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2010-05-17 09:42:56 PM
fisker: I feel sorry for people that bought this piece of shiat.

No you don't. You're grinding your teeth because you know in you're heart they're better than you.
 
2010-05-17 09:43:10 PM
lordargent: /I'm betting that Bentley has more features than my Maxima.

How many of them are *necessary* to get you safely, in relative comfort, relatively quickly and relatively stylishly from point A to point B? Absolutely farking NONE of them.

The Maxima is a pretty good car - good engine, safe, reasonably comfortable and stylish - and it'll get you where you need to go. The average laptop (PC or Mac) is a pretty good tool that will help most white collar workers get their job done and have a little fun, too.

The Bentley serves no other purpose than being a really fun, really cool, really awesome-looking toy for people who choose to spend their money on such toys...

Do you see where I'm going with this?
 
2010-05-17 09:50:53 PM
Infamous Dr. X: I want to implement a new rule: before anyone bashes the iPad on the sheep/gotta-have-it-people principle, they must first bash things like Jaguars, Rolls-Royces, Bentleys, Cigarette Boats, NetJet Memberships, Groceries from Whole Foods, the Xbox Elite, Real Messenger Bags Worn by Non-Messengers, etc. etc.

Just for laughs. Jaguar: sat in the new XJ at the NY auto show, shiatty nav system crashed. Don't trust Jaguar with electronics. Rolls-Royces: underpowered V12 (only 453 HP, WTF BMW OMG LOL) Bentley: Continental GT is driven by Paris Hilton, enough said. Cigarette Boats: Something to do with Obama? WTF this guy's problem? NetJet: Real men own their own 747 with strippers and a bar. Whole Foods: Hipster douches only. Xbox 360 Elite: Will RROD on you when you look at it funny. Messenger bags worn by non-messengers: I'm gonna rip your dick off if I see you, a non-messenger, wearing a messenger bag.
 
2010-05-17 09:59:52 PM
Tourney3p0: This of course goes unsaid, as we're already a step ahead of you on that one.

If by "step ahead" you mean "missing the point completely", yeah, sure.

Jaguars, Rolls-Royces and Bentleys are all wicked nice, but not a damn thing they do is necessary. For anywhere from .75 to .25 the price of those rides, I can have a BMW or Merc that will provide more comfort, style and speed than anyone really *needs*.

Let's be honest. That awesome frickin' whoopass Windows (or Linux) PC I assume you rock? It's a tricked-out Honda, nothing more. You bought a bunch of groovy aftermarket parts, re-built the engine, added a nitrous tank, and cobbled together a sweet-ass ricer that outperforms the stock BMW 335i, gets the ricer girl's panties all wet, and can outrun any cop this side of Milan. And that's great for you, and for all your pals who love that sort of shiat.

But you know what? The dude who buys the Merc, the Jag, the Roller, doesn't give a SH*T about what your japanese rocketship can do, or how you built it, or how it'll blow his pal's Maser off the line. Because he doesn't want or need that kind of shiat.

What does the Bentley have that your rice machine doesn't have? Nicer leather. A swiss chronometer. A light-up rocker panel. Snob appeal. It does several things - cruise, look good, advertise wealth and general awesomeness - really well. But can you outrun the cops in it? Can you haul a bunch of drunken club girls in it without fear of ruining the leather? Can you use it as a true daily driver? If it got towed, would you have a stroke? Yeah, maybe you could, but I'd bet not even you WOULD.

This isn't such a tough concept. Some people, even though in many aspects the tricked-out ricer is BETTER, don't want it - they prefer the Mercedes C-class or Jag S-type or the leased Bentley GT because it makes them feel nice.

You wanna bash the iPad? Fine, it's cool. I get it. But start bashing other luxury goods, too, because I'm tired of hearing about how the iPad is for sheep - I want to hear about $5/lb Leeks and $200 "Authentic Messsenger Bags" and $200K rocketboats being for sheep for a bit, too.
 
2010-05-17 10:01:47 PM
Infamous Dr. X: The Bentley serves no other purpose than being a really fun, really cool, really awesome-looking toy for people who choose to spend their money on such toys...

Do you see where I'm going with this?


