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2010-05-26 10:24:39 AM
on the plus side?

access to a holodeck that could be programmed to a scenario out of Caligula and making out with a young Ashley Judd
 
2010-05-26 10:35:34 AM
NuttierThanEver: on the plus side?

access to a holodeck that could be programmed to a scenario out of Caligula and making out with a young Ashley Judd


....Hell yes.

Also, FTFA: Add to that, he was an "acting" ensign. That sounds like allowing your son to be slave labor -- he had to do all the stuff an ensign had to do, but he didn't get paid.

I am mildly ashamed that immediately upon reading that I wanted to point out that NOBODY in Starfleet was paid, seeing as the federation had done away with money...
 
2010-05-26 10:54:58 AM
Yet when Worf tried to place Alexander at his brother's home instead of keeping him on board all he got was shiat from the senior staff.

BTW, they forget Beverly abandoning Wesley on the Enterprise for a full year while she was at Starfleet medical for a year doing whatever. Also, I think Wesley was the one who put the ship in harms way a few times (but I'll let some former acting ensign comment on that if he shows up).
 
2010-05-26 11:00:27 AM
Worst Parents On TV No. 5
Peg and Al Bundy - 'Married ... With Children'


Peg and Al Bundy are the epitome of awful parents -- and any list of bad TV parents would certainly be incomplete without their inclusion.

They're rude, crude, and their double entendres helped make Fox the network it is today.
Married With Children
Columbia Pictures Television

Peg brings a whole new meaning to "neglect." She refuses to clean the house or cook for her family -- she claims she's allergic to fire, yet she chain smokes cigarettes. And Peg would rather buy new clothes than do laundry.

Al is resentful of his family, because he was a star on his high school football team, but his seemingly bright future was yanked away when he got Peg pregnant and broke his leg.

Of course, it could be argued that their kids drive them nuts, so that drives them further down the path of bad parenting, but the family had to start somewhere.

Worst Parents On TV No. 4
Don and Betty Draper - 'Mad Men'


Most of this list is made up with bad parents from sitcoms, but they exist in other genres as well. And the bad parenting in dramas, for instance, is even more disturbing to watch.
Mad Men
AMC Image

Don is a womanizer and a heavy drinker. Betty screams at her kids. At one point, her parenting reaches a pinnacle when she yells at her daughter for putting a plastic bag on her head, but not because she might suffocate -- because she left the clothes on the floor.

If that wasn't great enough parenting, at the end of last season Don and Betty decided to get a divorce, left their kids with the nanny, and took off. And that isn't the first time they have left the kids in the nanny's care, long term -- they even took a spur of the moment vacation to Rome.

Sure, it was a different time in the 1960s, but bad parenting is still bad parenting.

Worst Parents On TV No. 3
Homer Simpson - 'Simpsons'


What could be so wrong with Homer Simpson? Let's consider some evidence:

* Each week he strangles his son until his eyes bulge out.
Homer Simpson
* Under the guise of "daddy-daughter time," Homer turns one-on-one time with Lisa into a chance to gamble on football.
* He packed Bart's lunch one day -- peanut butter spread on a playing card and Tom Collins mix.
* Homer -- while home alone with the kids -- was watching TV with Bart while Lisa was trying to sleep. When she asked Homer to turn the TV down, he responded, "Lisa, if we wouldn't turn it down for the police, what chance do you have?"

Homer's got more than 20 years of child neglect under his belt, and it only looks like there's more to come.

Worst Parents On TV No. 2
Beverly Crusher - 'Star Trek: The Next Generation'


You may be thinking, "Beverly Crusher? What did she do wrong? She's a doctor on the Federation's flagship, the Enterprise and raised -- as a single mother no less -- a brilliant son.
Beverly Crusher
Paramount Television

That's just looking at the positives. Let's consider the whole picture.

First, she drags Wesley onto a starship. True, while the Enterprise is designed to be able to accommodate families, it still found itself in harm's way more than once in a while -- once a week, by my count.

The ship was always being taken over by some malevolent force and the Borg may have well have had their own quarters on the ship.

Add to that, he was an "acting" ensign. That sounds like allowing your son to be slave labor -- he had to do all the stuff an ensign had to do, but he didn't get paid.

Worst Parents On TV No. 1
Arthur Spooner - 'King of Queens'


Jerry Stiller has the distinction of playing an awful parent in two popular television shows. First, he was Frank Costanza on "Seinfeld." Then he went on to play Arthur Spooner on "The King of Queens."
King of Queens
Sony Pictures Television

Arthur Spooner started his negligent parenting even before Carrie was even born. While his wife was in childbirth, Arthur was more worried about whether she bought Wonder bread than how the delivery was going.

As the years marched on, he did such things as losing her name in a poker game and storming out of his daughter's elementary school ballet performance because he was not given "VIP seating." He also held hundreds of jobs, never keeping one for more than a month at a time.

But even in his adult years, Arthur continued his questionable parenting, getting his son-in-law in bar fights and embarrassing his daughter at work.
 
2010-05-26 11:00:58 AM
Kyndig: I am mildly ashamed that immediately upon reading that I wanted to point out that NOBODY in Starfleet was paid, seeing as the federation had done away with money...

Oh yeah, I'd forgotten about that. I'd filed it away in the category of "really ridiculous stuff about Star Trek that no one really thought through."
 
2010-05-26 11:01:59 AM
He also saved the Enterprise a couple of times, but that was mostly because he was "The Wesley" -- There's a reason why Wesley Crusher has his own entry on tvtropes.
 
2010-05-26 11:04:31 AM
Thank you, jaylectricity. Farking slideshows.
 
2010-05-26 11:05:03 AM
MonkeyAngst: Kyndig: I am mildly ashamed that immediately upon reading that I wanted to point out that NOBODY in Starfleet was paid, seeing as the federation had done away with money...

Oh yeah, I'd forgotten about that. I'd filed it away in the category of "really ridiculous stuff about Star Trek that no one really thought through."


