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2010-05-18 05:03:26 AM
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2010-05-18 05:05:47 AM
What has Janet Napolitano said about the AZ immigration law?
 
2010-05-18 05:13:31 AM

Like you need to read this bill before knowing its trash.

We used to make fun of societies that demanded "papers please" when I was a kid.
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Ronald Reagan referred to the Soviet Union as the "Evil Empire" because they treated their people with this level of contempt.

But here in this new and barely recognizable American, torture is an acceptable practice embraced by Jesus and being able to demand someone's ID is just a minor inconvenience to what used to be considered our fourth amendment rights.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


Next up - let's hear from some unAmerican asshole who claims "probable cause" is only being used on brown people who talk funny - but this isn't racial profiling.
 
2010-05-18 05:14:55 AM
I heard the AZ immigration law has death panels in it.
 
2010-05-18 05:18:22 AM
Can someone remind me where Sarah Palin found the Death Panels in HCR?

Criticizing a bill you didn't completely read is one thing, but outright lying about it is ok?
 
2010-05-18 05:18:47 AM
I actually know some WHITE, EUROPEAN, MUSLIM illegals, so I'm getting a kick...
 
2010-05-18 05:19:28 AM
This whole "they didn't even read it!" schtick is bullshiat. The supporters of the bill claim that the bill forbids racial profiling, which is true. But how else is "reasonable suspicion" of being an illegal immigrant supposed to be defined?
 
2010-05-18 05:20:47 AM
What does this have to do with the Gulf spill and cleanup? Right there on the screen. Honest question.
 
2010-05-18 05:22:15 AM
Curse of the Goth Kids: I heard the AZ immigration law has death panels in it.

*shakes fist*
 
2010-05-18 05:24:07 AM
Oh, and dickheads that think this is a great idea, good luck getting all of our pure and dedicated servants of the law to pursue this legislation as honestly as you think it will be. Awesome beach front property in central Florida in it for you. Million dollar lawsuits in week one.
 
2010-05-18 05:24:33 AM
Republicans have condemned, without reading, every piece of legislation sponsored by a Democrat since January 20, 2009.

/Pot meet kettle
 
2010-05-18 05:25:56 AM
I don't have to read the bible to know it's full of shiat.
 
2010-05-18 05:26:10 AM
While not logically sound, it's interesting that the outrage machine now resorts (more or less) to their own "isolated incident' argument to rebuke criticisms of a clearly xenophobic (read: political) disagreement with AZ's fun law.
 
2010-05-18 05:26:56 AM
The AZ immigration law is a communist plot to murder my grandmother.
 
2010-05-18 05:33:05 AM
Thousands of people are coming out against this law... is the GOP claiming that no one has actually read it?
 
2010-05-18 05:37:03 AM
No one of any political office reads any bill, period.

That's straight from their mouths when criticized about any particular law that backfires; "I didn't read all of the bill. None of us did!" I believe we heard that statement years after the Patriot Act was passed. If they didn't make bills the size of Harry Potter novels and demanded them to read them within a few days of voting, we wouldn't have poor thoughts, decisions, and excuses happen so much. So while we have Health Care Reform, and Financial Reform, and Housing Reform, where's the Political Reform?

To those who have read the bill, in any manner, a lot of them seem to still dislike it. Hell, I bet those who are for it haven't read it either. Americans need to stop fooling themselves; If you don't read this shiat, I most certainly think neither did the people who sign it. The only people who know whats in it are the small amount of people who were writing it.
 
2010-05-18 05:46:37 AM
NobleHam: This whole "they didn't even read it!" schtick is bullshiat. The supporters of the bill claim that the bill forbids racial profiling, which is true. But how else is "reasonable suspicion" of being an illegal immigrant supposed to be defined?

What's funnier is that, before they ammended the bill due to liberal pressure, it actually implicitly allowed racial profiling. IIRC, the original bill said they could not rely soley on race as a factor - mexican AND driving a beater? Papers please.

