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(Minneapolis Star Tribune)   Ted Haggard once again looking to comfort Colorado Springs with his rod and his staff   (startribune.com) divider line 90
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2010-06-02 09:19:24 PM
Ewe
 
2010-06-02 09:21:04 PM
The rare self-hating gay evangelist.

How may dicks have you sucked, Ted?
 
2010-06-02 09:21:53 PM
All of those lies and self-delusion must be exhausting for him on a level I can't even comprehend.

I am certainly not as strong as him; in his position I would had probably blown my brains out when I was 18.
 
2010-06-02 09:22:15 PM
Could you say...

*puts on sunglasses*

...he looks a little Haggard?
 
2010-06-02 09:22:22 PM
"Earth is not heaven. And here on Earth, sexuality is very complex and very confusing," he said.

Wow. That's a bit surprising.
 
2010-06-02 09:25:11 PM
He's a severely closeted bisexual- I almost feel sorry for him.
 
2010-06-02 09:26:10 PM
Thenixon: "Earth is not heaven. And here on Earth, sexuality is very complex and very confusing....

Belinda Carlisle Thread

roomp3.com
 
2010-06-02 09:26:29 PM
Did anyone else notice the headline over on the right?

Sisterhood ends where it began for 2 merging nuns

O_o
 
2010-06-02 09:26:45 PM
Spare the rod, and Rod probably won't call you back.
 
2010-06-02 09:27:41 PM
When pastors start straying from Bible teaching and into the gray area of sermonizing on their favorite subjects (see: WBC, Prosperity Gospel, etc) they are forsaking their God and believing themselves to be the arbiter of right and wrong. They lay the judgment at God's feet, but they themselves carry out the condemnation.

Haggard has gone through a lot and hopefully he has learned a lot through his suffering. If a church can be a sanctuary for people who are hurting, then it serves its purpose well. If it turns into a circus in a stadium, it only serves to line the pockets of the investors.

I'm willing to give Haggard another chance because his being gay or not doesn't affect me in the least. What is important is whether his ministry turns people into better people or not. How people treat others is the measure of how good they are.
 
2010-06-02 09:27:56 PM
Byno: Thenixon: "Earth is not heaven. And here on Earth, sexuality is very complex and very confusing....

Belinda Carlisle Thread


Well, this thread took an interesting turn.
 
2010-06-02 09:28:37 PM
I, for one, look forward to the return of Ted "Tushy Pusher" Haggard.
 
2010-06-02 09:30:18 PM
I'm just amazed that he was able to get on TV in the god game in the first place. He looks like such a sex offender.
 
2010-06-02 09:30:23 PM
Ugh. The only thing worse than an evangelical tard is a self-loathing, gay evangelical tard.

Dude, stop torturing yourself. Be who you are and be proud of it.
 
2010-06-02 09:31:34 PM
So are we forming a pool on how long it will take him to be caught with a male prostitute?

Nice troll there, BTW, BadAnalogyGuy. 8/10
 
2010-06-02 09:31:46 PM
BadAnalogyGuy: When pastors start straying from Bible teaching and into the gray area of sermonizing on their favorite subjects (see: WBC, Prosperity Gospel, etc) they are forsaking their God and believing themselves to be the arbiter of right and wrong. They lay the judgment at God's feet, but they themselves carry out the condemnation.

Haggard has gone through a lot and hopefully he has learned a lot through his suffering. If a church can be a sanctuary for people who are hurting, then it serves its purpose well. If it turns into a circus in a stadium, it only serves to line the pockets of the investors.

I'm willing to give Haggard another chance because his being gay or not doesn't affect me in the least. What is important is whether his ministry turns people into better people or not. How people treat others is the measure of how good they are.


You just couldn't help yourself, could you? And the worst thing is, you will get some bites.
 
2010-06-02 09:33:46 PM
Pfffffttttttt lolololol

You can't pray the gay away Ted, ya just can't. You'd be better off accepting your sexuality and starting a gay friendly church that volunteers to change the street lights in this godforsaken city.

by godforsaken I mean full of evangelical libertarians who are turning this place into a white Gary, IN. Roads pitted like the surface of the moon. Homeless guys with nowhere to go because social services have been slashed but the good townspeople won't let them live by the creeks.

Has anyone noticed the crime vibe increasing lately? I moved out here not long ago from a large city and my Spidey Sense calmed down quite a bit, but lately it's been tingling again. And no that's not a good tingling.
 
