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2010-06-07 01:09:41 PM  
Two minutes, because everyone can resign.
 
2010-06-07 01:24:14 PM  
the only winning move is not to play.
 
2010-06-07 01:24:57 PM  
Second, when you land on an unowned property, "none" isn't a realistic action. If the player who lands on a property chooses to not buy it, the property goes up for auction (if, of course, you're playing by the rules).

Huh, never knew that o_o

Then again, we always played Monopoly the fun way. $500 for free parking, none of that mortgage/auction crap, no weird rules about how you have to have all the color properties to buy houses (or some such crap). Oh those were the days.
 
2010-06-07 01:29:47 PM  
Probably the one where you steal the car token before I can get it and to retaliate I upend the board, card stacks, and moneypiles all over the table before storming out of the room.
 
2010-06-07 01:45:26 PM  
Does ANYONE play with the auction rules at home?
 
2010-06-07 01:49:13 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Probably the one where you steal the car token before I can get it and to retaliate I upend the board, card stacks, and moneypiles all over the table before storming out of the room.


i lol'd.

/because I've seen this happen
 
2010-06-07 01:54:02 PM  

4chan Ambassador: Second, when you land on an unowned property, "none" isn't a realistic action. If the player who lands on a property chooses to not buy it, the property goes up for auction (if, of course, you're playing by the rules).


the first player refuses to buy anything. the second player buys everything he lands on. the outcome is identical.
(mortaging his property for half value does not prevent him from still going bankrupt
 
2010-06-07 01:54:39 PM  

Barakku: Does ANYONE play with the auction rules at home?


um, everyone who can read play by all the rules.
/and hell yes we auction shiat off
 
2010-06-07 02:03:04 PM  
This is actually super cool.

Someone smarter than I should calculate the astronomical odds of this actually happening.
 
2010-06-07 02:06:34 PM  
For me, "the fun way" is in accordance with the actual rules. I'm not a controlly anal rule freak -- but the rules make for a very strategic game. They work very well together.

The two most important rules are 1) that there are a specific number of houses available and no more, 2) that you MUST build four houses on a property before you can build a hotel. If there are not enough houses to put four on each property (due to the even-build rule), then you cannot build hotels, period.

So, when one player controls enough houses to prevent others from building hotels, that player has a "monopoly" on the housing market -- which is where the game gets its name. All players should be trying to achieve this.

Free cash in free parking is only slightly less annoying. I use it as a trading chip to get players to agree to the first two things.

Also, the instant you decide to count your assets for income tax, you have to pay whatever it comes out to, even if it's more than $150.

Houses/hotels sell for 1/2 price. Unmortgaging a property carries a 10% penalty. These two rules *protect* weaker players from aggressive play by more experienced players, but its always the weaker players who say "awww those rules sux"

Also, in the case of a bidding war on unowned property that 4chan ambassador mentioned, the bidding starts at the mortgage value. A player may choose not to buy the property, putting it up for auction, then bid on it at a price lower than face value. Useful when your opponents are cash-strapped and unlikely to bid aggressively.

I had a 50th anniversary edition that came with a rulebook supplement that specifically addressed all the non-rules (like Free Parking, etc) and explained in strategic terms why the original rule should be followed.
 
2010-06-07 02:06:59 PM  

namatad: um, everyone who can read play by all the rules.


Monopoly is probably one of the games LEAST played strictly by official rules.
 
2010-06-07 02:07:03 PM  
Yeah, we have a lot of house rules in our games.

First time around the board, no one can buy anything.

No auctions when landing on unowned properties.

Free parking nets you the pot, which is both $500 and all fees paid to "the bank" (Chance / Community Chest, Luxury and Income Taxes, Bail, but not property purchase or construction).
 
2010-06-07 02:11:00 PM  

fnorgby: So, when one player controls enough houses to prevent others from building hotels, that player has a "monopoly" on the housing market -- which is where the game gets its name. All players should be trying to achieve this.


This is not where the game gets its name.
 
