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2010-05-17 02:04:14 AM  
TheFarkinEmpress: Sweetie, you're just a little 18 year old idiot. And no, no reasonable person would look at what I said as a racist comment. You just tried to troll, and you looked stupid doing it. Face it, you just got told.

Isn't it past your bedtime?


Does anybody have that .gif of the bored looking obese black woman slugging a drink and looking wicked bored?

Because I need it.
 
2010-05-17 02:41:13 AM  
ImpromptuRhymes:
God, I am such a jerk for not knowing YOUR PERSONAL and unmentioned backstory.


You knew enough to judge her as a filthy racist with filthy racist kids.
Sorry to interrupt a lovable woman-on-woman biatchfest, but I figured I'd point that out because it's so common for people to completely disregard generalizations they themselves are responsible for.
You both suck and should get back to the kitchen.
 
2010-05-17 02:51:03 AM  
Several observations from this Weeners - I understand the majority of the students do not speak English and so some might want to set aside special classes and what not to "help", which I have no problem with. However, what happens when they leave HS and go to college? Does the college then have to make accommodations for these non-English speaking students as well? What about after college? Do perspective employers have to make special jobs just for them now? Where will these, by then adults be when they realize that not everyone is going to hablo español (btw, last name is Flores so don't try nailing a race card to me thanks, Hablo un poco español) for them everywhere they go? Which leaves my final question for this portion.....If we begin making concessions while they are still in school where does it end? If we haven't educated them in the de facto language of the US of which 82% of people claim as their mother tongue (you can Google that and find it on Wiki the same as I did) then when they get turned out into this cold cruel world they are going to be in for a rude awakening.

#2 - Accountability is missing from everyone IMO as far as educating the nations youth. First, as in anything I would think when talking about a person under the age of 18, is the accountability of the parent(s). Obviously you cannot make them care and the only thing you might be able to threaten them with if the situation is horrendous might be neglect of their child(ren), but there has to be some way to reach out and try and get them committed to the future of their children. I'd be embarrassed as hell if my HS aged child read at a 3rd or 4th grade level. Second, accountability from the student. Education is a privilege and a gift in my opinion and if you cannot, as a young "adult," see this then I really don't know what to say except enjoy your job asking others if they would like fries with that. Maybe I was an exception but I cared about what classes I took, what grades I got and whether I actually understood the subject matter. FYI: senior year in HS when everyone else was taking basket-weaving 101, I took Calculus, AP Chemistry, an advanced reading class and a mythology class, Physics and had 2 open hours because I already had enough credits to graduate without taking anything additional. So maybe I just don't understand the issue at hand. Lastly, would be the education system as a whole. From the Head of the Department of education right down to the school janitorial staff. I don't have any fixes off the top of my head but several things that stand out to me after talking with several local teachers I know that teach HS a) the various levels of bureaucracy need to be done away with, the educational system as a whole is to top heavy b) get some sort of 3 way commitment, from the parent #1, the student #2 and lastly from the school/teacher concerning expectations, goals, and *gasp* rewards as well. People learn best through positive reinforcement I would take that and run with it.

My 2cp
TL;DR I know
*shrug*
 
2010-05-17 02:57:30 AM  
Let them stick with spanish. That's that many fewer guys to compete with me. They'll make a good underclass.
 
2010-05-17 02:58:35 AM  
I knew this was going to happen. Doesn't surprise me at all.

When this first broke my first thought was:

"You're gonna can everyone and bring in people who don't know the culture of the school. Yeah, that will bring up test scores. Not!"
 
2010-05-17 02:58:46 AM  
This thread needs good post. Posts.
 
2010-05-17 02:59:58 AM  
Meet Us at the Stick: What, they couldn't find that huge pocket of unemployed teachers willing to take job in a school with a bunch of poor kids from under-educated backgrounds, where they'll be fired if test scores don't equal those of the more affluent districts? I'm shocked.

Find the highest-scoring school in Rhode Island and literally switch staffs for a year. Hell, make it two. I guarantee that the high test scores will not follow the teachers. I know that there are a lot of people on Fark (and damn near everywhere else, for that matter) who want desperately to believe that scores on a multiple-choice test are almost exclusively a reflection on the quality of teaching, but they are...wrong. It's the poverty, stupid:

Who knew? (new window)


You are correct! A lot of it is to do with parent involvement. And poverty means parents aren't there for the kids like they should be.
 
