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(Some Guy)   Thanks to Arizona's illegal immigration law, doctors there could be arrested for treating an illegal immigrant   (ktar.com) divider line 178
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2010-06-09 07:39:18 AM
We're all Arizonians now.

Where is the ARIZONA tag ?
 
2010-06-09 07:49:32 AM
He is right that doctors should not be worrying about someone's immigration status. Let them do their job and fix people. Leave the immigration issue up to hospital administrators. They will hold someone for the police to come pick up even after a minor accident if alcohol was involved. So there is no reason for them to not have ICE pick up someone who is here illegally once they are ready to be released. Maybe that kind of unease knowing if you get sick or injured your going back would get more people here illegally to fix their immigration status or go home.
 
2010-06-09 08:02:18 AM
GaryPDX: Britney Spear's Speculum: GaryPDX: This thread is hoppin.

Like a mexican hoppin the fence hoppin?

Yea something like that.


Well, if they just continue to shoot them at the border this won't be an issue anymore.

/yeah I went there

//can't believe I'm the first
 
2010-06-09 08:07:11 AM
GaryPDX: John Dewey: So...as a teacher, could I be arrested for teaching them?

Technically, anyone who aids and abets criminal activity is considered an accomplice. But I don't see how you could being a public employee and your bosses choose to ignore the Rule of Law. But somebody upstairs needs an ass kickin.

If they are anchor babies, you're free and clear.


Every time I see the phrase "anchor baby" I get a clear mental image of a baby (complete with heavy duty chain) being thrown overboard.
 
2010-06-09 08:07:16 AM
xen0blue: i'm pro-arizona anti-illegal immigrant reform, but I don't think they should be ARRESTED for treating an illegal immigrant, but they should be required to report them after they treat them.

That is why it should be up to the hospital administration, if the fact of someone's immigration status presents itself. Even they shouldn't be running immigration checks. Doctors have no way to know this and have enough to deal with. Trying to dump something like this on doctors would be pointless. Hey, this guy's spleen looks illegal, call Homeland Security.
 
2010-06-09 08:10:09 AM
Dr. Samuel Mudd as precedent?
 
2010-06-09 08:10:44 AM
t3.gstatic.com

//Obscure?
 
2010-06-09 08:10:46 AM
so as an illegal it would be best not to go there? hmmmm I wonder if the law meant to discourage illegal immigration by taking away incentives?
 
2010-06-09 08:26:01 AM
According to Obama's health plan I believe all doctors will be rounded up and placed into camps where they will be forced to watch All In The Family reruns for eternity.

We will now receive medical treatment from Guatemalan tree farmers.
 
2010-06-09 08:29:07 AM
Tingle007: so as an illegal it would be best not to go there? hmmmm I wonder if the law meant to discourage illegal immigration by taking away incentives?

Strange concept, I guess most people don't get it.

"We don't want illegals in our state, and will do everything we can to make your life a living hell until you leave it"

Nothing wrong with that really, "Get legal or GTFO" would be a little easier for the idiots against this law to understand I guess.

But then they would not have their cause du jour and they would be forced to be outraged over the color of lunch meat or something.
 
2010-06-09 08:32:48 AM
shamp: So when do we start shipping those European mutts back over the pond?



/Fricking foreigners!


As soon as they become a World power with the means to do so? Really that all the troll-fu you got?
 
2010-06-09 08:38:58 AM
sinschild: Strange concept, I guess most people don't get it.

t3.gstatic.com

"My concerns were with his injuries, not with his citizenship."
 
2010-06-09 08:42:03 AM
Make them pay cash up front since illegals can't have insurance.

No pay, no treat.

Broktun
 
2010-06-09 08:46:35 AM
Hmmm... don't see a problem with this. For the millionth time, illegal means ILLEGAL. I don't get to pick and choose the laws I obey.
 
2010-06-09 08:50:51 AM
FTFA:Dr. Lucas Restrepo of Barrow Neurological Institute in Phoenix, outlined the worries in a letter published in the New England Journal of Medicine.

So Dr. Lucas Restrepo is opposed to the law and attempting to use scare tactics to get other physicians on board, and the New England Journal of Medicine is allowing itself to be used for that purpose.

I always thought it was a medical journal and not a political rag.
 
2010-06-09 09:03:39 AM
LouDobbsAwaaaay: Pick: America is full. We need to close the borders NOW!

Translation: I got mine. Now let's change the rules.


www.dreadcentral.com
 
2010-06-09 09:05:34 AM
ldasil: We somewhat agree. I don't think the law is racist but I have my doubts about a lot of the people charged with enforcing it. And while I am NOT saying illegal activity should be ignored, when I think immigration reform I do not think of just enforcing the laws they way they are but changing them. Not just AZ but federal laws. It's not so easy to come here legally and I think it should be. After all, I'm not a Native American. How many of us are?

Technically, none of us, or them. Humans migrated here from Asia. Simple matter of time, semantics. Injuns lost, get over it.

