Lost Thought 00: The coverup goes deep. Obama is ordering military personnel to restrict journalist access to public lands on American soil. They don't want you to know how horribly they have underestimated the damage. We may never eat food from the gulf for a decade.



What cover up?
What the hell are you talking about?

Corvus: printboy: Well at least we finally get some good news....

Obama schedules second vacation since oil spill...

The news that President Barack Obama and his family will return to Chicago for the Memorial Day weekend has triggered a guessing game.

Where will they dine? What will they do for fun? With the Sox on the road and the Blackhawks skating into the Stanley Cup finals, might the first family ditch its predictable pastimes -- basketball, golf and tennis -- and go to the United Center for hockey?

According to a White House official, the Obamas will arrive Thursday and stay until Monday, when Obama will participate in a Memorial Day ceremony at Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery in Elwood.

A top adviser to Obama, David Axelrod, recently took in a play at the Goodman Theatre about the civil rights movement, and that has some speculating that the Obamas will show up for "The Good Negro," which is making its Chicago premiere.

/I'm sure Michael Moore will be following him onto the golf course for some insightful serendipity....

Hmmm.

Is the President of the United states:

A) Commander in Chief - Head of all the armed forces
B) Commander of Oil - Head of all Oil Companies.


Which one is he? Think about it...

I guess he has to be both since you made Bush Commander of Meteorology - Head of all acts of Mother Nature....

"Live feed"... isn't it just a loop?

Every now and then, I check the "Show posts from ignored users" checkbox and refresh a thread, just to see what I'm missing.

I invariably sigh and immediately uncheck it.

The "Skandi Neptune" feed at least has a current timestamp.

godxam: Tourney3p0: Next time there's a disaster, the company will know not to bother providing a feed in the first place in order to spare all the internet rage when they turn it off.

I can't believe they showed any of it at any time.

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Here's what I don't understand. Why aren't government lawyers pinning these guys to the wall? They may not have broken any laws, but this is clearly ecological negligence at the purest. This much oil GUSHING into the bottom of the food chain, and not one person has told them "Sorry, but you're not taking down the cameras, the public needs to see this."

Where are the Engineers who might contribute good ideas, hell offer a scholarship to the family who comes up with a solution!

Why aren't any schools tasking their students towards generating ideas? Oh right, we taught them not to think.

If we damage the deposit any further, we'll be asking for help from every other country, just to dam off the entire Gulf of Mexico at Florida, before this mess enters the global current stream.

Now they want to shut down the public feed camera, less than 5 days after activation, until the top-kill method is "complete". Not attempted. Complete.

So we what? Just sit while another $350 million spews into the Ocean?

Apparently they don't own "all" of the well either. BP shares ownership with Anadarko Petroleum and Japan's Mitsui.

If so, where are these other guys and why aren't they assisting?

Tourney3p0: SQLInjector:

Yes it's better to let them operate in the dark- that's the only way forward

//[not sure if serious.jpg]

Yes it is.. better for them, at least.

I was going to say that I can't believe you people can't comprehend it, but no. I fully believe you can't comprehend it.

What do you mean "you people"?

SQLInjector:
What do you mean "you people"?

People who have trouble understanding the most basic of concepts.

BuckTurgidson: The "Skandi Neptune" feed at least has a current timestamp.

The oil looks a lot darker than I remember.

Tourney3p0: SQLInjector:
What do you mean "you people"?

People who have trouble understanding the most basic of concepts.

What do you mean "basic of concepts"?

I understand how to read,how to eat,these seem like basic concepts to me.

Not to flatter myself- but I daresay I've mastered more advanced concepts like- driving, and operating a computer.

So where are these people you've found who don't understand basic concepts?

FredaDeStilleto: BuckTurgidson: The "Skandi Neptune" feed at least has a current timestamp.

The oil looks a lot darker than I remember.

Hard to say - maybe from further away, the light doesn't reflect the brown as well? Water absorbs red light.

This is Obama's Shaniqua

I'm gonna go with BP on this call. When I worked on cars, I hated to have the owner standing over my shoulder. Kind of like making sausage, mechanical repairs are something a layman would be better off not seeing, and I know from personal experience a mechanic doesn't want the owner watching.

