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(My Fox DC)   So what do you and your wife, who are under investigation for crashing President Obama's first state dinner, do the night of his second state dinner? Why, cruise around the White House in a limo running red lights of course   (myfoxdc.com) divider line 102
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2010-05-20 01:06:24 PM  
FeFiFoFark: why aren't they in jail for the first crash yet?

Jailed for what exactly. Security allowed them in, that pretty much nullifies any kind of trespassing charge.
 
2010-05-20 01:06:50 PM  
The_Six_Fingered_Man: dragonchild: The Marines are the only part of the Armed Forces under direct command of the CoC

[Citation Needed]

Everything I've ever been taught about the Marine Corps is that they are administered under the Department of the Navy, led by the SecNav.


Yes this is true, however, as a "force in readiness" the Marine Corps tends to be the first off the line. Also in 10 USC section 5063, Link (new window) the Marine Corps: "shall perform such other duties as the President may direct. However, these additional duties may not detract from or interfere with the operations for which the Marine Corps is primarily organized."
 
2010-05-20 01:07:22 PM  
Michaele Salahi will end up doing a porn video in a few months to get 5 more minutes added to their 15 minutes of fame. They will release it to red light district, then turn around and sue them saying it was stolen by the gardener, plumber, pool boy or C) all the above. In turn get 15 minutes more of fame, in which the ginger kid makes 2 more videos whining about ginger haters, lindsay lohan admitted to hospital for an overdose on coke, and finally Britney shaves her head again.

/I really need a vacation
 
2010-05-20 01:08:30 PM  
We should send this couple up in Balloon Boy's Balloon!
 
2010-05-20 01:08:42 PM  
so...they live in D.C.,...and they went to a restaurant in D.C. for dinner... what else?
 
2010-05-20 01:08:56 PM  
I Don't Appreciate Your Ruse: dragonchild: metametameta: Good god are these people attention whores.

Sounds more like daredevils to me. They crashed a state dinner; that's gotta be a helluva rush. It's the ultimate dare.

Mind you, I think the Secret Service should've jumped on them, locked them up and threw away the key. I think the Prez should be more accessible (it's the culture of lobbyists trying to make statesmen less accessible -- they're public servants for crissakes), but not by a blatant breach of security!

I still don't understand why this was such a big deal. They were still searched for weapons. There was no danger. Why is it a crime for our citizens to be near the president? Why do our tax dollars pay for such exclusive state dinners?

There should be no locking up, no throwing away the key.

These people are idiots and AWs, but this is not a big deal and our government should not make it one. The fact that people lost their job over it still seems ridiculous. OH NOES! The wrong people were at our party!


The big deal isn't really them, the big deal is that the secret service allowed these people unlimited access to a lot of the government brass, which shows a huge security gap if you consider how many nut jobs would love to get a shot at the US president.
 
2010-05-20 01:10:33 PM  
King Something: Heron: FeFiFoFark: Why should it be illegal to crash a party?

Trespassing, for one.


It's not trespassing when they let you in.
 
2010-05-20 01:20:53 PM  
gregory311: saw Lindsay Lohan's rep and family attorney on the news at noon

Stop feeding her attention!
 
2010-05-20 01:21:04 PM  
dragonchild: The_Six_Fingered_Man: [Citation Needed]


I Don't Appreciate Your Ruse: I still don't understand why this was such a big deal. They were still searched for weapons. There was no danger. Why is it a crime for our citizens to be near the president? Why do our tax dollars pay for such exclusive state dinners?

Dude, even small companies will post signs saying "no soliciting, no trespassing" to keep nosy assholes from preventing them from getting work done. And they certainly won't take kindly to you crashing the annual party.

I'm all for making our leaders more accessible, but this is not the way to do it. Do you honestly think their intentions were that noble? If you honestly want to spend time with the President, the proper course of action is to pick up the phone and try to set an appointment. The Prez is a lot of things, but primarily it's a job title.


I agree it's not the way to do it, but I don't like people deifying our government officials. The way people are in awe of them baffles me. They are people...stupid people, just like everyone else. They are not that special.