Hell, even stormtroopers get paid, I think.

And that transporter steals your soul. They repeatedly murder members on starfleet to save a few bucks on gas.
 
2010-05-26 11:05:15 AM
CRUSHER: And then I just slapped him. Really hard. I slapped Wesley.
 
2010-05-26 11:06:18 AM
MonkeyAngst: I'd filed it away in the category of "really ridiculous stuff about Star Trek that no one way too many people really thought through."

FTFY
 
2010-05-26 11:06:52 AM
I always thought Al was a victim of circumstance.
 
2010-05-26 11:07:12 AM
killahgrag: MonkeyAngst: I'd filed it away in the category of "really ridiculous stuff about Star Trek that no one way too many people really thought through."

FTFY


I meant the people that wrote the show. I've heard the no-money thing was Roddenberry's idea, I don't know. Terrible idea, regardless of whose it was.
 
2010-05-26 11:08:42 AM
Do they have to be fictitious? Because these are easily the worst parents on TV.

www.babble.com
 
2010-05-26 11:09:29 AM
The Angry Hand of God: Do they have to be fictitious? Because these are easily the worst parents on TV.

I was thinking of the Osbournes, myself.
 
2010-05-26 11:10:08 AM
jaylectricity: You may be thinking, "Beverly Crusher? What did she do wrong? She's a doctor on the Federation's flagship, the Enterprise and raised -- as a single mother no less -- a brilliant son.

I support single mothers, one dollar at a time.

jaylectricity: Homer's got more than 20 years of child neglect under his belt, and it only looks like there's more to come.

I always thought the Simpsons where the picture of the perfect family. There is love there, they take the time to go to church together every sunday, they have family meals, and if you fark with one of them you fark with all of them.

It's kind of sweet.
 
2010-05-26 11:10:17 AM
upload.wikimedia.org

The hook-hand lady from Boston Public?
 
2010-05-26 11:10:26 AM
MonkeyAngst: I meant the people that wrote the show. I've heard the no-money thing was Roddenberry's idea, I don't know. Terrible idea, regardless of whose it was.

Idunno, I liked the idea that the TNG federation was so incredibly *alien* to us. That there really wasn't anything left to buy and sell since technology made everything free.
 
2010-05-26 11:12:13 AM
The Stealth Hippopotamus: I always thought the Simpsons where the picture of the perfect family. There is love there, they take the time to go to church together every sunday, they have family meals, and if you fark with one of them you fark with all of them.

Except for the whole "strangling Bart when he loses his temper" thing.

Either way, the worst parents on (scripted) TV aren't on Family Sitcoms. They're on comedy shows about young, hip 20/30-somethings after one of the cast pops out a kid and it is *NEVER SEEN AGAIN*.

I'm looking at you, Friends, SATC.
 
2010-05-26 11:12:43 AM
Vash's Apprentice: I always thought Al was a victim of circumstance.

I think that circumstance is Peg, so together they're still bad parents.
 
2010-05-26 11:14:36 AM
A teenage boy with access to the holodeck? Lets be honest, he would never leave it. I know I wouldn't.
 
2010-05-26 11:14:44 AM
This: Idunno, I liked the idea that the TNG federation was so incredibly *alien* to us. That there really wasn't anything left to buy and sell since technology made everything free.

Money is nothing more than a way to trade labor without having to barter directly for that labor. Even in a utopian universe there would still be a need for it.
 
2010-05-26 11:15:04 AM
www.ashleysaunders.com
 
2010-05-26 11:15:52 AM
Cowboy Spencer: I was thinking of the Osbournes, myself.

Really? I think that the Osbornes are at least trying to raise their kids right and not looking at them as the paycheck. I think after she stops getting TV deals Kate would sell them to organ harvesters if she thought she could get away with it. Now I not saying the guy is any better.
 
2010-05-26 11:17:01 AM
List fails without

farm3.static.flickr.com
 
2010-05-26 11:17:56 AM
IdBeCrazyIf: This: Idunno, I liked the idea that the TNG federation was so incredibly *alien* to us. That there really wasn't anything left to buy and sell since technology made everything free.

Money is nothing more than a way to trade labor without having to barter directly for that labor. Even in a utopian universe there would still be a need for it.


webpages.charter.net
Human behavior is economic behavior. The particulars may vary, but competition for limited resources remains a constant. Need as well as greed have followed us to the stars, and the rewards of wealth still await those wise enough to recognize this deep thrumming of our common pulse.

/pimpslaps Roddenberry
 
2010-05-26 11:18:06 AM
The Angry Hand of God: Do they have to be fictitious? Because these are easily the worst parents on TV.

I take it you haven't seen Pretty Wild yet.....
 
2010-05-26 11:18:24 AM
Funny I have him in the top 10 of best and worst parents:

timstvshowcase.com
 
2010-05-26 11:19:42 AM
What about Nancy Botwin from Weeds? Or Celia and her husband, for that matter, from the same show?
 
2010-05-26 11:20:39 AM
And let's not forget:

doctore.blog.is
 
2010-05-26 11:20:58 AM
The mom from Malcolm in the middle. I stopped watching it I hated her so much
 
2010-05-26 11:23:15 AM
Vcook: A teenage boy with access to the holodeck? Lets be honest, he would never leave it. I know I wouldn't.

Can we get someone from Engineering down to the holodeck? It has been stuck in some "cave" simulation for a week.

Uhh, Captain, Engineering is saying those white stalactites are some form of organic matter. He have been finding samples all over the ship. Showers, socks, replicators, your desk, Data's power port..
 
2010-05-26 11:23:49 AM
stewiesplayground.com
"Shut up, Meg."
 
2010-05-26 11:24:01 AM
IdBeCrazyIf: Money is nothing more than a way to trade labor without having to barter directly for that labor. Even in a utopian universe there would still be a need for it.

STOP IT RIGHT NOW!!
 
2010-05-26 11:27:20 AM
from the headline, I thought it was going to be the absentee alien father in a box from Out of This World, which I would have agreed with and applauded for its semi-obscurity.
 