2010-06-07 02:12:40 PM  

Relatively Obscure:
Monopoly is probably one of the games LEAST played strictly by official rules.


Agreed. Normally there are children playing and trying to get them to follow the rules of Monopoly... good luck
 
2010-06-07 02:14:45 PM  

Relatively Obscure: fnorgby: So, when one player controls enough houses to prevent others from building hotels, that player has a "monopoly" on the housing market -- which is where the game gets its name. All players should be trying to achieve this.

This is not where the game gets its name.


Sure it is
 
2010-06-07 02:18:21 PM  

fly_gal: Relatively Obscure: fnorgby: So, when one player controls enough houses to prevent others from building hotels, that player has a "monopoly" on the housing market -- which is where the game gets its name. All players should be trying to achieve this.

This is not where the game gets its name.

Sure it is


No it's not (new window)

/Can wikipedia too
 
2010-06-07 02:20:26 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Probably the one where you steal the car token before I can get it and to retaliate I upend the board, card stacks, and moneypiles all over the table before storming out of the room.


I admit it - I'm ROTFLing right now.
 
2010-06-07 02:26:15 PM  

Relatively Obscure: namatad: um, everyone who can read play by all the rules.

Monopoly is probably one of the games LEAST played strictly by official rules.


hahahahahah no kidding
what REALLLY funny is when different GROUPS get together and try to play.
no one has ANY idea what the rules are.

"you do WHAT with free parking???"
"WTF you cant buy hotels UNLESS there are HOUSES to buy first!!"

/god I spent too much time tying up the house market
 
2010-06-07 02:35:26 PM  

DannyJunior: This is actually super cool.

Someone smarter than I should calculate the astronomical odds of this actually happening.


actually the odds are pretty easy to calc

( 1/36 * 1/36 * 4/36 ) *
( 1/36 * 2/36 ) *
( 1/36 * 1/36 * 3/36) *
( 6/36)

144/101,559,956,668,416
or 1 - 705,277,476,864

so, never gonna happen
(never being defined as not without cheating)
(see age of the universe and all that)

/ 50% chance of a typo during math
 
2010-06-07 02:36:52 PM  
The greatest game of Monopoly I ever played was one epic long night playing with 11 other people. There were so many of us we ran out of playing pieces, and so one of us was playing as a tortilla chip, and one was a crumpled ball of paper. We played as close to the rules as we could get. I think the one thing we fudged a little was the Free Parking rule, the same variant that LOTS of people played by. It also quickly became clear that some people were getting the shiat-end-of-the-stick as far as landing on spaces, so deals and partnerships were brokered, or those people were quickly eliminated. It became an interesting network of shady deals and immunities and kickbacks for those that could negotiate. Basically just like any real-life real estate market. For example, if Person A had two of the Green properties, and Person B had one, but neither one had enough clout, money, or other properties to make a deal work, they could join forces and so both were co-owners of that section. They would split all rents and costs and mortgage value. Basically a limited partnership. Also, sometimes entry into one of these deals could be accepted in lieu of payment. For example, Person C lands on Person D's property and can't pay, BUT person C has Boardwalk and Park Place, Person D can say I'll forget you owe me money, but now we're partners.

Anyway, CSB, I know. The game lasted FOREVER. I think it took maybe ten hours start to finish, but it was the most fun I ever had playing Monopoly.
 
2010-06-07 02:50:53 PM  
Well, my only source for the provenance of the name came from the rule supplement in the 50th anniversary edition. It specifically stated as much, but my memory could be faulty or it could have been wrong.

Still, it's the only "monopoly" of anything that's available in the game, so it always had the ring of truth behind it. YMMV.
 
2010-06-07 02:59:08 PM  

fnorgby: Still, it's the only "monopoly" of anything that's available in the game


I see what you're saying. But what about owning all the RRs, or both the utilities? You get a bonus for those 'monopolies'.
 
2010-06-07 03:05:30 PM  

fnorgby: So, when one player controls enough houses to prevent others from building hotels, that player has a "monopoly" on the housing market -- which is where the game gets its name. All players should be trying to achieve this.