They try to make themselves seem more important by way of unnecessary security (like a governor/mayor with a battalion of state troopers -- they are not in danger).

Remember the White House was open to any comers for several years under Jackson. And don't give me that "different time". There were assassinations and captures of heads of state since there were states.
 
2010-05-20 01:22:15 PM  
I love Garlic Man: so...they live in D.C.,...and they went to a restaurant in D.C. for dinner... what else?

they attempted to crash the State Dinner.
 
2010-05-20 01:22:15 PM  
EWreckedSean:
The big deal isn't really them, the big deal is that the secret service allowed these people unlimited access to a lot of the government brass, which shows a huge security gap if you consider how many nut jobs would love to get a shot at the US president.


How is it a security gap? They couldn't have shot at the Prez b/c they were STILL SEARCHED FOR WEAPONS! Explain your logic.
 
2010-05-20 01:23:19 PM  
Arab Lover: gregory311: saw Lindsay Lohan's rep and family attorney on the news at noon

Stop feeding her attention!


I tried gouging my eyes out with a rusty trowel, but they keep putting her on the news nonetheless.
 
2010-05-20 01:23:30 PM  
dragonchild: Magorn: there was an extra helping of SS snipers out and about yesterday.

IIRC they're Marines, not SS. The Marines are the only part of the Armed Forces under direct command of the CoC (read: the Prez) without the need for Congressional Authorization (which is why they have a habit of being used in wag-the-dog operations, but I digress), so they often double as a sort of modern royal bodyguard.

The SS isn't in the business of hiding; they want you to know they're there and watching you and the "action at a distance" sniper work doesn't mesh with their "step in front of the bullet" style. I've heard rumors of USMC snipers around the White House but if they're there we're talking sniper scouts trained to be so invisible you can almost step on them and not notice. Thing is, they've apparently been a complete non-factor the entire time they've been there, so I strongly suspect it's just a rumor.

Now I'm due for a massive embarrassing correction.


Not sure who these guys were because their fatigues had no insignia or identifying marks but they all had large padded cases about 5ft long slung over their shoulders (thus the mariachi comment) and commo gear on. Beyond that I'm simply not expert enough to comment, I''ve seen no less than six different uniforms doing some form of security near the WH at the same time so I imagine there are a lto fo different agencies involved
 
2010-05-20 01:24:30 PM  
The_Six_Fingered_Man: FVendetta: Every time I hear about these people, I think that they're super-pushy swingers trying to get POTUS and FLOTUS into the sack.

I don't know why, maybe my juvenile sense of humor, but FLOTUS makes me crack the fark up every time.


They're just one of the side-effects of too much fibre in your diet.
 
2010-05-20 01:26:33 PM  
Apparently the wife was giving a snarlin' gnarlin' and they didn't want to be seen at the red light. No BFD...
 
2010-05-20 01:28:11 PM  
I Don't Appreciate Your Ruse: EWreckedSean:
The big deal isn't really them, the big deal is that the secret service allowed these people unlimited access to a lot of the government brass, which shows a huge security gap if you consider how many nut jobs would love to get a shot at the US president.

How is it a security gap? They couldn't have shot at the Prez b/c they were STILL SEARCHED FOR WEAPONS! Explain your logic.


Where's the confusion. Unauthorized people had direct access to the president. You don't need a gun to commit violence or harm. From show bombs to biological and chemical weapons, to unarmed combat, there is plenty of harm that is possible.
 
2010-05-20 01:28:50 PM  
EWreckedSean: I Don't Appreciate Your Ruse: EWreckedSean:
The big deal isn't really them, the big deal is that the secret service allowed these people unlimited access to a lot of the government brass, which shows a huge security gap if you consider how many nut jobs would love to get a shot at the US president.

How is it a security gap? They couldn't have shot at the Prez b/c they were STILL SEARCHED FOR WEAPONS! Explain your logic.