2010-05-26 11:27:57 AM
The Riches
 
2010-05-26 11:28:40 AM
bad_blood: from the headline, I thought it was going to be the absentee alien father in a box from Out of This World, which I would have agreed with and applauded for its semi-obscurity.


How about the dad from Small Wonder? He loved his creepy robot daughter more than his real son.
 
2010-05-26 11:30:32 AM
Cool random story time, bro.

No joke, I had literally had a dream last night where some buddies and I ran into the actress that plays Dr. Crusher. She had lost her damn mind and was convinced she WAS Dr. Crusher. When we asked her why everything was 2010 Earth, she said it must be a holodeck experience.

I gotta ease up on the drinking.
 
2010-05-26 11:32:53 AM
hugheric: The mom from Malcolm in the middle. I stopped watching it I hated her so much

Eh, Lois means well, but she is always wrong. Except for the dam series finale. Fark me it that did not make me want to choke a biatch writer.

Peter Griffon is the worst dad ever.
 
2010-05-26 11:40:32 AM
Also,

irreprehensible.files.wordpress.com
 
2010-05-26 11:41:12 AM
howdyyall9999: Funny I have him in the top 10 of best and worst parents:

I liked that show.
 
2010-05-26 11:42:22 AM
howdyyall9999: Funny I have him in the top 10 of best and worst parents:

"You don't drag a woman out of a strip club. You put a twenty in your zipper and back out slowly. "

I miss that show.

/wussy
 
2010-05-26 11:43:09 AM
improvius: Also,

If we're doing anime

t0.gstatic.com
 
2010-05-26 11:44:12 AM
Simpsons Fail. Bart's lunch was a pack of sugar and peanut butter smeared on a playing card. The Tom Collins Mix was part of Homer's meal with the cloves and frozen pie crust.

/geek rant over
 
2010-05-26 11:45:12 AM
MonkeyAngst: Kyndig: I am mildly ashamed that immediately upon reading that I wanted to point out that NOBODY in Starfleet was paid, seeing as the federation had done away with money...

Oh yeah, I'd forgotten about that. I'd filed it away in the category of "really ridiculous stuff about Star Trek that no one really thought through."


So if I understand it correctly a Captain, I presume outside of havingg better quarters and some prestige, recieves no greater compensation than an acting ensign. So for assuming greater responsibilites, with a greater risk of criminal prosecution should he screw up through negligence, Captain Picard was no better off than Wesley.

Tell me again why be a Captain?
 
2010-05-26 11:45:26 AM
This: improvius: Also,

If we're doing anime


Yeah, he was the other one who came to mind. I was just about to go find a pic.
 
2010-05-26 11:45:33 AM
/Came for references to Ken Titus and The Bluths, leaving pleasantly satisfied.
//Ken Titus should also be on lists of best t.v. parents.
///Paradox
 
2010-05-26 11:51:22 AM
img20.imageshack.us
Would like to talked to you about farked up parents
 
2010-05-26 11:53:22 AM
I can forgive Beverly Crusher for a lot of things, but forcing poor Wesley to wear a clown sweater is inexcusable. I don't care if it prevents assimilation by the Borg.
 
2010-05-26 11:53:23 AM
i47.tinypic.com

No wire hangers, ever!
 
2010-05-26 11:53:25 AM
Fano: Human behavior is economic behavior. The particulars may vary, but competition for limited resources remains a constant. Need as well as greed have followed us to the stars, and the rewards of wealth still await those wise enough to recognize this deep thrumming of our common pulse.

Awesome reference
 
2010-05-26 11:53:49 AM
hasty ambush: MonkeyAngst: Kyndig: I am mildly ashamed that immediately upon reading that I wanted to point out that NOBODY in Starfleet was paid, seeing as the federation had done away with money...

Oh yeah, I'd forgotten about that. I'd filed it away in the category of "really ridiculous stuff about Star Trek that no one really thought through."

So if I understand it correctly a Captain, I presume outside of havingg better quarters and some prestige, recieves no greater compensation than an acting ensign. So for assuming greater responsibilites, with a greater risk of criminal prosecution should he screw up through negligence, Captain Picard was no better off than Wesley.

Tell me again why be a Captain?


So you have power and status, with no money it would be the only way to distinguish yourself as better than others.
 
2010-05-26 11:54:03 AM
I salaute the people who brought up both AbFab and Titus.
 
2010-05-26 11:54:50 AM
hasty ambush: MonkeyAngst: Kyndig: I am mildly ashamed that immediately upon reading that I wanted to point out that NOBODY in Starfleet was paid, seeing as the federation had done away with money...

Oh yeah, I'd forgotten about that. I'd filed it away in the category of "really ridiculous stuff about Star Trek that no one really thought through."

So if I understand it correctly a Captain, I presume outside of havingg better quarters and some prestige, recieves no greater compensation than an acting ensign. So for assuming greater responsibilites, with a greater risk of criminal prosecution should he screw up through negligence, Captain Picard was no better off than Wesley.

Tell me again why be a Captain?


Cabin Boys
 
2010-05-26 11:55:14 AM
hasty ambush: So if I understand it correctly a Captain, I presume outside of havingg better quarters and some prestige, recieves no greater compensation than an acting ensign. So for assuming greater responsibilites, with a greater risk of criminal prosecution should he screw up through negligence, Captain Picard was no better off than Wesley.

Tell me again why be a Captain?


A better question is why be a deckhand? At least being a captain is cool. If everything is free, why labor at all?
 
2010-05-26 11:55:15 AM
Surprised this guy isn't listed, paralyzing your own son and conjuring a false father-son relationship to steal a kidney isn't enough to make this list?

z.about.com
 
2010-05-26 11:55:31 AM
www.ohiomm.com
 
2010-05-26 11:55:34 AM
IdBeCrazyIf: This: Idunno, I liked the idea that the TNG federation was so incredibly *alien* to us. That there really wasn't anything left to buy and sell since technology made everything free.

