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2010-06-13 11:46:35 PM
BadAnalogyGuy: Carth: BadAnalogyGuy: *uh, spoiler, but seriously you haven't already read Lolita? Go read it, man*

Everyone dies in Lolita? I believe Lolita is still alive, as well as Humbert Humbert at the end. The only ones I can remember dying were Lolita's mother and Quilty.

You might want to reread it. Humbert dies of Coronary thrombosis and Lolita dies during childbirth. I believe that was mentioned in the forward though so technically they die in the beginning? Maybe i need to reread it too.

BTW, apropos of nothing, I think this is one of the best written English language novels ever written. It feels like there isn't a single word or sentence wasted or out of place. Each word works to advance the plot and there is not a single word wasted.

My opinion, of course.


I agree. It's one of my favorite books, a total desert island book. Considering English was like Nabokov's third language (after Russian and French, both of which he also wrote novels in), his mastery of the language is truly remarkable.

It's also a horrifying book.

Humbert Humbert is a man who was totally aware that his lusts were the result of a deep psychosis stemming from the trauma of losing his first love at an early age. He knew he was a monster and absolutely hated himself. shiat, near the end he even says that the reason he calls himself Humbert Humbert in the book is because Humbert was the ugliest name he could think of and he doubled it to make it twice as ugly. I've never met anyone who read it as though HH wasn't absolutely disgusted by himself in every scene (admittedly I don't THINK I know any pedophiles). Anyone who uses that book to justify pedophelia isn't just an evil sex criminal, they're lousy at critical reading.
 
2010-06-13 11:47:40 PM
calbert: strangely absent: Bible, Koran, Talmud, Twilight.

Missed one:

farm5.static.flickr.com

/kinda like twilight
//with gladiators instead of vampires
 
2010-06-13 11:52:53 PM
Zamboro: the past decade of deregulation

Is an utter myth.

Jim_Callahan: The whole "man is entitled to the sweat of his won brow" thing would have rung a bit truer if there were any sweat involved whatsoever.

I think that's exactly why she specifically had all of them- Galt, Roark, Taggart- at some point (willingly and gladly) take manual labor jobs. She was trying to explicitly contrast them with the non-productive idle rich.

BadAnalogyGuy: Whether it was due to hubris or insecurity or worse simple ignorance, her claim is preposterous and she comes off as a liar

This is very true, and among the valid criticisms of Rand. She was insanely arrogant, and a lot more ignorant than she would concede. She was not original, she was firmly within several already existing traditions, in both politics and philosophy. To acknowledge no predecessor but Aristotle is indeed laughable.
 
2010-06-13 11:53:14 PM
shivashakti: What? No Ayn Rand?

calbert: strangely absent: Bible, Koran, Talmud, Twilight.

Miss Stein: calbert: strangely absent: Bible, Koran, Talmud, Twilight.

Missed one:



/kinda like twilight
//with gladiators instead of vampires


Uh, it's the five GREATEST books with psychotic fan bases. Not 5 books with psychotic fan bases. None of those books are all that good.
 
2010-06-13 11:53:37 PM
HairBolus: Studies have shown that books that appeal to nut cases are among the most stolen from libraries.

I wonder about the guy who stole "Brion Gysin let the mice in" from the DPL.
 
2010-06-13 11:53:57 PM
SharkTrager: jake_lex:
Psychopathic business types who use Atlas Shrugged as their philosophical justification for raping the world and farking people over, however, are getting exactly what Rand meant. They're not misinterpreting that novel. They're taking it to the logical end that Rand created.

Actually, she condemned those types as they don't actually produce anything. Not saying she's a genius, but most of those we associate with her work would not have been people she approved of.


This.
I may not care for her nor her books, but her ideas have been seriously misinterpreted for the lulz bucks.

See also: 7 habits of highly effective people (which I really enjoyed, and was appalled at how the message was twisted by the same folks spouting Rand as an excuse for their stealfarkery).
 
2010-06-13 11:54:53 PM
The Bible
The Qur'an
Lord of the Rings trilogy
Atlas Shrugged

The 5th one, if there is one, is something like Twilight, and it changes every decade(or more frequently).
 
2010-06-13 11:55:13 PM
Zamboro: Yeah but the fallout from the past decade of deregulation sure isn't.

War. War never changes.
 
