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(Some Guy)   Monsanto to Haiti: "Here's $4 million worth of seeds. No catch, except you'll have to buy from us from now on."   (www1.voanews.com) divider line 106
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2010-05-17 04:32:06 PM
Nice headline. If it bore any resemblance to reality, it would probably have gone red.

Megacorporation gives $4,000,000 in seed to Haiti. That can only be bad in some pathetic pretend hippie socialist version of BizarroWorld.
 
2010-05-17 04:43:43 PM
dahmers love zombie: Megacorporation gives $4,000,000 in seed to Haiti. That can only be bad in some pathetic pretend hippie socialist version of BizarroWorld.

It's a breach of their fiduciary duty to the shareholders.
 
2010-05-17 04:58:43 PM
dahmers love zombie: Megacorporation gives $4,000,000 in seed to Haiti. That can only be bad in some pathetic pretend hippie socialist version of BizarroWorld.

Or in the regular world when Monsanto sues Haitian farmers for harvesting their seeds and replanting them. They have a history of doing this.
 
2010-05-17 05:00:25 PM
Haiti: Hey, thanks guys. And on the off chance that we decide not to honor our bargain next planting season, good luck trying to enforce our agreement in the Haitain courts...
 
2010-05-17 05:00:35 PM
dahmers love zombie: Nice headline. If it bore any resemblance to reality, it would probably have gone red.

This article didn't mention it, but this one (new window) does.

...they are sending hybrid seeds, which are produced by manually cross-pollinating plants. The company said the seeds produce larger yields than non-hybrid seeds, but that with such a variety new seeds have to be purchased and planted every year.


Basically, if Haiti lets these seeds in, that's it for Haiti's farmers. They will be forever indebted to Monsanto. Unless of course they burn the crops and replant with non-hybrid seeds. Doubt that will happen since turning down these seeds mean less food which they desperately need.

If you have some time to kill, watch Controlling Our Food (new window). It'll open your eyes as too what Monsanto has planned.
 
2010-05-17 05:00:39 PM
So that's what, 8 seeds?

True, they could sue the Haitian farmers for replanting them. But good luck collecting anything.
 
2010-05-17 05:00:59 PM
ne2d: dahmers love zombie: Megacorporation gives $4,000,000 in seed to Haiti. That can only be bad in some pathetic pretend hippie socialist version of BizarroWorld.

It's a breach of their fiduciary duty to the shareholders.


Unless there's a tax break for charitable donations.
 
2010-05-17 05:16:16 PM
Whatthefark: Basically, if Haiti lets these seeds in, that's it for Haiti's farmers. They will be forever indebted to Monsanto. Unless of course they burn the crops and replant with non-hybrid seeds. Doubt that will happen since turning down these seeds mean less food which they desperately need.

WTF are you babbling about? How does planting free Monsanto seeds this year prevent them from switching to traditional seeds next year?
 
2010-05-17 05:16:34 PM
To top it all off, if you want the plants to survive, you have to buy the fertilizer and pesticides from Monsanto, otherwise your crops will die because non-Monsanto versions of those chemicals (organic or not) will not work.

Welcome to hippie socialist bizzaroworld, where the hippies grew up and became good, all-American capitalists.
 
2010-05-17 05:17:44 PM
dahmers love zombie: Nice headline. If it bore any resemblance to reality, it would probably have gone red.

Megacorporation gives $4,000,000 in seed to Haiti. That can only be bad in some pathetic pretend hippie socialist version of BizarroWorld.


You don't know anything about Monsanto, do you? There are books and at least one documentary film about their practices which have been discussed here on Fark at length so the reference in the headline shouldn't have been obscure.
 
2010-05-17 05:20:36 PM
Monsanto loves to sue people after Monsanto's own product gets airborne and infects the crops downwind.
 
2010-05-17 05:27:35 PM
Fish in a Barrel: Whatthefark: Basically, if Haiti lets these seeds in, that's it for Haiti's farmers. They will be forever indebted to Monsanto. Unless of course they burn the crops and replant with non-hybrid seeds. Doubt that will happen since turning down these seeds mean less food which they desperately need.

WTF are you babbling about? How does planting free Monsanto seeds this year prevent them from switching to traditional seeds next year?


Planting a new crop isn't like working on a clean slate. Seeds from this year's GMO crop might fall into the soil and germinate, meaning next year's crop, planted with public seed, might be 90% public seed, 10% Monsanto. The Monsanto seeds grow better the next year, and so Year 3's crop might be 40% traditional, 60% Monsanto. Etc.