Where's the confusion. Unauthorized people had direct access to the president. You don't need a gun to commit violence or harm. From show bombs to biological and chemical weapons, to unarmed combat, there is plenty of harm that is possible.



Shoe that is not show.
 
2010-05-20 01:28:59 PM  
Magorn: Fame-seeking narcississitic con artists...

Yeah...And the Salahis aren't any better.
 
2010-05-20 01:29:16 PM  
I Don't Appreciate Your Ruse:
How is it a security gap? They couldn't have shot at the Prez b/c they were STILL SEARCHED FOR WEAPONS! Explain your logic.


Bloody knives and fancy karate gimmicks?
 
2010-05-20 01:30:07 PM  
EWreckedSean: I Don't Appreciate Your Ruse: EWreckedSean:
The big deal isn't really them, the big deal is that the secret service allowed these people unlimited access to a lot of the government brass, which shows a huge security gap if you consider how many nut jobs would love to get a shot at the US president.

How is it a security gap? They couldn't have shot at the Prez b/c they were STILL SEARCHED FOR WEAPONS! Explain your logic.

Where's the confusion. Unauthorized people had direct access to the president. You don't need a gun to commit violence or harm. From show bombs to biological and chemical weapons, to unarmed combat, there is plenty of harm that is possible.


They were searched for all that stuff at the checkpoints. This has been clearly stated in every article about the first breach. Unless you think that they were going to kill the president with their bare hands (possible) with secret service agents very close (now effectively impossible).
 
2010-05-20 01:31:17 PM  
I Don't Appreciate Your Ruse: I agree it's not the way to do it, but I don't like people deifying our government officials.

You're conflating two issues we both agree on. We both agree crashing parties isn't proper, and we both agree that deifying public servants is stupid. What I don't get is how you find the latter makes the former acceptable.

For perspective, I've actually tried to call politicians before and got blocked in very unfriendly ways. Hell, the local city council's office phone doesn't even have voice mail. They just don't answer the damn thing. Meanwhile, we routinely get our little private office intruded on by salespeople who ignore the "no soliciting" sign out front. These guys crashed a party. They are not some symbol of the silenced masses.
 
2010-05-20 01:31:34 PM  
FVendetta: Every time I hear about these people, I think that they're super-pushy swingers trying to get POTUS and FLOTUS into the sack.

Why would they want to get FLOTUS in the sack?

i.peperonity.com

Or did you mean FLOTUS-1?

the44diaries.files.wordpress.com
 
2010-05-20 01:33:44 PM  
EWreckedSean and dragonchild :
And what about the possibility of someone who was on the list being "turned" and then being given years of covert training to become a deadly killing operative? Isn't that a danger too? The list is not enough protection!

Maybe the president should sit alone in a room and make all decisions by pressing a button (but what if someone infiltrates the room and puts poison on the button?)
 
2010-05-20 01:34:13 PM  
l0wk3y: Why would they want to get FLOTUS in the sack?

Ogod watching that made me sick to my stomach.
 
2010-05-20 01:36:56 PM  
dragonchild: I Don't Appreciate Your Ruse: I agree it's not the way to do it, but I don't like people deifying our government officials.

You're conflating two issues we both agree on. We both agree crashing parties isn't proper, and we both agree that deifying public servants is stupid. What I don't get is how you find the latter makes the former acceptable.

For perspective, I've actually tried to call politicians before and got blocked in very unfriendly ways. Hell, the local city council's office phone doesn't even have voice mail. They just don't answer the damn thing. Meanwhile, we routinely get our little private office intruded on by salespeople who ignore the "no soliciting" sign out front. These guys crashed a party. They are not some symbol of the silenced masses.


I apologize. You seem like a rational man. I was not intentionally trolling you...but now it appears that I was. I have also had a lot of difficulty demanding some response and accountability from my government (I live in Philly...it's beyond awful from a politics standpoint).

I don't know what they do with my money, but it's not serving the people.
 