Love the car analogies. I used one myself when a pal asked me what I had against the ipad. He said the ipad not having usb was no different than buying a new car with no navigation system. I said 'no, the usb port is not like the navigation system, it's more like the cigarette lighter, and your car has three of them.'
 
2010-05-17 10:03:13 PM
Infamous Dr. X: I want to hear about $5/lb Leeks and $200 "Authentic Messsenger Bags" and $200K rocketboats being for sheep for a bit, too.

Post an article - you'll hear plenty. This thread however, is about the ipad.
 
2010-05-17 10:03:43 PM
A Geek Squad agent pointed out that it wasn't charging properly either.

If you have to go to geek squad you are not qualified to write a tech blog.
 
2010-05-17 10:04:36 PM
Infamous Dr. X: lordargent: /I'm betting that Bentley has more features than my Maxima.

How many of them are *necessary* to get you safely, in relative comfort, relatively quickly and relatively stylishly from point A to point B? Absolutely farking NONE of them.

The Maxima is a pretty good car - good engine, safe, reasonably comfortable and stylish - and it'll get you where you need to go. The average laptop (PC or Mac) is a pretty good tool that will help most white collar workers get their job done and have a little fun, too.

The Bentley serves no other purpose than being a really fun, really cool, really awesome-looking toy for people who choose to spend their money on such toys...

Do you see where I'm going with this?


A Bentley is engineered well, and delivers features beyond that of a Maxima. This includes better brakes, better suspension, better crash protection, better ride, better styling, a more powerful engine, more creature comforts, and a transmission with gears instead of that god awful CVT. Furthermore, and Bentley will go ANYWHERE your Maxima will go.

Now lets compare a real computer to an iPad.
With an ipad you get, less processor power, less storage space, less customization ability, a cumbersome interface that lacks any tactile feedback, and cannot display an enormous amount of content that currently exists in the wild. Not to mention the app market lock-in.

So I suppose if a Bentley came with less horsepower, a shiatty suspension, numb steering and didn't work on dirt roads because the designers at Bentley considered them legacy technology, and the stereo only played CD's approved of by Bentley then it would be roughly equivalent to an iPad.
 
2010-05-17 10:04:50 PM
spamdog: Ted Haggard's Poop-Stained Replicock: It's something to note that so many people have to go out of their way to tell the world why they don't own one or won't get one. Say what you will about its usefulness, it obviously is marketed well and provides a good deal of utility to quite a large segment of the population. People are almost getting defensive about not getting one. That means it is working well for Apple.

That's the backlash against Apple's marketing strategy. The iPad is for hip young people on the go. I guess the implication is that if you don't own one, you're a crotchety old PC user who tells kids to get off his lawn. Naturally people do not like this (probably accurate) assumption, so they get on the internet and rage out at Apple users.

/I know by personal experience


Or maybe Apple threw a dud into their otherwise awesome lineup of products, and yet they still gave it the "next new thing" treatment. That leaves a group who will snatch it up anyway and another subset who sees the "dudliness" in contrast to the hype. I could see that - if you have an iPod and/or an iPhone, and you are happy with it, you might find yourself somewhat obligated to consider this next thing, but it just doesn't deliver as cleanly as you might hope. But that still speaks volumes about the success of Apple's marketing; it's making people feel weird about not liking the next new thing from Apple. Apple better knock the next-next new thing out of the park to compensate.
 
2010-05-17 10:05:40 PM
AmazingRuss: fisker: I feel sorry for people that bought this piece of shiat.

No you don't. You're grinding your teeth because you know in you're heart they're better than you.


this farking tablet is going to be the most expensive piece of shiat that is limited to facebook and twitter than you will ever see. thanks apple! because I wasn't able to do this 10 YEARS AGO!
 
2010-05-17 10:06:33 PM
Infamous Dr. X:
Jaguars, Rolls-Royces and Bentleys are all wicked nice, but not a damn thing they do is necessary.


I understand what you're trying to say, but I disagree with the point you seem to think you're making.

