Hdhale

Humans were "meant" to eat whatever they want to. You can SAY we were meant to be omnivores, but that's not really true of any species. All species have certain nutrients they need to take in to survive. However they get those nutrients - through meat, vegetables, or supplements - doesn't matter. As long as they get them, it's all good.

Some choose to get their nutrients through supplemental means. I'm one of them. I find eating animals incredibly savage. I'm a vegeterian because I can't bring myself to eat a once-living creature like that. Am I doing it to be "noble"? No, I'm doing it because of my morals and my beliefs. I don't apply my opinion to anyone but myself, and I don't push my lifestyle on my omnivore friends. Live how you want to, and respect how others live. That's my advice to you.

LexiLuthor
Cola: It's the fact that pretty much every vegan/vegetarian on this thread has said something to the effect of "I don't like violence against animals" in that wonderful way that they use to make meat eaters try to feel bad about their choices. Yeah, I don't like violence against animals, either, I advocate killing animals for food in the most humane way possible (which is why I try to stick to kosher meat where possible).

Ok, how about "I don't like to participate in the unnecessary killing of animals". That's the primary reason to be a vegetarian for many of us. If that somehow offends you, that's your problem, if it's said in a higher than thou manner, it's ours.

And, you know what, after weighing my diet choices, I saw that vegans have an incredibly unhealthy diet lacking in many essential nutrients, so, yeah, I can admit I think it's a bit silly to purposely choose an unhealthy way to eat. Hey, but we are all entitled to our choices, eh? Until the Bush regime takes over and dictates everything we do, that is.....

Other than B12, what nutrients do vegans have to go out of their way to get?

I love these threads. Yes, please expain how a vegetarian diet is so incredibly unhealthy, Lexi...

Cola said:
"People are vegan for a variety of different reasons. It doesn't have to be ethical at all. Maybe it has to do with health, religions, allergies, etc."

Do you realize Hitler was a vegan too? I guess that makes all you vegans nazis! JUST KIDDING.

Seriously, there are many legitimate reasons to be vegan other than religious or the 'I don't want to kill animals' bit. In Hitler's case he had gastrointestinal problems that didn't let him digest meat. People with those types of conditions don't have much of a choice. Lactose intolerant, allergies, tons of other medical conditions that make people live vegan lifestyles (possibly 'against their will'). And for a meat eater to just stereo type all vegans as, well, whatever colorful names one might use when referring to vegans, makes them no better than the vegan who does detest meat eaters and shoves their holier than thou veganism in a carnovore's face. Bottom line is mind your own farking business, eat what you want and get on with your life.

Darknerd: I know we're friends and all, but I just can't join you in bashing Cola. She posts the best Weeners pictures of anyone on Fark. *sigh*

Eating meat makes Baby Jesus cry.

/troll

That was supposed to be a post for everyone, not just aimed at you Cola (=

05-21-03 10:13:21 AM Optikeye

I'm alergic to beef,

That's gotta be tough on ya, seeing you're made of beef.
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sick, i sure hope not. at least say he's made of his own meat instead of some random cow, lol.

and whoever thinks that vegetarians and vegans don't tend to be toothpickish or fat is blind. one would think that you hang around more of them to see how different you all tend to look from the average meat eater.

oh, and i'm not talking about you or the guy you know that drinks protein shakes and has been to the gym 3 days a week for the past 15 years - for the retards that don't understand generalisations yet. please learn, stupid people, please learn.

So, this "beef flavor" didn't hurt them until they found out? This sounds like a manifestation of Obsessive Compulsive disorder... I'd suggest that these people see a psychiatrist, not sue McDonalds.

Goldeneyed

I'm a vegeterian because I can't bring myself to eat a once-living creature like that

Plants aren't considering living creatures? Just because you can't hear a vegetable scream when you pull it out of the ground doesn't mean that it doesn't . perhaps we are just too immature as a species to understand the language of plants.

I will apologize in advance. I fall into the "not entirely happy with the veggie rhetoric" group. I had a friend who was 'strictly' vegetarian. Oh, except for chicken and fish. She came off as a bit ... hypocritical.

When a vegetarian says 'I don't eat meat because I don't like killing things', it doesn't mean that they are judging you for your dietary choices. All it means is that they are stating their opinion and explaining why they are vegetarians. You have just as much right to explain why you choose to eat meat, and I'm sure the veggies will not deny you that right.

If you feel like people are judging you, perhaps you should consider why you eat meat, and why you feel guilty about it. After all if you are really secure and happy with your choices why would you feel threatened by some vegetarian who is simply explaining why they eat the way they do?

It's like someone who is super homophobic, usually they have some issues with gay people that are unresolved and therefore they express that with anger and hatred towards the homo crowd.

you know I can never get over the degrees of outright hatred towards vegs on fark. Everytime this topic comes up so many people just start in with the "stop preaching" "I hate all vegans" etc etc nonsense. And the sad fact is I hear it all the time "in real life" as well.

