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(ABC)   Flint, Michigan mayor claims rash of arson fires work of terrorists, laid-off fire fighters or both   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 75
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2010-05-21 05:35:49 PM  
So...Flint is in charred ruins?

How can they tell?
 
2010-05-21 05:51:57 PM  
It's a little early for Devil's Night...yes, yes?
 
2010-05-21 06:05:29 PM  
The mayor won't say who he believes is behind the arson spree, but said he doesn't believe members of Flint's fire department were involved.

...
"It is an individual or group of individuals who have a certain level of training, a certain lack of fear of fire," Walling said. "Often multiple fires are set within the same structure... When I say training it means somebody who understands - whether it means from an engineering or architectural or military perspective. Those initial arsons were not someone paid by a gang member."

...

As soon as the laid off firefighters returned to work, the number of fires began to trickle from six to 10 a day to three or four, officials said.

Yeah, GFY Mr. Mayor. It just sorta happened when firefighters got laid off, it's far more professionally done than you would expect, and it's dwindling as you rehire. fark you and fark your firefighters. They're crooks you lying gas bag. I actually hope the mayor, the head of the firefighters union, and the people who are responsible for this really do die in a fire.
 
2010-05-21 06:54:22 PM  
White people live in Flint?
 
2010-05-21 06:54:29 PM  
www.movieactors.com


Why Axe, why?
 
2010-05-21 06:54:38 PM  
Well, it's named "Flint"!
 
2010-05-21 06:55:01 PM  
I know Grand Funk Railroad is from there. So now that's 2 things I know about Flint.
 
2010-05-21 06:55:40 PM  
drjekel_mrhyde: White people live in Flint?

Why do people do anything?
 
2010-05-21 06:56:45 PM  
Laid-doff terrorist firefighters?
 
2010-05-21 06:58:52 PM  
153 of 202 fires since March?! Holy hell, are they running background checks on firefighters before hiring them?
 
2010-05-21 06:59:59 PM  
FTFA:

"It is an individual or group of individuals who have a certain level of training, a certain lack of fear of fire," Walling said. "Often multiple fires are set within the same structure... When I say training it means somebody who understands - whether it means from an engineering or architectural or military perspective. Those initial arsons were not someone paid by a gang member."

Walling's insinuation has infuriated the city's firefighters union.



I'll give the Mayor credit, he's the first politician I've seen in a long time who's not a total farking moron.
 
2010-05-21 07:00:32 PM  
ivan: I know Grand Funk Railroad is from there. So now that's 2 things I know about Flint.

I know this lady there that sells rabbits, for pets or meat.
 
2010-05-21 07:02:37 PM  
FTFA: A handful of arrests have been made in connection with the fires, including gang members and people scavenging abandoned buildings for cooper and metal.

Fires aside, I hope they find this Cooper guy that's gone missing.
 
2010-05-21 07:03:23 PM  
FTA: "A string of suspicious fires that hit the battered city of Flint, Mich."


Battered and fried?

/tasty
 
2010-05-21 07:03:43 PM  
Knucklepopper: 153 of 202 fires since March?! Holy hell, are they running background checks on firefighters before hiring them?

Why? The mayor has already said this isn't the work of those brave, brave city firefighters, and they have already arrested a number of suspicious poor people, so let's just all rest easy.
 
2010-05-21 07:06:39 PM  
strathmeyer: Knucklepopper: 153 of 202 fires since March?! Holy hell, are they running background checks on firefighters before hiring them?

Why? The mayor has already said this isn't the work of those brave, brave city firefighters, and they have already arrested a number of suspicious poor people, so let's just all rest easy.



To be concise, it's not the work of the firemen who still have jobs.

It's the work of suspicious poor firemen who no longer have jobs.
 
2010-05-21 07:06:50 PM  
outatime: FTFA: A handful of arrests have been made in connection with the fires, including gang members and people scavenging abandoned buildings for cooper and metal.

Fires aside, I hope they find this Cooper guy that's gone missing.


Damnit, ya bastard, I wanted to point that out.
 
2010-05-21 07:06:58 PM  
 
2010-05-21 07:07:45 PM  

...those damn TERRORISTS!

(firefighters)
 
2010-05-21 07:08:05 PM  
Insurgent freedom fighters should never be confused with terrorists.

/WOLVERINES
 
2010-05-21 07:08:33 PM  
Sorry I got so drunk at the secret meeting guys. I'm having a hard time remembering the details so can someone please remind me when the walls going up around Michigan?

Thanks.
 