You're saying, "If you make fun of the iPad, you should make fun of a Jaguar!" This is a terrible analogy, as the Jaguar offers more features and considerably more comfort. Yes, these features and comfort are unnecessary. However, this is irrelevant. What is relevant, however, is the fact that the iPad is lacking several features that many of its competitors have, at less cost.

So again I say, join us in mocking overpriced, underfeatured iProducts. Or you can keep pretending that the iPad should be compared to the Rolls Royce. Just don't be surprised when everyone else rolls their eyes.
 
2010-05-17 10:07:40 PM
JohnBigBootay: This thread however, is about the ipad.

How many do we need? And why do we need to have the fanbois and the haters roll out all the same ruddy bloody hackneyed comments each time? I mean, we get it! Haters pooh-pooh it! People who like it say, "gee, I actually like it!" Haters tell likers "you're farking stupid!"

I mean, doesn't this get old, even for the zealots?
 
2010-05-17 10:10:12 PM
Oh. One more iPad/Bentley comparison.

You can drive a Bentley and use the sat nav, and listen to a CD at the same time.

If a Bentley was an iPad, you could drive, use the sat nav, or listen to a CD, but not at the same time.

/Use two iPads. Multitask.
 
2010-05-17 10:12:10 PM
fluffy2097: Now lets compare a real computer to an iPad.
With an ipad you get, less processor power, less storage space, less customization ability, a cumbersome interface that lacks any tactile feedback, and cannot display an enormous amount of content that currently exists in the wild. Not to mention the app market lock-in.


A few things here:

1) The problem with comparing an iPad to a computer is, despite what the "magical and revolutionary" marketing says, it's not supposed to be a real computer, it's a mobile device.
2) The hardware specs are a good point but keep in mind, much like how a netbook has worse specs than a laptop/desktop, it's not meant to be one of those. What would be a better point here is the price-to-hardware.
3) I really don't see how you can call the interface "cumbersome". As many people have pointed out, it's basically an iPod/iTouch with a bigger screen. And one thing those devices do well is the interface. If you don't find touch-screen interfaces to work well for you, that's fine, but that's just touch-screens in general as opposed to iPad-specific.
4) Flash is obviously a point of contention but let's not exaggerate it here by talking about how it's a "majority of content in the wild". If you really want to go that route, then you can say the majority of that content is useless ad crap that most people don't want to look at anyway.
 
2010-05-17 10:14:29 PM
Drillfork: A few things here:

1) The problem with comparing an iPad to a computer is, despite what the "magical and revolutionary" marketing says, it's not supposed to be a real computer, it's a mobile device.
2) The hardware specs are a good point but keep in mind, much like how a netbook has worse specs than a laptop/desktop, it's not meant to be one of those. What would be a better point here is the price-to-hardware.
3) I really don't see how you can call the interface "cumbersome". As many people have pointed out, it's basically an iPod/iTouch with a bigger screen. And one thing those devices do well is the interface. If you don't find touch-screen interfaces to work well for you, that's fine, but that's just touch-screens in general as opposed to iPad-specific.
4) Flash is obviously a point of contention but let's not exaggerate it here by talking about how it's a "majority of content in the wild". If you really want to go that route, then you can say the majority of that content is useless ad crap that most people don't want to look at anyway.


you seem to be missing the entire analogy portion of my post.

Please read it and try again.
 
2010-05-17 10:14:52 PM
Jaakobi: So you don't think there is legitimate criticism of iPad and whatever other Apple products? TFA listed some complaints, and some people have other complaints.

There are legitimate complaints. The article, however, cited none of them other than "It doesn't run Flash," which is something the author knew before he purchased the iPad.

This article amounts to "My McDonald's cheeseburger didn't have chicken in it, and I couldn't figure out how to eat it and it didn't have a top bun, so I sent it back."

I realize Fark isn't news, but this is worse than Ric Romero. At least he's adorably naive.
 
2010-05-17 10:15:54 PM
fluffy2097: you seem to be missing the entire analogy portion of my post.

Please read it and try again.


You compared a computer and an iPad. I attempted to refute that comparison and bring up a few things that I thought countered some of the aspects about the iPad you find negative.
 
2010-05-17 10:16:11 PM
Infamous Dr. X: JohnBigBootay: This thread however, is about the ipad.