I've been a vegetarian since I was 15...it took me that long to convince my mother to stop forcing me to eat meat (slipping it into practically anything) I've never liked the taste. I can't stand it. I hated it as a kid and I hate it now. But ya know what, I've never once bashed anyone for eating meat. I've cooked it for people (I aparently make a damn good steak). It's your choice what you eat and my choice what I eat. I don't bash you for eating stuff I wouldn't so why the hell do you think you have the right to bash me for it?

So you've run into a preachy vegan or two...we all have. But those of us who choose not to eat meat run into a heck of alot of self righteous meat eaters as well....far more of them then vegans...least in my experience. And I'm prime vegan fodder...or even strict veg fodder...cause I wear leather boots and still eat animal products.

Cola,

Why is it for each sensible normal vegan, there are ten Asshats

I keep waiting for a (militant) vegan/vegetarian to pop the "could you smash that poor cows head with a sledghammer?" because I totally would, except that I don't know how to do it properly. I might not kill the animal with one blow, and that would be cruel. If I were trained to slaughter animals quickly and efficiently, I would do it, because I understand that the cow/chicken/whatever being killed is a necessary step to get to the steak dinner. But if someone else can't deal with that step, then I support their desire to not eat meat. In fact, I would demand it, if I could; to do otherwise would be hypocrisy.

It's like someone who is super homophobic, usually they have some issues with gay people that are unresolved and therefore they express that with anger and hatred towards the homo crowd.


Or, maybe they think that veganism is often an enabler for obsessive psychological problems. Lots of people treat it like a religion, as if it's all that important what one person eats. Or, like my ex-roommate who went vegan to stop binging and ended up eating most meals in some soy protein shake format and then vomiting them up.

the best fries i ever had were deep fried in whale grease

Grapple

Well, in a perfect world we wouldn't have to eat anything. ;)

I just refuse to eat anything with a heart and a brain and feelings and emotions. I don't believe that animals are 'worth' any less than humans. They can love, and they can fear. They can feel pain, both physical and emotional. That's where I draw my line. I don't eat any animals. Not cows, not pigs, not birds, not fish.

I get tired of the "you don't eat animals but you eat plants!" argument, though. I could just as easily imply hypocricy in meat-eaters because they would never eat a human but they'll gladly eat a cow. But that'd be ignorant.

Nuh-uh, you've never eaten whale grease.

i have never wanted to McSlap some Mcdumbass so badly in so long. Oy vey!

Well... lets see... passing fries off as vegitarian when they contain little bits of cow.

This isn't just a philosophical thing: many people get ill when eating beef and then there are those who consider eating beef to be against thier religion.

Mickey-D's farked around and people found out. $10M is a pittance to them anyway.

Goldeneyed
"I just refuse to eat anything with a heart and a brain and feelings and emotions. I don't believe that animals are 'worth' any less than humans. They can love, and they can fear. They can feel pain, both physical and emotional. That's where I draw my line. I don't eat any animals. Not cows, not pigs, not birds, not fish."

I feel compelled to point out that, from a strictly logical stance, this doesn't make sense. If you feel you are not superior to animals, then this should not necessarily preclude eating meat, because animals eat meat. So unless you think that herbivorous animals are worth as much as humans, but omnivorous and carnivorous ones are not, then your logic is fundamentally unsound.

ok i lied but i have ate cow brains and a bull ball or steer
ball (not sure what it would be)

I'm surprised so many people are coming down on vegetarians rather than focusing on the real point of the story, which is that McDonald's is scum. It's really irrelevant what group got lied to and sued, the point is that McD's is willing to grind up their own mothers to sell a few more burgers.

Bluezmasta

Why is it that for every respectful non-vegeterian, there are ten ignorant, self-righteous asshats?


Please, people. A little respect isn't that hard. All kinds of people live their lives differently than you do; it doesn't mean they're 'wrong', it just means they're different. If you want to be accepted and respected, show a little to those you consider different. Being an asshat isn't cool. :)

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo,

DING DING DING DING DING!!!! you are the winner!

Thanks

But Incontinent, there's no argument regarding McDonald's. They're a terrible corporation and everyone agrees. Where's the debate in that?

LexiLuthor
It's pretty much the same thing really. You are implying that I enjoy participating in the unnecessary killing of animals. Well, I don't see killing animals for food as unnecessary. Killing them for sport is, but for food, no.

Obviously vegetarians do see killing animals for food as unnecessary, how can we state that without offending you?

LawTalkingGuy: you're the first one to comment on my name. Thanks!

Everyone else: I think the "I hate preachy vegetarian people" are overestimating their importance, as Cola (I think) mentioned, and also don't realize the degree to which they come off as having the characteristics they're claiming to dislike.

But of course, I've got my own biases too. And of course, I'm apparently one of the preachy vegetarians.

Guy Innagorillasuit
"how can we state that without offending you?"

By saying it with a mouthful of veal parmesan?

/nothin'

Antialias: Oh, she's the one? Well, that's all fine and good, but she started in on me, not the other way around. And you know how I react when attacked - ruthlessly, and without remorse.