Of course, Monsanto is known for suing people who have even a small fraction of Monsanto-made plants in their crop, and there are many stories of conventional farmers getting nailed by Monsanto when GMO seeds from the neighboring farm blow over and germinate in the conventional farmer's fields. Needless to say, if Monsanto can demonstrate that: a) any portion of your crop has Monsanto strains in it, and b) you didn't buy seed from Monsanto this year, you're looking at a nice, expensive lawsuit.
 
2010-05-17 05:29:20 PM
Fish in a Barrel: Whatthefark: Basically, if Haiti lets these seeds in, that's it for Haiti's farmers. They will be forever indebted to Monsanto. Unless of course they burn the crops and replant with non-hybrid seeds. Doubt that will happen since turning down these seeds mean less food which they desperately need.

WTF are you babbling about? How does planting free Monsanto seeds this year prevent them from switching to traditional seeds next year?



An excellent question. Additionally they're donating 475 TONS of seeds. That's a lot of seeds... Seeds don't just expire after 1 year. You can plant seeds for years afterwards if you store them with a little care.

There is a lot of baseless paranoia about Monsanto out there too. They're a big company and I'm sure that there's *something* boneheaded they've really done at some point, but every time I'm told they're doing or have done some evil thing it always seems to turn out to be very misleading at best and simply factually false at worst. There are some people out there with some seriously large axes to grind... People who just don't want scientists using their knowledge to improve the plants we use.
 
2010-05-17 05:33:22 PM
dahmers love zombie: Megacorporation gives $4,000,000 in seed to Haiti. That can only be bad in some pathetic pretend hippie socialist version of Bizarro BiohazardWorld.

FIFY
 
2010-05-17 05:37:45 PM
god i love this f*cking country!


it don't get no better 'dan 'merica!
 
2010-05-17 05:37:54 PM
Monsanto is to seeds what Microsoft is to software
 
2010-05-17 05:39:38 PM
gshepnyc: You don't know anything about Monsanto, do you? There are books and at least one documentary film about their practices which have been discussed here on Fark at length so the reference in the headline shouldn't have been obscure.

Yeah, basically Monsanto is a real rat bastard of a company that uses legal thuggery to abuse their customers for trivial violations of their nearly-incomprehensible terms & conditions. It would not surprise me in the least if they decided to sue these Haitian farmers down the line for some miniscule breach of conditions or some such thing.

I wouldn't accept Monsanto seeds if they were the last seed company on earth.
 
2010-05-17 05:40:34 PM
Uzzah: Fish in a Barrel: Whatthefark: Basically, if Haiti lets these seeds in, that's it for Haiti's farmers. They will be forever indebted to Monsanto. Unless of course they burn the crops and replant with non-hybrid seeds. Doubt that will happen since turning down these seeds mean less food which they desperately need.

WTF are you babbling about? How does planting free Monsanto seeds this year prevent them from switching to traditional seeds next year?

Planting a new crop isn't like working on a clean slate. Seeds from this year's GMO crop might fall into the soil and germinate, meaning next year's crop, planted with public seed, might be 90% public seed, 10% Monsanto. The Monsanto seeds grow better the next year, and so Year 3's crop might be 40% traditional, 60% Monsanto. Etc.

Of course, Monsanto is known for suing people who have even a small fraction of Monsanto-made plants in their crop, and there are many stories of conventional farmers getting nailed by Monsanto when GMO seeds from the neighboring farm blow over and germinate in the conventional farmer's fields. Needless to say, if Monsanto can demonstrate that: a) any portion of your crop has Monsanto strains in it, and b) you didn't buy seed from Monsanto this year, you're looking at a nice, expensive lawsuit.


1) Aren't the plants produced by hybrid seeds sterile?
2) The seeds being donated are conventional, not GMO.
3) I'm pretty sure Monsanto's lawyers aren't so stupid as to believe they could successfully sue farmers in Haiti. And even if they could sue, they wouldn't win. And even if they won, there's nothing to collect.
 
2010-05-17 05:45:34 PM
Fish in a Barrel: 1) Aren't the plants produced by hybrid seeds sterile?
2) The seeds being donated are conventional, not GMO.
3) I'm pretty sure Monsanto's lawyers aren't so stupid as to believe they could successfully sue farmers in Haiti. And even if they could sue, they wouldn't win. And even if they won, there's nothing to collect.


GMO isn't the same as hybrid.

Most GMO seeds are not sterile.

Where does it say that these seeds are not GMO? (If Monsanto's sending corn, it's GMO. Period.)
 
2010-05-17 05:46:07 PM
Someone donating millions of dollars of aid to a devastated third world country is obviously worthy of trolling and scorn
 
2010-05-17 05:47:53 PM
Xaneidolon: Where does it say that these seeds are not GMO? (If Monsanto's sending corn, it's GMO. Period.)