2010-06-13 11:55:15 PM
funk_soul_bubby: Cracked links should get their own Seanbaby tag, because I don't care much to read it unless it's Seanbaby.

Brockway is good too. His weaponized weed article had me crying.

/"What if I AM the ball?"
 
2010-06-13 11:55:48 PM
Where do the Star Wars, Harry Potter, Star Trek, and Wheel of Time fans fall in terms of fan bases?
 
2010-06-13 11:56:40 PM
HairBolus: Studies have shown that books that appeal to nut cases are among the most stolen from libraries.

Like Johnny The Homicidal Maniac.
 
2010-06-13 11:58:01 PM
Aidan: stealfarkery.

I haven't added a new word to my dictionary in a couple of months. Thanks.
 
2010-06-13 11:59:05 PM
Jim_Callahan: The whole "man is entitled to the sweat of his won brow" thing would have rung a bit truer if there were any sweat involved whatsoever. Her heroes are invariably people who don't actually contribute anything themselves, but make money off the work of others. So, basically, reading the books will lead to more "hey, maybe Marx had a point" thoughts than actual agreement with her non-fiction essays.

To add in another element of hypocrisy and stupidity to it, the heroine of Atlas Shrugged was a railroad baroness. The railroad industry owes nearly its entire continued existence to government handouts. Kind of stupid for Rand to be touting and praising "doing it yourself" when your heroine does something that can't be done without the enforced kindness of taxpayer money.
 
2010-06-14 12:00:19 AM
RemyDuron: Uh, it's the five GREATEST books with psychotic fan bases. Not 5 books with psychotic fan bases. None of those books are all that good.

I stand corrected.

/psychotic fan base is still psychotic
 
2010-06-14 12:00:59 AM
rjdent.files.wordpress.com = www.weirdworm.com

img1.fantasticfiction.co.uk = www.babble.com
 
2010-06-14 12:01:24 AM
No Dianetics?
 
2010-06-14 12:01:53 AM
My four favorite books:

Lolita
In Cold Blood
The Brothers Karamazov
One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest

The central character(s) in each book are basically depraved lunatics, but the writing is so well done you almost empathize with them. Lolita and OFOTCN do this particularly well I think.

I catch shiat from people when I say Lolita is one of my favorite books. I was glad to see this article defend it for what it is.
 
2010-06-14 12:02:16 AM
In the Mouth of Madness - Sutter Cane. Good stuff.
 
2010-06-14 12:02:27 AM
RemyDuron: Uh, it's the five GREATEST books with psychotic fan bases. Not 5 books with psychotic fan bases. None of those books are all that good.

"Greatest" is pretty subjective. In terms of their impact on the world, I would suggest that most of the books listed in this thread are greater than the ones in TFA.
 
2010-06-14 12:03:07 AM
logruszed

I thought of Stranger, but what's psychotic about a book that speaks so much truth? It's like being a fanatical follower of logic and reason.

As far as Hubbard, Dianetics would be the book. Some of them are definitely highly psychotic.
 
2010-06-14 12:04:39 AM
bhcompy: As far as Hubbard, Dianetics would be the book. Some of them are definitely highly psychotic.

Yes, but they are like a hive of bees. Mostly harmless unless provoked.
 
2010-06-14 12:08:07 AM
BadAnalogyGuy: Yes, but they are like a hive of bees. Mostly harmless unless provoked.

Also described as being akin to a hive of angry bees:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2010-06-14 12:08:55 AM
Where the fark is

thecst.org.uk

Hot n' stuff.
 
2010-06-14 12:09:17 AM
gnarr: I catch shiat from people when I say Lolita is one of my favorite books.

Perv
 
2010-06-14 12:09:35 AM
Kar98: BadAnalogyGuy: Yes, but they are like a hive of bees. Mostly harmless unless provoked.

Also described as being akin to a hive of angry bees:


www.creepygif.com
/hotblinged like a motherfarker
 
2010-06-14 12:12:04 AM
Well, that's abnormally large.

/that's what she said
 
2010-06-14 12:12:52 AM
Dianetics?

www.coverbrowser.com
 
2010-06-14 12:14:32 AM
calbert: strangely absent: Bible, Koran, Talmud, Twilight.

You win the thread.
 
