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(Some Guy)   Gamers have just as much heart and skill as professional athletes, according to Cheetos-stained study   (pcpro.co.uk) divider line 117
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2010-06-08 01:30:26 PM
believe it or not, it DOES take a level of skill to become good at some of these games.

now, is it worth spending all that time developing that skillset? that I can't answer.
 
2010-06-08 01:50:30 PM
Weaver95: believe it or not, it DOES take a level of skill to become good at some of these games.

now, is it worth spending all that time developing that skillset? that I can't answer.


How many people spend money to watch you play? I know MLG has a little bit of money, but they're not selling jerseys.
 
2010-06-08 01:54:10 PM
I wonder when we'll see the first gamer-related doping scandal.
 
2010-06-08 01:56:43 PM
Pocket Ninja: I wonder when we'll see the first gamer-related doping scandal.

Put Bawls on the banned substance list, and watch the breathless, doughy rioting in the streets!
 
2010-06-08 02:00:03 PM
UNC_Samurai: Weaver95: believe it or not, it DOES take a level of skill to become good at some of these games.

now, is it worth spending all that time developing that skillset? that I can't answer.

How many people spend money to watch you play? I know MLG has a little bit of money, but they're not selling jerseys.


some would argue that money corrupts the purity of sports.
 
2010-06-08 02:12:34 PM
Pocket Ninja: I wonder when we'll see the first gamer-related doping scandal.

OMFG AIMBOT HAX!
 
2010-06-08 02:12:54 PM
90% of video game skill is repetition. You stay up drunk/high/buzzed every night doing something over and over again, you can't help get good at it. Like jerking off.
 
2010-06-08 02:15:55 PM
Pocket Ninja: I wonder when we'll see the first gamer-related doping scandal.

I'm sure Ritalin is abused.
 
2010-06-08 02:17:55 PM
Adjective Bird Whiskey: 90% of video game skill is repetition. You stay up drunk/high/buzzed every night doing something over and over again, you can't help get good at it. Like jerking off.

Most skills are honed by repetition, that's how learning works, especially for muscles. Typing, speaking, sports, video games, ect ect.
 
2010-06-08 02:24:49 PM
Barakku: Adjective Bird Whiskey: 90% of video game skill is repetition. You stay up drunk/high/buzzed every night doing something over and over again, you can't help get good at it. Like jerking off.

Most skills are honed by repetition, that's how learning works, especially for muscles. Typing, speaking, sports, video games, ect ect.


Exactly, but athletes go beyond that in having physical ability. Anybody can learn to catch a ball well enough with practice, but could you outrun a guy, jump three feet in the air backwards with one hand, catch it, get piledrived by a beast of a human being and hold on? You could sit down any schmuck and have him play long enough to get good at Halo.
 
2010-06-08 02:28:19 PM
Adjective Bird Whiskey: You could sit down any schmuck and have him play long enough to get good at Halo.

I honestly doubt this. I think there are some people who will never excel. But that raises the question of whether Halo is a worthwhile skill in which to excel.

I don't know the answer to this.
 
2010-06-08 02:31:53 PM
GreenAdder: Adjective Bird Whiskey: You could sit down any schmuck and have him play long enough to get good at Halo.

I honestly doubt this. I think there are some people who will never excel. But that raises the question of whether Halo is a worthwhile skill in which to excel.

I don't know the answer to this.


Assuming it's an average human being with decent hand-eye coordination. Grandpa probably will never be a good Halo player. Anybody else, given enough time, could do it to some degree. If a twelve year old kid can headshot you then call you a queer on Xbox Live, it's not an exemplary achievement.
 
2010-06-08 02:41:29 PM
BKITU: Pocket Ninja: I wonder when we'll see the first gamer-related doping scandal.

Put Bawls on the banned substance list, and watch the breathless, doughy rioting in the streets!