Wait, so by your rules, you can't instantly pony up the cash for five houses on each property and put up hotels, just because there are no houses available?

Let's never play Monopoly together. It will turn in to a fistfight.
 
2010-06-07 03:08:09 PM  
But your owning of them doesn't create a strategic advantage that's central to winning the game. Cornering the housing market forces the other players to pretty much gang up on you to break your "monopoly" so they can develop their properties, which in turn creates a kind of "prisoners' dilemma" for your opponents.

Which in turn points to another often-overlooked but critical rule: It does not have to be your turn for you to initiate a trade or an action. The person whose turn it is gets the benefit of trading first, but at any time I can say "Hold on, mr. turn-guy. I'm putting more houses on boardwalk and mortgaging the greens to do it. Better not roll a six :D Have a nice day."
 
2010-06-07 03:09:28 PM  
Penguin: Not *my* rules. The rules printed in the rulebook. You don't have to wait a turn between transactions, but there must be 12 houses available to go from barren to hotels on a three-property group, or you can't do it.

Not my rule.
 
2010-06-07 03:10:11 PM  

Relatively Obscure: fly_gal: Relatively Obscure: fnorgby: So, when one player controls enough houses to prevent others from building hotels, that player has a "monopoly" on the housing market -- which is where the game gets its name. All players should be trying to achieve this.

This is not where the game gets its name.

Sure it is

No it's not (new window)

/Can wikipedia too


Ok, so I just read that entire page and I can't see anything that states how Darrow came up with the name.
 
2010-06-07 03:55:16 PM  
What do y'all do when the bank runs out of money? Do you allow the bank to print moar? Because we do - that's why our games never end.
 
2010-06-07 04:05:55 PM  

fnorgby: Penguin: Not *my* rules. The rules printed in the rulebook. You don't have to wait a turn between transactions, but there must be 12 houses available to go from barren to hotels on a three-property group, or you can't do it.

Not my rule.


After examining the rules, it seems you are technically correct. But I hope you're also following the next rule, where if there is a shortage of houses and more than one player wants them they must be auctioned off to the highest bidder. Otherwise I suspect one of your friends is going to stab you over this at some point.
 
2010-06-07 04:20:48 PM  

PenguinTheRed: After examining the rules, it seems you are technically correct. But I hope you're also following the next rule, where if there is a shortage of houses and more than one player wants them they must be auctioned off to the highest bidder. Otherwise I suspect one of your friends is going to stab you over this at some point.


I would only buy hotels, when I would be able to buy those houses RIGHT back before anyone else could get to them.
 
2010-06-07 04:33:40 PM  

DannyJunior: This is actually super cool.

Someone smarter than I should calculate the astronomical odds of this actually happening.


Each dice roll must be exact (1/12 chance per roll.) cards involved, chance and CC, wach 1/16.
so I'd guesttimate (1/12)^9*(1/16)^2 = iono do the friggin math.
 
2010-06-07 04:35:14 PM  

namatad: PenguinTheRed: After examining the rules, it seems you are technically correct. But I hope you're also following the next rule, where if there is a shortage of houses and more than one player wants them they must be auctioned off to the highest bidder. Otherwise I suspect one of your friends is going to stab you over this at some point.

I would only buy hotels, when I would be able to buy those houses RIGHT back before anyone else could get to them.


Exactly, it's the key to winning, and as Penguin states, if you haven't clarified this before the game starts it can lead to a lot of flying pieces, cash and cards.

/ community chest. hey! hey!
// boobies for all!
 
2010-06-07 04:36:02 PM  
Penguin: Yes. If there are only 12 houses left, and you want to fill up your newly acquired color group, someone can let you buy 11 houses and then contest your purchase of the 12th. They have to have an available spot where they can legally build, though.
 
2010-06-07 04:39:25 PM  
I was going to point out that the guys in the video were way too excited about staging their little play, but I seem to have wandered into a nerdslapping fight.
 