2010-05-17 03:10:57 AM  
BadAnalogyGuy: Githerax: BadAnalogyGuy: FTFA: The vote came after the high school, which draws students from an impoverished enclave of Rhode Island, graduated just 48 percent of its seniors last year.
Of Central Falls' 800 students, 65 percent are Hispanic and for most of them, English is a second language. Half the students are failing every subject, with 55 percent skilled in reading and 7 percent proficient in math, officials said earlier this year.

If only 48% of seniors are graduating there is a problem. Probably the standards are too high.

You fail at life.

How do you figure?


He means lowering the standards means the kids don't learn anything. You can't call a D an A and say that you succeeded. The school system has to be more than a numbers game.
 
2010-05-17 03:15:51 AM  
moothemagiccow: BadAnalogyGuy: Githerax: BadAnalogyGuy: FTFA: The vote came after the high school, which draws students from an impoverished enclave of Rhode Island, graduated just 48 percent of its seniors last year.
Of Central Falls' 800 students, 65 percent are Hispanic and for most of them, English is a second language. Half the students are failing every subject, with 55 percent skilled in reading and 7 percent proficient in math, officials said earlier this year.

If only 48% of seniors are graduating there is a problem. Probably the standards are too high.

You fail at life.

How do you figure?

He means lowering the standards means the kids don't learn anything. You can't call a D an A and say that you succeeded. The school system has to be more than a numbers game.


That doesn't sound like I failed at life, though.
 
2010-05-17 03:41:35 AM  
God-is-a-Taco: ImpromptuRhymes:
God, I am such a jerk for not knowing YOUR PERSONAL and unmentioned backstory.

You knew enough to judge her as a filthy racist with filthy racist kids.
Sorry to interrupt a lovable woman-on-woman biatchfest, but I figured I'd point that out because it's so common for people to completely disregard generalizations they themselves are responsible for.
You both suck and should get back to the kitchen.


Awww, you were doing so well, right up until you got misogynistic.

Too bad.
 
2010-05-17 03:51:49 AM  
TheFarkinEmpress: God-is-a-Taco: ImpromptuRhymes:
God, I am such a jerk for not knowing YOUR PERSONAL and unmentioned backstory.

You knew enough to judge her as a filthy racist with filthy racist kids.
Sorry to interrupt a lovable woman-on-woman biatchfest, but I figured I'd point that out because it's so common for people to completely disregard generalizations they themselves are responsible for.
You both suck and should get back to the kitchen.

Awww, you were doing so well, right up until you got misogynistic.

Too bad.


That's the joke.
 
2010-05-17 04:51:57 AM  
RayD8: TheFarkinEmpress: God-is-a-Taco: ImpromptuRhymes:
God, I am such a jerk for not knowing YOUR PERSONAL and unmentioned backstory.

You knew enough to judge her as a filthy racist with filthy racist kids.
Sorry to interrupt a lovable woman-on-woman biatchfest, but I figured I'd point that out because it's so common for people to completely disregard generalizations they themselves are responsible for.
You both suck and should get back to the kitchen.

Awww, you were doing so well, right up until you got misogynistic.

Too bad.

That's the joke.


Yeah, I guess so.
 
2010-05-17 05:19:47 AM  
ecmoRandomNumbers: Meet Us at the Stick: What, they couldn't find that huge pocket of unemployed teachers willing to take job in a school with a bunch of poor kids from under-educated backgrounds, where they'll be fired if test scores don't equal those of the more affluent districts? I'm shocked.

Find the highest-scoring school in Rhode Island and literally switch staffs for a year. Hell, make it two. I guarantee that the high test scores will not follow the teachers. I know that there are a lot of people on Fark (and damn near everywhere else, for that matter) who want desperately to believe that scores on a multiple-choice test are almost exclusively a reflection on the quality of teaching, but they are...wrong. It's the poverty, stupid:

Who knew? (new window)

Save your breath. These people can't be reasoned with. When schools are performing, it's because Kaitlin and Ashton are bright little snowflakes. When schools are failing, it's because the teachers suck and belong to UNIONS! EVIL COMMIE UNIONS!


The best part? The teachers were hired back, as which was the way it was always going to be. There are three options when you don't meet ayp, one is to fire everyone and then rehire them (well a percentage). It's dumb, but then again so is nclb.
 
