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(Talking Points Memo)   Unimpeachable source claims Cheney and Petraus discussed a coup d'etat. And, yes, technically you can't be impeached if you've resigned   (tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 91
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2010-05-24 04:21:30 PM
Why shouldn't we TEE HEE believe Massa? Cheney and Petraeus OH OW
could have been conspiring AH HA all along HEE HEE oh okay -
TICKLEFIGHT!!!!
 
2010-05-24 04:26:16 PM
Its treason to run for president if you're a General?

Remember Eisenhower?
 
2010-05-24 04:28:59 PM
You can't?

Article II: The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

imgs.xkcd.com
 
2010-05-24 04:35:20 PM
Not exactly the 1932 plot against FDR, spanky.
 
2010-05-24 04:47:29 PM
Is there any reason a soldier's name can't be on the ballot? Certainly he can be ordered to war which stops him from active campaigning, but it doesn't seem treasonous to participate in the process........
 
2010-05-24 04:48:01 PM
If he'd have changed that to "Obama and Petraus", Glenn Beck just might have given him a second chance.
 
2010-05-24 04:53:34 PM
Is it illegal for someone in active duty to run for office? That's not rhetorical, either. I'm honestly asking, because I don't know.
 
2010-05-24 04:54:31 PM
secret meetings between General David Petraeus and Dick Cheney in which the former Vice President encouraged Petraeus to run for President ... "the functional equivalent of the political overthrow of the commander in chief."

Yes, because being democratically elected by the citizens is the exact same thing as a Coupe D'Etat.
The same way that a secret muslim was able to cede control of the US Government to Hamas, Al-Qaida and the Black Panthers.
 
2010-05-24 04:56:13 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Cheney had his own James Bond style volcano island lair...but this story seems a bit TOO over the top, y'know?
 
2010-05-24 05:00:41 PM
Psycho
 
2010-05-24 05:02:00 PM
GreenAdder: Is it illegal for someone in active duty to run for office? That's not rhetorical, either. I'm honestly asking, because I don't know.

pretty sure it would probably fall into serving 2 branches of the government at the same time

also pretty CERTAIN that you can not hold ANY PUBLIC OFFICE while on active duty. PERIOD

he would retire and then run for president

pretty CERTAIN, that talking to him about this is covered under free speech FFS

/god this guy is a complete wack jorb
 
2010-05-24 05:02:43 PM
GreenAdder: Is it illegal for someone in active duty to run for office? That's not rhetorical, either. I'm honestly asking, because I don't know.

The only thing I can think of, is that it would be hard to avoid violating Article 88* of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, "Contempt Towards Officials," by campaigning against a sitting President.

*Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
 
2010-05-24 05:07:13 PM
I find this story to be suspect at best.

...Not that I think that Cheney wouldn't freeze himself just before death so that he can be revived to run again sometime in the future, but still.
 
2010-05-24 05:08:07 PM
Sgt Otter: the Secretary of Transportation

Wait, what?
 
2010-05-24 05:11:30 PM
Uh, something is weird here. Is Massa suggesting that Petraus could have run against Romney, Huckabee, McCain, 9iu11iani, Tancredo, Paul, et. al and gotten the GOP nomination? While George W. Bush, a Republican, was President?

Maybe he would have, maybe not. Ok. Pretty tarnished brand.

But somehow registered voters, most of them GOP, duly voting for him and nominating him--and then a general election during which the electorate could make a duly informed decision--then taking the oath of office transferring control from one GOP President to another...that's somehow overthrowing the government?

Call me when the shuttle lands.
 
2010-05-24 05:13:24 PM
Sgt Otter: The only thing I can think of, is that it would be hard to avoid violating Article 88* of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, "Contempt Towards Officials," by campaigning against a sitting President.

Maybe, but that's a complete stretch.

Also, the dude would have stepped down before announcing his campaign. Non-story.
 
2010-05-24 05:14:48 PM
Somacandra: Uh, something is weird here. Is Massa suggesting that Petraus could have run against Romney, Huckabee, McCain, 9iu11iani, Tancredo, Paul, et. al and gotten the GOP nomination? While George W. Bush, a Republican, was President?

I think he's talking about 2004, and campaigning against the incumbent and Republican Bush.
 
2010-05-24 05:18:03 PM
Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Sgt Otter: the Secretary of Transportation

Wait, what?


Before they were re-organized post 9/11, The United States Coast Guard fell under DOT.
 
2010-05-24 05:18:40 PM
Seems like a ticklish situation.
 
2010-05-24 05:23:55 PM
rcain: secret meetings between General David Petraeus and Dick Cheney in which the former Vice President encouraged Petraeus to run for President ... "the functional equivalent of the political overthrow of the commander in chief."

Yes, because being democratically elected by the citizens is the exact same thing as a Coupe D'Etat.


I had a Ford Coupe D'Etat. I couldn't go anywhere without it overthrowing a small country.
 
2010-05-24 05:29:23 PM
downstairs: Its treason to run for president if you're a General?

Remember Eisenhower?


Or Washington, Jackson, Harrison, Taylor, Pierce, Johnson, Grant, Hayes, Garfield, Arthur and the other Harrison
 
2010-05-24 05:36:42 PM
namatad: also pretty CERTAIN that you can not hold ANY PUBLIC OFFICE while on active duty. PERIOD

In Wisconsin, at least the Assembly reps can (see Mark Gundrum)
 
2010-05-24 05:47:52 PM
jonasborg: In Wisconsin, at least the Assembly reps can (see Mark Gundrum)

Also Scott Suder and Roger Roth
 
2010-05-24 05:49:40 PM
downstairs: I think he's talking about 2004, and campaigning against the incumbent and Republican Bush.

