HotWingConspiracy: D_Evans45: I still think it would be better if every state allowed carrying laws. Nobody would rob the bank if the guy behind him was carrying a .45, steal from an old lady if everyone had a Springfield, or try to take from an armored car if everyone in the parking lot was carrying.

/Needs a CCW
//California

How come there was so much crime in the old west?


Completely different story. Smaller percentage of the population had guns and were outlaws. Nowadays in a state that allowed carry they'd be blasted before they could rob that saloon.

What kind of retard tries to intimidate or threaten a big black guy like that? Farking retard.

"Foo waved a gun in mah face. Foo."

ne2d: There appears to be bulletproof glass between the robber and the employee, yet he still raises his hands and complies. WTF?

I also like how the one guy keeps playing that video slot or whatever it is the whole time.

They're called Fruit Machines (http://www.fruitmachinesuk.com/) and they're a lot of fun to play if you have the money to lose!

indarwinsshadow: Guns are for idiots.

Please explain and substantiate this assertion.

280 pounds of bad mother farker

Walker: How's that gun control working for you Britain? Now the only people with guns are criminals.

If you'd bothered to RTFA, you'd know that "Sulman, 20, used a fake handgun".

Hoist by your own petard. Again.

D_Evans45: HotWingConspiracy: D_Evans45: I still think it would be better if every state allowed carrying laws. Nobody would rob the bank if the guy behind him was carrying a .45, steal from an old lady if everyone had a Springfield, or try to take from an armored car if everyone in the parking lot was carrying.

/Needs a CCW
//California

How come there was so much crime in the old west?


Completely different story. Smaller percentage of the population had guns and were outlaws. Nowadays in a state that allowed carry they'd be blasted before they could rob that saloon.

No they wouldn't. Even people with guns don't want to get involved.

It's all over for the robber anyway once Bricktop finds out he was trying to rob him.

impolite society.

Dimensio: Are homicides committed with implements other than firearms preferable to homicides committed with firearms?

Yes, they make for cooler crime photos.

Tomass the Second: ne2d: There appears to be bulletproof glass between the robber and the employee, yet he still raises his hands and complies. WTF?

I also like how the one guy keeps playing that video slot or whatever it is the whole time.

They're called Fruit Machines (http://www.fruitmachinesuk.com/) and they're a lot of fun to play if you have the money to lose!


God yes. That was extremely funny.

At first I was like...


Then I was like...

To be fair he told him to have a seat over here

GoodOmens: GameSprocket: Walker: How's that gun control working for you Britain? Now the only people with guns are criminals. Law abiding citizens have to arm themselves with chairs. How long until you ban chairs?

In 2005/6 the police in England and Wales reported 50 gun homicides, a rate of 0.1 illegal gun deaths per 100,000 of population. Only 6.6% of homicides involved the use of a firearm.[29]

By way of international comparison, in 2004 the police in the United States reported 9,326 gun homicides.[30] The overall homicide rates per 100,000 (regardless of weapon type) reported by the United Nations for 1999 were 4.55 for the U.S. and 1.45 in England and Wales. (new window)

Quit bringing that up. It gives people ideas.

What a meaningless statistic. Of course gun crime in the UK will be lower because there are simply fewer guns. Look at violent crime rate between the two countries for a more accurate comparison.

A 2009 daily mail article (new window) claims that the UK has 2,034 offenses per 100,000 people while the US only has 466 violent crimes per 100k

Ah, The Daily Mail, that well known bastion of all that's right and good in journalism. Daily Mail articles have also claimed all sorts of things which aren't true. You could get a pretty good picture of reality by assuming the exact opposite of whatever is printed in that rag.

Details of the drama emerged at Leeds Crown Court where Sulman, 20, was sentenced to six years in a young offenders' institute.

Are you really a "young offender" at 20?

That is a huge ni black gentleman.

james1878: GoodOmens: GameSprocket: Walker: How's that gun control working for you Britain? Now the only people with guns are criminals. Law abiding citizens have to arm themselves with chairs. How long until you ban chairs?