2010-05-17 05:49:27 AM  
BadAnalogyGuy: FTFA: The vote came after the high school, which draws students from an impoverished enclave of Rhode Island, graduated just 48 percent of its seniors last year.
Of Central Falls' 800 students, 65 percent are Hispanic and for most of them, English is a second language. Half the students are failing every subject, with 55 percent skilled in reading and 7 percent proficient in math, officials said earlier this year.

If only 48% of seniors are graduating there is a problem. Probably the standards are too high.

As for the racial makeup of the school, I doubt the problem is that these kids can't speak English. It's that the teachers have not taught them, and they haven't learned. When half the students are failing every subject, you really have to look at the teachers' expectations.

Crippling these kids by flunking them out of high school isn't going to help anyone, least of which are the kids who will have less chance for advancement and (given the environment) will probably end up in jail.

Bringing back these teachers is a massive mistake.



I can see that you are a deep thinker and have cut to the quick of this problem.

One can presume that the 7% passing rate in math is because these students were schooled in the metric system in their country of origin. Right?
 
2010-05-17 06:47:29 AM  
While I'd like to blame the parents or students, depending on the age group (and, as a teacher, I have and do), I have to admit that the teacher being basically competent makes a hell of a lot of difference. I've seen two classes with identical curricula pulled randomly from the same pool of students perform at dramatically different levels when given more or less identical tests... I don't think there's some magical hidden fairy variable there, at some point a good portion of the blame for students not learning falls on the teacher.

//Not saying that the students themselves don't contribute, expect 20 to 30% of any given class to be determined to suck regardless. But a decent instructor can beat that down to 5 or 10% by forcing performance, and allow the rest to actually flourish rather than being limited to the bare minimum.
 
2010-05-17 07:11:19 AM  
ImpromptuRhymes: It should be noted, albeit a tad irrelevantly, that most Norweigan kids are fluent in several languages anyway. Including but not limited to English.

The same with my Italian relatives - they can speak Italian and English. Then again their systems are full of "migrant" workers.
 
2010-05-17 07:21:04 AM  
Jim_Callahan: While I'd like to blame the parents or students, depending on the age group (and, as a teacher, I have and do), I have to admit that the teacher being basically competent makes a hell of a lot of difference. I've seen two classes with identical curricula pulled randomly from the same pool of students perform at dramatically different levels when given more or less identical tests... I don't think there's some magical hidden fairy variable there, at some point a good portion of the blame for students not learning falls on the teacher.

//Not saying that the students themselves don't contribute, expect 20 to 30% of any given class to be determined to suck regardless. But a decent instructor can beat that down to 5 or 10% by forcing performance, and allow the rest to actually flourish rather than being limited to the bare minimum.


I hate to say it, but a lot (or at least a good part) of the problem lies with the tenure concept. Depending on how strong the local union is, once you get tenure, you're pretty much safe from termination unless you kill or fark a student. The only other way for spots to open up is either retirement or death.

My girlfriend and my best friend were both looking for teaching jobs last year after they graduated -- took my friend over 400 applications to just get one job in a shiatty inner-city charter school that had no policy for disciplining students, and he ended up getting canned because the school had no way of reprimanding the unruly students in his class. He's now doing a Master's program for lack of something else to do. My girlfriend has kept her job, but the rehiring process she was going through recently was harrowing to both of us.

Education reform is obviously needed, and we need to start at the top -- cut the salaries of the administrators who sit around with their thumbs up their behind, and that should free up some taxpayer money to put to better use.

/cool story, bro
 
2010-05-17 07:44:48 AM  
There will always be places like this ;

Mom and Dad come here from a place far far away, don't speak the language, and don't understand cultural norms and values. They move to a place with cheap rent while getting established, and enroll their kids in the local school. Pretty soon, they're making enough money to move to a place with better schools and do just that, just as their kid is getting the language and cultural references that allow them to do better in tests...

Who moves into their old rented apartment?
 
2010-05-17 08:26:04 AM  
SubBass49:

I asked the principal at my school why we consistently get entering 9th grade students coming through our gates that read and write at 3rd & 4th grade levels. Is it fair to judge the performance of a HIGH SCHOOL when we enroll students like that? That's like handing a chef a handful of rotten & moldy tomatoes and asking him to make some 5-star marinara sauce.


Your argument almost sounds exculpatory. Until one stops to figure out that in nearly every school system in the country, the high schoolers come from the junior high schools and elementary schools in the same district and under the same administration.
 
2010-05-17 08:27:01 AM  
You can't complain about the tomatoes when they're out of your own garden.
 