And those who defended it then said it wasn't racist. Now, those same people still say it's not racist, despite there not being a definition of what "reasonable suspicion" of being an illegal immigrant is. It's a bad idea, and will be badly implimented. They should have just kept it to when someone is arrested.
 
2010-05-18 05:57:46 AM
Quite frankly, I don't need to read the bill to know that it accomplishes nothing positive. Being an illegal immigrant is already illegal. So this bill is either: 1) Terribly redundant, and not needed, or 2) filled with ulterior motives. Putting in a "We promise not to be racist" clause doesn't magically make turn this bill into one that promotes civil liberties. Arizona doesn't exactly have the best history of promoting civil liberties.
 
2010-05-18 06:05:17 AM
Shockingly, very few of the law's supporters have read it, either.
 
2010-05-18 06:06:22 AM
Came to watch the spin. Carry on.
 
2010-05-18 06:10:03 AM
Like you need to read this bill before knowing its trash.

Like you actually do.

Really.

Much like we needed to read the healthcare bill to find out what was actually in it - but the Democrats didn't bother to read that one, either (and made a huge effort to make sure nobody else could before they voted for it).

So far, we've got people saying the Arizona bill "implied" doing stuff it didn't really do, and once the Arizona politicians went back and specifically excluded something that wasn't even in the bill in the first place, the Democrats are still whining about stuff that was never in it at all, and which is now very specifically forbidden.
 
2010-05-18 06:10:46 AM
I dunno bout you folks, but I sure as hell haven't seen Jan Brewer's long form birth certificate.
 
2010-05-18 06:10:56 AM
crab66: I don't have to read the bible to know it's full of shiat.

Well I don't need to read the bible to know it's the undaunted Word of God.
 
2010-05-18 06:11:32 AM
cirby: (and made a huge effort to make sure nobody else could before they voted for it).

how did they do that? They had MONTHS to read that bill before the house passed it.
 
2010-05-18 06:11:37 AM
Whizzy: That's straight from their mouths when criticized about any particular law that backfires; "I didn't read all of the bill. None of us did!" I believe we heard that statement years after the Patriot Act was passed. If they didn't make bills the size of Harry Potter novels and demanded them to read them within a few days of voting, we wouldn't have poor thoughts, decisions, and excuses happen so much. So while we have Health Care Reform, and Financial Reform, and Housing Reform, where's the Political Reform?

Bills are that long because we have lawyers. We have people who nitpick every single item that could possibly come up, and so a piece of legislation has to be drowning in legalese.
 
2010-05-18 06:16:48 AM
cirby: So far, we've got people saying the Arizona bill "implied" doing stuff it didn't really do, and once the Arizona politicians went back and specifically excluded something that wasn't even in the bill in the first place, the Democrats are still whining about stuff that was never in it at all, and which is now very specifically forbidden.

Bullshiat. This law DOES give health insurance to illegal immigrants and everybody knows it. In short sir, you lie.
 
2010-05-18 06:17:48 AM
Well I just read it again, and I was wondering if anyone with a GED in law can tell me what the hell is a "public offense that makes a person removable from the United States." Line 37-39 page 1 (new window)

Also would anyone here like to deny that cops like to pull minorities over for any little thing? I mean all jokes have to start with some basis in reality, or was this (nsfw) just some random joke created out of no where with no basis in reality. My point about that is section E page 4 of sb1070, where it says "a peace officer may lawfully stop a person operating a motor vehicle if the officer has reasonable suspicion to believe the person is in violation of any civil traffic law and this section".

So what's reasonable suspicion for being an illegal in AZ? Damn those blond haired blue eyes illegals from Sweden takin or jerbs.

On page 5 it talks about day laborers, but it's worded in a way that the police can pull you over if your friend breaks down on the side of the road, calls you to pick him up and there's no parking lot to stop in, for him to get into your car. Expect red and blues in your mirror if you pull off onto the shoulder to stop and let him in.