[threadjack] G33k B33R is farking amazing. [/threadjack]
 
2010-06-08 03:21:12 PM
Just look at Kungen and the guys from Ensidia. That takes time and dedication on a level that I can't even imagine.
 
rmz
2010-06-08 03:21:58 PM
ITT people who believe that being paid millions of dollars due to years' worth of practicing sports (plus natural aptitude) is completely heroic whereas someone who wins tournaments in their spare time due to years' worth of practicing a fighting game (plus natural aptitude) is completely ridiculous
 
2010-06-08 03:27:22 PM
rmz: ITT people who believe that being paid millions of dollars due to years' worth of practicing sports (plus natural aptitude) is completely heroic whereas someone who wins tournaments in their spare time due to years' worth of practicing a fighting game (plus natural aptitude) is completely ridiculous

It's not ridiculous. If I could get paid for kicking somebody's ass in Street Fighter IV, I'd do it. I'm just saying you being really good at twitching your fingers faster in the correct order than the guy next to you doesn't make you an athlete.
 
2010-06-08 03:27:25 PM
I think my favorite thing about the sports vs video games (especially mmo's and fps's) are the people who are fans of sports making fun of gamers.

Them: "Oh, look my team won [enter important game here]! I'm so excited. You're a loser for not watching the game because you were playing video games."

Me: "When did you join [insert team here]? What did you do to help on that win?"

Them: "I got drunk at the bar and cheered them on."

Me: "Oh... Well my entertainment includes working with a team of real people doing something that I actually influence the outcome of. Oh, and the best of the best don't get paid more for a single game than I'll earn in a year."
 
rmz
2010-06-08 03:55:26 PM
It's not ridiculous. If I could get paid for kicking somebody's ass in Street Fighter IV, I'd do it. I'm just saying you being really good at twitching your fingers faster in the correct order than the guy next to you doesn't make you an athlete.

Oh, agreed, they're not "athletes." I'm just arguing against the idea that one is more of an "accomplishment" than the other (ignoring things like the money and celebrity of pro sports), or that one takes significantly more effor than the other. If you have to practice for thousands of hours to becomecthe best in the world at something, I think putting in the practice and dedication to become a Super Bowl MVP, chess grandmaster, juggling world champion, Tetris world champion, flair bartending world champion, or Marvel vs. Capcom 2 world champion are all genuine achievements. Some people seem to think that something is only a real achievement if you can get television coverage for it.
 
rmz
2010-06-08 03:56:20 PM
Sorry about the numerous typos, posting from my phone.
 
2010-06-08 04:40:10 PM
All I can say is:


Stop standing in the DnD that Lady Deathwhisper casts, and then blaming us heals for not doing our job. I'm sure you notice the green globs all around, so jump out of it and STFU.

/said my piece.
// healers have the most guts.
 
2010-06-08 04:40:23 PM
As someone who cleared twin rocks in 35.89 seconds last night, I endorse this message.
 
2010-06-08 04:41:27 PM
Pocket Ninja: I wonder when we'll see the first gamer-related doping scandal.

To be honest, I played a few rounds of MW2 after being given some vicodin for back pain and was completely ruling every match for some reason. It's like I was floating on this perfect little cloud of pwnage.
 
2010-06-08 04:41:31 PM
UNC_Samurai: Weaver95: believe it or not, it DOES take a level of skill to become good at some of these games.

now, is it worth spending all that time developing that skillset? that I can't answer.

How many people spend money to watch you play? I know MLG has a little bit of money, but they're not selling jerseys.


Exactly. The thing about MLG is, the product being sold is the sport itself. They don't sell jerseys they sell games. Also, it's much easier for impressionable people to idolize big strong physically fit people, since in most major sports that is a precondition. Gaming, on the other hand...

www.just-whatever.com

Not saying all gamers look like that, just that it is possible for a professional gamer to look like that. Kind of hard to idolize.
 
2010-06-08 04:44:31 PM
Adjective Bird Whiskey: Barakku: Adjective Bird Whiskey: 90% of video game skill is repetition. You stay up drunk/high/buzzed every night doing something over and over again, you can't help get good at it. Like jerking off.

Most skills are honed by repetition, that's how learning works, especially for muscles. Typing, speaking, sports, video games, ect ect.

