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(Times-Tribune)   Pennsylvania county bans "unlicensed" firearms in county parks. Difficulty: Pennsylvania doesn't license guns, so even cop guns would be prohibited   (thetimes-tribune.com) divider line 126
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2010-06-14 10:53:01 AM  
They can just stand at the edges of the parks with scoped rifles in case there is trouble.
 
2010-06-14 11:30:45 AM  
Wait, what? The gun is supposed to apply for the license? And all this time I thought talking to my weapon to teach it english was a bad idea.
 
2010-06-14 11:32:44 AM  
I am totally cool with forcing the cops to disarm themselves.
 
2010-06-14 11:40:35 AM  
Yeesh....this sounds like something out of the Greg Nickles/Seattle City Council playbook.
 
2010-06-14 11:43:29 AM  
The_Sponge: Yeesh....this sounds like something out of the Greg Nickles/Seattle City Council playbook.

it's lackawanna county. that should tell you something right there. county commissioners in these parts aren't always the sharpest tools in the shed.
 
2010-06-14 11:48:56 AM  
What about if I just keep my gun on a leash at all times?
/yes, that is authentic Pennsylvanian English.
 
2010-06-14 11:54:58 AM  
I need get a license for my gun Erik and my cat, Erik.
/Brilliant, Pennsylvania
 
2010-06-14 12:27:34 PM  
About those machine gun and marijuana stamps...
 
2010-06-14 12:27:53 PM  
Big Man On Campus: Wait, what? The gun is supposed to apply for the license? And all this time I thought talking to my weapon to teach it english was a bad idea.

so you never taught it how to read? the shame
 
2010-06-14 12:29:21 PM  
I'm totally getting vanity plates for my guns!
 
2010-06-14 12:31:52 PM  
WTF is wrong with American's that they feel they need to be armed at all times?

Really? Seriously? The extent of most people's violent encounters involve bar fights and playgrounds when they were kids....AH...OIC...
 
2010-06-14 12:32:01 PM  
beverly8: Big Man On Campus: Wait, what? The gun is supposed to apply for the license? And all this time I thought talking to my weapon to teach it english was a bad idea.

so you never taught it how to read? the shame


Damn gun nuts and their ignorant guns...
 
2010-06-14 12:32:50 PM  
So until now it was perfectly legal to carry an unlicensed firearm in the parks?
 
2010-06-14 12:33:45 PM  
pippi longstocking: WTF is wrong with American's that they feel they need to be armed at all times?

Really? Seriously? The extent of most people's violent encounters involve bar fights and playgrounds when they were kids....AH...OIC...


We've replaced your normal troll with new Folger's Troll-tastic Blend. Let's see if anyone notices.
 
2010-06-14 12:34:19 PM  
pippi longstocking: WTF is wrong with American's that they feel they need to be armed at all times?

Really? Seriously? The extent of most people's violent encounters involve bar fights and playgrounds when they were kids....AH...OIC...


Must be nice to live in your Utopia where muggings and robbery are a thing of the past.
 
2010-06-14 12:34:36 PM  
freidog: So until now it was perfectly legal to carry an unlicensed firearm in the parks?

Pretty much, yes. As it should be.
 
2010-06-14 12:35:00 PM  
pippi longstocking: WTF is wrong with American's that they feel they need to be armed at all times?

I don't feel the need to be armed at all times. But there's no reason for me to not be allowed to be armed whenever I want to be armed.
 
2010-06-14 12:35:45 PM  
Ball of Confusion: Damn gun nuts and their ignorant guns...

No kidding! My rifle won't even calculate windage and holdover. I've got to do that for it. Lazy rifle! You'd think is was an inanimate object.
 
2010-06-14 12:36:24 PM  
This will go great with our fun little 1984 law limiting the rights of adoptees in Pennsylvania, which violates the Equal Protection clause.

Go, PA Go...

/meh
//I need to move...
 
2010-06-14 12:36:57 PM  
I used to work in a PA state park back in high school. We were buddies with the one ranger, an older guy, and used to test his combat-readiness when he least expected it.

"I'm an armed assailant, now. Can you put me down in time? Baton or gun? BATON OR GUN? THIS IS ME STABBING YOU."
 