2010-05-20 01:38:26 PM  
I Don't Appreciate Your Ruse: EWreckedSean: I Don't Appreciate Your Ruse: EWreckedSean:
The big deal isn't really them, the big deal is that the secret service allowed these people unlimited access to a lot of the government brass, which shows a huge security gap if you consider how many nut jobs would love to get a shot at the US president.

How is it a security gap? They couldn't have shot at the Prez b/c they were STILL SEARCHED FOR WEAPONS! Explain your logic.

Where's the confusion. Unauthorized people had direct access to the president. You don't need a gun to commit violence or harm. From show bombs to biological and chemical weapons, to unarmed combat, there is plenty of harm that is possible.

They were searched for all that stuff at the checkpoints. This has been clearly stated in every article about the first breach. Unless you think that they were going to kill the president with their bare hands (possible) with secret service agents very close (now effectively impossible).


How do you search for a biological weapon? A suicide attacker would basically get themselves sick with something nasty and then go shake the presidents hand. It's not science fiction in this day and age.
 
2010-05-20 01:39:50 PM  
I Don't Appreciate Your Ruse: EWreckedSean and dragonchild :
And what about the possibility of someone who was on the list being "turned" and then being given years of covert training to become a deadly killing operative? Isn't that a danger too? The list is not enough protection!

Maybe the president should sit alone in a room and make all decisions by pressing a button (but what if someone infiltrates the room and puts poison on the button?)


There is no such thing as eliminating risk of course. But when unauthorized people are allowed direct access to the president, it is clearly a security gap that should have been reasonably prevented.
 
2010-05-20 01:39:52 PM  
I thought you only got 15 minutes of fame for doing stupid things? Yet here they are again, toasts of the town.
 
2010-05-20 01:43:10 PM  
Sybarite: Three words: shoot on sight

Can't do that. Obama is pro-illegal immigration.
 
2010-05-20 01:51:38 PM  
Heron: This is so ridiculous. If anything this whole episode just shows how hypocritical and shallow our "elites" are; show up in a limo well dressed and -of course!- you must be one of the "good" people allowed to stand in our presence. Let them realize that you're just a pair of middling thrill-seekers, though, and you're suddenly under investigation for having the audacity to mingle with them. Why, I ask, is this a big deal? It wouldn't be a problem if they'd just ask for invitations at the door, but I guess that's too vulgar for our upper-crusts.

I think they're under investigation because there's credible suspicion that they run a fraudulent charity, grifting the mortally ill, but don't let that stop your social critique.
 
2010-05-20 01:52:18 PM  
I Don't Appreciate Your Ruse: You seem like a rational man.

Now that's a lofty compliment 'round these parts. :)

I Don't Appreciate Your Ruse: I live in Philly.

Ah, that explains a lot.
 
2010-05-20 01:56:02 PM  
I Don't Appreciate Your Ruse: EWreckedSean:
The big deal isn't really them, the big deal is that the secret service allowed these people unlimited access to a lot of the government brass, which shows a huge security gap if you consider how many nut jobs would love to get a shot at the US president.

How is it a security gap? They couldn't have shot at the Prez b/c they were STILL SEARCHED FOR WEAPONS! Explain your logic.


Well a person can BE a weapon inseveral different nsty ways even if they appear not be carrying one, icluding being infected with some very nast biological agents, having a bomb implanted in them or just physically trained to take advantage of the moment they are posing for a picture witht he prez.

Aside from that though it is a HUGE breach of access protocols. As anyone knows who has ever had a meeting with someone who works at the US dept of Treasury, you have to schedule the metting 48 hours in advance minimum and provide your social security number for a background check, because the Treasury building is next door to the WH. To allow someone onto the actual grounds with less is shocking.

Now don't get me wrong, I would like to see PA Avenue re-opened to vehicle traffic. I think it says something important about a democracy that prdinary people can literally drive right by the front gates of the WH (something they haven't been able to do for nearly 20 years now, but when I was a kid my dad used to brag abnout what it said about our country everytime we did.).

But if you are going to have security procedures in place, it is a very big deal when they are breached like this
 
2010-05-20 02:12:51 PM  
EWreckedSean: King Something: Heron: FeFiFoFark: Why should it be illegal to crash a party?