How many do we need? And why do we need to have the fanbois and the haters roll out all the same ruddy bloody hackneyed comments each time?


New here?
 
2010-05-17 10:16:21 PM
Infamous Dr. X : Do you see where I'm going with this?

Actually, I think you missed my point.

A Benton has more features than my Maxima so you would actually get more features (even if it is just luxury) from the additional cash you dole out.

Whereas an iPad seems to have fewer features than a netbook, or a tablet (for example, the lack of USB ports).

IE, in the case of an iPad, I don't see why anyone would dish out the extra dough. I know of several reasons why people would pay extra to buy a Mac PC desktop or laptop, but the iPad is just confusing to me.

I guess the big question to me is, what can be done on an iPad that can't be done on another tablet or netbook?
 
2010-05-17 10:17:20 PM
The Icelander: Jaakobi: So you don't think there is legitimate criticism of iPad and whatever other Apple products? TFA listed some complaints, and some people have other complaints.

There are legitimate complaints. The article, however, cited none of them other than "It doesn't run Flash," which is something the author knew before he purchased the iPad.

This article amounts to "My McDonald's cheeseburger didn't have chicken in it, and I couldn't figure out how to eat it and it didn't have a top bun, so I sent it back."

I realize Fark isn't news, but this is worse than Ric Romero. At least he's adorably naive.


He also listed that the wifi dropped all the time on BOTH iPads he owned, and it wouldn't properly display charging status, both of which are things apple seems to be unable or unwilling to address.
 
2010-05-17 10:17:51 PM
Infamous Dr. X: The Bentley serves no other purpose than being a really fun, really cool, really awesome-looking toy for people who choose to spend their money on such toys...

Do you see where I'm going with this?


Are you going towards "overly expensive status symbol"?
 
2010-05-17 10:19:06 PM
Drillfork: fluffy2097: you seem to be missing the entire analogy portion of my post.

Please read it and try again.

You compared a computer and an iPad. I attempted to refute that comparison and bring up a few things that I thought countered some of the aspects about the iPad you find negative.


You took the entire post out of context in order to make a snarky reply to a post that was not addressed to you.

and you're still doing it.
 
2010-05-17 10:20:42 PM
Tomorrow I am taking my first business trip without a laptop in over a decade thanks to getting VDI working on the iPad. Totally farking worth it.

/once we got that working - our business bought 10 of the things
 
2010-05-17 10:20:49 PM
lordargent: I guess the big question to me is, what can be done on an iPad that can't be done on another tablet or netbook?

From someone that's used both (but currently does not plan to buy the iPad until I see what competing tablets look like or they get another hardware revision out):

1) Battery life is better
2) The screen may be the same size, but the display is much better.
3) I don't mind the touchscreen interface, so I like not having the keyboard. The entire thing feels more portable.

It's not meant to replace a netbook in the situation where you need to *create* content. But if I'm sitting around just surfing the web, using facebook, listening to music, or want to run a minor app, which is about 90% of my activities on my home computer, it'd be great.
 
2010-05-17 10:21:16 PM
Tourney3p0: So again I say, join us in mocking overpriced, underfeatured iProducts.

You are talking about its features and (lack of) benefits, and how it is far outclassed in a usefulness sense by cheaper products. I do not disagree with you at all, because you are quite correct.

I will recast my argument. Perhaps a Bentley is too good to qualify as an example. How about a circa 1994 Jaguar XJ12, before Ford fixed all the electrical issues? Will that suffice? The argument, recast, as follows:

I am talking about a product that generates revenue for a business by appealing to people who don't give a shiat about the things you're talking about. This is why I think it's a brilliant product. It's like a f*ing 1994 Jaguar XJ12:

Maxima: I will throw a fishing pole, a bait bucket, and the bleeding, hacked-about striped bass I just caught in the trunk. I will drive it in bad weather and not worry about the finish. I will eat a Hostess pudding pie, get crumbs on the seat, crumple up the wrapper and throw it in the backseat. I will get muddy as hell playing football with my pals, get in the car, and drive home.

