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(Ars Technica)   For the 2,094 of you who downloaded(and, what's worse, apparently watched) Uwe Boll's Far Cry, you may have a white knight at your side; your ISP   (arstechnica.com) divider line 210
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2010-05-17 04:22:00 PM
I think they should have to "prove" it was worth watching first. After all, grocery's offer samples, and still people don't buy.
 
2010-05-17 04:22:44 PM
And yes, we could find many other ways in which people are manipulating the current law, in order to profit (one great example would be "premium text messaging"), but again, that's another argument for another article.
 
2010-05-17 04:23:19 PM
nosepicker: fark comcast. on my list of 10 companies NEVER seeing a drop from me ever again. Along with shiatsubishi, AOL, Sprint, Vonage...

I would like to add Samsung (SAMSUCKS) to the list of sorry arsed company that will never see another penny of mine.
 
2010-05-17 04:23:27 PM
Dachande18: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Encryption, people, encryption

Maybe some other more technically minded farker can set the record straight, but I was under the impression that BitTorrent encryption (by which I mean, for example, clicking "Force Encryption" in uTorrent) did nothing to mask the actual IP address of the person downloading or what the contents of the file were. I thought I read that Bittorrent, as a technology, was very open and easily traceable - anyone could see who was downloading what just by looking at the tracker.

Again, not sure, but I don't think "ZOMG, enable encryption!" would have helped in this situation, because I was under the impression that the bittorrent encryption was developed to hamper ISP's attempts to automatically manage bandwidth by detecting and obstructing bittorrent traffic.


That's right the encryption just makes it harder for your ISP or anything between you and your peers to figure out what you're trading around but lends nothing to hide your presence within that group. Meanwhile apps like peerblock act as quasi-firewalls that keep a constantly updating list of 'known bad' addresses and flat out stop you and them from talking to one another. This way if there is an wolf in sheep's clothing in the torrent there is a good chance it will never successfully talk with your computer.

Between the two it helps a lot to the surviving bear attacks defense, just be more slippery then someone else and you escape.
 
2010-05-17 04:23:50 PM
Emmanuelle Vaugier
 
2010-05-17 04:24:23 PM
I seriously do not know what a Uwe Boll is and could not identify it in a lineup.
 
2010-05-17 04:24:41 PM
Dachande18: Maybe some other more technically minded farker can set the record straight, but I was under the impression that BitTorrent encryption (by which I mean, for example, clicking "Force Encryption" in uTorrent) did nothing to mask the actual IP address of the person downloading or what the contents of the file were. I thought I read that Bittorrent, as a technology, was very open and easily traceable - anyone could see who was downloading what just by looking at the tracker.

Again, not sure, but I don't think "ZOMG, enable encryption!" would have helped in this situation, because I was under the impression that the bittorrent encryption was developed to hamper ISP's attempts to automatically manage bandwidth by detecting and obstructing bittorrent traffic.


Pretty much, yeah.... but, I think the poster you are responding to is advocating file encryption as a means of obfuscating any evidence which might be acquired during the execution of a search warrant.
 
2010-05-17 04:25:27 PM
Christ, I didn't even know this movie came out. Apparently it was never released in the US.
 
2010-05-17 04:26:00 PM
CrispFlows: wildsnowllama: CygnusDarius: TXEric: What the fark is an Uwe Boll, anyway? Is he a basketball player?

STOP IT. You know what a Justin Beiber is, you know who Uwe Boll is, you've seen that TV show, you've heard that song, you know that celebrity.

Quit the ironic "What is a---" thing, already.

Actually, I don't really know who Uwe Boll is.
*googles*
Oh.

Every time when I read that name, I can't help but think of Biggus Dickus.


Heh.

Every time I read Justin Beiber I think of it as Justin Beaver.
 
2010-05-17 04:26:08 PM
TheSelphie: Christ, I didn't even know this movie came out. Apparently it was never released in the US.

Addendum: Except in LA, according to imdb.
 
2010-05-17 04:26:41 PM
i79.photobucket.com

100 plus posts and none of this? For shame!
 