2010-05-17 08:32:35 AM  
Meet Us at the Stick: What, they couldn't find that huge pocket of unemployed teachers willing to take job in a school with a bunch of poor kids from under-educated backgrounds, where they'll be fired if test scores don't equal those of the more affluent districts? I'm shocked.

Find the highest-scoring school in Rhode Island and literally switch staffs for a year. Hell, make it two. I guarantee that the high test scores will not follow the teachers. I know that there are a lot of people on Fark (and damn near everywhere else, for that matter) who want desperately to believe that scores on a multiple-choice test are almost exclusively a reflection on the quality of teaching, but they are...wrong. It's the poverty, stupid:

Who knew? (new window)


You are right. I wonder how many people will ignorantly disagree.
 
2010-05-17 09:20:44 AM  
So to sum up, they were fired in February because they wouldn't agree to the school district's demands for longer hours and meeting goals to improve student achievement...and they've been re-hired because they've agreed to these terms?

Sounds like the Teacher's Union came crawling back with their tail between their legs.
 
2010-05-17 10:35:52 AM  
Teachers are fine. It's literally the parents fault on this one. Parents, especially poor ones, use school as babysitting instead of forcing their kids to take education seriously. The poster that suggested you swap the teachers with the best test scores with the worst for a year is right on. Watch what happens. When poor parents decide they actually want their kids to have a better life than them and make them work for it, test scores will improve. As long as they keep perpetuating the entitlement in this country, it will not improve. You dont like it, but you know im right.
 
2010-05-17 10:55:15 AM  
Some people hailed the firing of the teachers as a victory, and claimed this should be applied elsewhere.
Guess what: If you made such rash measures commonplace, and teachers saw that teaching in a poorly performing district means having no job security, because all the teachers at a struggling school are at risk of being fired en masse, NO teacher will want to teach in those schools, leaving you with only worst of the worst teachers at those schools. Anyone remotely competent won't even bother applying there. Oops.

Think about it: Who the fark would be willing to teach at a school teaching where half the students (barely) speak english as a second language, if they know that at any moment, all the teachers could all be fired all at once because some bureaucrat or politician wants to make a point of "doing something".

The failure to anticipate such a farking obvious consequence reminds me of the brilliant folks who think instituting massive protectionist tariffs is a great idea.

It's not that complicated: If you make a job even less appealing than it already is, workers who are competent enough that they can land jobs elsewhere will go and do so, leaving you to fill their positions by selecting from a worse pool of applicants.
 
2010-05-17 10:56:52 AM  
Mr. Right: You can't complain about the tomatoes when they're out of your own garden.

If I were the gardener, I'd agree. Problem is that I'm the chef. The garden is outside of my control.
 
2010-05-17 10:57:06 AM  
teach at a school teaching where half the students

ftfm
 
2010-05-17 10:57:12 AM  
So they fired teachers and administrators, brought in new administration, and are re-assessing the teachers? Sounds like a good plan to me. Management was incompetent, they've been replaced, now the work force is being evaluated by new management. What's the problem? Oh right, unions = evil

/ GA teachers are non-union, still see this shiat everywhere
 
2010-05-17 11:32:58 AM  
Another victory for Union Labor!!!!!
 
2010-05-17 11:33:06 AM  
SubBass49: Mr. Right: You can't complain about the tomatoes when they're out of your own garden.

If I were the gardener, I'd agree. Problem is that I'm the chef. The garden is outside of my control.


A wiser man than I once said, that you can polish a turd all day long but, at the end of the day it's still a turd.
 
2010-05-17 12:26:15 PM  
SubBass49: If unions didn't exist for teachers, you'd be lucky to fill the jobs with unemployed brick-layers.

Which is why in states where teacher unions are much less prevelant you see such disparate amounts of teacher skills from one district to another.

Oh wait, no you don't...you are just pulling more emotional-driven babble from the "teacher/union apologist" playbook out of your ass.

/Continue playbook
 
2010-05-17 03:04:08 PM  
Good for the teachers. I guarantee you in a place with as many problems as the school district in TFA (and many of the worst school districts across the country) you could put the best teachers in the country in there and you'd still see high dropout rates.
Why? no funding and limited parental support. They can't afford to do anything there and on top of it the parents are either working two jobs or not working at all, and neither situation is good for kids. On top of that, you can't "just teach"- there's so much other stuff.