It should NOT be easy to come here legally. We are not a huge country with a small population anymore, we are plenty crowded. It is time we start thinking about our citizens first, like every other country in the world does.
 
2010-06-09 09:09:06 AM
Get legal.

/Native American
 
2010-06-09 09:10:36 AM
Thunderpipes: It should NOT be easy to come here legally

See, I disagree. I think, if you cross our borders without a passport issued by a foreign power, you're a citizen, whether you like it or not. All the rights, and especially all the responsibilities.
 
2010-06-09 09:15:39 AM
pudintain: How would they be "shielding or concealing" them by treating them?

Then why is there a fire fighter and paramedic exception?
 
2010-06-09 09:26:15 AM
That's crazy. I say...
Raise our taxes so they all can be treated whenever/wherever regardless of ability to pay.
 
2010-06-09 09:30:48 AM
Hey if you want to go after employers this is what you get.

Let's go after the landlords too. Seriously, cut off their access to employers, healthcare, and housing and see what happens.
 
2010-06-09 09:33:38 AM
GaryPDX: John Dewey: So...as a teacher, could I be arrested for teaching them?

Technically, anyone who aids and abets criminal activity is considered an accomplice. But I don't see how you could being a public employee and your bosses choose to ignore the Rule of Law. But somebody upstairs needs an ass kickin.

If they are anchor babies, you're free and clear.


www.hairyfishnuts.com

Agrees
 
2010-06-09 09:33:45 AM
The Dr. in the article is a jackass and knows full well the law does not state he can not treat illegals, if so all the hospitals in AZ would be shuttered. He should however report them to the proper authorities.
 
2010-06-09 09:34:10 AM
YEAH ARIZONA!
 
2010-06-09 09:48:38 AM
Fear mongering retards trolling the news.
 
2010-06-09 10:07:07 AM
GOOD!
 
2010-06-09 10:12:22 AM
John Dewey: So...as a teacher, could I be arrested for teaching them?

No, apparently only for'a bedding them. That should scare a lot of teachers.
 
2010-06-09 10:18:23 AM
Oh, BRILLIANT. So ER docs are pinched between EMTALA, which mandates that everyone that walks in the door must be treated regardless of citizenship or ability to pay, and the new immigration law, which says they can be arrested if they do?
 
2010-06-09 10:20:09 AM
Evil_ferret: likes this!
 
2010-06-09 10:24:55 AM
Hero tag missing?
 
2010-06-09 10:30:23 AM
Treating = concealing? Hell of a stretch.
 
2010-06-09 10:32:05 AM
FTFA If a doctor treats an illegal immigrant, Restrepo said, "someone could advance the argument that they are shielding or concealing that person."

Yes, someone could advance that argument. And everyone else could then laugh at them and point.
 
2010-06-09 10:35:37 AM
Nest up: Arizona requires Doctors to give any suspected illegal immigrants who come for treatment a lethal injection. They are illegal (or at least look that way), therefore any action against them is fully justified.
 
2010-06-09 10:35:44 AM
Send them to prison at Fort Jefferson. Dr. Sam Mudd would approve.
 
2010-06-09 10:37:44 AM
feckingmorons: nekom: pedobearapproved: Sounds like a stretch. How would the doctor even know, and where does it say or even imply that it's part of their job to ask?

According to the oath they take, they needn't concern themselves with such matters. Just help, or at least, do no harm.

Doctors don't actually take any such oath. It is a tradition, not a legal requirement.

Doctors have no obligation to report anyone's immigration status, much less ascertain their immigration.

Doctors are no more liable to be prosecuted for this crime than plumbers, or hairdressers who have clients that are undocumented aliens.

If the doctor, or plumber, or hairdresser knowingly hires an undocumented alien and harbors that illegal alien at his home, then they are subject to prosecution in the Federal Courts as it is. That however has absolutely nothing to do with their professional practice.


Thabk you for injecting some reason into the thread.
/getting sick of liberal strawmen arguments
 
2010-06-09 10:46:18 AM
shamp: So when do we start shipping those European mutts back over the pond?



/Fricking foreigners!


fight harder next time.

as a gesture of peace, take these blankets and these bottles of booze.
 
2010-06-09 10:48:17 AM
Tingle007: so as an illegal it would be best not to go there? hmmmm I wonder if the law meant to discourage illegal immigration by taking away incentives?

Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner
 
2010-06-09 10:55:36 AM
DSan: Screw the illegals. They come to our country illegally and shouldn't be allowed to drive our medical costs up. Screw them.

Yes. Let's not give illegals any medical care. Then they will simply give up and go home. What's that? They won't go home? They'll stay here, interact with society, and contract and spread communicable diseases for which we won't allow them medical treatment?

BRILLIANT!

Your a idiot.
 
2010-06-09 11:04:58 AM
The political derp in this thread is ultramega OK. To steal the screaming life of a would-be illegal immigrant is something that just happens. I mean, Mexico didn't do diddly when one of their their conveniently super-unknown citizens shot my sister in the shoulder over the fence 5 years ago, did they?