Exactly, but athletes go beyond that in having physical ability. Anybody can learn to catch a ball well enough with practice, but could you outrun a guy, jump three feet in the air backwards with one hand, catch it, get piledrived by a beast of a human being and hold on? You could sit down any schmuck and have him play long enough to get good at Halo.


That's not true. I can guarantee you that even with years of practice I could decimate most people at any game. Different skillsets apply to either. Personally, I am not really impressed with people that are good at either of those. They are forms of entertainment turned into commercial revenue generating empires, it just so happens that sports make for a better spectator events on an average basis. I personally cannot stand to watch either as I find them boring. I played Football for close to 15 years and I have played video games all my life defying most stereotypes.

I'm not quite sure WHY they are putting in that much effort to turn games into spectator events. I just don't get people who watch Starcraft II games listening to some douche with a lisp narrate and talk about what they are doing. I can't even stand watching my brothers play games.

At the same time I don't understand how people get that much enjoyment out of watching sports. Playing either I get, just not watching them. I have to say that "professionals" in both fields are equally as annoying and have equally as many problems, albeit different.
 
2010-06-08 04:44:32 PM
larrimo: All I can say is:


Stop standing in the DnD that Lady Deathwhisper casts, and then blaming us heals for not doing our job. I'm sure you notice the green globs all around, so jump out of it and STFU.

/said my piece.
// healers have the most guts.


Having played as a "healer" on City of Heroes and City of Villains, all I can say is:

"WHY ARE YOU STANDING IN FIRE!! IT'S FIRE!!"
 
2010-06-08 04:45:50 PM
Lampmonster: larrimo: All I can say is:


Stop standing in the DnD that Lady Deathwhisper casts, and then blaming us heals for not doing our job. I'm sure you notice the green globs all around, so jump out of it and STFU.

/said my piece.
// healers have the most guts.

Having played as a "healer" on City of Heroes and City of Villains, all I can say is:

"WHY ARE YOU STANDING IN FIRE!! IT'S FIRE!!"


Lol exactly.
 
2010-06-08 04:52:06 PM
the money is in the banana stand: That's not true. I can guarantee you that even with years of practice I could decimate most people at any game. Different skillsets apply to either. Personally, I am not really impressed with people that are good at either of those. They are forms of entertainment turned into commercial revenue generating empires, it just so happens that sports make for a better spectator events on an average basis. I personally cannot stand to watch either as I find them boring. I played Football for close to 15 years and I have played video games all my life defying most stereotypes.

I'm not quite sure WHY they are putting in that much effort to turn games into spectator events. I just don't get people who watch Starcraft II games listening to some douche with a lisp narrate and talk about what they are doing. I can't even stand watching my brothers play games.

At the same time I don't understand how people get that much enjoyment out of watching sports. Playing either I get, just not watching them. I have to say that "professionals" in both fields are equally as annoying and have equally as many problems, albeit different.


I totally agree. The only games I could ever really watch are fighting games. Which is why Tougeki is really the only thing I would want to watch. There was that one show on G4 a few years back I recall where teams would face each other in different games, but the only ones I really liked was where they broke out KoF or something along those lines.

/blazblue, mbr and mbac, kof98, sf third strike
 
2010-06-08 04:56:07 PM
Yeah, try telling THAT to the ladies..

//sigh.
 
2010-06-08 04:57:03 PM
i play games for fun. even if i lose, i still generally had fun.

professional athletes don't seem to be having fun. they gripe and moan and throw tantrums and sometimes even cry when they lose.

*does the math*

well, that was easy.
 
2010-06-08 05:00:24 PM
If they get a free floating camera with some good direction and editing FPS on a big scale could be decent to watch. Decent mind you, not great. I'd never watch the Super Bowl of BF2.
 
2010-06-08 05:06:19 PM
Lampmonster: If they get a free floating camera with some good direction and editing FPS on a big scale could be decent to watch. Decent mind you, not great. I'd never watch the Super Bowl of BF2.

Honestly, I could see myself at least settling on it for a few minutes. Which incidentally is about all I would do for the Super Bowl if it weren't for the pagentary, the parties, and the multimillion dollar commercials...
 