Trespassing, for one.

It's not trespassing when they let you in.


What if you lied to get in?
 
Ral
2010-05-20 02:22:32 PM  
FVendetta: Every time I hear about these people, I think that they're super-pushy swingers trying to get POTUS and FLOTUS into the sack.

They do give off that vibe, don't they? I couldn't put my finger on what it was (other than "trashy"), but you nailed it.
 
2010-05-20 02:37:51 PM  
Will somebody please tell these morons to GTFO of the Whitehouse Lawn and go back to being nobodies with no media attention?
 
2010-05-20 02:46:31 PM  
Since November, the White House and Secret Service have refined their security policy for checking guests into such events; the White House social secretary, Desiree Rogers, resigned

That was under the rug for a reason.
 
2010-05-20 02:58:31 PM  
sigh


Force them to move to Iowa. They'll finally be out of the news.
 
2010-05-20 03:19:06 PM  
TheSignPost: sigh


Force them to move to Iowa. They'll finally be out of the news.


At least until the next caucus.
 
2010-05-20 03:20:41 PM  
As the Cat in the Hat said, "Look at me, Look at me, Look at me now..."
 
2010-05-20 03:22:07 PM  
At least until the next caucus.


True.

Somewhere else more obscure then.

Just tired of hearing about them. Pathetic nobodys.
 
2010-05-20 03:42:01 PM  
Tareq Salahi. With a name like that, you just know he's dying to get sent to Gitmo for some of those famous cockmeat sammiches.
 
2010-05-20 03:57:51 PM  
why dumbass tag subby?

it seamed to have gotten them in the news again
 
2010-05-20 04:08:45 PM  
oh so they were driving the car. oh wait.
oh so they were heading to the white house. oh wait.

why is this a story. oh wait.
 
2010-05-20 04:40:52 PM  
FeFiFoFark: why aren't they in jail for the first crash yet?

Because it's not illegal.
Why aren't all the illegals out of the country yet? You know, the ones actually breaking laws.
 
2010-05-20 04:46:37 PM  
EWreckedSean: I Don't Appreciate Your Ruse: EWreckedSean:
The big deal isn't really them, the big deal is that the secret service allowed these people unlimited access to a lot of the government brass, which shows a huge security gap if you consider how many nut jobs would love to get a shot at the US president.

How is it a security gap? They couldn't have shot at the Prez b/c they were STILL SEARCHED FOR WEAPONS! Explain your logic.

Where's the confusion. Unauthorized people had direct access to the president. You don't need a gun to commit violence or harm. From show bombs to biological and chemical weapons, to unarmed combat, there is plenty of harm that is possible.


If only she had pulled out one of those she-ninja hair chopsticks and stuck it through his neck when she had the chance. He's more likely to be killed in crossfire by some illegal aliens whose ass he's trying to kiss than a white girl trying to get a photo with him.
 
2010-05-20 04:50:43 PM  
Arab Lover: I love Garlic Man: so...they live in D.C.,...and they went to a restaurant in D.C. for dinner... what else?

they attempted to crash the State Dinner.


No, they were in a limo and got stopped for running a red light and then harassed by police, nothing to do with Obammy. O noes, it must be an assassination plot, put another mark on the list.
 
2010-05-20 04:54:43 PM  
EWreckedSean: I Don't Appreciate Your Ruse: EWreckedSean: I Don't Appreciate Your Ruse: EWreckedSean:
The big deal isn't really them, the big deal is that the secret service allowed these people unlimited access to a lot of the government brass, which shows a huge security gap if you consider how many nut jobs would love to get a shot at the US president.

How is it a security gap? They couldn't have shot at the Prez b/c they were STILL SEARCHED FOR WEAPONS! Explain your logic.

Where's the confusion. Unauthorized people had direct access to the president. You don't need a gun to commit violence or harm. From show bombs to biological and chemical weapons, to unarmed combat, there is plenty of harm that is possible.

