospel according to John.

" 1 In the beginning was the 1911, and the 1911 was THE pistol, and it was good. And behold the Lord said, "Thou shalt not muck with my disciple John's design for it is good and it workith. For John made the 1911, and lo all of his weapons, from the designs which I, the Lord, gave him upon the mountain."

2 "And shouldst thou muck with it, and hang all manner of foul implements upon it, and profane its internal parts, thou shalt surely have malfunctions, and in the midst of battle thou shalt surely come to harm."

3 And as the ages passed men in their ignorance and arrogance didst forget the word of the Lord and began to profane the 1911. The tribe of the gamesman did place recoil spring guides and extended slide releases upon the 1911 and their metal smiths didst tighten the tolerances and alter parts to their liking, their clearness of mind being clouded by lust.

4 Their artisans did hang all manner of foul implements upon the 1911 and did so alter it that it became impractical to purchase. For lo, the artisans didst charge a great tax upon the purchasers of the 1911 so that the lowly field worker could not afford one. And the profaning of the internal parts didst render it unworkable when the dust of the land fell upon it.

5 And lo, they didst install adjustable sights, which are an abomination unto the Lord. For they doth break and lose their zero when thou dost need true aim. And those who have done so will be slain in great numbers by their enemies in the great battle. "

Amen.


Sandpaper the palm of your hand just to toughen it up, etc.

That still makes me laugh.
 
2010-06-14 04:38:40 PM
davidab: //does not believe there is any animal, in the lower 48, scary enough to carry a loaded firearm around "just in case."

I ran into a pissed-off bighorn sheep when hiking one time, with nothing more than a CO2 powered airsoft pistol at my disposal, so I'm getting a kick out of this reply.

/know how I know you're dumb?
 
2010-06-14 04:56:09 PM
8Draw: Lost Thought 00: PA hasn't seen any mountain lions for fifty someodd years

They're rare, but there are still mountain lions in PA.

That said, I think the odds of running into one here are so low you'd have to be retarded to arm yourself specifically for that purpose.


I almost ran into one and the gun didn't make me feel a whole lot safer. If you do run into one the gun may help but make sure you bring a change of underwear. We do still have them and they are rare. I don't think I'd be too worried about them though.
 
2010-06-14 06:32:38 PM
Lost Thought 00: BHShaman:

PA hasn't seen any mountain lions for fifty someodd years


There are still plenty of bears, bobcats, and raccoons in Pennsylvania.

slykens1: Law is invalid on it's face.

From Pennsylvania's Uniform Firearms Act at 18 Pa.C.S.A. § 6120:

(a) General rule.--No county, municipality or township may in any manner regulate the lawful ownership, possession, transfer or transportation of firearms, ammunition or ammunition components when carried or transported for purposes not prohibited by the laws of this Commonwealth.


As I'm sure Kim Stolfer, who forced Westmoreland County to dump their anti-gun laws in parks is well aware. And if he isn't, he should be embarrassed to be the chairman of any state wide gun rights group. He doesn't need a federal civil rights suit. This law is completely and totally unenforceable as you have so correctly noted.
 
2010-06-14 06:36:12 PM
DantesDiscoInferno: He doesn't need a federal civil rights suit. This law is completely and totally unenforceable as you have so correctly noted.

The law isn't unenforceable. It's just invalid. An unenforceable law would be one that conflicts with physical reality.

I kind of assumed the suit would be the result of any attempt to enforce the law.
 
2010-06-14 06:40:06 PM
JesseL:
The law isn't unenforceable. It's just invalid. An unenforceable law would be one that conflicts with physical reality.

I kind of assumed the suit would be the result of any attempt to enforce the law.


It's unenforceable in the sense that no district attorney who wants his ass to remain intact is going to try to bring up anyone on charges under that law.

The Allegheny County commissioners and the mayor of Pittsburgh tried to do something similar here, and the DA flat out told them that he wasn't going to even attempt to charge anyone under such a law because he'd be in violation of state law.
 
2010-06-14 07:04:46 PM
BHShaman: PA is rumored to have Mt. Lions. Would you want to be walking through a park unarmed when you could be attacked by a lion?

