Has the president been alerted?

The_Sponge: Shut down everything!

You don't get to say that.

The Azores Bullfinch is one fatass bird.

"It is another example of how human actions can have unforeseen consequences"

Oh boo-hoo. Yeah it's sad but we can't prevent every single bird and grasshopper from dying out while we are living on this planet with them, and animals went extinct by the millions long before humans ever came along. If these stupid birds were that rare and fragile they probably would have died out without us anyway.

Now the scumbags who poach animals to death are another matter.

Hand Banana: Now the scumbags who poach animals to death are another matter.

Who cares? There's no difference between dumping poison into a forest and killing a bird or poaching it for money. Both are just the effects of having mouths to feed and an economy to run. A liberal like you doesn't usually understand evolution, maybe but economics do play a role in the environment. You have it half right: we can't go around saving animals from extinction. We've got to eat.

Hand Banana: "It is another example of how human actions can have unforeseen consequences"

Oh boo-hoo. Yeah it's sad but we can't prevent every single bird and grasshopper from dying out while we are living on this planet with them, and animals went extinct by the millions long before humans ever came along. If these stupid birds were that rare and fragile they probably would have died out without us anyway.

Now the scumbags who poach animals to death are another matter.

As an avid hunter and fisherman I HATE it when people feel it is no big deal to introduce an invasive species to a body of water. We have had problems up here on Lake Erie with invasive species and it can destroy the fishery.

But, your're right. Oh boo-hoo. If the animal can't fend for itself we shouldn't be upset if we were the cause of the entire species being wiped off the Earth. After all animals have gone extinct before we got here. There is no reason at all to try to prevent that from happening.

So photo #1 is a clear image of the bird, but then #2 is a grainy one described as the only photo to exist of the bird...?

Huh?

Oh, and carnivorous fish? Piranha?? IN 3D???

MicroE: But, your're right. Oh boo-hoo. If the animal can't fend for itself we shouldn't be upset if we were the cause of the entire species being wiped off the Earth. After all animals have gone extinct before we got here. There is no reason at all to try to prevent that from happening.

You're right, we shouldn't be upset. No one intentionally set out to wipe these birds out and if they were so dependent on living in this one little area it's inevitable they would have died out with or without our help eventually. We can try to protect every species in the world but some are still going to die, we aren't gods. Nature's a biatch, get over it hippies.

Hand Banana:
You're right, we shouldn't be upset. No one intentionally set out to wipe these birds out and if they were so dependent on living in this one little area it's inevitable they would have died out with or without our help eventually. We can try to protect every species in the world but some are still going to die, we aren't gods. Nature's a biatch, get over it hippies.

I agree with natural selection/survival of the fittest/Darwinism, etc. But what isn't clear from TFA is where the carnivorous fish came from and how large the role of the fishing nets. While it would seem that the bird would have gone extinct anyway, due to its small numbers, I do wonder how those factors may have contributed to the speed of the extinction.

Sandbox Leprechaun: I agree with natural selection/survival of the fittest/Darwinism, etc. But what isn't clear from TFA is where the carnivorous fish came from and how large the role of the fishing nets. While it would seem that the bird would have gone extinct anyway, due to its small numbers, I do wonder how those factors may have contributed to the speed of the extinction.

This is nonsense. Humans are invasive species too. You go hunting, and other people build factories, and other people poach to feed their families. The carnivrous fish that is brought to a region by humans has as much right to be there as the humans that built a factory that disposes of tailings into a river and the hunters who kill for sport or income.

How did the fish get there? Some humans brought it in with a boat, or with their aquarium. How did the hunter get there? Drove in with a Jeep, walked around, killed stuff. You're not being very reasonable if you don't realize you are an invasive species too.

Hand Banana: entionally set out to wipe these birds out and if they were so dependent on living in this one little area it's inevitable they would have died out with or without our help eventually. We can try to protect every species in the world but some are still going to die, we aren't gods. Nature's a biatch, get over it hippies.

The fish introduced is a snakehead fish. It's native to South East Asia and was introduced to Madagascar by people.

You're right that no one intentionally wiped out this bird but I'd be willing to bet that someone intentionally introduced that fish to the area. Possibly not knowing how dangerous the fish can be to the ecosystem.