Jaguar XJ12: I wouldn't do ANY of the above with this car. Yes, it has a lot of awesome features, but its usefulness is limited by those features. I really CAN'T do anything in that car except drive around in $300 khakis, blue sport coat, deck shoes, and a spiffy driving cap, talking about how I shot a 62 with Muffy and Buffy over at the farking Snootie Patootie Country Club and now I'm going to consume a quart of Gin and run that asshat Fossington-Gore's J-Boat up on some rocks in the Lakeside Regatta, but ONLY inbetween telling you stories about how my beautiful, luxurious, faster-than-hell farking XJ12 is always in the farking shop.

What you and your hater pals (and I) consider "lack of benefits", other people don't give a shiat about, because they're too happy having their friggin' rich guy toy.

And those people will run to the store to buy their luxury TOY. And it will send a lot of money all through the value chain. And for that reason, I love it, support it, and think it's brilliant.
 
2010-05-17 10:22:46 PM
fluffy2097: You took the entire post out of context in order to make a snarky reply to a post that was not addressed to you.

and you're still doing it.


Ummm, what? How was anything I said snarky? I wanted to debate your comparison of an iPad and a computer. I put out serious points, with nothing sarcastic or mocking. And (and here's snarky for you) I didn't realize I needed your permission to reply to a post on a public message board.
 
2010-05-17 10:23:07 PM
I was just at the doctor's office and an older Time there was full of blowing Apple over the iPad.
 
2010-05-17 10:24:01 PM
Infamous Dr. X:
I will recast my argument. Perhaps a Bentley is too good to qualify as an example. How about a circa 1994 Jaguar XJ12, before Ford fixed all the electrical issues? Will that suffice?


Let's go with Hummer H2. Functionally crippled compared to other off road vehicles while still being expensive as hell. The 1994 Jaguar XJ12 is at least a turd that can be polished.
 
2010-05-17 10:24:34 PM
lordargent: I guess the big question to me is, what can be done on an iPad that can't be done on another tablet or netbook?

With an iPad you can use it as a benchmark of your self-worth and to show your status to everyone else.

With your new found self-worth and social status, you will finally be able to fit in with other people and be a part of something.

You can't do that with a netbook.
 
2010-05-17 10:25:31 PM
tallguywithglasseson: Are you going towards "overly expensive status symbol"?

BINGO! And it's making Apple a METRIC FARK-TON of money! Because people LOVE over-priced status symbols, ESPECIALLY when said over-priced status symbol lets them do things they really like to do without having to worry about things like choices or configuration, and even MORE especially when they don't have the frickin' wherewithal to make those choices or handle that configuration in the first place!

I absolutely LOVE products that fill a niche, start a conversation, and make their producer a fark-ton of money, even if I won't farking buy one until it has a goddamn file-management system and a farking USB drive.
 
2010-05-17 10:25:33 PM
Infamous Dr. X: yaknowwhatI'msayin?

I get it..but I don't see a need to buy a gimped device that costs more than another device that does MORE than what the iPad does, and does it for less.

Apple fans buy stuff blindly and promote a terrible business model, not all, but enough. You know full damn well that the iPad 2.0 will have everything (or most things) that the first gen iPad should've shipped with, but it didn't.
Hey if they want to blow their money, then go for it..as a smart consumer, I'd demand a solid product, but I guess some Apple fans are too stupid, or don't care.

It's a shame too, imagine what products Apple would come out with if their consumers were smart and demanded that their products had the features they should.
Imagine if the Android-based phones launched at the same time the iPhones did? do you think that we'd still see the same exact tech in phones as we do today? Or do you think that we'd be a generation or a feature set ahead?
 
2010-05-17 10:25:38 PM
I have an opinion of the ipad and I support this opinion with cherry picked features/faults. Anyone who disagrees with me is an idiot.
 
2010-05-17 10:25:51 PM
Tourney3p0:

Let's go with Hummer H2. Functionally crippled compared to other off road vehicles while still being expensive as hell. The 1994 Jaguar XJ12 is at least a turd that can be polished.


I should also add that, as I said before, we're already a step ahead of you in mocking things like that.
 