2010-06-14 12:37:13 PM  
Weaver95: The_Sponge: Yeesh....this sounds like something out of the Greg Nickles/Seattle City Council playbook.

it's lackawanna county. that should tell you something right there. county commissioners in these parts aren't always the sharpest tools in the shed.


They are pretty good at taking bribes and kickbacks though, like the rest of NEPA.

/31 people now?
 
2010-06-14 12:38:21 PM  
Just goes to show you how DUMB the anti-gun crowd is.

No brains what so ever.

How could anyone think otherwise? I mean these people actually think a hunk of metal is bad.

What they don't see to get is that's impossible, and they are delusional.

Guns/cars/knives/capitalism/socialism/et cetera CAN'T be bad.

They are just things and ideas. They can't be bad.

People are bad. People make bad decisions while wielding these things and ideas. People are the ones who need to be held responsible for their actions. You could take away all of the perceived "bad" things and certain people would still find a way to rob and kill and rape.

We have to start holding PEOPLE accountable. That is the only way to clean up any mess.

On a side note, what is it with farking liberals and their need to ban "things" and at the same time not want to hold people responsible and accountable for their actions.

Liberal: "oh dear lord, that bad, bad, knife made that person kill that guy."

Everyone Else: "Really? Cause all my knife made me do was spread jam on my toast."
 
2010-06-14 12:38:51 PM  
Scutter: pippi longstocking: WTF is wrong with American's that they feel they need to be armed at all times?

Really? Seriously? The extent of most people's violent encounters involve bar fights and playgrounds when they were kids....AH...OIC...

Must be nice to live in your Utopia where muggings and robbery are a thing of the past.


...and where wild animals in the national parks are actually quite non-violent. Docile and lethargic, really.

/does it count as being trolled if I responded to someone who responded to a troll?
 
2010-06-14 12:41:22 PM  
The_Sponge: Yeesh....this sounds like something out of the Greg Nickles/Seattle City Council playbook.

That pissed me off, but it was pretty funny to see the city slapped down for it. I work with the Parks Dept and everyone thought it was a stupid rule. I wanted to steal one of the signs to use as a target before they were taken down...
 
2010-06-14 12:45:14 PM  
Good thing that no one in PA pays any attention to the law anyway.
 
2010-06-14 12:48:19 PM  
Lackawanna Wonderful!
 
2010-06-14 12:48:46 PM  
I have this mental picture of a couple of fat cops trying to chase a guy down inside the park. They have to actually run after him and tackle him, instead of just putting a couple of bullets in his back. The Wacky Sax music from Benny Hill plays throughout the scene.
 
2010-06-14 12:49:08 PM  
I love the idea that a criminal, who is already carrying an illegal weapon, will see the park rule and say "Oh, well that applies to me, I dont want to get in trouble for this ILLEGAL WEAPON I AM ALREADY CARRYING"

mmmmm ignorance is bliss, and there sure are a lot of happy people out there.

Folks just like gun control laws dont stop criminals from getting guns, they wont stop criminals from carrying them places. get rid of criminals, the environments that create and harbor them, and the systems that allow them to continue to thrive, and you wont have a gun problem
 
2010-06-14 12:49:09 PM  
freidog: So until now it was perfectly legal to carry an unlicensed firearm in the parks?

Well...if you can't license a firearm in the state, then yes. Obviously it was (and probably still is, since this law is retarded).
 
2010-06-14 12:51:52 PM  
For people asking "Why do you need a gun in a park?"

You don't really need it there any more than anywhere else, but that isn't the issue. The issue is that local officials are arbitrarily creating areas where certain constitutional rights no longer exist. It makes sense to prohibit guns in courthouses, but parks? Has anyone been shot recently in a park there? Would they have been deterred by a sign? Or is it just feel-good BS to create an illusion of safety?

For the record, I don't carry or even own a pistol currently. And I'm a dirty liberal.
 
2010-06-14 12:55:18 PM  
Necrosis: For people asking "Why do you need a gun in a park?"