2010-06-02 09:34:53 PM
Sorry you are not forgiven.

Do not pass go. Go directly to hell.
 
2010-06-02 09:35:48 PM
I don't know who this Ted Haggard is, but form the comments, I guess he

Forgot
About
God
 
2010-06-02 09:38:15 PM
I can think of no stronger argument against the existence of god than the likes of Ted Haggard, Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Bakker, George Rekers, and a cast of thousands (new window)
 
2010-06-02 09:41:48 PM
But he said heterosexual marriage was just one ideal in a long list of things God wants people to do...

And how does he know what God wants people to do?
 
2010-06-02 09:42:46 PM
FTFA "I don't know what goes on with the homosexual and what makes a homosexual a homosexual. I don't know dynamics there and I don't judge it," he said.

Look in the mirror sometime.

/colorado springs actually has a rather large out gay community
 
2010-06-02 09:43:16 PM
storage.people.com

"Earth is not heaven. And here on Earth, sexuality is very complex and very confusing," Ted Haggard
 
2010-06-02 09:43:28 PM
Whatever. I know why folks get so down on this guy, but jesus christ, does anyone have this shiat figured out?

I can't fault the guy for getting back up there and trying again. in his mind (and I'm neither saying he's right or wrong), his actions, behaviors and impulses led him to sin. And everyone has impulses for all manner of bad things. Maybe just as the guy had an impulse for gay sex, some other folks have impulses for stealing.

Of course, I don't necessarily subscribe to that. The militantly gay on this thread will see the guy as a guy who hates homosexuals, but in reality, many men of the cloth don't hate anyone, even the most horrendous of sinners, and will constantly reach out to people like that.

Why do you think you find the clergy in jails, in horrible living conditions, and in the worst places in the world? because that's where the sin is, and that's where their work is most needed.

SO, the next person who steps up to bash Haggard for intolerance, remember what JC said, about casting the first stone.

/my $0.02
 
2010-06-02 09:43:36 PM
lawl... subby bout made me inhale beer.
 
2010-06-02 09:45:02 PM
Close2TheEdge: Ugh. The only thing worse than an evangelical tard is a self-loathing, gay evangelical tard.

Dude, stop torturing yourself. Be who you are and be proud of it.


If you listen to him, he isn't necessarily self-loathing, or even "gay" in the traditional sense.

Some of us are bi.

I am attracted to men, and identified as straight for most of my life. In every fantasy I ever had, in all the porn I watched - I empathized with the women, and figured that I would be with a man the rest of my life.

Then I fell in love with my significant other, soon to be my Spouse. She's an amazing girl, and hit me like a ton of bricks. So, I suppose I'm technically "bi", even if I don't feel like it.

It's entirely possible to be physically attracted to both men and women, or even primarily men, but not be capable of emotional bonding with them. After listening to him, and his wife - I believe that they both love each other very much. I also believe him when he says that he still has fantasies about men.

That would make him a (mostly) straight man, who has some attraction towards people of the same sex. He would technically be "bi", but that doesn't mean he identifies that way, or even that he has any desire for a long term relationship, or any emotional attachment. Prostitutes give you a "no strings attached" kind of business transaction - it sounds like he used them to satiate an urge his wife could not fill. It doesn't mean that there is love, that he hates himself, or that he doesn't find his wife sexually attractive.
 
2010-06-02 09:46:09 PM
thalidomide new and improved: Whatever. I know why folks get so down on this guy, but jesus christ, does anyone have this shiat figured out?

I'm 99% certain I'm not gay. Him not so much.

SO, the next person who steps up to bash Haggard for intolerance, remember what JC said, about casting the first stone.

I don't really care what he does. I care that he's out there actively campaigning to deny other people their rights while engaging in the same behavior.

In short: I don't dislike that he hates that he's gay. I dislike that he wants to tell other people to hate that they're gay.
 
2010-06-02 09:49:34 PM
thalidomide new and improved: Whatever. I know why folks get so down on this guy, but jesus christ, does anyone have this shiat figured out?

I can't fault the guy for getting back up there and trying again.


He is a lying hypocrite.
 
2010-06-02 09:50:07 PM
Kathrin: If you listen to him, he isn't necessarily self-loathing, or even "gay" in the traditional sense.

What is a "traditional" gay?

/waiting with bells on for the answer
 
2010-06-02 09:55:06 PM
Close2TheEdge: BadAnalogyGuy: When pastors start straying from Bible teaching and into the gray area of sermonizing on their favorite subjects (see: WBC, Prosperity Gospel, etc) they are forsaking their God and believing themselves to be the arbiter of right and wrong. They lay the judgment at God's feet, but they themselves carry out the condemnation.