2010-05-17 04:26:43 PM
acronym: wildsnowllama: CygnusDarius: TXEric: What the fark is an Uwe Boll, anyway? Is he a basketball player?

STOP IT. You know what a Justin Beiber is, you know who Uwe Boll is, you've seen that TV show, you've heard that song, you know that celebrity.

Quit the ironic "What is a---" thing, already.

Actually, I don't really know who Uwe Boll is.
*googles*
Oh.

I had to look him up also - after reading his bio, he sounds like the director version of a patent troll


I haven't seen one of those films.
 
2010-05-17 04:27:03 PM
If you actually watched Far Cry, you've already been punished in a way that is both cruel and unusual.
 
2010-05-17 04:28:13 PM
CrispFlows: s1ugg0: TheMexicansLoveMe: I have a hypothetical for anyone with their Law GED handy.

If I torrented something like Far Cry on an open network like a university campus cane they sue me? On the flip side, if I run an unsecured wireless connection at home does that mean that I am liable for what somebody else does on my network?


As long as you do NOT keep logs, you are not liable. Since the router mangles all the packets, it's impossible to prove wrongdoing. However, that won't keep local law enforcement from being goddam inconvenient by confiscating all of your electronic crap and never giving it back.


On an open network like a university I think they have to be able to have some kind solid evidence. Like the DHCP lease for the offending IP has a MAC that matches the MAC of your NIC.


On the university level, many universities now maintain logs. Either use an anonymous vpn or don't break the law.

Lets say some asshole jerk of a friend told me to look up a unique searchword in GIS and the results were from illegal sites, Do I have good reason to pummel his ass?



Merely viewing something, especially if it was only once, or over a very limited set of views, isn't punishable. Especially if the URL is a blind link, or equivalent. www.getyourchildpornhereyoujackass.com will result in the police kicking your butt. www.pqokjnadu45.com will not. Essentially, it's much the same reason that the jackasses who post CP on 4chan don't get everyone arrested.
 
2010-05-17 04:28:22 PM
HellRaisingHoosier: What FARK has taught me about ... viewing ... movies from home:


1. Peer-blocker
2. File/Folder Encryption


Hooray!


I'm a long-time lurker, but somehow I missed the relevance/purpose of a 'peer-blocker'. I'm already getting ready to dig through my Google results on the subject, but are there any Farkers willing to give a quick Coles Notes version of what this technology does and/or any recommendations on software?

Google is great and all, but I always find word of mouth nets the most unique and useful software and games.
 
2010-05-17 04:28:55 PM
Another Classic Uwe Boll Moment (Definatley NSFW)

/The white cop is one of my favorite german actors, you might notice him from Gladiator, The Scorpion King, and Beerfest
 
2010-05-17 04:29:26 PM
RembrandtQEinstein: Uwe Boll deserves a lot of hate but anyone who invites critics to a charity boxing match and then beats the shiat out of them gets props in my book

It's a little less impressive when you find out that Uwe is a long time boxer who beat the shiat out of a bunch of basement bloggers.
 
Jha
2010-05-17 04:29:39 PM
Did these jackasses not learn anything from 1981? Basically the same deal, except involving people recording movies off of TV onto VHS tapes.
 
2010-05-17 04:32:20 PM
IrateShadow: RembrandtQEinstein: Uwe Boll deserves a lot of hate but anyone who invites critics to a charity boxing match and then beats the shiat out of them gets props in my book

It's a little less impressive when you find out that Uwe is a long time boxer who beat the shiat out of a bunch of basement bloggers.


It's impressive that a bunch of basement bloggers thought that they could hold their own in a boxing ring.
 
2010-05-17 04:33:12 PM
Well... assuming it matters, here is how to NOT get caught.

1. Buy a membership in an anonymous vpn. See ipredator, acevpn, etc. Just google it. It will run about 20/3 months or so. Cheap at the price.

2. Put anything illegal you download into a deniable encryption, see TrueCrypt. Put some tranny porn in the first encryption, so you have something to feel ashamed about when law enforcement forces you to give up the password.

3. Don't break the law. I know the third option sounds a bit odd, but it IS always there.
 
2010-05-17 04:35:19 PM
Kanemano: It's impressive that a bunch of basement bloggers thought that they could hold their own in a boxing ring.