Besides This will be happening everywhere Sheriff Joe and his goon squad works guaranteed, those bastards are going to have a field day with this law.
 
2010-05-18 06:17:52 AM
Random Reality Check: Like you need to read this bill before knowing its trash.

We used to make fun of societies that demanded "papers please" when I was a kid.


Ronald Reagan referred to the Soviet Union as the "Evil Empire" because they treated their people with this level of contempt.

But here in this new and barely recognizable American, torture is an acceptable practice embraced by Jesus and being able to demand someone's ID is just a minor inconvenience to what used to be considered our fourth amendment rights.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Next up - let's hear from some unAmerican asshole who claims "probable cause" is only being used on brown people who talk funny - but this isn't racial profiling.


I kind of posted this earlier. But I live in San Diego and have had to go through numerous Border Patrol checkpoints. Now these are NOT at the border with Mexico but along the 8 highway (and others). And almost everytime they will ask about your citizenship and destination. And I have been detained, had my car searched, and my id run at one of these before (CA/AZ Border). And yes I am white and a citizen. Now it maybe new for Arizona to have the cops check on immigration status (if suspected/profiled/whatever you want to say). But it nothing new in America to say "papers please". Well at least not here in Southern California with the Border Patrol.
 
2010-05-18 06:27:41 AM
Tellingthem: Random Reality Check: Like you need to read this bill before knowing its trash.

We used to make fun of societies that demanded "papers please" when I was a kid.


Ronald Reagan referred to the Soviet Union as the "Evil Empire" because they treated their people with this level of contempt.

But here in this new and barely recognizable American, torture is an acceptable practice embraced by Jesus and being able to demand someone's ID is just a minor inconvenience to what used to be considered our fourth amendment rights.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Next up - let's hear from some unAmerican asshole who claims "probable cause" is only being used on brown people who talk funny - but this isn't racial profiling.

I kind of posted this earlier. But I live in San Diego and have had to go through numerous Border Patrol checkpoints. Now these are NOT at the border with Mexico but along the 8 highway (and others). And almost everytime they will ask about your citizenship and destination. And I have been detained, had my car searched, and my id run at one of these before (CA/AZ Border). And yes I am white and a citizen. Now it maybe new for Arizona to have the cops check on immigration status (if suspected/profiled/whatever you want to say). But it nothing new in America to say "papers please". Well at least not here in Southern California with the Border Patrol.


Driving west out of El Paso will net the same results, gets so close to the border they've got a checkpoint where they ask for your identification, etc.

Being a legal citizen, I had no problem with this, and commend the Border Patrol for adding checkpoints on stretches of highway that run parallel to the border.
 
2010-05-18 06:32:20 AM
Tellingthem: Random Reality Check: Like you need to read this bill before knowing its trash.

We used to make fun of societies that demanded "papers please" when I was a kid.


Ronald Reagan referred to the Soviet Union as the "Evil Empire" because they treated their people with this level of contempt.

But here in this new and barely recognizable American, torture is an acceptable practice embraced by Jesus and being able to demand someone's ID is just a minor inconvenience to what used to be considered our fourth amendment rights.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Next up - let's hear from some unAmerican asshole who claims "probable cause" is only being used on brown people who talk funny - but this isn't racial profiling.

I kind of posted this earlier. But I live in San Diego and have had to go through numerous Border Patrol checkpoints. Now these are NOT at the border with Mexico but along the 8 highway (and others). And almost everytime they will ask about your citizenship and destination. And I have been detained, had my car searched, and my id run at one of these before (CA/AZ Border). And yes I am white and a citizen. Now it maybe new for Arizona to have the cops check on immigration status (if suspected/profiled/whatever you want to say). But it nothing new in America to say "papers please". Well at least not here in Southern California with the Border Patrol.


Same goes for here in AZ but it's usually within 40 miles of the border where there are checkpoints after that it's nothing except green and white suvs rolling down the road.
 