Haggard has gone through a lot and hopefully he has learned a lot through his suffering. If a church can be a sanctuary for people who are hurting, then it serves its purpose well. If it turns into a circus in a stadium, it only serves to line the pockets of the investors.

I'm willing to give Haggard another chance because his being gay or not doesn't affect me in the least. What is important is whether his ministry turns people into better people or not. How people treat others is the measure of how good they are.

You just couldn't help yourself, could you? And the worst thing is, you will get some bites.


Fully aware this is the wrong place to be positive or upbeat, much less not shred someone for showing a little faith, but I think BadAnalogyGuy wrote some nice things there.
 
2010-06-02 09:56:26 PM
Why do I have this in my photobucket?
i21.photobucket.com
 
2010-06-02 09:59:52 PM
KrispyKritter: Close2TheEdge: BadAnalogyGuy: When pastors start straying from Bible teaching and into the gray area of sermonizing on their favorite subjects (see: WBC, Prosperity Gospel, etc) they are forsaking their God and believing themselves to be the arbiter of right and wrong. They lay the judgment at God's feet, but they themselves carry out the condemnation.

Haggard has gone through a lot and hopefully he has learned a lot through his suffering. If a church can be a sanctuary for people who are hurting, then it serves its purpose well. If it turns into a circus in a stadium, it only serves to line the pockets of the investors.

I'm willing to give Haggard another chance because his being gay or not doesn't affect me in the least. What is important is whether his ministry turns people into better people or not. How people treat others is the measure of how good they are.

You just couldn't help yourself, could you? And the worst thing is, you will get some bites.

Fully aware this is the wrong place to be positive or upbeat, much less not shred someone for showing a little faith, but I think BadAnalogyGuy wrote some nice things there.


You understand that you are being played, right? Or are you new here?
 
2010-06-02 10:02:28 PM
Kathrin: Close2TheEdge: Ugh. The only thing worse than an evangelical tard is a self-loathing, gay evangelical tard.

Dude, stop torturing yourself. Be who you are and be proud of it.

If you listen to him, he isn't necessarily self-loathing, or even "gay" in the traditional sense.

Some of us are bi.

I am attracted to men, and identified as straight for most of my life. In every fantasy I ever had, in all the porn I watched - I empathized with the women, and figured that I would be with a man the rest of my life.

Then I fell in love with my significant other, soon to be my Spouse. She's an amazing girl, and hit me like a ton of bricks. So, I suppose I'm technically "bi", even if I don't feel like it.

It's entirely possible to be physically attracted to both men and women, or even primarily men, but not be capable of emotional bonding with them. After listening to him, and his wife - I believe that they both love each other very much. I also believe him when he says that he still has fantasies about men.

That would make him a (mostly) straight man, who has some attraction towards people of the same sex. He would technically be "bi", but that doesn't mean he identifies that way, or even that he has any desire for a long term relationship, or any emotional attachment. Prostitutes give you a "no strings attached" kind of business transaction - it sounds like he used them to satiate an urge his wife could not fill. It doesn't mean that there is love, that he hates himself, or that he doesn't find his wife sexually attractive.


No, I'm sorry. I know lots of bi folks. They may not be immediately as attracted to their same sex, but they don't go out of their way to deny it or condemn it. I stand by my statement. He is a man who is unwilling to accept who he is, and is therefore, self-loathing.
 
2010-06-02 10:02:52 PM
I lived in CO Springs long enough to never, ever, EVER want to go back. The most bigoted, hateful, closed-minded and cruel people I've ever met in this entire country.

I know there are nice people there too, I just didn't meet too many in four years.

Haggard will fit right back in, I'm sure. Everyone there loves a self-loathing repentant gay man. If nothing else, to judge him and spit on him.

/like they used to do to me in High School
//never shoulda told em I was an atheist
///butthurt all these years later!
 
2010-06-02 10:05:30 PM
"This is my resurrection day," he declared.

What, no "second coming" jokes? You guys are slacking.
 
2010-06-02 10:06:13 PM
Sayeth Haggard from the article, "I think we're qualified to hold people's hands in times of trouble."

I don't know why exactly, but I don't think it's people's hands the good reverend is most notorious for holding. Once a charlatan, always a farking charlatan.
 