2010-06-07 04:40:05 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: DannyJunior: This is actually super cool.

Someone smarter than I should calculate the astronomical odds of this actually happening.

Each dice roll must be exact (1/12 chance per roll.) cards involved, chance and CC, wach 1/16.
so I'd guesttimate (1/12)^9*(1/16)^2 = iono do the friggin math.


At one point he rolls a nine, which can be done with a (6,3), (4,5), (5,4),(6,3). So its slightly higher than that, but still extremely unlikely.

Who plays two player monopoly, anyways?
 
2010-06-07 04:42:39 PM  
Auctions on all properties not purchased and the bids start at the first price given. That means people can bid $1 and get a property if no one contests it. In fact, A lot of properties in games I played were passed on to force two opponents into a bidding war because whoever lost would surely not trade the remaining property to the other out of spite. Despite what people think a properly played game of monopoly by people who know the rules can be done in about 30-45 minutes on average provided there are no impossible trades that need to be made like someone requesting the oranges for anything other than an amount that would cripple them is basically considered a waste of time of the other players seeing as they are the most landed on and most powerful properties in game.

And all the house rules just make the game go on forever and ruin all balance, similar to many other games with house rules like spades, they rarely serve to better the game, only meant for when kids play.
 
2010-06-07 04:42:42 PM  
The comments section actually just made it shorter:

Player 1 rolls double 4s-landing on Vermont-declines to buy and auctioning begins. Since you can bid on a property you declined to buy, the auctioning continues and Player 1 ends up buying Vermont for $1500. Then the second roll based on doubles is a 4-5, community chest and its any card where you have to pay. Player 1 is bankrupt and Player 2 never even had a turn!"
 
2010-06-07 04:45:00 PM  

Devil Rays FTW: Uchiha_Cycliste: DannyJunior: This is actually super cool.

Someone smarter than I should calculate the astronomical odds of this actually happening.

Each dice roll must be exact (1/12 chance per roll.) cards involved, chance and CC, wach 1/16.
so I'd guesttimate (1/12)^9*(1/16)^2 = iono do the friggin math.

At one point he rolls a nine, which can be done with a (6,3), (4,5), (5,4),(6,3). So its slightly higher than that, but still extremely unlikely.

Who plays two player monopoly, anyways?


Damnit, I missed that. thanks.
ok revised math time:
1/12 x 1/12 x 4/12 x 1/12 x 2/12 x 1/12x 1/12 x 3/12 x 6/12 x (1/16)^2, assuming all players make said moves.
 
2010-06-07 04:45:49 PM  
monopoly rant:

The only house rule I play with is all "tax" proceeds: luxury tax, income tax, chance/cc cards goes to the free parking fund. Otherwise stick to the farking rules. I HATE playing with my girlfriend and her friends because they try pulling all that brokering favors and immunities crap (actually, last I heard I'm banned from playing with them now.) The point of the game is to use shewdness and cut-throat tactics to drive your opponents into the ground. You're damn right I'll mortgage every last one of my properties to buy Boardwalk and then hold it ransom until the highest bidder can pony up the cash for me to put hotels on my mortgaged monopolies. When people start granting immunities or accepting partial rent payments it ruins the game.

/end rant
 
2010-06-07 04:46:31 PM  
This is great, I never have to play this godamned game again. If it can't be perfect, it can't be done!
 
2010-06-07 04:46:45 PM  
There are two kinds of Monopoly:

A) Serious Monopoly: Play by the rules, with people who care, and usually finish in a reasonable amount of time, but possibly call a truce. Good times had by all.
B) shiat-Show Monopoly: Perpetual bank stealing and shady deals. Usually a couple people get so rich off $500 from free parking that the game never ends so someone flips the board and everyone laughs, except the guy in first place who whines like a biatch. Good times had by all.

Of course, all I care about is getting $10 for winning the beauty contest and making fun of all the uglies. Fark yeah!
 