Not the word I would choose, but I get your meaning. I will give him credit though in that at some point he did win against an amateur boxer/critic. That has to count for something.
 
2010-05-17 04:35:24 PM
DFWPhotoGuy: 100 plus posts and none of this? For shame!

THIS. If you're torrenting things like movies you damn well better be hiding behind a trustworthy proxy.
 
2010-05-17 04:36:29 PM
IdBeCrazyIf:

The movies don't actually make money though since the bulk of the movies produced get bought by bulk buyers. It's just a convenient way to shuffle money around and launder it when needed.


well, I guess I should have been less romantic with my argument and stuck to the intent: there is some business judgment for which he continues to be funded. There is a profit/loss analysis that justifies his movie making to someone.
 
2010-05-17 04:36:41 PM
Dachande18: I'm a long-time lurker, but somehow I missed the relevance/purpose of a 'peer-blocker'. I'm already getting ready to dig through my Google results on the subject, but are there any Farkers willing to give a quick Coles Notes version of what this technology does and/or any recommendations on software?

There's a few gems spread around already.
 
2010-05-17 04:37:41 PM
indinoheat: OMG I FINALLY GOT A GREEN LIGHT!!

Congrats! Next time don't forget the space before the witty part you copy and paste from the article!
 
2010-05-17 04:39:18 PM
BumpInTheNight:
That's right the encryption just makes it harder for your ISP or anything between you and your peers to figure out what you're trading around but lends nothing to hide your presence within that group. Meanwhile apps like peerblock act as quasi-firewalls that keep a constantly updating list of 'known bad' addresses and flat out stop you and them from talking to one another. This way if there is an wolf in sheep's clothing in the torrent there is a good chance it will never successfully talk with your computer.

Between the two it helps a lot to the surviving bear attacks defense, just be more slippery then someone else and you escape.


wmoonfox:
Pretty much, yeah.... but, I think the poster you are responding to is advocating file encryption as a means of obfuscating any evidence which might be acquired during the execution of a search warrant.

I think you guys just answered my follow-up question for the most part. I'm not sure how this technology escaped my notice for so damn long, but I'm definitely going to take a good, long look at this when I get home tonight. Thanks!
 
2010-05-17 04:40:31 PM
pute kisses like a man: IdBeCrazyIf: hairywoogit: How the HELLS does that guy even get directing jobs? Only way I can see it...

Writer "Well, this screenplay is a steaming pile that my son dreamed up while in the bathroom one day. I wrote it, but I am FAR to embarrassed to have my name on it... who wants to give me fifteen bucks for it?"

Ewe Boll "Ah'm yo huckleberry"

Blind Drunk Investor "Lets produce this steaming pile! I have to make my mark on culture somewhere, even if that mark is fungal blight!"

Dirty secret in Hollywood, movies like his are produced for the same reason the mob got into porn production.

because they make money?

I thought Uwe Boll made films because investors thought they could make a quick turnaround on their investments by putting money into a guy who will make a cheap movie quickly, where quality was of no issue. The business judgment being that the fan base already existed because his movies are based on popular video games. They weren't looking for blockbusters, they were only looking for enough people to buy enough tickets to cover the investment. Since he has been funded to make more than one movie, I'm assuming his investors have either made some profit, or at least gotten close enough to encourage a subsequent endeavor.



Actually, Uwe Boll's film company was part of an elaborate German income tax shelter. There was a huge tax deduction for investing in German-made films by German production companies, and the US distributor would lease the rights back from the "investor". The investor got like a 90% tax deduction, and received lease payments more or less equal to the "investment". The lease payments would be offset by the deduction -- thus exempt from German income tax. If the stupid movie made any money, profits would be paid to the "investors" on a schedule to minimize the tax impact.

In other words, Ze German has $100M income. Puts $100M into crappy Uwe Boll film, gets $100M tax deduction. US Distributor pays Ze German $100M over 5 years to "lease" the movie rights. This $100M income is offset by the tax deduction. So no income tax for Ze German. In the meantime, US Distributor got $100M from Ze German, but is paying it back over 5 years, so gets to play with the interest a bit and make some money off of that. Movie costs $10M-any profits are gravy, and Uwe gets a cut. The only losers? The poor schmucks that bought tickets to see the crappy movie!
 