Wrong.
 
2010-05-17 05:54:27 PM
Uzzah: Seeds from this year's GMO crop might fall into the soil and germinate, meaning next year's crop, planted with public seed, might be 90% public seed, 10% Monsanto. The Monsanto seeds grow better the next year, and so Year 3's crop might be 40% traditional, 60% Monsanto. Etc.

Also, this math doesn't work. If the hypothetical Monsanto seeds have a 10% self-seed rate, then the proportion will always decrease. If 10 plants yield 1 progeny in year 2, that 1 plant will not yield 4 progeny in year 3.
 
2010-05-17 06:04:58 PM
Fish in a Barrel: WTF are you babbling about? How does planting free Monsanto seeds this year prevent them from switching to traditional seeds next year?

Read the article I linked too. These seeds are hybrid, made to last one season. The farmers cannot save seeds from the crop and use them to replant next year. they are stuck buying these seeds from Monsanto.
 
2010-05-17 06:05:47 PM
Fish in a Barrel: Xaneidolon: Where does it say that these seeds are not GMO? (If Monsanto's sending corn, it's GMO. Period.)

Wrong.


I stand corrected. Sort of. (new window) More citations available.

It's getting damned near impossible to find any corn anywhere that's not been polluted (ref Oaxaca/Puebla). I'm not saying that Monsanto doesn't have a stash that don't have unpolluted genes (100% GMO-free), but I think that's pretty unlikely.

Good on them for sending (ostensibly) non-GMO stuff. If you do some research, though, on GMO pollution/polination/creep/etc., you'll find that nearly all staple crops have some element of GMO genes in them. Even the ones purported to be clean.

Oh, and when you're looking into GMO harms/safety, look at the source of the studies (yes, go to the source documents). Messing with the subject over the last couple of years or so myself, I've found a nearly 50/50 split on the conclusions that correlates absolutely w/the study's funding.
 
2010-05-17 06:06:43 PM
Fish in a Barrel: 1) Aren't the plants produced by hybrid seeds sterile?

Sometimes. Not always.

2) The seeds being donated are conventional, not GMO.

Really? They only sell GMO seeds. I mean, I suppose it's possible they're donating non-GMO seeds, but that would be mighty peculiar of them. Like McDonalds donating Whoppers.

3) I'm pretty sure Monsanto's lawyers aren't so stupid as to believe they could successfully sue farmers in Haiti. And even if they could sue, they wouldn't win. And even if they won, there's nothing to collect.

Though I wholeheartedly agree with the second sentence, Monsanto lawyers will sue anything with a pulse or a stalk.

God, I farked up my 'I' tags so bad I had to redo that post 6 times.
 
2010-05-17 06:09:03 PM
Monsanto; the Gates-Era Microsoft of food.
 
2010-05-17 06:14:42 PM
Another benevolent corporation.
 
2010-05-17 06:28:42 PM
Whatthefark: Fish in a Barrel: WTF are you babbling about? How does planting free Monsanto seeds this year prevent them from switching to traditional seeds next year?

Read the article I linked too. These seeds are hybrid, made to last one season. The farmers cannot save seeds from the crop and use them to replant next year. they are stuck buying these seeds from Monsanto.


They can go back to non-hybrid seeds next year. If they can find any.

/was at a Monsanto plant today so I am getting a kick
 
2010-05-17 06:28:57 PM
the SCOTUS upheld this several years back.

Guess which black SCOTUS judge used to work for Monsanto?
 
2010-05-17 06:33:56 PM
E_Henry_Thripshaws_Disease: the SCOTUS upheld this several years back.

Guess which black SCOTUS judge used to work for Monsanto?


Why does he have to be black? You could of just said guess which judge used to work for Monsanto.
 
2010-05-17 06:35:14 PM
Four million dollars buys 475 tons of seeds? Man, am I doing it wrong. I'm never buying a seed packet again.

/loves my garden
 
2010-05-17 06:38:10 PM
Yeah, just wait till they legalize pot. All you Green Triangle home-growers will feel the weight of Big Agriculture just like Farmer Joe Corngrower...then you won't be so eager.
 
2010-05-17 06:45:19 PM
I just hope Monsanto makes another one of these!
img218.imageshack.us

/hot like a glowing nucleus
 
2010-05-17 06:47:00 PM
www.gstatic.com

Monsanto used to be a pupil of mine, before it turned to evil.
It was seduced by the dark side.
 
2010-05-17 06:53:13 PM
Stabone33: Yeah, just wait till they legalize pot. All you Green Emerald Triangle home-growers will feel the weight of Big Agriculture just like Farmer Joe Corngrower...then you won't be so eager.

FTF Myself.
 