Antialias

If you feel you are not superior to animals, then this should not necessarily preclude eating meat, because animals eat meat. So unless you think that herbivorous animals are worth as much as humans, but omnivorous and carnivorous ones are not, then your logic is fundamentally unsound.

Did I say that? I don't think I'm superior to omnivore humans because I'm a vegetrian. Why would I think certain animals are "better" than other ones? That's asinine. It's just how I choose to live my life based on my personal morals.

But go ahead and try to prove my opinion 'wrong'.

I'll never understand why so many people feel threatened and lash out based on something as harmless as another's opinion. :\

Antialias
By saying it with a mouthful of veal parmesan?

Good thing my mouth wasn't full when I read that!

Beef flavored not beef!!! Damn...

I'm a veggie but I don't go nuts if someone slips me meat by-products. Happens all the time. I would constantly be pissed off.
I just wish they hadn't told me. I loved those fries...sniff

Why is everyone so pissed off at vegetarians? I've never seen a vegetarian preach their views to others to try to convert them to vegetarianism/veganism, and what they do doesn't hurt anything. Hell, it hurts stuff less than most people do. And people are pissed off at vegetarians because McDonalds lied to them, causing them to unknowingly go against their beliefs, and they sued to get even. They didn't even get that much money per person. It's not like these people go door-to-door and try to convert everyone to veganism.

bah

It's not like these people go door-to-door and try to convert everyone to veganism.

W00t! Now I have something to do this weekend!

Bob#?

It's because a lot of ignorant asshats refuse to be educated on other lifestyles, and they stereotype everyone who's different than they are. Thus, all gay people are fairies, all black people are gangstas, and all vegeterians are PETA protesters. It's stupid, but then again, so are they.

Wow, where'd all the vegetarians come from all of a sudden? A year ago it seemed like it was only Kylie, and me!

I just w00ted outside of a game server. How mortifying...

Volcano

Well, I came from Canada. ;)

I've been lurking for nearly a year, but I rarely post. Only when something tickles me juuust right.

Bluezmasta
Same ratio occurs with omnivores. It's 10:1 asshat to sensible person ratio on a GOOD day.

Volcano,

Not all veg-heads wear thier designation on thier sleeves.

/former vegetarian

And people are pissed off at vegetarians because McDonalds lied to them, causing them to unknowingly go against their beliefs

But all of fark would be making fun of McDonalds if a Christian group sued McDonalds for unknowingly making them go against their beliefs.

Goldeneyed: But you DID say that! You said "I don't believe that animals are 'worth' any less than humans." Ergo, you do not believe that you are better than animals. Some animals "eat anything with a heart and a brain and feelings and emotions." Eating meat is an animal function, which you are not above, as stated previously. Therefore, to hold that eating meat is a bad thing, you are involving by necessity that some animals are bad, and you are then better than them. Thus, your logic is false.

And don't call me asinine. I did not insult you, I was commenting on your logic, which is objective, rather than your opinion, which is subjective. I did not "lash out" at your harmless opinion. You type badly, have a poor sense of humor, and return with insult where no insult was offered. Don't ask for respect when you yourself are disrespectful and reactionary.

Why can't you meat-eaters respect vegetarians? It takes a lot of discipline to not eat meat and animal-byproduts. And when you go past McDonalds (I personally quit eating there years before going veg), and you have a craving for carbs, you want fries or hashbrowns. So, you ask the cashier what they're cooked in, they confirm veg oil, you eat it, then find out later it's cooked in beef fat. You feel McDonals lied to you and might as well just spit on your food right in front of you. That's insulting. I don't think money really solves the problem, though. They should be honest and apologize for their lie. But then, corporate bastards are liars anyway.

err, Making fun of the Christians I mean.

My point is, once something becomes dogmatic enough to be followed with religious ferver, it is an insult to rational though no matter if it's fundamental Christianism or obsessive avoidance of anything that ever touched meat.

rational thought

cripes.

Come on, you ignorant troglodytes. I went vegetarian about a year ago for health reasons- not only is meat not exceptionally healthy due to the high fat content, but also due to the massively unhealthy conditions under which it is prepared for consumption Fast Food Nation is essential reading in this regard. Anything you get from meat you can get from plants, so why subject yourself to the threat of such disgusting diseases unecessarily? As a vegetarian, I occasionally make staple "murder" jokes, but only out of sheer self-deprecating sarcasm. And yes, some people gain weight when they go vegetarian/vegan, but I'm willing to bet that those people haven't read up on how to be a healthy veg* and probably don't excersize much.
Finally, I'm a college vegetarian, which is to say a vegetarian in college. I tend to have to cook for myself to support my lifestyle choice, which means that I've learned how to cook with a great deal more proficiency than before I went veg. Now I'm in a place with my own kitchen, where lots and lots of insanely hot girls are also vegetarians, and who think that guys who A) are veg and B) can cook well are ridiculously attractive.
Go ahead, asshats. Eat your farking meat. I'm flattered but spoken for.