You don't really need it there any more than anywhere else, but that isn't the issue. The issue is that local officials are arbitrarily creating areas where certain constitutional rights no longer exist. It makes sense to prohibit guns in courthouses, but parks? Has anyone been shot recently in a park there? Would they have been deterred by a sign? Or is it just feel-good BS to create an illusion of safety?

For the record, I don't carry or even own a pistol currently. And I'm a dirty liberal.


This depends on the park, actually. I'm not familiar enough with these parks but I'm guessing your statement might hold true here. However, out west or up further north maybe not so much. Large predators can be a problem, you know.
 
2010-06-14 12:58:55 PM  
pippi longstocking: WTF is wrong with American's that they feel they need to be armed at all times?

Really? Seriously? The extent of most people's violent encounters involve bar fights and playgrounds when they were kids....AH...OIC...


Yeah, because I can see *all* home invasions going like this:

Burglar: *sneaks into victim's bedroom to steal/kill*

Victim: *wakes up* Huh? Who are you?!

Burglar: I'm gonna steal your stuff, then kill you for teh lulz!

Victim: Nuh-uh-uh! Nuh-uh-uh! *finger wags* That is bad! Very bad, bad, bad!

Burglar: *hangs head* Ohh, shucks! I guess that is bad. Okay, I'm gonna go now. Buh-bye! *leaves quickly*
 
2010-06-14 01:03:43 PM  
pippi longstocking: WTF is wrong with American's that they feel they need to be armed at all times?

Really? Seriously? The extent of most people's violent encounters involve bar fights and playgrounds when they were kids....AH...OIC...


Yeah, and MOST people prefer to keep it that way. Many prefer to arm themselves to prevent being a crime statistic. But don't worry-many of the "enlightened" among us are working diligently to change this.
 
2010-06-14 01:05:22 PM  
ronaprhys: Necrosis: For people asking "Why do you need a gun in a park?"

You don't really need it there any more than anywhere else, but that isn't the issue. The issue is that local officials are arbitrarily creating areas where certain constitutional rights no longer exist. It makes sense to prohibit guns in courthouses, but parks? Has anyone been shot recently in a park there? Would they have been deterred by a sign? Or is it just feel-good BS to create an illusion of safety?

For the record, I don't carry or even own a pistol currently. And I'm a dirty liberal.

This depends on the park, actually. I'm not familiar enough with these parks but I'm guessing your statement might hold true here. However, out west or up further north maybe not so much. Large predators can be a problem, you know.


There have been a few times camping/hiking where I would've been more comfortable with a shotgun or something handy. Being dismembered by a bear or mountain lion ranks pretty low on my to-do list.
 
2010-06-14 01:05:55 PM  
Good. Law enforcement should have to abide by the same gun laws as other citizens.
 
2010-06-14 01:07:27 PM  
FYI: It's PA state law that local government may not enact their own gun laws. So they fail on two counts with this one.
 
2010-06-14 01:07:59 PM  
Here's a suggestion to legislative bodies of all kinds:

The next time you get a feeling that you need to create more useless laws... let it pass.

Thanks.
 
2010-06-14 01:09:03 PM  
I don't care if I can't carry a weapon into a PA park, but FARK YOU!!!! if you think you can stop me from smoking in a OPEN AIR PARK..I have every right to be there too. Keep up wind and it'll be ok...oh and don't breathe/eat/drink because everything will give you cancer just as assuredly.
 
2010-06-14 01:12:04 PM  
Big Man On Campus: Wait, what? The gun is supposed to apply for the license? And all this time I thought talking to my weapon to teach it english was a bad idea.

I was wondering why that AK I bought from the guy in the van will only clear when I cuss at it in Spanish.
 
2010-06-14 01:12:52 PM  
I saw the headline and knew, KNEW, it had to be Lackawanna. There might as well be a Lackawanna tag...
 
2010-06-14 01:22:55 PM  
Spade: Weaver95: The_Sponge: Yeesh....this sounds like something out of the Greg Nickles/Seattle City Council playbook.

it's lackawanna county. that should tell you something right there. county commissioners in these parts aren't always the sharpest tools in the shed.

They are pretty good at taking bribes and kickbacks though, like the rest of NEPA.