2010-05-18 06:34:26 AM
Tellingthem: I kind of posted this earlier. But I live in San Diego and have had to go through numerous Border Patrol checkpoints. Now these are NOT at the border with Mexico but along the 8 highway (and others). And almost everytime they will ask about your citizenship and destination. And I have been detained, had my car searched, and my id run at one of these before (CA/AZ Border). And yes I am white and a citizen. Now it maybe new for Arizona to have the cops check on immigration status (if suspected/profiled/whatever you want to say). But it nothing new in America to say "papers please". Well at least not here in Southern California with the Border Patrol.

That doesn't really happen. Border patrol stations are only on the border, and in no way interfere with people who live within 80 miles of the borders day to day lives. They don't ask if you are a US citizen, then ask for ID, then ask where you are coming from, then ask where you are going, what you are doing when you get there, how long you will be there, and what your mom's favorite color are.

All joking aside, it's the same down in Southern New Mexico. Amazing how it's fine for years, then all of a sudden it's an outrage that Police ask for Identification, and turn people not in the country legally over to the feds to be processed as the criminals they are.
 
2010-05-18 06:36:14 AM
I love how the rich and powerful can get leftists to defend the cheap, exploitable labor supply created by illegal immigration. Doesn't even cost them a dime. Dangle the accusation of "racism" in front of them and they froth like rabid dogs.
 
2010-05-18 06:50:38 AM
Tellingthem: I kind of posted this earlier. But I live in San Diego and have had to go through numerous Border Patrol checkpoints. Now these are NOT at the border with Mexico but along the 8 highway (and others). And almost everytime they will ask about your citizenship and destination. And I have been detained, had my car searched, and my id run at one of these before (CA/AZ Border). And yes I am white and a citizen. Now it maybe new for Arizona to have the cops check on immigration status (if suspected/profiled/whatever you want to say). But it nothing new in America to say "papers please". Well at least not here in Southern California with the Border Patrol.

I've been down there. They asked for my identification. I gave them my mil ID and TX driver's license. They ran them both while I waited in my car, they said sorry, and I was given a handshake and permission to move along. I didn't know what was going on, so I asked, and he said, "We just had to make sure the ID is valid. This is a common highway for illegals."

What the hell did YOU hand them when they asked for ID?
 
2010-05-18 06:52:15 AM
soy_bomb: I love how the rich and powerful can get leftists to defend the cheap, exploitable labor supply created by illegal immigration. Doesn't even cost them a dime. Dangle the accusation of "racism" in front of them and they froth like rabid dogs.

This.

If you want the Mexicans in then you make it easier, cheaper, and faster for them to get in legitimately. You don't encourage them to bypass the proper authority and break the law as their first act on American soil. You also don't propagate a black market for human transport and indentured servitude.
Relax the border crossing requirements so people can drive over in a dollar bus.

...of course the reality is probably that there are just as many racists on the left as there are on the right. They don't want expanded immigration either, they just want to poke their thumb in the eye of a republican by trying to grab the moral high ground.
 
2010-05-18 06:56:29 AM
soy_bomb: I love how the rich and powerful can get leftists to defend the cheap, exploitable labor supply created by illegal immigration. Doesn't even cost them a dime. Dangle the accusation of "racism" in front of them and they froth like rabid dogs.

Right. All the calls for "fine the fark out of the employers!" are from anti business, right wingers.
 
2010-05-18 06:57:44 AM
No one really expects liberals to know the facts.
 
2010-05-18 07:01:02 AM
Random Reality Check:
We used to make fun of societies that demanded "papers please" when I was a kid.


And I still make fun of people who think you can get a ticket, get arrested, get a citation etc without showing ID.

Deadite: Also would anyone here like to deny that cops like to pull minorities over for any little thing? I mean all jokes have to start with some basis in reality, or was this (nsfw) just some random joke created out of no where with no basis in reality. My point about that is section E page 4 of sb1070, where it says "a peace officer may lawfully stop a person operating a motor vehicle if the officer has reasonable suspicion to believe the person is in violation of any civil traffic law and this section".