They were searched for all that stuff at the checkpoints. This has been clearly stated in every article about the first breach. Unless you think that they were going to kill the president with their bare hands (possible) with secret service agents very close (now effectively impossible).

How do you search for a biological weapon? A suicide attacker would basically get themselves sick with something nasty and then go shake the presidents hand. It's not science fiction in this day and age.


Hmmm, and you figure the SS would let in some sick fark coughing up blood to go shake hands with the pres? Right. They are more likely to get the black plague from some illegals kid they are hugging in a photo op.
 
2010-05-20 05:01:35 PM  
Is it just me, or does she look a lot older and thinner in those pics than she did in the red-saree photos at the State dinner?

I know a few things that could cause that. . . . .
 
2010-05-20 05:58:58 PM  
Sybarite: Three words: shoot on sight

Came here to say this.
 
2010-05-21 12:45:32 AM  
I Don't Appreciate Your Ruse: dragonchild: metametameta: Good god are these people attention whores.

Sounds more like daredevils to me. They crashed a state dinner; that's gotta be a helluva rush. It's the ultimate dare.

Mind you, I think the Secret Service should've jumped on them, locked them up and threw away the key. I think the Prez should be more accessible (it's the culture of lobbyists trying to make statesmen less accessible -- they're public servants for crissakes), but not by a blatant breach of security!

I still don't understand why this was such a big deal. They were still searched for weapons. There was no danger. Why is it a crime for our citizens to be near the president? Why do our tax dollars pay for such exclusive state dinners?

There should be no locking up, no throwing away the key.

These people are idiots and AWs, but this is not a big deal and our government should not make it one. The fact that people lost their job over it still seems ridiculous. OH NOES! The wrong people were at our party!


I don't mean this disrespectfully, but it's a big huge deal for a lot of complex reasons involving state relations, diplomacy, and protocol that are impossible to sum up in a nutshell. In short, a State Dinner is not an occasion for the citizenry to come a'callin' on the President. A State Dinner has a specific purpose in international relations, and the guest list isn't determined by Barack and Michelle, but is overseen by the State Department which follows certain rules for these things and invites dignitaries, officials, and yes - "just plain citizens" - in a carefully-selected mix that furthers the purpose of the dinner.

The notion that crashers can wheedle their way in at the last second is a huge insult to the guest, and if it had happened to the President when he was in another country, Americans would be furious about it. The rage wouldn't die down for months. As a matter of fact, India was very subdued about it, although apparently the Prime Minister himself - guest of honor - was quite pissed off at the time, and who can blame him.

There are occasions when it would be appropriate for the President to receive the people. I don't know if the American president does this. Someone pointed out that Andrew Jackson did. I don't know when the custom ended.

I lived abroad for many years, and during part of my career, I was personal secretary to the President of the country I lived in. It wasn't like in the States, he was just the President of the State, and they had a Prime Minister running the government. So the President just had honorary duties. He had one day each year set aside to receive the public, and that's exactly what happened. It was mandated by law, and in practice, it was done very beautifully and very graciously and very old-fashioned, even though in modern times, of course, we had to receive tens of thousands of people, something the drafters of the law never anticipated.

It actually stretched over a couple of days. The hours were published in the newspapers in the form of a very elegant invitation - "The President has the honor of requesting your gracious presence yadda yadda yadda...", and people were allowed inside in small groups, filed past the President and Mrs. the President and shook hands, and were then led to the garden for tea and cakes and a brief musical interlude. It was all very charming, it was a security officer's worst nightmare, and at the end of the day the President and Mrs. President's hands and feet were so swollen, they had to soak them in ice water for hours.

The other tradition we followed just like clockwork was that the morning after, Mrs. the President flew off to Europe for ten days at a spa for recuperation, LOL. She didn't care much for the unwashed masses, what can I say.

But the notion that people could shove their way into a State Dinner and that's not such an awful thing is, boy, that's just way, way, off the mark. A country's leader may or may not open his home to the nation's citizens, whether because he wants to or the law requires it, but there's a time and place for everything.
 
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