In 2005/6 the police in England and Wales reported 50 gun homicides, a rate of 0.1 illegal gun deaths per 100,000 of population. Only 6.6% of homicides involved the use of a firearm.[29]

By way of international comparison, in 2004 the police in the United States reported 9,326 gun homicides.[30] The overall homicide rates per 100,000 (regardless of weapon type) reported by the United Nations for 1999 were 4.55 for the U.S. and 1.45 in England and Wales. (new window)

Quit bringing that up. It gives people ideas.

What a meaningless statistic. Of course gun crime in the UK will be lower because there are simply fewer guns. Look at violent crime rate between the two countries for a more accurate comparison.

A 2009 daily mail article (new window) claims that the UK has 2,034 offenses per 100,000 people while the US only has 466 violent crimes per 100k

Ah, The Daily Mail, that well known bastion of all that's right and good in journalism. Daily Mail articles have also claimed all sorts of things which aren't true. You could get a pretty good picture of reality by assuming the exact opposite of whatever is printed in that rag.

How is that better then the wikipedia article the other guy linked? I could do more statistics diving to prove my point but it's not really worth the effort.

D_Evans45: I still think it would be better if every state allowed carrying laws. Nobody would rob the bank if the guy behind him was carrying a .45, steal from an old lady if everyone had a Springfield, or try to take from an armored car if everyone in the parking lot was carrying.

/Needs a CCW
//California

Personally I wouldn't want to kill someone else or risk my life to protect someone else's possessions.

GoodOmens: Look at violent crime rate between the two countries for a more accurate comparison.

Look at the homicide rates for an even better statistic.

# 24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people
# 46 United Kingdom: 0.0140633 per 1,000 people\

Link (new window)

"Judge Scott Wolstenholme awarded Mr Richardson £250 from the public purse for his "tremendous courage".


so in the long run the thief gave up 250$ to the judo guy....priceless

RIGHT HO!

Train Defecator: Details of the drama emerged at Leeds Crown Court where Sulman, 20, was sentenced to six years in a young offenders' institute.

Are you really a "young offender" at 20?

Well, their recidivism rate is at about 50%, where as ours is somewhere around 60%, so they're doing something right somewhere.

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: "All... Bets... Are... Off!

Man... totally beat me to it.

No "Son, I am disappoint"?

You guys are slipping.

Judge Scott Wolstenholme awarded Mr Richardson £250 from the public purse for his "tremendous courage".

Five points to Gryffindor!

ackb4r: Walker: How's that gun control working for you Britain? Now the only people with guns are criminals. Law abiding citizens have to arm themselves with chairs. How long until you ban chairs?

And if weed was legal, this guy wouldn't have had to turn to crime!

Oh? Would it also be free?

monsieurstabby: Personally I wouldn't want to kill someone else or risk my life to protect someone else's possessions.

I hope that no one wants to kill someone, and if they do they seek treatment before they follow through with their urges. I believe that the ITGs are looking to prove that they're manly enough to take a life, if given the slightest provocation (and where there is sufficient cause to belive they won't be prosecuted). It's all for show as far as I can tell, and I hope no one has to live with the memories of killing someone.

GameSprocket: GoodOmens: Look at violent crime rate between the two countries for a more accurate comparison.

Look at the homicide rates for an even better statistic.

# 24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people
# 46 United Kingdom: 0.0140633 per 1,000 people\

Link (new window)

Considering that's from 1998-2000, only 2 years out of the 250+ the US has been in existence that's not very convincing.

HotWingConspiracy: No they wouldn't. Even people with guns don't want to get involved.


You think a bunch of armed people are just going to stand around while some idiot with a gun is threatening a bunch of peoples lives?

Molavian: GameSprocket: GoodOmens: Look at violent crime rate between the two countries for a more accurate comparison.

Look at the homicide rates for an even better statistic.