Money is nothing more than a way to trade labor without having to barter directly for that labor. Even in a utopian universe there would still be a need for it.


Imagine there's no money.
It's easy if you try
Nothing to con you out of
Though corporations will still try

Imagine all the people
getting stuff for free-ee-ee

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join me
And the world can live rent free
 
2010-05-26 11:57:12 AM
schattenteufel: bad_blood: from the headline, I thought it was going to be the absentee alien father in a box from Out of This World, which I would have agreed with and applauded for its semi-obscurity.


How about the dad from Small Wonder? He loved his creepy robot daughter more than his real son.


i280.photobucket.com
jaysjokes.com
thumb18.shutterstock.com.edgesuite.net
 
2010-05-26 11:58:13 AM
hasty ambush: MonkeyAngst: Kyndig: I am mildly ashamed that immediately upon reading that I wanted to point out that NOBODY in Starfleet was paid, seeing as the federation had done away with money...

Oh yeah, I'd forgotten about that. I'd filed it away in the category of "really ridiculous stuff about Star Trek that no one really thought through."

So if I understand it correctly a Captain, I presume outside of havingg better quarters and some prestige, recieves no greater compensation than an acting ensign. So for assuming greater responsibilites, with a greater risk of criminal prosecution should he screw up through negligence, Captain Picard was no better off than Wesley.

Tell me again why be a Captain?


Because you want to serve. Maybe you missed the part where the Federation was a utopia and in a utopia people not only do what makes them happy, but what serves and makes others happy.
 
F42
2010-05-26 11:59:01 AM
jaylectricity: First, she drags Wesley onto a starship. True, while the Enterprise is designed to be able to accommodate families, it still found itself in harm's way more than once in a while -- once a week, by my count.
The ship was always being taken over by some malevolent force and the Borg may have well have had their own quarters on the ship.

Add to that, he was an "acting" ensign. That sounds like allowing your son to be slave labor -- he had to do all the stuff an ensign had to do, but he didn't get paid.


WTF is wrong with these idiots?

1- I would KILL to live on the Enterprise.

2- THERE IS NO MONEY IN STAR TREK. He got to DRIVE a farkING STARSHIP and they call that a BAD thing? The fark?
 
2010-05-26 11:59:09 AM
xiao_ke: Surprised this guy isn't listed, paralyzing your own son and conjuring a false father-son relationship to steal a kidney isn't enough to make this list?

If we include Lost, the list fills up rather quickly. You can choose between the alcholic surgeon who never gave his son any approval, the con man who threw his son out a window, the mom who turned her daughter over to the police, the guy who refused to leave his dying wife's side, thus orphaning his daughter, and, of course, the woman who stole two infants from their mother (whom she murdered), forcing one to spend eternity guarding a glowing cave.
 
2010-05-26 12:00:05 PM
Oh and Jack Bauer's dad didn't make the list? I know he wasn't a major player on the show but he killed one of his sons to keep him quiet and tried to off Jack as well. Thats pretty bad parenting.

Also Peter and Lois from Family guy make Peg and Al look like parent of the year contenders.
 
2010-05-26 12:00:16 PM
Slaves2Darkness: hasty ambush: MonkeyAngst: Kyndig: I am mildly ashamed that immediately upon reading that I wanted to point out that NOBODY in Starfleet was paid, seeing as the federation had done away with money...

Oh yeah, I'd forgotten about that. I'd filed it away in the category of "really ridiculous stuff about Star Trek that no one really thought through."

So if I understand it correctly a Captain, I presume outside of havingg better quarters and some prestige, recieves no greater compensation than an acting ensign. So for assuming greater responsibilites, with a greater risk of criminal prosecution should he screw up through negligence, Captain Picard was no better off than Wesley.

Tell me again why be a Captain?

Because you want to serve. Maybe you missed the part where the Federation was a utopia and in a utopia people not only do what makes them happy, but what serves and makes others happy.


Nope. Poontang. Even alien poontang. Everyone knows starfleet get the girls. And the women join because they want to be like the men.
 
2010-05-26 12:02:20 PM
F42: WTF is wrong with these idiots?

1- I would KILL to live on the Enterprise.


You would kill to leave in a peaceful society?

/please don't hit me.
 
2010-05-26 12:02:34 PM
damageddude:
BTW, they forget Beverly abandoning Wesley on the Enterprise for a full year while she was at Starfleet medical for a year doing whatever...



I guess that's what happens when you have a producer on the show who sexually harasses one of the stars...

/allegedly...

//wasn't there...
 
F42
2010-05-26 12:04:16 PM
hasty ambush: a greater risk of criminal prosecution should he screw up through negligence

You don't get to be starfleet captain if you're capable of negligence.

But you do get to order people around, you have your own space yacht (which you never ever use because the TV producers are not made of money), you get to meet strange new poon and to fark what no man has farked before.

And you get to blow shiat up.

Oh! And dibs on the holodeck when it's been freshly washed. No stale-cum smell for you.
 
2010-05-26 12:04:25 PM
img697.imageshack.us

1) watches the kids mother kill herself
2) never tells his son the last thing him mother said about him
3) names the kid Conner!!
4) takes the baby on missions to fight demons
5) leaves him in the care of someone who throws him into a hell dimension
6) as a teenager lets him fight demons/vamps alone
7) enters a deal with the devil to wipe the kids mind
 
2010-05-26 12:04:32 PM
The Bundy's should be #1.

Simpsons? Bah. At least they have Marge, she's a damn good Mom.

And where the hell are the Bleuth's?
 
2010-05-26 12:05:30 PM
Dear Mr. listmaker,

Please replace number two with...
images.buddytv.com

KTHXBYE!
 
F42
2010-05-26 12:06:08 PM
Snarfangel: You would kill to leave in a peaceful society?

I'd strangle Jesus with my bare hands to live in ST's workaholic utopia.

We're talking about a world without headaches. I'd kill every last one of you to be there.
 