She's a 16-year veteran agent with a louder-then-love opinion of illegal immigration: "Hey, it's nothing personal or racist. We're just people enforcing the law. What's the big fopping deal?" I totally agree with that.

The only thing I can think of that brings it down on the upside is how Mexico's entire country: their government, their local officials, and of course their fleeing masses, seem to just flip their bad motorfinger at the US and it's citizens, as if to say, "What to do you expect? You're doing a lot better than we are, so we're going to infiltrate, outbreed, lie, cheat, kill and just basically overwhelm your country. What's the big fopping deal?"

So basically that's why I have very little sympathy for their side of the issue: they're so sarcastically manipulative of the situation that they can't be trusted.

However, thay CAN still be shot.
 
2010-06-09 11:07:25 AM
sinschild: Tingle007: so as an illegal it would be best not to go there? hmmmm I wonder if the law meant to discourage illegal immigration by taking away incentives?

Strange concept, I guess most people don't get it.

"We don't want illegals in our state, and will do everything we can to make your life a living hell until you leave it"

Nothing wrong with that really, "Get legal or GTFO" would be a little easier for the idiots against this law to understand I guess.

But then they would not have their cause du jour and they would be forced to be outraged over the color of lunch meat or something.


Why not just enforce mandatory executions of illegals? That would certainly make them not want to come, right? And if a citizen or two gets shot in the process, well, they shouldn't have looked so much like an illegal immigrant.
 
2010-06-09 11:09:00 AM
namegoeshere: DSan: Screw the illegals. They come to our country illegally and shouldn't be allowed to drive our medical costs up. Screw them.

Yes. Let's not give illegals any medical care. Then they will simply give up and go home. What's that? They won't go home? They'll stay here, interact with society, and contract and spread communicable diseases for which we won't allow them medical treatment?

BRILLIANT!

Your a idiot.


You're both idiots.
 
2010-06-09 11:16:59 AM
Nationality should be of no concern to any doctor, anywhere. Furthermore doctors should be more concerned with the welfare of their client than the ability of the client to fatten up their wallet.

There's a lot of shoulds about doctors, but we don't seem to see much of that being true these days.
 
2010-06-09 11:17:15 AM
Scary tag? More like Unlikely.
 
2010-06-09 11:19:51 AM
ZAZ: Arizona has my permission to round up anti-anti-immigration protestors and do whatever it takes to stop their annoying complaints. I will waive my normal rule that Sheriff Joe does not belong anywhere outside of prison.

If a doctor treats an illegal immigrant, Restrepo said, "someone could advance the argument that they are shielding or concealing that person."

Are Arizona doctors not already mandatory reporters for a variety of crimes?


Exactly. Heal them up, turn them into the authorities. The sensationalist headline makes it sound like doctors are going to be prohibited from healing sick or injured brown people. FFS, they just have to report them as they would any other criminal offender. Big deal.
 
2010-06-09 11:41:22 AM
shamp: So when do we start shipping those European mutts back over the pond?



/Fricking foreigners!


Fight harder next time.
 
2010-06-09 11:45:07 AM
charkocu: ZAZ: Arizona has my permission to round up anti-anti-immigration protestors and do whatever it takes to stop their annoying complaints. I will waive my normal rule that Sheriff Joe does not belong anywhere outside of prison.

If a doctor treats an illegal immigrant, Restrepo said, "someone could advance the argument that they are shielding or concealing that person."

Are Arizona doctors not already mandatory reporters for a variety of crimes?

Exactly. Heal them up, turn them into the authorities. The sensationalist headline makes it sound like doctors are going to be prohibited from healing sick or injured brown people. FFS, they just have to report them as they would any other criminal offender. Big deal.


You shut your sensible whore mouth! I'll have no reasonable thoughts in this thread!
 
2010-06-09 12:06:13 PM
Philip Francis Queeg: Nest up: Arizona requires Doctors to give any suspected illegal immigrants who come for treatment a lethal injection. They are illegal (or at least look that way), therefore any action against them is fully justified.

I just posted that on DailyKOS along with some made up bullshiat legislative bill numbers. I expect this to be making the libbie/proggie rounds shortly.
 
2010-06-09 12:06:35 PM
I doubt this is true. However, if it was, we could solve the problem real quickly by requiring doctors to not treat ANYONE who can't show proof of legal US residency. And in keeping with Arizona law, this means that a driver's license does not count.

Start making all the old white ladies bring in their birth certificates every time they visit a doctor and I guarantee you that this law would disappear very quickly.

But again, I don't think that doctors are required to verify immigration status, and -- besides -- there are no illegal classes of patients for doctors. Doctors can treat anyone they deem needs treatment.
 
2010-06-09 12:07:46 PM
GaryPDX: Especially the Conservative doctors because liberals use the law only when it benefits them. Otherwise they ignore the Rule of Law.

Know how I know you belong on everybody's ignore list?
 
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