2010-05-21 07:10:14 PM  
www.definitivejux.net
 
2010-05-21 07:10:20 PM  
Sleeper cell terrorists that were employed as firemen?
 
2010-05-21 07:11:33 PM  
Geeze, was I not mocked by one poster when I warned of Michirabia becoming a terrorist zone>?

It was one post people, nothing to get a flame over.

Anyrate, take back your country. Britain has already lost Europe to the mid-east. You did not know that? Well, as with Japan, China, Korea's, the US, the media is being blocked.
 
2010-05-21 07:11:52 PM  
Nocens: To be concise, it's not the work of the firemen who still have jobs.

It's the work of suspicious poor firemen who no longer have jobs.


And also happen to be gang members???

So, it's not their fault that they got fired and had to start fires?
 
2010-05-21 07:13:34 PM  
Ah, Flint. The only city in the United States that makes Detroit look good.
 
2010-05-21 07:16:50 PM  
Wanted for questioning:
www.digitalcontentproducer.com
 
2010-05-21 07:17:33 PM  
I was up there and saw one of the smokers going from a distance.
 
2010-05-21 07:18:08 PM  
Terrorists? So now they are doing the US favors?
 
2010-05-21 07:18:28 PM  
They are gonna knock down 10,000 wrecked houses anyway. Where are all the rats gonna go?
 
2010-05-21 07:19:33 PM  
MaxxLarge:
So...Flint is in charred ruins?

How can they tell?


Because it is a vast improvement?

/Been to Flint.
//Ick.
 
2010-05-21 07:21:07 PM  
strathmeyer: Nocens: To be concise, it's not the work of the firemen who still have jobs.

It's the work of suspicious poor firemen who no longer have jobs.

And also happen to be gang members???

So, it's not their fault that they got fired and had to start fires?



Gotta find some way to stay warm when you can't pay the heating bill.

Global warming isn't quite here yet to save these poor souls. They have to do what they can until the arrival of the "Promised Day by Scientific Consensus."
 
2010-05-21 07:23:11 PM  
The_Sponge: It's a little early for Devil's Night...yes, yes?

I spent my first Devil's night (officially Angel's night) in Detroit last year. I live across the street from Engine No. 5 (2 engines, ladder truck, and EMS). I did not see them all night, usually they are not busy and parked at home from 11pm-8am. No city worker was allowed to take the day off. The city is so short on cops they had the Dept. of Water and Sewage repair trucks driving around my neighborhood like cops. It was surreal.
 
2010-05-21 07:23:53 PM  
Sounds like the Fed needs to go in and clean house a-la Buddy Yancey (sp?) in RI.
 
2010-05-21 07:24:19 PM  
Ringtailed79: drjekel_mrhyde: White people live in Flint?

Why do people do anything?


pix.motivatedphotos.com

/the more you know...
 
2010-05-21 07:27:40 PM  
It sounds to me like someone(s) has the right idea.
I remember living there and thinking, "Someone needs to burn this sh*thole to the ground." And that was 15 years ago.
 
2010-05-21 07:30:41 PM  
It's a shame they didn't burn the houses all the way to the ground. Now they are going to be left to rot.
 
2010-05-21 07:34:38 PM  
As someone currently working on a research grant to improve policing in Flint, I'm getting a kick... out of seeing Flint and its mayor on Fark!

/trying to train some community police officers to re-establish neighborhood patrols, community policing, etc.
//deindustrialization is a real biatch.
 
2010-05-21 07:34:59 PM  
MaxxLarge: So...Flint is in charred ruins?

How can they tell?


It's was warm for a little while. The fires provided heat for the people of flint for once.
 
2010-05-21 07:36:35 PM  
So if they want to start new fires, they'll need a new Flint?
 
2010-05-21 07:40:59 PM  
Firefighters burning their own town?
Must be img60.exs.cx!
 
2010-05-21 07:44:04 PM  
The other day I went over to my friends house. His little girl was hiding and jumped out and scared me. So doing the right thing against someone who "incites terror" I pulled out my concealed weapon (Thanks to my state issued CHL) and put 2 in her head.

That sure showed that terrorist!
 
2010-05-21 07:45:01 PM  
Ringtailed79: drjekel_mrhyde: White people live in Flint?

Why do people do anything?


Wait I am talking about from the picture
 
2010-05-21 07:45:10 PM  
Arson(In Flintshiat, Michigan)= Urban Renewal
 
2010-05-21 07:54:36 PM  
spartywrx: The_Sponge: It's a little early for Devil's Night...yes, yes?