2010-05-26 12:06:16 PM
Since someone trotted out the Wheaton tag, I would like to mention that I watched S3 of The Guild on Netflix yesterday and he was very funny in it.
 
2010-05-26 12:08:14 PM
i49.tinypic.com
 
2010-05-26 12:08:56 PM
www.boston.com

Before they got a nanny, who the Hell was watching the baby of the bald guy and that chick from the Drew Carey Show when they were drinking at Courtney Cox's house?
 
2010-05-26 12:10:46 PM
lacer.files.wordpress.com
 
2010-05-26 12:11:41 PM
They missed one
images.buddytv.com

He just up and leaves his boys without as little as a note.
 
2010-05-26 12:15:50 PM
TheKnownUniverse: i49.tinypic.com

Hey, at least he cares enough about his kids to make backups.
 
2010-05-26 12:18:12 PM
Came in here for hot pictures of Beverly Crusher. Leaving disappointed. No bunk for me.
 
2010-05-26 12:18:51 PM
legendsrevealed.com

/Come on....
 
2010-05-26 12:21:35 PM
I'm embarrassed that this came from a news station in my city. Not because they're passing judgement on fictional parents, but because (as evidenced here in this thread) most of their pics aren't even close to being the top 5 worst parents on TV. Seriously, there are enough nerds in Portland that they could've done some more research and had a better list than that.
 
2010-05-26 12:31:37 PM
1 post in, and I disagree.

The Bundys may not be the best family, but they're all doggedly loyal to each other. they might be a wee bit more dysfunctional than the average family, but they'll fight tooth nail and claw if any one of them has been wronged.

That's good parenting and a loving family.
 
2010-05-26 12:32:44 PM
Homer Simpson isn't one of the five worst parents of all time. Ok, he's not going to win father of the year. In fact he is probably the last guy who should have kids. But..., uh, let me start over....

He's a dumb ass, and that leads to parenting mistakes. But when his kids really need him, he is usually there for them.

As for the Bundys, Al went to work every single day for little pay at a terrible job that he absolutely hated so that he could support his family (or at least try to). He deserves credit for that. Peggy meanwhile did nothing productive and spent what little money the family had on herself, with no regard for anyone else. She was the terrible parent. Perhaps if Peggy of the kids had shown Al any kind of thanks or even respect instead of treating him like crap (as the rest of the world did), he would not have been so resentful and bitter towards them.
 
2010-05-26 12:35:49 PM
this thread displays a serious lack of Ashley Judd or Christina Applegate pics
 
2010-05-26 12:41:51 PM
www.wvah.com
 
2010-05-26 12:51:41 PM
For all those biatching about there being no money in Star Trek, I'd like to point out the concept of flow (pops). For those too lazy to click the link, the basic concept is that people are happiest when they are immersed in challenging work that is neither too easy nor too stressful. It's been proven by a thing called s-c-i-e-n-c-e.

If you have replicators and the resources and wealth to provide everyone with food, shelter, healthcare, clean water and power, why not? And then let them find the activity that makes them happiest and pursue that work, whether it is being a holodeck programmer or a gardener. The whole "Love thy work, and you will be successful" concept results in not only a happier society but a much more productive and successful one. Look at someone like Mythbusters' Adam Savage as an example. He is more productive in his free time than most people are during 40 or 60 hour workweeks because he has been able to pursue his interests, and learn the skills and knowledge needed to do so. If he'd born into abhorrent poverty, struggling just to survive, he probably would survive due to his genetic intelligence, but he wouldn't be nearly as productive or happy and our society would be much poorer for not having his contributions.

As someone mentioned previously, taking on the responsibility of being a starship captain also comes with the prestige and power. Also, in addition to the happiness one gets from being in flow from their work, they get the innate pleasure of helping others and contributing to society. (Which, contrary to what Fark Randians might have you believe, does exist.

/For anyone interested, I highly recommend any book by Mihály Csíkszentmihályi.
 
2010-05-26 12:59:27 PM
hasty ambush: MonkeyAngst: Kyndig: I am mildly ashamed that immediately upon reading that I wanted to point out that NOBODY in Starfleet was paid, seeing as the federation had done away with money...

Oh yeah, I'd forgotten about that. I'd filed it away in the category of "really ridiculous stuff about Star Trek that no one really thought through."

So if I understand it correctly a Captain, I presume outside of havingg better quarters and some prestige, recieves no greater compensation than an acting ensign. So for assuming greater responsibilites, with a greater risk of criminal prosecution should he screw up through negligence, Captain Picard was no better off than Wesley.

Tell me again why be a Captain?


Power.

Oh, and I haven't finished reading the thread, but someone mentioned that there will always be economics since we will always need to allocate limited resources.

In the Star Trek universe the replicator technology takes energy and turns it into anything you want. So resources are no longer limited. Hook it up to a solar panel and pump out all the gold/diamonds/hookers you want, it doesn't put you ahead in that society. So really there would not be a need for money. Just get everything you want.

Therefore human pursuits would no longer be based on material wants, but intellectual, philosophical, existential improvement. (That, or unending amusement.) I thought it would be neat to see what would happen to humanity if everyone could have all the "stuff" they ever wanted. No more limited resources.

/econ geek, not star trek.
 
2010-05-26 01:03:35 PM
historycat: hasty ambush: MonkeyAngst: Kyndig: I am mildly ashamed that immediately upon reading that I wanted to point out that NOBODY in Starfleet was paid, seeing as the federation had done away with money...

Oh yeah, I'd forgotten about that. I'd filed it away in the category of "really ridiculous stuff about Star Trek that no one really thought through."

So if I understand it correctly a Captain, I presume outside of havingg better quarters and some prestige, recieves no greater compensation than an acting ensign. So for assuming greater responsibilites, with a greater risk of criminal prosecution should he screw up through negligence, Captain Picard was no better off than Wesley.

Tell me again why be a Captain?

Power.

Oh, and I haven't finished reading the thread, but someone mentioned that there will always be economics since we will always need to allocate limited resources.