2010-05-17 07:08:12 PM
genetically altered seeds?
 
2010-05-17 07:17:33 PM
Fish in a Barrel: WTF are you babbling about? How does planting free Monsanto seeds this year prevent them from switching to traditional seeds next year?


I think most farmers would get their seeds from the crops itself.

If you use Monsanto seeds, then you have to buy seeds again next year. Maybe not Monsanto seeds but the farmer has lost the capability of producing the seeds for next year. He would probably go ahead and buy Monsanto again since he has to buy seeds.
 
2010-05-17 07:22:34 PM
Okay... since when do earthquakes destroy the seeds?

This is sorta like... if someone's house burns down, giving them a new set of tires.
 
2010-05-17 07:26:05 PM
The best motivation that Monsanto could have in doing this is just to get some kind of tax break. It's far more likely that they're getting a massive tax write off for something that they couldn't sell elsewhere while at the same time locking the Haitian farmers into Monsanto products.

Monsanto isn't any more evil that any other multinational. They aren't any less evil either.
 
2010-05-17 07:36:59 PM
I disagree, equilibrium, I think Monsanto are definitely more evil than Ben & Jerry's or Ebay.
 
2010-05-17 07:43:21 PM
I just watched Food, Inc last night. It covered this very topic.

Saving seed, which has been practiced by farmers since the beginning of time is now illegal and can, through the use of litigation, destroy a farmer's livelihood.

Monsanto, by incorporating patented genes on their seeds (namely the gene that makes plants "Roundup Ready") and a Supreme Court decision, have effectually made it illegal for farmers to save seed.

Any farmer caught saving seed could be sued by Monsanto for patent infringement.
 
2010-05-17 07:45:02 PM
dahmers love zombie: Nice headline. If it bore any resemblance to reality, it would probably have gone red.

Megacorporation gives $4,000,000 in seed to Haiti. That can only be bad in some pathetic pretend hippie socialist version of BizarroWorld.


You are not a gardener, obviously. The reason Monsanto seeds are bad is because they are good for only one season. You cannot save and store seeds for the next years crop like you can with heirloom seeds. So yes, they are bad and it is reality to think so. It is not some hippie conspiracy. Come on, you can't be that dumb.

Google "Monsanto farmer suicides" and educate yourself.
 
2010-05-17 07:46:37 PM
I think the depleting drug seizure meme applies here.

$4 million of seeds sent to Haiti.
$2 million of seeds divided up and sent to major districts.
$0.5 million of seeds doled out to local districts.
$100,000 of seeds delivered to township administrators
Three packs of seeds handed over to farmers.
 
2010-05-17 07:52:04 PM
I'm getting more torn. I don't like that Monsanto owns the genes, but on the other hand, pesticide use is actually decreasing, and there are a hell of a lot more health problems associated with pesticides and none or nearly associated with GMO crops.
 
2010-05-17 07:54:03 PM
MrEricSir: dahmers love zombie: Megacorporation gives $4,000,000 in seed to Haiti. That can only be bad in some pathetic pretend hippie socialist version of BizarroWorld.

Or in the regular world when Monsanto sues Haitian farmers for harvesting their seeds and replanting them. They have a history of doing this.


Nuh-uh!!11!!
 
2010-05-17 07:55:09 PM
Fish in a Barrel: Whatthefark: Basically, if Haiti lets these seeds in, that's it for Haiti's farmers. They will be forever indebted to Monsanto. Unless of course they burn the crops and replant with non-hybrid seeds. Doubt that will happen since turning down these seeds mean less food which they desperately need.

WTF are you babbling about? How does planting free Monsanto seeds this year prevent them from switching to traditional seeds next year?


Where do they get the "traditional" seeds next year, genius? I suggest you read about Monsanto and their dirty dealings.
 
2010-05-17 07:58:36 PM
Whatthefark: Fish in a Barrel: WTF are you babbling about? How does planting free Monsanto seeds this year prevent them from switching to traditional seeds next year?

Read the article I linked too. These seeds are hybrid, made to last one season. The farmers cannot save seeds from the crop and use them to replant next year. they are stuck buying these seeds from Monsanto.


Double check who owns the organic seed company as well. Even Seeds of Change is owned by M&M Mars for instance, or at least was last I checked.
 
2010-05-17 08:48:40 PM
www.nightshadebooks.com

Today Monsanto, tomorrow AgriGen and U-Tex.
 
2010-05-17 08:52:16 PM
How dare Monsanto try to make money in the long run while helping peopl ein the short run!
 
2010-05-17 09:01:21 PM
Now that Monsanto has a new slave labor force to grow corn, all those pesky 'merican farmers can go to hell.

/amidoingitrite?!
 
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