2010-06-14 12:15:40 AM
Kome: To add in another element of hypocrisy and stupidity to it, the heroine of Atlas Shrugged was a railroad baroness. The railroad industry owes nearly its entire continued existence to government handouts. Kind of stupid for Rand to be touting and praising "doing it yourself" when your heroine does something that can't be done without the enforced kindness of taxpayer money

Did you entirely miss the part were the bad guys were the heads of the other railroad companies (and her own brother within the same company) who wanted to do exactly that?
 
2010-06-14 12:19:57 AM
Churchill2004:
Jim_Callahan: The whole "man is entitled to the sweat of his won brow" thing would have rung a bit truer if there were any sweat involved whatsoever.

I think that's exactly why she specifically had all of them- Galt, Roark, Taggart- at some point (willingly and gladly) take manual labor jobs. She was trying to explicitly contrast them with the non-productive idle rich.


Sure, but that's not how they made the money that the central conflict of the novels centers around. Che Guevara did his time as a male nurse/Gynecologist, and Hitler once drove a truck. So both have basically the same claim to being champions of individual liberty and self-sufficiency as any of Rand's heroes.

//Examples used because they both were later champions of forced redistribution of wealth and enemies of free-market capitalism, not for Godwin purposes.
 
2010-06-14 12:21:09 AM
I read Rand when I was a teenager, and what I took from the books was the idea of rational self-interest. The problem is that so few people can grasp the rational aspect of that and are just concerned with self-interest.
 
2010-06-14 12:23:18 AM
On Rand:
Poor philosopher,
Terrible writer,
Awful all-round human being.

Sadly, since her books were specifically written to flatter those in high society in order to help her climb socially ("pity" she was too stupid to realize that she'd never get on the political scene as a vocal atheist), they have endured since they heavy-handedly reinforce what the rich-and-useless WANT to believe... That they're actually very smart and talented and productive, not lucky parasites (not all rich people, but many get far, far more than is proportionate to their level of productivity).

That's really all there is: fellate people enough, and they'll invite you to parties and let you hang out with their friends... As long as you keep on puttin' out.
 
2010-06-14 12:23:38 AM
nerdfighters
 
2010-06-14 12:28:42 AM
shivashakti: What? No Ayn Rand?

Rand's followers have moved beyond "psychotic fan base" and into the "deluded rabble" base, I would think. Kind of like how "Battlefield Earth" isn't on the list.

What?! I hear you saying in disbelief. But L. Ron Hubbard was one of the creators of science fiction as we know it today: Until he lost his mind and succumbed to the lure of that bet at the 1938 World Science Fiction convention, he was a seminal figure in SF. But, like Rand, he doesn't have a "psychotic fan base" anymore, but a "deluded rabble" base.
 
2010-06-14 12:29:35 AM
i796.photobucket.com
?
 
2010-06-14 12:32:30 AM
bossuniversalAA: ?

There are many people who believe wholeheartedly in that book and strive to live their lives in a way that is good and right.

That it has been twisted and used by some to manipulate those good people doesn't really make those 'users' psychotic. They would have found any religious text useful to their ends.
 
2010-06-14 12:32:42 AM
Gyrfalcon: shivashakti: What? No Ayn Rand?

Rand's followers have moved beyond "psychotic fan base" and into the "deluded rabble" base, I would think. Kind of like how "Battlefield Earth" isn't on the list.

What?! I hear you saying in disbelief. But L. Ron Hubbard was one of the creators of science fiction as we know it today: Until he lost his mind and succumbed to the lure of that bet at the 1938 World Science Fiction convention, he was a seminal figure in SF. But, like Rand, he doesn't have a "psychotic fan base" anymore, but a "deluded rabble" base.


And his psychotic fanbase aren't fans of Battlefield Earth, which would be awesome, they're fans of Dianetics, which was crap.
 
2010-06-14 12:34:52 AM
When did Cracked stop being a second-rate rip-off of MAD and start being stupid top 5/top 10 things you didn't know about _________?
 
2010-06-14 12:36:32 AM
FTA: The only hidden meaning to Lord of the Rings as confirmed by the author is the horror of rapid industrial expansion at the expense of nature. Which pretty much opposes the policies of the Nazi party completely. Whatever else they were, they were not "green."

i.imgur.com

funk_soul_bubby: Cracked links should get their own Seanbaby tag, because I don't care much to read it unless it's Seanbaby.