Let these guys work. Believe it or not, the boots on the ground didn't make the regulations or the command decisions that caused this problem, but they're the ones who have to fix it. They don't need their elbows jostled.

/the gutting of regulations that created the possibility for this disaster were among the first things dubya did in 2001. It was at the top of his to-do list
//but keep trying to push this off Obama, neocons

1 things for sure...Jon Stewart & Stephen Colbert are going to have another field day eh. ;)

Dubai Vol: I'm gonna go with BP on this call. When I worked on cars, I hated to have the owner standing over my shoulder. Kind of like making sausage, mechanical repairs are something a layman would be better off not seeing, and I know from personal experience a mechanic doesn't want the owner watching.

Let these guys work. Believe it or not, the boots on the ground didn't make the regulations or the command decisions that caused this problem, but they're the ones who have to fix it. They don't need their elbows jostled.

/the gutting of regulations that created the possibility for this disaster were among the first things dubya did in 2001. It was at the top of his to-do list
//but keep trying to push this off Obama, neocons

Is deregulation easier for a president to do than regulation?

Corvus: The blame in Katrina was about (not) using FEMA, not that the tornado happened. - You know "FEMA" - The Federal Emergency Management Agency which Bush is ultimately in charge of.

Obama last I checked is not the head of BP.

I would agree with you, if you actually remembered that it was a hurricane not a tornado.

Jungblood: Dubai Vol:
/the gutting of regulations that created the possibility for this disaster were among the first things dubya did in 2001. It was at the top of his to-do list
//but keep trying to push this off Obama, neocons

Is deregulation easier for a president to do than regulation?

I'll take "it wasn't at the top of Obama's "to do" list for a trillion, Alex.

/kind of like catching Bin Laden wasn't at the top of Dubya's list when he was sworn in

Dubai Vol: When I worked on cars, I hated to have the owner standing over my shoulder.

Ok, I'll bite:

How will keeping the feed open hinder their work? We're not physically there to pester them/hover.

Dubai Vol: Jungblood: Dubai Vol:
/the gutting of regulations that created the possibility for this disaster were among the first things dubya did in 2001. It was at the top of his to-do list
//but keep trying to push this off Obama, neocons

Is deregulation easier for a president to do than regulation?

I'll take "it wasn't at the top of Obama's "to do" list for a trillion, Alex.

/kind of like catching Bin Laden wasn't at the top of Dubya's list when he was sworn in

Observer Effect?

Unfortunately, the server is located a mile under the ocean, and the remote login service is unresponsive due to the load imposed by the massive quantity of embarrassing video still gushing out of the two network interfaces BP has not been able to shut down.

In regulatory filings, BP described the risk of getting farked as "negligible", and was not required to install a server fencing system like the ones required in North Sea streaming video servers. BP is continuing to drill a relief well to intersect the fiber optic link under the sea floor, but this process is expected to take 3 months.

BP and Transocean have blamed the disaster on Halliburton contractors who were working on the firewall configuration shortly before port 80 exploded, sending a flaming metaphor for hubris through the NOC, killing 9 sysadmins and 2 developers while BP executives were on site celebrating 7 years without the consequences of their callous indifference making international news.

ca1v1n: Unfortunately, the server is located a mile under the ocean, and the remote login service is unresponsive due to the load imposed by the massive quantity of embarrassing video still gushing out of the two network interfaces BP has not been able to shut down.

In regulatory filings, BP described the risk of getting farked as "negligible", and was not required to install a server fencing system like the ones required in North Sea streaming video servers. BP is continuing to drill a relief well to intersect the fiber optic link under the sea floor, but this process is expected to take 3 months.

BP and Transocean have blamed the disaster on Halliburton contractors who were working on the firewall configuration shortly before port 80 exploded, sending a flaming metaphor for hubris through the NOC, killing 9 sysadmins and 2 developers while BP executives were on site celebrating 7 years without the consequences of their callous indifference making international news.

Nice one!

The blame that dubya so richly deserved for Katrina was because he appointed a completely unqualified political crony to head FEMA.

/smart presidents don't micromanage: see Operation Eagle Claw
//stupid presidents can't micromanage: see Iran-Contra

Waaaait for iiiit...

KWPLunchbox: ALIENS

Oh, snap!