2010-05-17 04:41:58 PM
pute kisses like a man: IdBeCrazyIf:

The movies don't actually make money though since the bulk of the movies produced get bought by bulk buyers. It's just a convenient way to shuffle money around and launder it when needed.

well, I guess I should have been less romantic with my argument and stuck to the intent: there is some business judgment for which he continues to be funded. There is a profit/loss analysis that justifies his movie making to someone.


To that I won't argue.

I just find it amusing that this tool actually thinks he gets work because he's good or something. Most schlock actors and directors accept their fate and take their paycheck.
 
2010-05-17 04:42:56 PM
otterrr: DFWPhotoGuy: 100 plus posts and none of this? For shame!

THIS. If you're torrenting things like movies you damn well better be hiding behind a trustworthy proxy.


I heard lemonparty.org has a great torrent search. Just fantastic.
 
2010-05-17 04:44:52 PM
CygnusDarius: TXEric: What the fark is an Uwe Boll, anyway? Is he a basketball player?

STOP IT. You know what a Justin Beiber is, you know who Uwe Boll is, you've seen that TV show, you've heard that song, you know that celebrity.

Quit the ironic "What is a---" thing, already.


Seriously... I knew of that Beiber chick/dude/whatever, but I thought this "Uwe" goomer was a soccer player, perhaps.

/Not a big soccer fan.
//Obviously.
\m/That's "unarmoured wankball" for our Brit friends...
\m/Horns for RIP RJD
 
2010-05-17 04:48:21 PM
DFWPhotoGuy: otterrr: DFWPhotoGuy: 100 plus posts and none of this? For shame!

THIS. If you're torrenting things like movies you damn well better be hiding behind a trustworthy proxy.

I heard lemonparty.org has a great torrent search. Just fantastic.


Nah thewillpower.org's blows it away.
 
2010-05-17 04:49:25 PM
Cashew: //Wake me up when they make the 'DOOM'-movie

*Travels back in time to wake up Cashew*
 
2010-05-17 04:55:35 PM
Worse yet, you'll never get that time back.
 
2010-05-17 04:56:40 PM
Far Cry was Farking Horrible...
 
2010-05-17 04:57:10 PM
s1ugg0: Even that is more work the necessary. From our core I can find out the subnet, physical bindings, what MAC addresses are ARPed, and any routing information with maybe a handful of commands.

Every time I get one of those subpoenas it's got the source IP of the torrent. That's all I need and I can have the customers name and phone number in less time then it took to post this.


Is that true even for historical searches? I would suspect that many of these requests are for DHCP leases which have long since expired. I wouldn't have thought that the network equipment would store six months worth of data.
 
2010-05-17 04:57:18 PM
BumpInTheNight:
This is where I appreciate the copyright laws of Canada, as far as I understand things its entirely legal for us to download anything we want(short of illegal materials any ways). Its only when we upload that it swings over to the illegal side. Still doesn't stop companies whining to our ISPs that they saw us grabbing their stuff though.

/I am a terrible torrent leech
//peerblock ftw


Enjoy it while you can. Harper is planning on steamrolling DMCA style legislation through parliment next month to please his American Corporate Masters (despite it being the opposite of what Canadians said they wanted during last years consultations).

It probably won't do any good, but my fellow Canadian Farkers, please inform yourselves and write your MP using this handy letter wizard (only takes a minute or two).
 
2010-05-17 04:57:58 PM
www.classesandcareers.com

What a uwe boll looks like.
 
2010-05-17 04:58:33 PM
Profehsah: Far Cry was Farking Horrible...

Are you familiar with Uwe Boll at all?
 
2010-05-17 04:58:53 PM
puffy999: However, being technically savvy is a liability? I do not believe that for a second. Heck, when does it even come up? I mean, I've seen a LOT of silly talking points regarding politics, but I don't think "that guy knows the difference between token ring and ARCNET" has ever been mentioned.