Also, you can't really expect that a school district would fire the entire school district and then magically re-hire a few hundred teachers over the course of a few months? -if you were a recent college grad would you jump at the chance to work in a district with almost 50% dropout rate, generally miserable facilities and an axe hanging over your head? Exactly. They shook things up, I'm sure they got rid of a little "dead weight" and probably saved a few bucks over not having to pay teachers over the summer (or something.) Public education is screwed until we help the middle and lower classes into a situation that is at least livable.
 
2010-05-17 03:58:02 PM  
adeist69: The last time I looked Rhode Island is about as far from Central America as you can get on the continental U.S.

And yet it's still much closer to Central America than it is to the place all the white English speakers came from.

If you live in North America, Euclidean distance to countries of origin isn't a real winner of an argument against bilingual education.
 
2010-05-17 07:26:36 PM  
ImpromptuRhymes:

Well, perhaps the kids wouldn't be such assholes if the teachers weren't displaying abhorrent condescension at every opportunity. In addition to this, teachers who are old are fired and replaced with newbies that not only have no idea what the HELL they're doing, in my experience they also have awful "I AM THE BOSS" god complexes.

You can argue all day that what bad kids need is exactly that mentality, but as a former bad kid now succeeding in college- I can promise it's NOT. I didn't start doing well until college when the teachers started acting more like mentors. In public schools as a whole, not only is the curriculum terrible, but it's hard to learn when you literally feel like you're in farking prison.


I suggest you meet teachers...not just people who are paid to listen to your bullshiat.

/just because you had bad teachers doesn't mean every teacher is worthless
 
2010-05-17 08:07:40 PM  
Coach_J: Which is why in states where teacher unions are much less prevelant you see such disparate amounts of teacher skills from one district to another.

Oh wait, no you don't...you are just pulling more emotional-driven babble from the "teacher/union apologist" playbook out of your ass.

/Continue playbook


Your post really wasn't relevant to the discussion, but thanks for trying anyway. You get a scratch & sniff sticker for effort!

www.shirtsnob.com
 
2010-05-17 08:58:10 PM  
I *know* there are bad teachers out there. I had some growing up, and I work with a few who clearly have no business in the classroom. But teaching is just like every other profession or job in the world -- a few practitioners are extraordinary, a few are toxic, and the rest fall somewhere on the competency scale, with varying degrees of motivation to improve their craft.

When I first started teaching in 1991, I held some of the same views about crummy parenting and lazy kids I see expressed here; i.e. WTF is wrong with people? After nearly 20 years, though, I'm fairly comfortable asserting that the vast majority of human beings want similar things in life, but they don't all have the good fortune to be born into cultural or socioeconomic groups that have a lot of success achieving those things. I'm not certain that public education ever WAS really designed to create the kind of citizens this country needs, but that's a different discussion. I am damn sure, though, that the emphasis on test-taking, standards, and "rigor for all" that started with the publication of "A Nation at Risk," morphed into NCLB, and is now known as Race to the Top (barf) is doing jack shiat toward that end.
 
2010-05-17 09:33:39 PM  
ImpromptuRhymes:
The other problem is the union government employed assholes don't do anything. There's a stretch of road about one and a half miles long by my house that they've spent the last 2.5 years paving and putting in sidewalks. (A 6 mo. to 1 yr. job ANYWHERE else.) The state spends money for them to stand around.

I could go on forever about the rampant corruption, but I'll spare you.


Please do. Please spare us the anti-union crap.

Georgia is a right-to-work state (that means NO unions!). The Georgia stretch of I-95 was supposed to be widened to 6 lanes in time for the 1996 Olympics.

They are still adding that third lane on both sides in McIntosh and Glynn counties. STILL.

We have no unions. Private companies are "building" this road.
 
2010-05-17 09:35:24 PM  
libbynomore2: "There has always been agreement on these points: that we all want what is best for our students, and that significant changes are needed at Central Falls High School," teachers union president Jane Sessums said in the statement.



Why does nearly every teachers union insist on continuing to spew the most irritatingly bogus talking point: " we want what's best for the kids ? "

They want what's best for their constituents, the teachers. Period.

If they ever wanted what was best for the kids, this and other school systems wouldn't be in the sorry state they're in.


THE SORRIEST STATES (in terms of public education) DON'T HAVE TEACHERS UNIONS.
 
2010-05-17 11:09:40 PM  
Meet Us at the Stick: I *know* there are bad teachers out there. I had some growing up, and I work with a few who clearly have no business in the classroom. But teaching is just like every other profession or job in the world -- a few practitioners are extraordinary, a few are toxic, and the rest fall somewhere on the competency scale, with varying degrees of motivation to improve their craft.