/31 people now?


and all but 2 of them were either elected democrats or were appointed by elected democrats
 
2010-06-14 01:24:00 PM  
Little OT:
billstclair.com

PA is rumored to have Mt. Lions. Would you want to be walking through a park unarmed when you could be attacked by a lion?

For Urbanite clarification, these 'parks' are not manicured lawns where you go and sit. They are often publicly owned wilderness where many people take long hikes and overnight camping.
 
2010-06-14 01:25:02 PM  
devine: freidog: So until now it was perfectly legal to carry an unlicensed firearm in the parks?

Pretty much, yes. As it should be.


Now see, I would have just assumed in most places you would need some sort of certification before being allowed to roam around crowded public places with a loaded weapon. Something to state you at least know the difference between the safety and the trigger, or which end you don't point at people.
At least I would feel a lot safer going out in public if that's the case.

/yes, yes, yes, you know how to use a firearm, that doesn't mean everybody who can pass a background check can safely handle one.
 
2010-06-14 01:28:05 PM  
I think the "no unsupervised children under 14 in the parks." is a stupid rule too.

We don't want any 6 & 7th graders coming over here for a picnic!!

I know 12,13,14 year olds cause mischief but there are a lot of really good kids out there too. "Let's go hang out in at the park." "We can't - not allowed."

This is just the local government being lazy. Easier to ban them all.
 
2010-06-14 01:28:35 PM  
pippi longstocking: WTF is wrong with American's that they feel they need to be armed at all times?

Really? Seriously? The extent of most people's violent encounters involve bar fights and playgrounds when they were kids....AH...OIC...


I live in Alabama, and I only know a few people who own guns. I do know one guy who owns a pistol he bought on the street from some random guy, and he gave that gun to a friend to keep for him. When asked why he bought the gun if he doesn't need it, never uses it and doesn't even have possession of it (he was afraid his mom would find it...) he just shrugged his shoulders and said "cause you gotta have one to survive out there", whatever the fark that means.

People who own guns here are generally
1) collectors
2) crazy militia people
3) gang members
4) hunters
5) cops
6) people who listen to rap
7) people concerned for their safety

List is organized based on how many guns these people are more likely to have. A concerned citizen might have a pistol in their closet or drawer or something. Collectors will have guns scattered about the house as though they were knick-knacks.

The really funny thing is that most of the guns floating around out there killing people on the street are guns that people stole by breaking into someone else's house while they weren't there. People will leave their guns in plain sight instead of locking them up.
 
2010-06-14 01:29:02 PM  
pippi longstocking: WTF is wrong with American's that they feel they need to be armed at all times?

Really? Seriously? The extent of most people's violent encounters involve bar fights and playgrounds when they were kids....AH...OIC...


They aren't "armed at all times". Some of us are armed some of the time. Usually for hunting or sport shooting. Your fear of weaponry is precious.
 
2010-06-14 01:30:30 PM  
HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO ENJOY THE COUNTY PARK IF NOBODY IS SHOOTING ANY GUNS???
 
2010-06-14 01:32:09 PM  
freidog: Now see, I would have just assumed in most places you would need some sort of certification before being allowed to roam around crowded public places with a loaded weapon.

An you'd assume wrong.

At least I would feel a lot safer going out in public if that's the case.

Why? Are you getting hit by misfires right now? Because there's a whole fark-ton of folks out there who carry all the time (without any kind of liscense), and they don't seem to be hurting you.
 
2010-06-14 01:33:15 PM  
BHShaman: Little OT:


PA is rumored to have Mt. Lions. Would you want to be walking through a park unarmed when you could be attacked by a lion?

For Urbanite clarification, these 'parks' are not manicured lawns where you go and sit. They are often publicly owned wilderness where many people take long hikes and overnight camping.


PA hasn't seen any mountain lions for fifty someodd years
 
2010-06-14 01:33:59 PM  


List is organized based on how many guns these people are more likely to have. .... Collectors will have guns scattered about the house as though they were knick-knacks.



Pretty good list there. Though real collectors have their firearms in a humidity controlled safe or even safe room, not leaning up against the door jam or laying behind the couch. That would be a wanna be collector just trying to impress his non-gun owning friends with how many guns he has.
 
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