2010-05-17 10:27:57 PM
Dr.Knockboots: It's a shame too, imagine what products Apple would come out with if their consumers were smart and demanded that their products had the features they should. Imagine if the Android-based phones launched at the same time the iPhones did? do you think that we'd still see the same exact tech in phones as we do today? Or do you think that we'd be a generation or a feature set ahead?

To be fair, that's almost always first-gen stuff in general. Android has had plenty of problems on the way and early adopters had and will have to upgrade to take advantage of the new stuff. For some reason, and this is probably their own fault with their "magical" and "revolutionary" marketing, Apple gets a lot more backlash than these other companies do, at least on this site.
 
2010-05-17 10:28:13 PM
Dr.Knockboots: "You don't sell over 1 million devices just because people are curious."

Yeah, you sell a lot of those devices to sheep and people that just needed to have the iPad, despite already owning an iPod and laptop/netbook. If you didn't already own a laptop/netbook, then why buy a gimped device?

16gig for $500.00.. no 3G? wow.. ouch.


SIXTEEN GIGABYTES? I can get a Sixteen Gigabyte MICRO SD CARD for $35
 
2010-05-17 10:29:12 PM
fluffy2097: He also listed that the wifi dropped all the time on BOTH iPads he owned, and it wouldn't properly display charging status, both of which are things apple seems to be unable or unwilling to address.

I've not heard anything about wifi issues, but if it's two iPads the culprit is likely not the new hardware but the old network.

The charging status is a fairly minor issue. The battery life is outstanding and it comes with a charger that works 100% of the time.

Again: He couldn't figure out how to eat the hamburger, (his janky wifi didn't work with the either iPad) it didn't have ketchup on it (there were charging issues) and it wasn't made of chicken (it doesn't run Flash). What in there makes this news?
 
2010-05-17 10:29:35 PM
FlashHarry: um... the guy took it to "the geek squad?" what is he, 75?

Best Buy often makes you run any returns that are computerish things by geek squad before they will accept them.

vartian: email me pictures of cats

How is she going to get those pictures of cats on her iPad?


Played with one in a store. Slick device. Can't think of a rationale to spend that kind of money on one. At half the price it might be worth it. The fact that there is already a spot for a camera in the shell shows the fact that apple is just farking with consumers.

//needs a usb port
 
2010-05-17 10:30:09 PM
Tourney3p0: Let's go with Hummer H2.

Agreed, perfect example. As you said, "functionally crippled when compared to other off-road vehicles" (like my '99 Wrangler) yet still sold like absolute farking hot-cakes.

Deplorable product, but brilliant, especially when you consider it was a net-profit MACHINE, being built on the same GMT-900 plaftform as every other GM SUV and being nothing more than a badge-engineered frankenstein's monster.

The only difference between the H2 and the iPad is that I can actually find a couple uses for the iPad, whereas I could find none for an H2 (but that's just me).
 
2010-05-17 10:30:39 PM
No wonder they didn't put a USB port on the damn thing! You could multiply the disk space by a few orders of magnitude!
 
2010-05-17 10:30:43 PM
The Icelander: I've not heard anything about wifi issues, but if it's two iPads the culprit is likely not the new hardware but the old network.

There's actually been a lot of reports of wifi problems with the iPad, specifically with it losing the connection. I haven't followed it enough to know if they determined it to be hardware or software based or if there's a fix, but there was definitely something up with some of the iPads.
 
2010-05-17 10:30:58 PM
Ted Haggard's Poop-Stained Replicock: But that still speaks volumes about the success of Apple's marketing; it's making people feel weird about not liking the next new thing from Apple.

Yep. It seems to have triggered off an undying flame war of Apple hate/fandom.
 
2010-05-17 10:31:16 PM
Dr.Knockboots: It's a shame too, imagine what products Apple would come out with if their consumers were smart and demanded that their products had the features they should.

I don't think you understand how capitalism works. You see, we don't demand things from companies. Companies make things and put them in the marketplace. We're free to choose which ones we want to buy. The ones that don't sell well are discontinued or modified to be more appealing to consumers.

Nowhere in here are we placing demands on companies for things we want.
 