I spent my first Devil's night (officially Angel's night) in Detroit last year. I live across the street from Engine No. 5 (2 engines, ladder truck, and EMS). I did not see them all night, usually they are not busy and parked at home from 11pm-8am. No city worker was allowed to take the day off. The city is so short on cops they had the Dept. of Water and Sewage repair trucks driving around my neighborhood like cops. It was surreal.



:-O
 
2010-05-21 08:01:07 PM  
I attend Kettering University (in Flint) and these replies are giving me a sad. Flint is screwed. I am so glad I am on the way out and not stuck here.
IMHO it is the firemen starting these fires. The fires started the same day as the lay-off and they haven't stopped since March. I really didn't think there was so much left in this city to burn. Surprise! I've said too much.
 
2010-05-21 08:06:29 PM  
So Flint has a volunteer fire department, then?

/i keed, i keed.
//started off as a volunteer.
 
2010-05-21 08:13:25 PM  
Nocens: FTFA:

"I'll give the Mayor credit, he's the first politician I've seen in a long time who's not a total farking moron.


You obviously don't live in Flint. Walling's a total moran. He's also laid off police officers to the point that shots fired calls are answered 30 - 40 minutes after the call.
I'm waiting for him to blame the laid off cops for the increased shootings.

/Lived in Flint all my life.
//Yeah, I'm white.
 
2010-05-21 08:18:40 PM  
I probably know you SpartanDave. I live near Kearsley Park. What about you?

Thread jack sorry.
 
2010-05-21 08:19:25 PM  
I think I played this scenario in SimCity 2000.
 
2010-05-21 08:25:41 PM  
I probably know you SpartanDave. I live near Kearsley Park. What about you?

Thread jack sorry.


I was just kidding about knowing SpartanDave. I know very few people here. People are kinda scary here. Lots of HATE.
 
2010-05-21 08:31:06 PM  
153 arsons in 7-8 weeks in a city with a pop of 125k? Crazy. They don't deserve to get rehired, none of them. The ones that aren't participating know who are. When they can hire more guys, make em new, fresh blood...screw those guys.

My city of 150k has been dealing with firefighter layoff stuff for the last year or so...debating closing houses or shrinking crews or making one person on each crew a volunteer, and I doubt we have 153 fires total in a year. Ridiculous.
 
2010-05-21 08:33:10 PM  
Spartan Dave: Nocens: FTFA:

"I'll give the Mayor credit, he's the first politician I've seen in a long time who's not a total farking moron.

You obviously don't live in Flint. Walling's a total moran. He's also laid off police officers to the point that shots fired calls are answered 30 - 40 minutes after the call.
I'm waiting for him to blame the laid off cops for the increased shootings.

/Lived in Flint all my life.
//Yeah, I'm white.



My apologies, I'll happily concede my ignorance to the voice of the locals.
 
2010-05-21 09:03:17 PM  
MaxxLarge: So...Flint is in charred ruins?

How can they tell?


Done in one.
 
2010-05-21 09:11:52 PM  
fouronine 2010-05-21 09:03:17 PM
MaxxLarge: So...Flint is in charred ruins?

How can they tell?

Done in one.


It's a bit late to be 'done in one'. Just sayin'.
 
2010-05-21 09:13:16 PM  
Gee, look how far we've come since 9/11.

Now the firefighters are the terrorists.

Wow Flint, thanks for that nice new low for 'Murica.
 
2010-05-21 09:20:58 PM  
Despite being fired, Detroit's firefighters perform a public service.
 
2010-05-21 09:46:02 PM  
ShillinTheVillain: Wanted for questioning:

Came for this and was prepared to take the bullet if it came to it.

He also likes battered rabbits.
 
2010-05-21 09:53:55 PM  
The bankers crash the stock market when ever they want to be bailed out of their bad loans. Firefighters setting fires when the tax money runs dry to pay them. Hmmm... Wonder what the military industrial complex and the intelligence agencies have been doing to insure their funding over the last 60 years or so?
 
2010-05-21 10:12:01 PM  
Michigan...

The only reason it's shaped like a mitten is for quick facepalm action.

/MI resident
 
2010-05-21 10:16:24 PM  
House of Tards: The mayor won't say who he believes is behind the arson spree, but said he doesn't believe members of Flint's fire department were involved.

...
"It is an individual or group of individuals who have a certain level of training, a certain lack of fear of fire," Walling said. "Often multiple fires are set within the same structure... When I say training it means somebody who understands - whether it means from an engineering or architectural or military perspective. Those initial arsons were not someone paid by a gang member."

...