When I first started teaching in 1991, I held some of the same views about crummy parenting and lazy kids I see expressed here; i.e. WTF is wrong with people? After nearly 20 years, though, I'm fairly comfortable asserting that the vast majority of human beings want similar things in life, but they don't all have the good fortune to be born into cultural or socioeconomic groups that have a lot of success achieving those things. I'm not certain that public education ever WAS really designed to create the kind of citizens this country needs, but that's a different discussion. I am damn sure, though, that the emphasis on test-taking, standards, and "rigor for all" that started with the publication of "A Nation at Risk," morphed into NCLB, and is now known as Race to the Top (barf) is doing jack shiat toward that end.


I mainly lurk, but read a lot here, and this really truly sums it up.

I'm just finishing my 10th year of teaching, and I'm in the process of assessing my future. I feel relatively comfortable saying that I'm not one of the "bad" teachers - I get accolades from parents, students, and administrators - and I'm at a point where I need to decide if this is what I want to do for the rest of my career. The teacher-bashing has gotten pretty heavy. I am pretty sure I could make at least 1.5 times what I'm making now in private industry. I've considered law or social work.

But teaching is a calling for some, and I think it's hard to give up. The best part of teaching is that spark when the kid "gets it" - and you know they've gotten something new. And I feel like I'm in a system that isn't designed to do what it needs to, but I don't think I can change it directly, so I think some of us need to tough out the bs and the archaic system so that the kids can have more of those "get it" moments.

I feel the "jail" comment - sometimes I feel like a jailer. I don't want my job to be cleavage/hat patrol (dress code), potty break manager (hall passes? for 18 year olds? really?), truancy tracker, mother (clean up the shiat on the floor! What? It's not yours? Why is your desk the only one surrounded by it, then?), and all the other silly roles. I shouldn't have to break up make out sessions outside my door. I want to teach.
 
2010-05-18 12:02:24 AM  
Attention all Super Geniuses: If the teacher's union had a fraction of as much power as you apparently think they do, there wouldn't have been a mass firing to begin with. That's sort of (read: exactly) what unions are there to prevent.

It's great to read all these red meat conservative talking points in this thread: blame "big government", blame the unions, and blame illegal immigrants for all these low test scores. Never mind the fact that Big Bad Obama actually supported the firing.

And what, pray, happened to that whole "personal responsibility" mantra that gets spouted whenever it's not your precious darling children in the crosshairs? I've been out of high school for years now, and I remember having good teachers and bad. You know what I did when I had a bad teacher? I kept my head down, stayed quiet, and did my work. And my grades were fine. My brain didn't wither and die like a beached whale.

But you're probably right; those kids would have been better without any teachers at all.
 
2010-05-18 12:58:28 AM  
God-is-a-Taco:

"Out test scores are low."

"So fire all of the teachers!"



Know how I know you didn't follow this story?

Please to read original article here (pops). There were actually a few intermediate steps:

"Our test scores are low."
"So tell the teachers to prepare their students better. Maybe a longer school day?"
"We tried that. The teachers won't agree to it."
"OK, tell the teachers that they'll need to work some overtime and spend individual time with students."
"They want $90/hour to do that."
"We can give them $30."
"Nope. They want $90."
"So fire all of the teachers!"
 
2010-05-18 08:37:10 PM  
SubBass49: Coach_J: Which is why in states where teacher unions are much less prevelant you see such disparate amounts of teacher skills from one district to another.

Oh wait, no you don't...you are just pulling more emotional-driven babble from the "teacher/union apologist" playbook out of your ass.

/Continue playbook

Your post really wasn't relevant to the discussion, but thanks for trying anyway. You get a scratch & sniff sticker for effort!


Of course it's not relevant to your apologist playbook, it actually references reality and doesn't use any comics or graphics.

Can I put it in crayon next time? Will that help you grasp it?

Or let me guess, you just want more school spending and no increase in performance-based accountability.

Cause I've never heard that before from the Teacher Nazis, er Unions.
 
2010-05-19 03:59:21 AM  
Coach_J: Teacher Nazis, er Unions.

Are you 12?
 
2010-05-19 10:45:41 AM  
Isildur: Are you 12?

Now, now. Many school systems don't cover how anti-union the Nazis were until 10th grade European history; 15 isn't out of the question.
 
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