In the Star Trek universe the replicator technology takes energy and turns it into anything you want. So resources are no longer limited. Hook it up to a solar panel and pump out all the gold/diamonds/hookers you want, it doesn't put you ahead in that society. So really there would not be a need for money. Just get everything you want.

Therefore human pursuits would no longer be based on material wants, but intellectual, philosophical, existential improvement. (That, or unending amusement.) I thought it would be neat to see what would happen to humanity if everyone could have all the "stuff" they ever wanted. No more limited resources.

/econ geek, not star trek.


So why is gold-pressed latinum so valuable?
 
2010-05-26 01:03:56 PM
historycat: Therefore human pursuits would no longer be based on material wants, but intellectual, philosophical, existential improvement. (That, or unending amusement.) I thought it would be neat to see what would happen to humanity if everyone could have all the "stuff" they ever wanted. No more limited resources.

I think there's some early childhood brainwashing or personality-altering drugs going on too. You have 6-year-olds learning Calculus in Star Trek. At that point they're no longer behaving like human beings.
 
2010-05-26 01:11:42 PM
This: I think there's some early childhood brainwashing or personality-altering drugs going on too. You have 6-year-olds learning Calculus in Star Trek. At that point they're no longer behaving like human beings.

This.
 
2010-05-26 01:23:49 PM
historycat:
Tell me again why be a Captain?

Power.

Oh, and I haven't finished reading the thread, but someone mentioned that there will always be economics since we will always need to allocate limited resources.

In the Star Trek universe the replicator technology takes energy and turns it into anything you want. So resources are no longer limited. Hook it up to a solar panel and pump out all the gold/diamonds/hookers you want, it doesn't put you ahead in that society. So really there would not be a need for money. Just get everything you want.

Therefore human pursuits would no longer be based on material wants, but intellectual, philosophical, existential improvement. (That, or unending amusement.) I thought it would be neat to see what would happen to humanity if everyone could have all the "stuff" they ever wanted. No more limited resources.

/econ geek, not star trek.


We simulposted, but I'm happy to see an econ geek take on a similar viewpoint. The econ geeks I know are associated with the Cato Institute, so I doubt they'd see eye to eye with me on ST economics.
 
2010-05-26 01:24:00 PM
Vash's Apprentice: So why is gold-pressed latinum so valuable?

Because the Ferengi's government and entire social structure was based entirely around wealth and accumulation of it, and Latinum is one of the few resources that can't be replicated.
 
2010-05-26 01:25:15 PM
Vash's Apprentice: So why is gold-pressed latinum so valuable?


It's a liquid form of platinum.

'cause it can't be replicated.
 
2010-05-26 01:29:38 PM
Why be a Captain?

//"Shhhh,Nothing compares to holding the reigns"
 
2010-05-26 01:31:54 PM
imfallen_angel: Vash's Apprentice: So why is gold-pressed latinum so valuable?


It's a liquid form of platinum.

'cause it can't be replicated.


So that means whenever they are transacting with the stuff, they have to physically withdraw it from a vault and transport it millions of light years to barter with? Sounds inefficient.
 
2010-05-26 01:36:18 PM
Dumb-Ass-Monkey: 1 post in, and I disagree.

The Bundys may not be the best family, but they're all doggedly loyal to each other. they might be a wee bit more dysfunctional than the average family, but they'll fight tooth nail and claw if any one of them has been wronged.

That's good parenting and a loving family.



WOW! It took this long for someone to say this! The Bundy's, like the Titus', are dysfunctional as hell yes, but lord watch out if you cross them.

Dysfunctional != bad.
/but granted to the uninformed it can look similar.
 
2010-05-26 01:53:11 PM
PsyLord: imfallen_angel: Vash's Apprentice: So why is gold-pressed latinum so valuable?


It's a liquid form of platinum.

'cause it can't be replicated.

So that means whenever they are transacting with the stuff, they have to physically withdraw it from a vault and transport it millions of light years to barter with? Sounds inefficient.


The Ferengi had a really screwed up society. Despite being capable of space travel they didn't let women learn to read or wear clothes. Oh god, I'm a nerd!
 
2010-05-26 02:02:13 PM
devirginizer: historycat:
Tell me again why be a Captain?

Power.

Oh, and I haven't finished reading the thread, but someone mentioned that there will always be economics since we will always need to allocate limited resources.

In the Star Trek universe the replicator technology takes energy and turns it into anything you want. So resources are no longer limited. Hook it up to a solar panel and pump out all the gold/diamonds/hookers you want, it doesn't put you ahead in that society. So really there would not be a need for money. Just get everything you want.

Therefore human pursuits would no longer be based on material wants, but intellectual, philosophical, existential improvement. (That, or unending amusement.) I thought it would be neat to see what would happen to humanity if everyone could have all the "stuff" they ever wanted. No more limited resources.

/econ geek, not star trek.

We simulposted, but I'm happy to see an econ geek take on a similar viewpoint. The econ geeks I know are associated with the Cato Institute, so I doubt they'd see eye to eye with me on ST economics.


Funny, I was taught that the goal of economics was to make limited resources more equitable (depends on the definition of equitable I guess). Modern econ seems to have settled for the Rand give me everything I deserve model. Don't get me started on banks. UGH.
 
2010-05-26 02:09:42 PM
hasty ambush: So if I understand it correctly a Captain, I presume outside of havingg better quarters and some prestige, recieves no greater compensation than an acting ensign. So for assuming greater responsibilites, with a greater risk of criminal prosecution should he screw up through negligence, Captain Picard was no better off than Wesley.

Tell me again why be a Captain?


Yeah, somehow that seems a little off to me. I do remember at least enrollees in Starfleet academy mentioning "credits". I think it was in DS9, but I remember Sisco (or someone) talking about how they used up their transporter credits their first few weeks into the academy transporting for visits home. That implies some form of compensation. I've also heard mention of holodeck credits. Not to mention, starfleet personnel stationed at an outpost (like DSP) purchase items from vendors like Quark. I doubt those drinks/games were on the house. You have to have someone (or something) to trade for Latinum?!?
 