2010-06-07 04:48:14 PM  

StrangeQ: monopoly rant:

The only house rule I play with is all "tax" proceeds: luxury tax, income tax, chance/cc cards goes to the free parking fund. Otherwise stick to the farking rules. I HATE playing with my girlfriend and her friends because they try pulling all that brokering favors and immunities crap (actually, last I heard I'm banned from playing with them now.) The point of the game is to use shewdness and cut-throat tactics to drive your opponents into the ground. You're damn right I'll mortgage every last one of my properties to buy Boardwalk and then hold it ransom until the highest bidder can pony up the cash for me to put hotels on my mortgaged monopolies. When people start granting immunities or accepting partial rent payments it ruins the game.

/end rant


You should work on the whole "favors" angle with the girlfriend and her friends. You know what I'm getting at.

"You can pay half rent, but the rest of the game is TOPLESS"
 
2010-06-07 04:48:54 PM  
no free parking
 
2010-06-07 04:48:55 PM  
No no no. The shortest game of Monopoly is actually much more like the real world than the game ever was.

First both players raise their capital from clueless investors and start the game.

Then before anyone has actually made a move, Player 1 gives all of his money to Player 2 for nothing, in exchange for a position on the Board of Directors of Player 2's company.

Now all the clueless investors had better hope Player 2 knows what he's doing......
 
2010-06-07 04:49:10 PM  
21 seconds!

Roll a die and see how long it takes to stop on average. You just wouldn't have time to roll the dice that many times.
 
2010-06-07 04:50:06 PM  

Tinderlock: 21 seconds!

Roll a die and see how long it takes to stop on average. You just wouldn't have time to roll the dice that many times.


You can do the dice rolling in a cup and they stop pretty much instantly when you slam it on the table.
 
2010-06-07 04:51:44 PM  

Treygreen13: Tinderlock: 21 seconds!

Roll a die and see how long it takes to stop on average. You just wouldn't have time to roll the dice that many times.

You can do the dice rolling in a cup and they stop pretty much instantly when you slam it on the table.


Also consider that counting isn't really involved. you get your numbers you know where you are landing.
 
2010-06-07 04:52:52 PM  
eh, the Monopoly game on Mario Party 8 is way cooler.

/Daisy is a biatch when it comes to stealing properties though. Errgh
//Would still hit that.
 
2010-06-07 04:56:42 PM  

4chan Ambassador: no weird rules about how you have to have all the color properties to buy houses (or some such crap)


Of all the things you mentioned, this seems to rip the game right out of itself. I'll admit that given an appropriately stubborn set of opponents (who won't sell you the last semi-high-end color card you need at any price less than "give me everything you have") that rule can be obnoxious. I'm not sure what the point of playing without those rules would be though -- basically everyone is just rolling dice and hoping not to land on someone else's square made ever more random because no one can get a nice 3 of 4 swath.
 
2010-06-07 04:57:24 PM  

Treygreen13: Tinderlock: 21 seconds!

Roll a die and see how long it takes to stop on average. You just wouldn't have time to roll the dice that many times.

You can do the dice rolling in a cup and they stop pretty much instantly when you slam it on the table.


Agreed.

/Not the sort of thing I would normally miss. I'm going to the doctor tomorrow.
//I mean it.
 
2010-06-07 05:00:25 PM  

GoodyearPimp: 4chan Ambassador: no weird rules about how you have to have all the color properties to buy houses (or some such crap)

Of all the things you mentioned, this seems to rip the game right out of itself. I'll admit that given an appropriately stubborn set of opponents (who won't sell you the last semi-high-end color card you need at any price less than "give me everything you have") that rule can be obnoxious. I'm not sure what the point of playing without those rules would be though -- basically everyone is just rolling dice and hoping not to land on someone else's square made ever more random because no one can get a nice 3 of 4 swath.


Just wait until somebody figures out that they can sit in Jail for three turns and "hope to roll doubles", thus decreasing their chance of landing on a space with rent... all the while being completely capable of purchasing/selling.
 
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