Seanbaby's been writing the same shiat since OMM discovered him in '99. Yes, reminisces about Mr. T and Hostess cakes were awesome 11 years ago. Today -- 11 months, 4 years, and 14 days exactly since OMM started hosting him -- his repetition has long since passed the shelf life of a HOSTESS SNACK CAKE lololol but seriously -- passé.
 
2010-06-14 12:37:03 AM
HairBolus: Studies have shown that books that appeal to nut cases are among the most stolen from libraries.

Considering that the Guinness Book of World Records is on that list, does that mean that record seekers are.... oh wait. NM as you were!
 
2010-06-14 12:37:26 AM
img1.fark.net

Can we at least get a Fark worthy headline with these?
 
2010-06-14 12:37:33 AM
NovaeDeArx: Sadly, since her books were specifically written to flatter those in high society in order to help her climb socially.... etc, etc

This is a perfect example of someone getting Rand exactly backwards. You literally could not make a statement more diametrically opposed to the actual facts of Rand's life and intended message than this.

Jim_Callahan: Sure, but that's not how they made the money that the central conflict of the novels centers around. Che Guevara did his time as a male nurse/Gynecologist, and Hitler once drove a truck. So both have basically the same claim to being champions of individual liberty and self-sufficiency as any of Rand's heroes.

//Examples used because they both were later champions of forced redistribution of wealth and enemies of free-market capitalism, not for Godwin purposes


John Galt was never super-rich, though. He was an engineer who got screwed over by his stupid employer, and so quit. And he's the only in the book who's supposed to be a "champion of individual liberty and self-sufficiency". As for Dagny and Rearden, their conflicts weren't centered around their wealth per se but rather that they are critically important to the functioning of their respective businesses, for which they are unappreciated.
 
2010-06-14 12:39:42 AM
Dr. Mojo PhD: Today -- 11 months, 4 years, and 14 days exactly since OMM started hosting him

FAIL!

11 years, 4 months, and 14 days. If it's any comfort, I'm incredibly sick and so stuffed up one eye is like glued shut it's so swollen.
 
2010-06-14 12:39:57 AM
Churchill2004: Did you entirely miss the part were the bad guys were the heads of the other railroad companies (and her own brother within the same company) who wanted to do exactly that?

What, people actually did manage to read past the first couple of pages?
 
2010-06-14 12:41:18 AM
jake_lex: Churchill2004: oldebayer: shivashakti: What? No Ayn Rand?

Any list like that without Atlas Shrugged on it is a list of pure FAIL.

I don't think you're saying what you think you're saying. In the structure of TFA, that would imply that Atlas Shrugged was a misunderstood magnum opus, and the psychotic followers would not be those who agreed with her but rather social-con Republicans who cite her despite her having passionately hated social conservatism.

/Rand was a crazy biatch
//and she was wrong most of the time
///but she did get a few important things right

And I think that TFA was about people misinterpreting books to justify their own lives/political positions, in ways the author of those books obviously did not intend. I mean, using LOTR as a pro-Nazi allegory is just insane.

Psychopathic business types who use Atlas Shrugged as their philosophical justification for raping the world and farking people over, however, are getting exactly what Rand meant. They're not misinterpreting that novel. They're taking it to the logical end that Rand created.


right on, thanks.
I really didn't feel like posting.
good job, sir.
 
2010-06-14 12:46:28 AM
I'm so glad I've never read a word of Ayn Rand...and never will...
 
2010-06-14 12:52:55 AM
Gyrfalcon: I'm so glad I've never read a word of Ayn Rand...and never will...

And this is how the Fark Politics Tab was born.
 
2010-06-14 12:55:44 AM
NovaeDeArx: On Rand:
Poor philosopher,
Terrible writer,
Awful all-round human being.


Well, the unsupported opinion of some anonymous idiot posting on FARK is all the evidence I need to hear.
 
2010-06-14 12:56:09 AM
Ayn Rand is the stupid... Even Kim Jong Mao Hilter Stalin, Jr. isnt' as crazy as Rand.
 
2010-06-14 12:59:32 AM
UNC_Samurai: calbert: strangely absent: Bible, Koran, Talmud, Twilight.

Twilight is different - it inspires the desire to mass murder followers OF the book as opposed to those who DON'T.


And it's not a great book. Or series
 
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