I'm hardly a hippie. Maybe you didn't notice but I did say I spend a lot of time killing animals. You're probably the type of guy who feels no regrets transporting firewood from different areas or moving fish from different bodies of water. After all, you didn't intentionally destroy the ecosystem.

Bennie Crabtree:
This is nonsense. Humans are invasive species too. You go hunting, and other people build factories, and other people poach to feed their families. The carnivrous fish that is brought to a region by humans has as much right to be there as the humans that built a factory that disposes of tailings into a river and the hunters who kill for sport or income.

How did the fish get there? Some humans brought it in with a boat, or with their aquarium. How did the hunter get there? Drove in with a Jeep, walked around, killed stuff. You're not being very reasonable if you don't realize you are an invasive species too.

Of course we're an invasive species. We're the most invasive species. The point I was making was that others mentioned that species went extinct before humans were around, so boo hoo on the bird. I wasn't saying "Wah! Man kills all!! We suck!!", I was just wondering aloud the impact that Man had on the acceleration of the extinction.

Man also has the ability to reason and choose. We don't just kill to eat. We do hunt for sport and there's been many species sent to extinction or near-extinction for no other purpose than a trophy on the wall. Natural selection and survival of the fittest is a little more difficult to use as an explanation when the survival of man is not dependent on killing elephants for their ivory.

For all we know, the bird was going to be extinct anyway, whether now or 50 years from now, but there are 'unnatural' factors involved, since the introduction of carnivorous fish (if brought by man) and fishing nets alters the natural ecosystem.

Man plays with unnatural elements. You might call that natural evolution and I wouldn't necessarily disagree. But Man also has greater unforeseen consequences on the ecosystem great and small that we don't really know the impact of. Who knows what the oil spill will do the marine life of the planet 50 years from now?

I'd like to thank apologists like the farkers in this thread for giving me the chance to shoot and and eat that bald eagle when I was up camping in Canada. What can I say, I forgot to bring my granola bars and I was really hungry.

/tastes like turkey

Sandbox Leprechaun: So photo #1 is a clear image of the bird, but then #2 is a grainy one described as the only photo to exist of the bird...?

Huh?

Oh, and carnivorous fish? Piranha?? IN 3D???

Thats because photo #1 isn't a photo, it is an illustration.

Cute headline, subby!

MicroE: I'm hardly a hippie. Maybe you didn't notice but I did say I spend a lot of time killing animals.

Quiet, hippy. :P

Hetfield: Cute headline, subby!

Yup. Clever.

BKITU: Weaver95: every time I read about a species going extinct, I find myself wondering how they would taste if lightly seasoned and served with a glass of white wine.

Probably like smoked turkey. That's what the komodo dragon tasted like, anyway.



Agrees.
/hot like the Mona Lisa

I like to move it move it.
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/Ugh.
//Die subby.

Worth reading:

/hot

this headline rules.

namatad: Weaver95: every time I read about a species going extinct, I find myself wondering how they would taste if lightly seasoned and served with a glass of white wine.

F*CKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
now I am hungry

I have also created an estimate from this data.
Approx 2 to 200,000 species will go extinct per year.

Out of all those species anthropogenic related extinction will count for less than 100. But, hey, goddamn facts aren't always right, huh, treehuggers?

::rolls eyes:

/If I had to make the choice about rendering every non-domesticated animal extinct or saving one human life, I wouldn't do it.

Now, if we ruled out primates and cetaceans (they DO have higher-brain function); in a heartbeat.

Well, if you don't out breed the vile pelicans then firstly your population collapses, then your civilization, and then all that is left of your culture and gene line is a poorly scratched etching on a stone wall and perhaps a skinned example of your species stuffed with sawdust in a crate in some basement of a neglected museum.

Populate or Perish!

If your entire species is limited to a single lake don't be surprised when Darwin comes knocking.

I_Am_Weasel: There has been many a tragedy since the warning to lower your head became "DUCK", since then the water fowl just hasn't not stood a chance.

My uncle William joined the army, but suffered a terrible accident the first day on the gun range. Evidently, the other recruits misinterpreted the command to "fire at Will."