2010-05-17 10:31:26 PM
Drillfork: 1) Battery life is better

There's a MSI netbook that has a 25 hour battery life. At some point, there's more battery life in a device than you actually need. For example, I'm fine with my own netbook which has a 5 hour battery life.

2) The screen may be the same size, but the display is much better.

Citation needed "better" isn't exactly qualitative. Screen quality is just an arms race anyway. Plus, apple is not a screen manufacturer/designer, so someone could potentially go buy the same LCD panel and slap it in their own device.

3) I don't mind the touchscreen interface, so I like not having the keyboard. The entire thing feels more portable.

Some things are better with a keyboard, some things are better with a touch screen. Some netbooks & laptops have both.
 
2010-05-17 10:32:04 PM
Dr.Knockboots: It's a shame too, imagine what products Apple would come out with if their consumers were smart and demanded that their products had the features they should.

Really? You seriously believe that? What you seem to miss is that Apple doesn't release a feature unless it works and works well. In that order. Copy and Paste wasn't in the original version of the iPhone OS - but it is now and its the best implementation of it and it works flawlessly time and time again. Too many vendors (*cough* microsoft *cough*) release features for features sake which results in a horrible user experience and an unstable product.

/i have no problem paying extra for a user experience that is predictable and can be relied on at 3am in the morning when I have to quickly resolve an issue.
//guess what - a lot of others do to
 
2010-05-17 10:34:02 PM
Tourney3p0: I should also add that, as I said before, we're already a step ahead of you in mocking things like that.

Ah, see, that's where we differ, and it goes back to a couple posts ago.

You mock it, because you think it sucks.

I love it, because even though you think it sucks, I can that it is 1) making a lot of people happy, and 2) making its producer a ton of money and infusing revenue & proft all up and down a lengthy value chain.

I think the difference in views on the topic might be because you are (I assume?) a tech geek/engineer type, whereas I am a businessperson/leech on society.
 
2010-05-17 10:34:12 PM
Infamous Dr. X: The only difference between the H2 and the iPad is that I can actually find a couple uses for the iPad, whereas I could find none for an H2 (but that's just me).

The analogy with the H2 completely fails for a simple reason. The price.
 
2010-05-17 10:34:35 PM
Drillfork: There's actually been a lot of reports of wifi problems with the iPad, specifically with it losing the connection. I haven't followed it enough to know if they determined it to be hardware or software based or if there's a fix, but there was definitely something up with some of the iPads.

The fact that it didn't work with either of his iPads makes me think that the issue is with specific networks. The iPad has some strange wifi behavior and this is the likely culprit if this specifically affects people with certain wireless access points or chipsets.

\Hasn't had an issue with wifi connectivity
 
2010-05-17 10:35:10 PM
bravian: /i have no problem paying extra for a user experience that is predictable and can be relied on at 3am in the morning when I have to quickly resolve an issue.
//guess what - a lot of others do to


You're so cool. Will you be my friend?
 
2010-05-17 10:35:46 PM
Infamous Dr. X: I think the difference in views on the topic might be because you are (I assume?) a tech geek/engineer type, whereas I am a businessperson/leech on society.

I'm a tech geek and I adore the iPad. This of course labels me a "fanboi"
 
2010-05-17 10:37:45 PM
lordargent: There's a MSI netbook that has a 25 hour battery life. At some point, there's more battery life in a device than you actually need. For example, I'm fine with my own netbook which has a 5 hour battery life.

I'd be curious to see what they did for a 25 hour battery life. Regardless, the battery life on a typical netbook runs anywhere from 4-6 hours, so that was the number I was going by.

Citation needed "better" isn't exactly qualitative. Screen quality is just an arms race anyway. Plus, apple is not a screen manufacturer/designer, so someone could potentially go buy the same LCD panel and slap it in their own device.

Fair enough, let me clarify. It may not be that the hardware itself is better in that aspect, but everything being displayed has been specifically designed for that resolution (discounting the apps written previous to iPad of course). On a netbook, content is simply scaled down, as opposed to being made specifically for that size screen. It's not necessarily a flaw since a netbook is more general-purpose. I'm just saying that, for what I would use a tablet for, the iPad (and probably future competitors) designed the interface and content specifically for that screen and resolution, and it looks better.
 
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