As soon as the laid off firefighters returned to work, the number of fires began to trickle from six to 10 a day to three or four, officials said.

Yeah, GFY Mr. Mayor. It just sorta happened when firefighters got laid off, it's far more professionally done than you would expect, and it's dwindling as you rehire. fark you and fark your firefighters. They're crooks you lying gas bag. I actually hope the mayor, the head of the firefighters union, and the people who are responsible for this really do die in a fire.


On the other hand, wouldn't a professional arsonist, or a psycho who loves fire, ALSO have a "certain knowledge" of how to set a fire, and a "lack of fear" of the fire?

Just saying.
 
2010-05-21 10:17:56 PM  
swahnhennessy: Despite being fired, Detroit's firefighters perform a public service.

Idle hands are the devils playground.
 
2010-05-21 10:46:39 PM  
MaxxLarge: So...Flint is in charred ruins?

How can they tell?


There was thousands of dollars in improvements?

Also...

aroundthebend213.files.wordpress.com

It's been done.
 
2010-05-21 11:19:46 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

LOL

/Couldn't find any good pics of Flint tats on the Spartans :(
 
2010-05-21 11:44:48 PM  
Gyrfalcon: On the other hand, wouldn't a professional arsonist, or a psycho who loves fire, ALSO have a "certain knowledge" of how to set a fire, and a "lack of fear" of the fire?

Just saying.


Technically yes, and excuse the trite phrase but....where there's smoke there's fire.

Fire departments don't reduce the instances of fires, they just put them out faster.

So when you have x number of fires in 2009, 3x fires in 2010 starting the day that the firemen got canned and the fires are slowly decreasing in frequency as more of the fired men are re-employed. I lean toward firemen trying to strong arm community into getting jobs back, rather than master arsonist who is being thwarted by overly attentive firefighters.
 
2010-05-22 01:02:45 AM  
Man, my hometown gets mentioned twice in one week, but not in a good way. Sigh.
 
2010-05-22 01:11:33 AM  
You could burn down half of Flint and no one would notice. There are already big open wastelands where factories used to be anyways. I've lived in Flint for 6 years and its depressing to be here.
 
2010-05-22 06:46:14 AM  
Why would anyone stop them? It's an improvement that Detroit should do.
 
2010-05-22 07:33:22 AM  
Flint - Making Detroit look classy since 1980.
 
2010-05-22 08:31:18 AM  
HelenKellersFingers: I probably know you SpartanDave. I live near Kearsley Park. What about you?

Thread jack sorry.


Near Haskell Community Center.
 
2010-05-22 08:34:53 AM  
HelenKellersFingers: I probably know you SpartanDave. I live near Kearsley Park. What about you?

Thread jack sorry.

I was just kidding about knowing SpartanDave. I know very few people here. People are kinda scary here. Lots of HATE.


There's lots of good people here, too.
 
2010-05-22 09:50:45 AM  
Spartan Dave: Nocens: FTFA:

"I'll give the Mayor credit, he's the first politician I've seen in a long time who's not a total farking moron.

You obviously don't live in Flint. Walling's a total moran. He's also laid off police officers to the point that shots fired calls are answered 30 - 40 minutes after the call.
I'm waiting for him to blame the laid off cops for the increased shootings.

/Lived in Flint all my life.
//Yeah, I'm white.


I wonder if you actually live in Flint - Because Don Williamson absolutely didn't have -anything- to do with hastening Flints demise at all and it's all obviously Walling's fault because he had to be the one to pull the trigger.
 
2010-05-22 10:16:49 AM  
Flint's demise started long before Williamson. You could say it started when Hoodrow told the white folks not to come North of the river. or, with Coleman Young's buddy Sharp. Walling gutted the police & fire departments while hiring unqualified cronies to 80K+ jobs. All while claiming there was no money.
 
2010-05-22 02:06:01 PM  
Spartan Dave: Flint's demise started long before Williamson. You could say it started when Hoodrow told the white folks not to come North of the river. or, with Coleman Young's buddy Sharp. Walling gutted the police & fire departments while hiring unqualified cronies to 80K+ jobs. All while claiming there was no money.

You forgot Wilson horrible horrible Wilson
 
2010-05-24 11:29:53 PM  
FLINT TOWN! I say they should keep burning buildings down. They were going to be tearing down abandon buildings anyway! Burn that crap down so we can put new stuff on it. I watched a big apartment building burn down over by the 12th street store and the fire fighters had it under control the whole time. Seems way quicker than tearing it down. Ive never seent a building get torn down before though...
 
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