This is America. Calling someone Einstein is an insult. In political circles intellectual is synonymous with elitist. Bill Clinton was attacked by political opponents for being a Rhodes Scholar. When a nuclear physicist ran for President he was belittled for not being a lawyer. People who change their position on an issue after careful consideration because the situation has changed are condemned as "flip-floppers." People get thrown out of office for supporting the teaching of real science in schools. No, a science education and politics just don't mix well. It is a liability.

Question: How many computer programmers have served in high public office? How many former newscasters have? How many actors? The contrast is startling.
 
2010-05-17 05:00:16 PM
Sylver Dragon: s1ugg0: Even that is more work the necessary. From our core I can find out the subnet, physical bindings, what MAC addresses are ARPed, and any routing information with maybe a handful of commands.

Every time I get one of those subpoenas it's got the source IP of the torrent. That's all I need and I can have the customers name and phone number in less time then it took to post this.

Is that true even for historical searches? I would suspect that many of these requests are for DHCP leases which have long since expired. I wouldn't have thought that the network equipment would store six months worth of data.


For a really small scale ISP, it wouldn't be much of an issue to just put the data into a database. For the large ISP's, the amount of data is ridiculous. For anyone like Earthlink, Time-Warner, etc, it's simply cost prohibitive, especially since the IP address leases are so short.
 
2010-05-17 05:04:33 PM
I actually was going to explain how on earth Uwe Boll gets financing for those pigs.. but Tax Boy beat me to it.

/Nicely done btw.
 
gm
2010-05-17 05:08:05 PM
I'm a network administrator for a small mom and pop ISP and see these requests every day. The ones for any Uwe Boll movie I've considered turning in. Because we're so lazy, they still got the canned go fark yourself answer, but still it was considered.
 
2010-05-17 05:08:06 PM
tuffsnake 2010-05-17 03:44:00 PM
nosepicker: fark comcast. on my list of 10 companies NEVER seeing a drop from me ever again. Along with shiatsubishi, AOL, Sprint, Vonage...

I'd like to add u-haul to that list


I'd like to add Ron's Tire Service
 
2010-05-17 05:16:54 PM
hairywoogit: 1. Buy a membership in an anonymous vpn. See ipredator, acevpn, etc. Just google it. It will run about 20/3 months or so. Cheap at the price.

Pfft. Routing a slow protocol (BT) through a VPN. I'll just pay my $10/month to Astraweb, max out my internet connection and never have to worry about being sued. (No one has ever been sued for downloading, just for uploading).
 
2010-05-17 05:20:52 PM
Sylver Dragon: Is that true even for historical searches? I would suspect that many of these requests are for DHCP leases which have long since expired. I wouldn't have thought that the network equipment would store six months worth of data.

I can't speak for TW's network. But my network keeps logs of DHCP leases, CDRs, etc for at least a year and at max three years. Mostly for billing purposes. You wouldn't believe how many people try to get out of their bill with "I canceled this months ago, go ahead and look I don't even use it." And we email them graphs of bandwidth utilization for every day they dispute.

My company does entirely business class service, no residential. So you may be right. But keeping logs really isn't as difficult as you'd think. And storage space is dirt cheap these days.
 
2010-05-17 05:20:59 PM
i.imgur.com

Hans! Boubie! I'm your white knight.
 
2010-05-17 05:21:28 PM
down4afall: Hans! Boubie! I'm your white knight.

I can't believe I didn't think of that. Bravo sir.
 
2010-05-17 05:25:42 PM
So I understand Uwe Boll's business model operates as some sort of tax shelter. My question: Does it work like the one in The Producers? If we were to organize a massive "fan" group to generate interest and somehow make one of his movies a runaway hit, would it bankrupt his producers? One can dream, right? :P
 
2010-05-17 05:26:36 PM
What, no doyle? He was the best..double agent game-assistance character..ever.
 
2010-05-17 05:34:12 PM
I wonder if ATT is going to give up names?

I second the VPN idea, or using something like seedbox. PeerGuardian, etc can help. Saying "oh, it's not me, it's my open wireless" isn't going to do much, they can still put you on the hook for it.
 
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