2010-06-08 05:08:06 PM
Tickle Mittens: As someone who cleared twin rocks in 35.89 seconds last night, I endorse this message.

Cool story. Now get back to running Twin Rocks again and again and again and again and again and again and again....
 
2010-06-08 05:08:52 PM
ikapoz: Lampmonster: If they get a free floating camera with some good direction and editing FPS on a big scale could be decent to watch. Decent mind you, not great. I'd never watch the Super Bowl of BF2.

Honestly, I could see myself at least settling on it for a few minutes. Which incidentally is about all I would do for the Super Bowl if it weren't for the pagentary, the parties, and the multimillion dollar commercials...


You get the right announcers, the right people playing, and the right cameras and that would be epic.
 
2010-06-08 05:09:04 PM
I am a MMO player. I don't suck, but uber I am not. I just like to play, and don't take it 'that serious'.

However, I noticed a 'tire' around my waste, so I started exercising again. Nothing big, 20 min a day of cardio, and 40 of weight training every other day.

I found that once I started loosing weight, and such. My gaming got better. Then I remembered a saying my coach said.

"Beit Tidly-Winks, or football, exercise will make you better at it."
 
2010-06-08 05:09:13 PM
Genju:/blazblue, mbr and mbac, kof98, sf third strike

Gasp, another BlazBlue player on Fark! Hooray!
 
2010-06-08 05:09:30 PM
I don't think so, and I like both substantially. It's anonymity of the internet factor. Griefing does not exist in Pro Sports. When MLB pitchers start beaning every batter, then running over to tea bag them while yelling "Faggot!!", you can get back to me.
 
2010-06-08 05:10:42 PM
Pocket Ninja: I wonder when we'll see the first gamer-related doping scandal.

I got really stoned at a Soul Calibur tournament last year. I lost my first match straight, then won two after smoking, was coming down again for the fourth and lost.

/Drugs!
 
2010-06-08 05:12:49 PM
TedNigma: I am a MMO player. I don't suck, but uber I am not. I just like to play, and don't take it 'that serious'.

However, I noticed a 'tire' around my waste, so I started exercising again. Nothing big, 20 min a day of cardio, and 40 of weight training every other day.

I found that once I started loosing weight, and such. My gaming got better. Then I remembered a saying my coach said.

"Beit Tidly-Winks, or football, exercise will make you better at it."


It used to be that nobody thought you had to be in good shape to be good at golf. Then a couple guys came along who actually were in good shape. Now they almost all work out.
 
2010-06-08 05:13:05 PM
NaziKamikaze: When MLB pitchers start beaning every batter, then running over to tea bag them while yelling "Faggot!!", you can get back to me.

in all fairness, that *would* get me to watch more baseball on teevee ...

but i think it's the "professional" part that keeps them away, rather than the "sports" part. i'd wager that professional gaming (such as it is) doesn't have griefers, either.
 
2010-06-08 05:13:14 PM
skyotter: i play games for fun. even if i lose, i still generally had fun.

professional athletes don't seem to be having fun. they gripe and moan and throw tantrums and sometimes even cry when they lose.

*does the math*

well, that was easy.


Not to rain on your parade, but if you did either competitive activity for a living it would vastly change how you approached it.
 
2010-06-08 05:14:04 PM
Lampmonster: If they get a free floating camera with some good direction and editing FPS on a big scale could be decent to watch. Decent mind you, not great. I'd never watch the Super Bowl of BF2.

I can see it being possible on certain game types. Maybe control point capture for the concentrated action or search and destroy style for the intensity. TDM would probably be fairly boring to watch on most of the games that are popular now, considering half the players would be either camping or spamming explosives across the entire map.
 
2010-06-08 05:14:31 PM
If I could get a consistent paycheck playing games, would I do it?

No. Unless I had an actual office away from home to do so. Playing WoW or any online games with children running around is nigh impossible.

M:TG on the other hand... I got close to trying that circuit way before I had kids.
 