...though no one's sen one in the wild since 1962.

Hell even the one at the Philly Zoo is usually hiding at the back of its enclosure.

/mountain lions don't like people
 
2010-06-14 07:46:12 PM
If there's no licensing system in place, then banning all unlicensed guns is a violation of the right to bear arms, since it effectively means you can't.
 
2010-06-14 08:19:53 PM
freidog: So until now it was perfectly legal to carry an unlicensed firearm in the parks?

There is no mechanism to register a gun in Pennsylvania. Even if you went to the police and expressly requested to register your guns they wouldn't know what to do because it's not possible.

And that's a good thing, if you ask me.
 
2010-06-14 08:28:20 PM
Noticeably F.A.T.: freidog: Now see, I would have just assumed in most places you would need some sort of certification before being allowed to roam around crowded public places with a loaded weapon.

An you'd assume wrong.


No, he wouldn't assume wrong. While open carry is legal (established by the now-dead, infamous Meleanie Hain), it is very rare and usually results in all kinds of police involvement. Typically a person carrying a weapon has a concealed carry permit, which must be applied for in person at the county sheriff's office.

While it is exceptionally rare to see someone openly carrying, there are many thousands of people (although precise numbers are elusive) that have permits, and of those a large percentage carries daily. If you live in Pennsylvania and you're out and about the odds are very good that you pass by or interact with someone who at that very moment is carrying a handgun.
 
2010-06-14 08:35:18 PM
Adolf Oliver Nipples: No, he wouldn't assume wrong. While open carry is legal (established by the now-dead, infamous Meleanie Hain), it is very rare and usually results in all kinds of police involvement. Typically a person carrying a weapon has a concealed carry permit, which must be applied for in person at the county sheriff's office.

While it is exceptionally rare to see someone openly carrying, there are many thousands of people (although precise numbers are elusive) that have permits, and of those a large percentage carries daily. If you live in Pennsylvania and you're out and about the odds are very good that you pass by or interact with someone who at that very moment is carrying a handgun.


So, he would be correct in assuming that you would need some sort of certification before being allowed to roam around crowded public places with a loaded weapon when in fact you don't need any? Because that's what we were talking about, not if open carry is common.
 
2010-06-14 08:56:46 PM
If answering to police and maybe having to retain a lawyer is your goal, open carry is a perfectly legal and legitimate way to carry a weapon in Pennsylvania. I'll leave that up to you to decide if it's worth it or not.
 
2010-06-14 08:59:29 PM
Adolf Oliver Nipples: If answering to police and maybe having to retain a lawyer is your goal, open carry is a perfectly legal and legitimate way to carry a weapon in Pennsylvania. I'll leave that up to you to decide if it's worth it or not.

Getting hassled in PA for open carry doesn't change the fact that that in most places you can in fact walk around carrying a gun without any certification, and that you'd be wrong to assume otherwise.
 
2010-06-15 01:18:18 AM
theBigBigEye: pippi longstocking: WTF is wrong with American's that they feel they need to be armed at all times?

Really? Seriously? The extent of most people's violent encounters involve bar fights and playgrounds when they were kids....AH...OIC...

Yeah, because I can see *all* home invasions going like this:

Burglar: *sneaks into victim's bedroom to steal/kill*

Victim: *wakes up* Huh? Who are you?!

Burglar: I'm gonna steal your stuff, then kill you for teh lulz!

Victim: Nuh-uh-uh! Nuh-uh-uh! *finger wags* That is bad! Very bad, bad, bad!

Burglar: *hangs head* Ohh, shucks! I guess that is bad. Okay, I'm gonna go now. Buh-bye! *leaves quickly*


I'm sure anyone trying to rob you will let you go get their gun without doing a damn thing. Keep living in a movie cowboy.
 
2010-06-15 10:31:04 AM
pippi longstocking
I'm sure anyone trying to rob you will let you go get their gun without doing a damn thing. Keep living in a movie cowboy.


Well if the gun in up in your closet in a safe, disassembled, with the ammo in a separate safe then yes, thou art farked.

If its in your nightstand or better yet under the pillow, he art farked.
 
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