2010-05-26 02:18:48 PM
This: historycat: Therefore human pursuits would no longer be based on material wants, but intellectual, philosophical, existential improvement. (That, or unending amusement.) I thought it would be neat to see what would happen to humanity if everyone could have all the "stuff" they ever wanted. No more limited resources.

I think there's some early childhood brainwashing or personality-altering drugs going on too. You have 6-year-olds learning Calculus in Star Trek. At that point they're no longer behaving like human beings.


I always thought that line was an example of the erroneous line of thinking that goes "300 years ago the average human thought xyz ridiculous thing, therefore in 300 years six year olds will be capable of learning calculus."
 
2010-05-26 02:20:08 PM
Replace the Starship Enterprise-D with DS9 and the Borg with the Dominion, and "The Sisko" is a bad father according to the author. Boo. The Sisko is my favorite TV dad of all time.
 
2010-05-26 02:20:11 PM
AfroX: No wire hangers, ever!

One of my favorite movies. The classic bad movie mother.
 
2010-05-26 02:21:54 PM
Leland says, "You're going to Missoula, Montana."
i41.photobucket.com
 
2010-05-26 02:38:36 PM
Homer is not a communist. He may be a liar, a pig, an idiot, a communist, but he is not a porn star.
 
2010-05-26 02:52:44 PM
Credits/Rations made sense in Voyager where they had limited supplies. I think they did it in DS9 because the holodecks weren't owned by the Federation, or perhaps there were so few of them.

For reference, the Galaxy-class Enterprise has a crew of about 1000 and 16 holodecks. DS9 has a crew listed as 300-1200 (I don't think this lists travelers passing through). Number of holodecks are not listed, but because they are in Quark's the number probably doesn't exceed 3-4.
 
2010-05-26 02:56:20 PM
jaylectricity: Worst Parents On TV No. 4
Don and Betty Draper - 'Mad Men'


I described Mad Men to my mother when it started airing. She said that Don and Betty sounded exactly like the parents of a boy she dated in college: dad worked in advertising in Manhattan and mom stayed at home and drank herself blind in Connecticut.
 
2010-05-26 02:58:55 PM
dervish16108: Replace the Starship Enterprise-D with DS9 and the Borg with the Dominion, and "The Sisko" is a bad father according to the author. Boo. The Sisko is my favorite TV dad of all time.

His career choice got his wife (and thus Jake's mom) killed - I'm pretty sure his wife wasn't crew when she died at Wolf 359.
 
2010-05-26 03:01:09 PM
improvius: List fails without

farm3.static.flickr.com

Came for this. Making a "top 5" list of worst parents on TV is just asking for trouble. Start with 20, at least.

/loves me some AbFab
 
2010-05-26 03:49:14 PM
TheLopper: Homer is not a communist. He may be a liar, a pig, an idiot, a communist, but he is not a porn star.

media.comicvine.com

hot like abe's ear
 
2010-05-26 04:16:28 PM
Sliding Carp: Leland says, "You're going to Missoula, Montana."

Thread over, you win. Feeling stupid that I didn't think of Mr. Palmer.
 
2010-05-26 04:32:57 PM
This dervish16108: Replace the Starship Enterprise-D with DS9 and the Borg with the Dominion, and "The Sisko" is a bad father according to the author. Boo. The Sisko is my favorite TV dad of all time.

His career choice got his wife (and thus Jake's mom) killed - I'm pretty sure his wife wasn't crew when she died at Wolf 359.


His Career choices got him promoted to 1st Officer on the Saratoga, a ship similar to TNG Enterprise in that it had accomodations for the familes of StarFleet personnel. It wasn't his call that put the ship in the firing line of a Borg Cube.
And Jennifer most likely was attracted to him for the same traits that made him a successful Star Fleet officer.

Also F: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Sisko#Deep_Space_Nine (new window)

" Sisko and his son Jake reluctantly take up residence on the station. Recognizing that the then-decrepit station is not an "ideal environment" in which to raise a son, Sisko contemplates resigning his commission. Adding to Sisko's discomfort is the presence of Jean-Luc Picard, who briefs him on his mission. Sisko continues to harbor deep resentment toward Picard for his role, however unwilling, in the death of his wife. "

He was a good enough father to at least consider the implications of his career choices on his family, and regret the consequences of those choices. Which puts him far ahead of the typical "bad parent" sterotype.


Also, Also, Money is allowed in the Federation, but most people on Earth and other developed planets have a high enough standard of living that their basic (and some higher) needs are taken care of without needing to buy anything extra. StarFleet is provided what they need as part of the Scientific, Exploration, Defense contribution of goods and services from individual Federation worlds. Think of NASA being in charge of the DOD, and running it as a not-for-profit organization where all inventions, patents and discoveries (of benefit to society) are placed into the public domain or used to provide capital resources.
 
2010-05-26 05:05:17 PM
Fano: r. The particulars may vary, but competition for limited resources remains a constant. Need as well as greed have followed us to the stars, and the rewards of wealth still await those wise enough to recognize this deep thrumming of our common pulse.

Wow an Alpha Centauri quote. Loved the game but can't say it resonated with my cultural zeitgeist enough to quote it.

And my personal bad dad vote goes to Walter. Kid dies so he steals another one from an alternate universe. Never tells the kid and then farks him up further by spending most of the kid's life in the looney bin. Not to mention, like Dr Crusher, he drags him into harms way weekly.

/close 2nd is for Walternate who wants to use him as a conduit
 
2010-05-26 07:38:00 PM
This: dervish16108: Replace the Starship Enterprise-D with DS9 and the Borg with the Dominion, and "The Sisko" is a bad father according to the author. Boo. The Sisko is my favorite TV dad of all time.

His career choice got his wife (and thus Jake's mom) killed - I'm pretty sure his wife wasn't crew when she died at Wolf 359.