/sorry, my kids love Bolt.

uncletogie: Dubai Vol: When I worked on cars, I hated to have the owner standing over my shoulder.

Ok, I'll bite:

How will keeping the feed open hinder their work? We're not physically there to pester them/hover.

As much as I want to watch this live, even more do I want it to succeed.

If taking the "whole world is watching" pressure off the robot drivers (and everyone else) helps get the job done right, I'm happy to wait and watch the video later.

ca1v1n: Unfortunately, the server is located a mile under the ocean, and the remote login service is unresponsive due to the load imposed by the massive quantity of embarrassing video still gushing out of the two network interfaces BP has not been able to shut down.

In regulatory filings, BP described the risk of getting farked as "negligible", and was not required to install a server fencing system like the ones required in North Sea streaming video servers. BP is continuing to drill a relief well to intersect the fiber optic link under the sea floor, but this process is expected to take 3 months.

BP and Transocean have blamed the disaster on Halliburton contractors who were working on the firewall configuration shortly before port 80 exploded, sending a flaming metaphor for hubris through the NOC, killing 9 sysadmins and 2 developers while BP executives were on site celebrating 7 years without the consequences of their callous indifference making international news.

Winnar!

Therion: watching the stream - did something different/unusual just happen?

Seriously. I came back in the room, looked in to see what was up, and the entire screen's filled with a giant cloud of what I assume is methane.

Therion: plume go boom.

Whoa!

Therion: watching the stream - did something different/unusual just happen?

I was wondering the same thing; it's a completely different view, maybe, than the one I was looking at yesterday, and this has been looking rather extra-violent.

halcyon thought: Therion: watching the stream - did something different/unusual just happen?

Seriously. I came back in the room, looked in to see what was up, and the entire screen's filled with a giant cloud of what I assume is methane.

You ain't kidding. Anyone see what happened?

I didnt pay perfect attention earlier, but I think the ROV's at a different depth.

Would make sense.

muck4doo: You ain't kidding. Anyone see what happened?

It was very bright, and there was a *lot* of debris floating upwards towards the left; and a big cloud that looked like pyroclastic flow came right at the camera, then it was black, then it cleared up a little bit and has a little bit less debris.

uncletogie: Dubai Vol: When I worked on cars, I hated to have the owner standing over my shoulder.

Ok, I'll bite:

How will keeping the feed open hinder their work? We're not physically there to pester them/hover.

OK, I'll try to 'splain. No, it would take too long, lemme sum up:

This is a tricky operation with a substantial risk of failure. These guys have enough pressure on them without the added pressure of having the world looking over their shoulder.

Is your pointless desire to be a voyeur worth reducing the chance of success of this operation?

Debris swirling around like crazy

muck4doo: halcyon thought: Therion: watching the stream - did something different/unusual just happen?

Seriously. I came back in the room, looked in to see what was up, and the entire screen's filled with a giant cloud of what I assume is methane.

You ain't kidding. Anyone see what happened?

Missed it, dangit.

It'd be funny as hell if there was some subsurface collapse that fixes the whole problem.

/ not that I expect that....

Correction: The "Alt" is different. Not the D, which I assume is depth. So, yeah, back to "Wtf happened?"

Didn't see it happen, but just brought the feed back up and it does look like there was an explosion or mega-expulsion, whole screen is filled with swirling vortex of opaque debris

Nineinchnosehair: muck4doo: You ain't kidding. Anyone see what happened?

It was very bright, and there was a *lot* of debris floating upwards towards the left; and a big cloud that looked like pyroclastic flow came right at the camera, then it was black, then it cleared up a little bit and has a little bit less debris.

Weird.

halcyon thought: Correction: The "Alt" is different. Not the D, which I assume is depth. So, yeah, back to "Wtf happened?"

Hdg has changed as well, which I would assume is heading...

This looks bad.

Dubai Vol: This is a tricky operation with a substantial risk of failure. These guys have enough pressure on them without the added pressure of having the world looking over their shoulder.

....

...like the world isn't watching them like hawks right now anyway?!?

Raging against engineers and suits alike?

Hollering for their heads?

If you can't focus because "people are watching", you must regularly fark up your job, and have no business fixing something of this magnitude to begin with.

/ wanna see some cool cool heads implementing this.

Did the insertion tube blow out? Was it in before?