2010-06-02 10:08:57 PM
Its all a gimmick. Did you catch him in Bible Camp? He's telling the young kid to work on his schtick and to find another routine because he can't be a kid forever. Old Ted knows how to work the fundy crowd and he does it very well.
 
2010-06-02 10:10:42 PM
Fark Ted Haggard.
 
2010-06-02 10:17:22 PM
johnphantom: thalidomide new and improved: Whatever. I know why folks get so down on this guy, but jesus christ, does anyone have this shiat figured out?

I can't fault the guy for getting back up there and trying again.

He is a lying hypocrite.



So....he's human, then?

The Clergy will be the first to tell you--the human condition is one of flaws and imperfections. But it's pretty easy to figure out what's right and wrong. It's just that, for the most part, we all occasionally choose incorrectly.
 
2010-06-02 10:18:06 PM
I'm going to echo Hitchens in describing this man as nothing more than a Chaucerian fraud and pickpocket who preys upon the gullible.
 
2010-06-02 10:20:16 PM
Kymry: Everyone there loves a self-loathing repentant gay man.

I do.

/wut
 
2010-06-02 10:20:37 PM
Close2TheEdge: KrispyKritter: Close2TheEdge: BadAnalogyGuy: When pastors start straying from Bible teaching and into the gray area of sermonizing on their favorite subjects (see: WBC, Prosperity Gospel, etc) they are forsaking their God and believing themselves to be the arbiter of right and wrong. They lay the judgment at God's feet, but they themselves carry out the condemnation.

Haggard has gone through a lot and hopefully he has learned a lot through his suffering. If a church can be a sanctuary for people who are hurting, then it serves its purpose well. If it turns into a circus in a stadium, it only serves to line the pockets of the investors.

I'm willing to give Haggard another chance because his being gay or not doesn't affect me in the least. What is important is whether his ministry turns people into better people or not. How people treat others is the measure of how good they are.

You just couldn't help yourself, could you? And the worst thing is, you will get some bites.

Fully aware this is the wrong place to be positive or upbeat, much less not shred someone for showing a little faith, but I think BadAnalogyGuy wrote some nice things there.

You understand that you are being played, right? Or are you new here?


D'oh! -slaps palm against forehead-
 
2010-06-02 10:21:17 PM
i446.photobucket.com
 
2010-06-02 10:23:27 PM
"This is my resurrection day,"

"Back up in your ass with the resurrection."

billsmovieemporium.files.wordpress.com
 
2010-06-02 10:24:40 PM
thalidomide new and improved: The Clergy will be the first to tell you--the human condition is one of flaws and imperfections

Of course they say that, they fark children and cover it up.
 
2010-06-02 10:24:58 PM
"This is my resurrection day," he declared

Can it clown boy, you are just extra suppressed now.
 
2010-06-02 10:26:24 PM
The Icelander: thalidomide new and improved:
In short: I don't dislike that he hates that he's gay. I dislike that he wants to tell other people to hate that they're gay.


I'm sure he would tell you that you're mischaracterizing what he's trying to do. I'm sure he isn't telling anyone to hate any part of themselves.

Hell, then again, I don't know. I can only look at this situation from the perspective of catholicism, which, from what I know and have been taught, doesn't hate homosexals, but looks at the active practice of it in much the same way as the active practice of masturbation.
 
2010-06-02 10:27:30 PM
bravian: Kathrin: If you listen to him, he isn't necessarily self-loathing, or even "gay" in the traditional sense.

What is a "traditional" gay?

/waiting with bells on for the answer


A man who is exclusively attracted [physically and emotionally] to other men?

A lot of definitions have been opened up in the LGBTWTFBBQ spectrum.

If you look at old news reports, papers, etc - society at large had certain stereotypes about what it meant to be "gay". As time has gone on, there is a lot more acceptance, and people are realizing that gay people aren't all effeminate, or butch. Like any other diverse group of people, there is a significant amount of variation.

That's not a bad thing - it just makes labeling things a little harder sometimes.
 
2010-06-02 10:29:53 PM
Mugato: thalidomide new and improved: The Clergy will be the first to tell you--the human condition is one of flaws and imperfections

Of course they say that, they fark children and cover it up.


Not all of them do. And lest it goes unsaid, I'm a vocal catholic calling for the swift trial and imprisonment of every last priest found guilty of that. Forgiveness begins immediately AFTER taking responsibility.
 
2010-06-02 10:30:58 PM
The Colorado Springs "Casual Encounters" board on CraigsList better watch the fark out.
 
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