I never understood why his family and presumably other crew families were still on the ship when it went to Wolf 359.
 
2010-05-26 07:40:06 PM
PsyLord: imfallen_angel: Vash's Apprentice: So why is gold-pressed latinum so valuable?


It's a liquid form of platinum.

'cause it can't be replicated.

So that means whenever they are transacting with the stuff, they have to physically withdraw it from a vault and transport it millions of light years to barter with? Sounds inefficient.


No, there are still bank accounts. I would guess that the money is just transferred from account to account the same way we do it now.

Also, Latinum is a liquid, and extremely difficult to deal with unless you like change made with an eyedropper. So, someone came up with the brilliant idea to seal the valuable latinum inside of worthless gold bricks.

/Who Mourns For Morn.
 
2010-05-26 07:41:48 PM
EddieFC: This: dervish16108: Replace the Starship Enterprise-D with DS9 and the Borg with the Dominion, and "The Sisko" is a bad father according to the author. Boo. The Sisko is my favorite TV dad of all time.

His career choice got his wife (and thus Jake's mom) killed - I'm pretty sure his wife wasn't crew when she died at Wolf 359.

I never understood why his family and presumably other crew families were still on the ship when it went to Wolf 359.


No time to drop 'em off.

Remember, the families were still onboard the Enterprise when they faced the borg after Wolf 359. In fact, they evacuated all non-essential personnel and families to the saucer section, separated, and used the saucer section as a second target.

/I made peace with my geekiness long ago.
 
2010-05-26 07:53:53 PM
FirstNationalBastard: EddieFC: This: dervish16108: Replace the Starship Enterprise-D with DS9 and the Borg with the Dominion, and "The Sisko" is a bad father according to the author. Boo. The Sisko is my favorite TV dad of all time.

His career choice got his wife (and thus Jake's mom) killed - I'm pretty sure his wife wasn't crew when she died at Wolf 359.

I never understood why his family and presumably other crew families were still on the ship when it went to Wolf 359.

No time to drop 'em off.

Remember, the families were still onboard the Enterprise when they faced the borg after Wolf 359. In fact, they evacuated all non-essential personnel and families to the saucer section, separated, and used the saucer section as a second target.

/I made peace with my geekiness long ago.


It's been awhile since I've seen BoBW, but I seem to recall Starfleet having some lead time to gather the fleet. The Enterprise crew I understand, but I always thought they could have either shoved all of the families into shuttles and sent them to the closest colony or used the weakest of the 40? starships at Wolf to transport them out. Of course there wouldn't have been a DS9 show if that had happened and clearly I've put too much thought into this.
 
2010-05-26 09:44:55 PM
FirstNationalBastard: EddieFC: This: dervish16108: Replace the Starship Enterprise-D with DS9 and the Borg with the Dominion, and "The Sisko" is a bad father according to the author. Boo. The Sisko is my favorite TV dad of all time.

His career choice got his wife (and thus Jake's mom) killed - I'm pretty sure his wife wasn't crew when she died at Wolf 359.

I never understood why his family and presumably other crew families were still on the ship when it went to Wolf 359.

No time to drop 'em off.

Remember, the families were still onboard the Enterprise when they faced the borg after Wolf 359. In fact, they evacuated all non-essential personnel and families to the saucer section, separated, and used the saucer section as a second target.

/I made peace with my geekiness long ago.


The original plan was to separate the saucer section and send the families to safety. Since Picard/Locutus knew of that strategy, Riker separated the saucer to make it look like they were going to stick to the original plan. As a result Picard ignores the saucer allowing it to use the antimatter spread in a "surprise attack" that isn't so much a second target but a ploy to disguise the third portion and true purpose of the plan, distracting the Borg from Worf and Data's rescue shuttle.

/Never really had a problem with my geekiness.
 
2010-05-27 02:57:11 AM
Dr. Crusher?!?

If we're going with Star Trek, Kirk was a pretty horrible dad.

i17.photobucket.com
 
2010-05-27 04:43:18 AM
If we're going with Star Trek, Janeway and Paris were a pretty horrible parents. I'm not going to expand on this. You - yes, you... I'm pointing at you...know what I mean.

/shivers
 
2010-05-27 07:51:04 AM
I've only seen Married with Children, The Simpsons, and Star Trek so I'll comment on those only.

I don't think Al Bundy was such a bad parent. He works at a job he hates to support the rest of them who are useless, he seems to have affection for his kids even if it shown very rarely, and he does support them in his own way. He's not father of the year by any means but you could have a worse dad than him. Now Peg is pretty useless as a mother no question.

Homer Simpson also isn't totally bad. In one episode where he realizes he will be working at the nucular plant for life he puts up a collage saying "do it for her" which refers to Maggie as I recall. He's not the brightest but he wants his kids to turn out well. His strangling Bart is because Bart deserves it.

Listing Beverly Crusher is just wrong. She seems to have raised Wesley well making him pretty independent despite having no father in the picture.

If we really want to name a bad parent, I'd go after Steven Urkel's parents. They sucked. They apparently never supervised him at all and he was always at the Winslows causing havoc and annoying them. Carl was more of a dad than Urkel's real dad.

I'd also say the parents of Beavis and Butthead for obvious reasons.
 
2010-05-27 09:02:27 AM
Oh, for the parents of toddlers out there:

Max and Ruby's parents win this contest, hands down.
 
2010-05-27 09:45:57 AM
This: Oh, for the parents of toddlers out there:

Max and Ruby's parents win this contest, hands down.


Max and Ruby had parents?
 
2010-05-27 10:17:37 AM
Beverly Crusher had to have made more mistakes than that. That kid went from being an ensign to this:

sweaterwrecks.com
 
2010-05-27 12:36:31 PM
rickycal78: Max and Ruby had parents?

Exactly.
 
2010-05-28 03:25:13 AM
"Rugrats" (1991) TV series 1991-2004

Infants constantly out in the world on their own - especially in the big-screen movies.
 
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