2010-06-08 05:16:34 PM
skyotter: NaziKamikaze: When MLB pitchers start beaning every batter, then running over to tea bag them while yelling "Faggot!!", you can get back to me.

in all fairness, that *would* get me to watch more baseball on teevee ...

but i think it's the "professional" part that keeps them away, rather than the "sports" part. i'd wager that professional gaming (such as it is) doesn't have griefers, either.


Good point on both statements. I agree. But it just said gamers so I took it from my perspective - but even then I doubt even rec leagues see the amount of griefing that gamers do.
 
2010-06-08 05:17:29 PM
larrimo: All I can say is:


Stop standing in the DnD that Lady Deathwhisper casts, and then blaming us heals for not doing our job. I'm sure you notice the green globs all around, so jump out of it and STFU.

/said my piece.
// healers have the most guts.


Bah,
You should know that the avoiding the Ghosts during phase2 of the H Lady D fight are what healers care the most about. I've never heard so much nerdrage after wiping at 1% because melee didn't move away fast enough.
 
2010-06-08 05:18:12 PM
By the way, what is with the insistence on comparing the two? They are apples and oranges. Yes you can be much better at activities by working at them. That doesn't make gamers athletes any more than it makes them chefs. Anyone that denies gamers are dedicated to their chosen activity is an idiot. I'm not sure about the rest of the headline, but maybe the sedentary lifestyle explains the enlarged heart?
 
2010-06-08 05:18:45 PM
PaulieVegas: I can see it being possible on certain game types. Maybe control point capture for the concentrated action or search and destroy style for the intensity. TDM would probably be fairly boring to watch on most of the games that are popular now, considering half the players would be either camping or spamming explosives across the entire map.

G4 (back when it was about games and not a Spike ripoff) had a show called Arena that was basically this.

That show was a blast to watch. I remember they had a bunch of young military types on there playing Mechwarrior 4 against the current champions.

The strategizing on the fly and watching a team work together like that was absolutely fascinating.
 
2010-06-08 05:24:21 PM
Lampmonster: If they get a free floating camera with some good direction and editing FPS on a big scale could be decent to watch. Decent mind you, not great. I'd never watch the Super Bowl of BF2.

One could pretty easily direct a watchable version of most first person shooters with the ability to use a combination of a free floating camera and the ability to cut to an individual's point of view. You could probably even automate the "director" of such, making it go to the more "exciting" portions of the match. There are some half-hearted attempts at this (many Valve games have something called "SourceTV" that functions like this).

If the people involved were good (highly likely), I'd watch it. Hell, I watch farking poker on TV, which is similiar (it's a "sport" without any athletic ability required).
 
2010-06-08 05:27:59 PM
benlonghair:
I think my favorite thing about the sports vs video games (especially mmo's and fps's) are the people who are fans of sports making fun of gamers.

Really? You don't see the difference is watching a real sport over a make-believe sport?

Video games. Aren't. Real.
 
2010-06-08 05:28:24 PM
there's a neat little FPS for WiiWare called Water Warfare. if you're joining an online match in process, or you get eliminated before the match ends, you get to wander around as a disembodied POV; same controls and movement as the character, but you can't interact with anything or anyone. it'll even show teams, score, time left, etc.

i wish more games had that.
 
2010-06-08 05:30:01 PM
Geotpf: Lampmonster: If they get a free floating camera with some good direction and editing FPS on a big scale could be decent to watch. Decent mind you, not great. I'd never watch the Super Bowl of BF2.

One could pretty easily direct a watchable version of most first person shooters with the ability to use a combination of a free floating camera and the ability to cut to an individual's point of view. You could probably even automate the "director" of such, making it go to the more "exciting" portions of the match. There are some half-hearted attempts at this (many Valve games have something called "SourceTV" that functions like this).

If the people involved were good (highly likely), I'd watch it. Hell, I watch farking poker on TV, which is similiar (it's a "sport" without any athletic ability required).


I watch a lot of poker, but then I'm a semi serious player. I think it would be the same with games. Nobody that doesn't play to some extent would be interested. But yeah, the direction would be everything. I don't want to watch some guy camping in a house, firing out of a window I can't see through while there is a battle going on down the road. Plus replay would be important for when somebody launched a 203 through a window 200 yards away and took out a whole squad.
 
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