So what's reasonable suspicion for being an illegal in AZ? Damn those blond haired blue eyes illegals from Sweden takin or jerbs.


A truck filled with people in the flatbead.

A truck picking up a load of people outside a gas station. things a cop coudl arguably stop you for anyway.

Deadite: On page 5 it talks about day laborers, but it's worded in a way that the police can pull you over if your friend breaks down on the side of the road, calls you to pick him up and there's no parking lot to stop in, for him to get into your car. Expect red and blues in your mirror if you pull off onto the shoulder to stop and let him in.

If I am stopped on the side of the raod with a broken down car I would hipe the cops woudl stop.
 
2010-05-18 07:03:17 AM
The AZ immigration law poisoned my dog and sodomized my brother.

Really? We're still talking about this?

The AZ law is reality. It only enforces the federal immigration law and is fairly identical to most other immigration laws in other states.

Deal with it.
 
2010-05-18 07:06:26 AM
way south: ...of course the reality is probably that there are just as many racists on the left as there are on the right.

Both sides are bad!
 
2010-05-18 07:09:32 AM
Is it just me, or does anyone else think of ice cream whenever her name is mentioned?
 
2010-05-18 07:13:17 AM
Bocanegra: The AZ immigration law poisoned my dog and sodomized my brother.

Really? We're still talking about this?

The AZ law is reality. It only enforces the federal immigration law and is fairly identical to most other immigration laws in other states.

Deal with it.


It's not fair or identical.
And it is being dealt with.

First, we talk about it.
Then we contest it.
Then it gets overturned.

It's the American way.

/And you sodomized your brother. Quit lying.
 
2010-05-18 07:14:45 AM
Bocanegra: The AZ immigration law poisoned my dog and sodomized my brother.

Really? We're still talking about this?

The AZ law is reality. It only enforces the federal immigration law and is fairly identical to most other immigration laws in other states.

Deal with it.


We are. We're boycotting Arizona and its farking "blame the brown people" because our house in Scottsdale isn't worth a trillion dollars anymore.
 
2010-05-18 07:15:07 AM
dasqoot: crab66: I don't have to read the bible to know it's full of shiat.

Well I don't need to read the bible to know it's the undaunted Word of God.


The Word of God*

*written by man
 
2010-05-18 07:29:02 AM
If incompetence was a crime, this biatch would get the chair.
 
2010-05-18 07:33:38 AM
It is pretty much the same as most immigration laws in the country. Change immigration laws instead of biatching that it is racist. Make it easier for people to come to this country legally and we could be a little happier. Alas, we just continue to scream and call each other names without really getting to the heart of the problem.

Both groups are just plain stupid.
 
2010-05-18 07:39:49 AM
nopokerface: If incompetence was a crime, this biatch would get the chair.

So would 70% of the politicians in this country.
 
2010-05-18 08:06:37 AM
skipjack: No one really expects liberals to know the facts.


Glenn?
 
2010-05-18 08:14:10 AM
As far as I have been able to tell just about every person that has been criticizing the AZ bill doesn't have a clue about what's actually in it. They're way to busy repeating the really dumb shiat like "anti-brown people law" and "papers please" to have the time to learn.
People who think that "Illegal" is a race, don't read.
 
2010-05-18 08:16:21 AM
robrr2003: As far as I have been able to tell just about every person that has been criticizing the AZ bill doesn't have a clue about what's actually in it. They're way to busy repeating the really dumb shiat like "anti-brown people law" and "papers please" to have the time to learn.
People who think that "Illegal" is a race, don't read.


It's not the illegals stupid, it's the citizens.
 
2010-05-18 08:21:12 AM
Barbigazi: It's not the illegals stupid, it's the citizens.

This.

I don't understand why some folks still conveniently ignore that the actual issue people have with the bill has little to do with illegals.
 
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