# 24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people
# 46 United Kingdom: 0.0140633 per 1,000 people\

Link (new window)

If you want an even more interesting statistic look at the homicide rates broken down by race. Then run an analysis of homicide in other countries broken down by race, and compare the results across countries.

If you want some really interesting statistics, look up crime rates against income inequality, health outcomes against income inequality, mental health against income inequality, educational attainment against income inequality, etc, etc, etc.

Or just buy this (pops) book.

Molavian: GameSprocket: GoodOmens: Look at violent crime rate between the two countries for a more accurate comparison.

Look at the homicide rates for an even better statistic.

# 24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people
# 46 United Kingdom: 0.0140633 per 1,000 people\

Link (new window)

If you want an even more interesting statistic look at the homicide rates broken down by race. Then run an analysis of homicide in other countries broken down by race, and compare the results across countries.

Here's an even better statistical look. Instead of breaking it down by meaningless racial lines, break it down by what really matters: By annual income. Crime has more to do with poverty and desperation than the amount of melanin in one's skin, or the kink in one's hair.

Dimensio: Eirik: If it comes out that this guy realized that the gun was fake before he decided to clobber him with a chair, will he get arrested for excessive force?

Given the protections applied to criminals in the United Kingdom, Mr. Richardson may be criminally charged regardless of any establishment of his knowledge of the nature of the weapon used.

thats an interesting theory given that the judge commended him for his bravery. how does it feel to be wrong?

perhaps this might be an indication to you that what fark tells you about the UK is not normally correct, and that the tabloids are, like most british farkers say, full of shiat.

monsieurstabby: D_Evans45: I still think it would be better if every state allowed carrying laws. Nobody would rob the bank if the guy behind him was carrying a .45, steal from an old lady if everyone had a Springfield, or try to take from an armored car if everyone in the parking lot was carrying.

/Needs a CCW
//California

Personally I wouldn't want to kill someone else or risk my life to protect someone else's possessions.


You don't necessarily have to shoot someone to protect anothers possessions. I imagine the threat of several armed people behind you who don't wish to see innocent people killed would deter you from pointing that gun (from a criminal perspective).

GoodOmens: Considering that's from 1998-2000, only 2 years out of the 250+ the US has been in existence that's not very convincing.

Yet you're willing to take a Daily Mail article with one year's figures and no details of what's being compared at face value?

There isn't even a common basis for what constitutes 'assault' between England and Wales and Scotland.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTu7GLfrmUI

Infernalist: Instead of breaking it down by meaningless racial lines, break it down by what really matters: By annual income. Crime has more to do with poverty and desperation than the amount of melanin in one's skin, or the kink in one's hair.

In a perfect world, that makes sense. In the real world, where I have been taught that my race systematically forces poverty and desperation upon others, race matters just a little bit more. Sorry, but that's where the logic leads.

JNowe: ackb4r: Walker: How's that gun control working for you Britain? Now the only people with guns are criminals. Law abiding citizens have to arm themselves with chairs. How long until you ban chairs?

And if weed was legal, this guy wouldn't have had to turn to crime!

Oh? Would it also be free?

Sure as hell be cheaper. Right? At least I hope it would. If not, keep that shiat illegal.

The best thing about that pic is the caption:

Martin Richardson was unhappy with the robber's attitude

Droll.

Violence & racism. Two of FARK's favorite topics.

ITT: "Not a gun-toting American, not a hero."

The man displayed a great deal of courage in taking an improvised weapon and tackling a criminal he thought was armed.

Criminal could have been on drugs, and will have no reason not to shoot (or stab, if he has a knife). It's a totally unpredictable situation that nobody should have to face but Mr Richardson decided to get involved anyway.

Hero tag deserved, pity about the wrong flag.

This man needs HELP. HE IS ADDICTED TO CANNABIS. DON'T THROW A CHAIR AT HIM!

ozziegt: Sulman, 20, used a fake handgun to hold up the counters in a bid to fund his £200-a-week cannabis habit.

Well, there goes the argument that pot smokers dont commit violent crime.