WUT.
 
2010-05-24 05:52:50 PM
downstairs: Somacandra: Uh, something is weird here. Is Massa suggesting that Petraus could have run against Romney, Huckabee, McCain, 9iu11iani, Tancredo, Paul, et. al and gotten the GOP nomination? While George W. Bush, a Republican, was President?

I think he's talking about 2004, and campaigning against the incumbent and Republican Bush.


In 2004, Petraeus was the two-star division commander of the 101st Airborne Division, and a complete unknown outside of the Army.
 
2010-05-24 06:05:21 PM
namatad: also pretty CERTAIN that you can not hold ANY PUBLIC OFFICE while on active duty. PERIOD

I swear i've heard a story of someone who did just that. I think it was a pennsylvania state rep? Maybe it was someone in the federal house, I'm not sure. I could be wrong, however.
 
2010-05-24 06:36:36 PM
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Can Some Boot Strappy Farker Make This A 4 way with the General and former VP?
 
2010-05-24 06:39:11 PM
a dem-o-rat who tickles?

is the source?

geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

not even passing the smell test
 
2010-05-24 06:40:44 PM
I would think it would be pretty hard to run for President while still being a general. I would hope that he would resign his position before announcing his candidacy since, well, he'd be spending quite a lot of time badmouthing the policies of his superior.

Of course, him winning a democratically held election is nothing like a coup d'etat and Eric Massa is a dumbass. But, that's beside the point.
 
2010-05-24 06:40:49 PM
. . . That's not a coup d'etat, that's called winning an election.
 
2010-05-24 06:45:22 PM
Would he win though? I'm not sure I agree with that assertion.
 
2010-05-24 06:51:04 PM
I heard there was one admiral that abstained from putting in a bet on the Preakness.
 
2010-05-24 06:52:10 PM
demo-rats in a smear test

yep it worked

nov must be comming fast
 
2010-05-24 06:52:12 PM
OK who is stupider Massa or the idiots who elected him?
 
2010-05-24 06:52:34 PM
I guess Massa isn't getting enough attention from naked Chief of Staffs these days.
 
2010-05-24 06:55:08 PM
GreenAdder: Is it illegal for someone in active duty to run for office? That's not rhetorical, either. I'm honestly asking, because I don't know.

Yes. 10 U.S.C. § 973(b).

Link (new window)

There's also DOD Directive 1344.10. (new window)
 
2010-05-24 06:58:16 PM
dem-o-rats in a tickle
 
2010-05-24 06:59:19 PM
Howard Finkelstein: Is there any reason a soldier's name can't be on the ballot? Certainly he can be ordered to war which stops him from active campaigning, but it doesn't seem treasonous to participate in the process........

Normal soldiers can't, but Marine Core soldiers get special dispensation from their wives.
 
2010-05-24 06:59:29 PM
RemyDuron: . . . That's not a coup d'etat, that's called winning an election.

No kidding. What a stupid choice of words.
 
2010-05-24 07:00:53 PM
Got to hand it to the liberals. When they go stupid, they really toss their whole ass into the boat. Massa is one crazy stupid farking mofo. Too bad he has failed killing himself, twice....pond scum from the shallow end of the gene pool.
 
2010-05-24 07:04:24 PM
winterwhile: ...

Honest question, do you get bites? Ever?

What do you gain from these comments?
 
2010-05-24 07:07:59 PM
winterwhile: a dem-o-rat who tickles?

is the source?

geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

not even passing the smell test


I know...I can smell you even though the interwebs. So I can see why something can't pass your smell test.
 
2010-05-24 07:08:04 PM
<eyeroll>

Just go away, Massa, you goddamn disgrace...
 
2010-05-24 07:08:59 PM
winterwhile: dem-o-rats in a tickle

Was that a troll? It was almost too weak to live on its own, Im not sure what to make of it... perhaps it has super-herpes.
 
2010-05-24 07:09:22 PM
bulldg4life: winterwhile: ...

Honest question, do you get bites? Ever?

What do you gain from these comments?


geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee e eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
 
2010-05-24 07:11:52 PM
bulldg4life: winterwhile: ...

Honest question, do you get bites? Ever?

What do you gain from these comments?


More specifically, how do you manage to type and huff at the same time?
 
2010-05-24 07:12:54 PM
Keep grasping at straws to make up for then election day regret.
 
2010-05-24 07:13:47 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com (new window)
 
2010-05-24 07:16:08 PM
El Pachuco: bulldg4life: winterwhile: ...

Honest question, do you get bites? Ever?

What do you gain from these comments?

More specifically, how do you manage to type and huff at the same time?


Must take some talent.
 
2010-05-24 07:17:53 PM
"it is the functional equivalent of the political overthrow of the commander in chief."

Ummmmmmm...what? We politically overthrow our commander in chief all the goddamned time. Did Eisenhower overthrow Truman? Did Grant overthrow Johnson? Jackson overthrow JQ Adams?

The only time I can think of this having been a problem was when MacArthur threatened to run for president if we didn't nuke farking China.
 
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