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(The Consumerist)   The latest safety device that may actually kill you?........*rolls dice*........seatbelts   (consumerist.com) divider line 136
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2010-05-15 11:41:45 PM
Latest? People have been complaining about the potential hazards of seat belts for a while. Usually, they complain when discussing mandatory seat belt usage.
 
2010-05-15 11:48:40 PM
Pft, they kill more than they save.
 
2010-05-15 11:49:48 PM
Isn't this issue more about airbags than seat belts?

Lee Iacocca was right 20 years ago when he said we'd still be having this discussion.
 
2010-05-15 11:57:54 PM
Please.

*I* duct-tape myself to the driver's seat before driving.

It gets costly... but it's WORTH it.
 
2010-05-16 12:19:39 AM
Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Please.

*I* duct-tape myself to the driver's seat before driving.

It gets costly... but it's WORTH it.


Duct Tape? Hah. You sissy. I use spit and Nicorette. The downside is the baby has a nicotine addiction.
 
2010-05-16 12:40:21 AM
FredaDeStilleto: Duct Tape? Hah. You sissy.

Brand loyalty.

:-/

I have to keep it real for my duct-tape peeps on the streets.
 
2010-05-16 12:41:36 AM
I wish a five point harness were standard, legit equipment instead. I hate sliding around in my seat.

/nearly bought a Volvo C30 instead of my Cooper S
//the Cooper S was shorter and less expensive with an acceptable safety factor.
 
2010-05-16 02:50:14 AM
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2010-05-16 03:07:13 AM
i578.photobucket.com
 
2010-05-16 03:26:08 AM
Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Please.

*I* duct-tape myself to the driver's seat before driving.

It gets costly... but it's WORTH it.


img.youtube.com

/Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is.
 
2010-05-16 04:18:24 AM
Fear. Everything.
 
2010-05-16 04:49:43 AM
The problem is with the newer air bags, not the seat belts.
 
2010-05-16 04:52:40 AM
damned if you do, damned if you don't.
 
2010-05-16 04:53:57 AM
Since the shiatty car I drive is from the pre-airbag era, this thread is not relevant to my interests.

/get off my lawn
 
2010-05-16 04:54:59 AM
One of the first cars I ever drove was a Saab 99 and the seat belt wasn't retractable at all. Even reaching over to adjust the radio was a bit of an effort because you were strapped in there tight. Not a bad idea, at least from a driver distraction perspective.

(belt probably could have split me in two in an accident.)
 
2010-05-16 05:05:37 AM
FredaDeStilleto: Duct Tape? Hah. You sissy. I use spit and Nicorette. The downside is the baby has a nicotine addiction.

That's a "Courage Wolf" poster in the making.

cache.gawker.com

/Neck belts: the first thing that came to my mind.
//Hot light an Onion.
 
2010-05-16 05:07:05 AM
i.ve been drinking since 9 : oo yesterday. nobody said nothin''bout no seatblet.
 
2010-05-16 05:07:26 AM
rackrent: One of the first cars I ever drove was a Saab 99 and the seat belt wasn't retractable at all. Even reaching over to adjust the radio was a bit of an effort because you were strapped in there tight. Not a bad idea, at least from a driver distraction perspective.

(belt probably could have split me in two in an accident.)


it's still your fault.
 
2010-05-16 05:10:09 AM
So, what is the problem exactly? They don't seem to get into that at all...
 
2010-05-16 05:13:59 AM
Well, the new airbags increased fatalities for belted drivers and didn't decrease them for unbelted ones.

That sure sounds like an improvement.
 
2010-05-16 05:14:37 AM
I road free in a car that had no middle seat belt between two chicks, and we got pulled over, I got a ticket from the police, his excuse? I should not have gotten in a car with 5 women. true story. I swear to God.
 
2010-05-16 05:18:07 AM
Anyone else read the New York Times article?

Changes to vehicle design, like the growing rigidity of vehicle frames, may be increasing the amount of life-threatening force that occupants absorb during crashes.

Hasn't it been known since the 50's that rigid vehicles impart more force to occupants? Between this and the airbags it's like we're regressing in vehicle safety.
 
2010-05-16 05:19:02 AM
"Estimates suggest that 80 percent of drivers don seat belts nowadays, but the regulations for air bags were created when less drivers used the safety devices."

Who wrote this? "less drivers"? Less is not the same as fewer. We have partial drivers now? What's less than 80% of a driver? (A five iron?)

No one can write; fewer will edit.
 
2010-05-16 05:25:30 AM
On behalf of first responders everywhere, please buck the fark up. If nothing else, it means we can just tag and bag you from the vehicle without spending a few hours hunting down your bits in the woods.
 
2010-05-16 05:28:53 AM
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2010-05-16 05:32:02 AM
fisker: I road free in a car that had no middle seat belt between two chicks, and we got pulled over, I got a ticket from the police, his excuse? I should not have gotten in a car with 5 women. true story. I swear to God.

Jealousy is a biatch.
 
2010-05-16 05:33:17 AM
Bored Horde: On behalf of first responders everywhere, please buck the fark up. If nothing else, it means we can just tag and bag you from the vehicle without spending a few hours hunting down your bits in the woods.

You are earning my tax dollars. I ain't paying for no lazy EMTs.
 
2010-05-16 05:39:11 AM
fisker: I road free in a car that had no middle seat belt between two chicks, and we got pulled over, I got a ticket from the police, his excuse? I should not have gotten in a car with 5 women. true story. I swear to God.

road?
 
2010-05-16 05:40:32 AM
The square of the force can be calculated by pW=fDxMa

/Idioits
 
2010-05-16 05:43:14 AM
calbert: fisker: I road free in a car that had no middle seat belt between two chicks, and we got pulled over, I got a ticket from the police, his excuse? I should not have gotten in a car with 5 women. true story. I swear to God.

road?


Had to LOL... everyone knows it's "Done Rid"
 
2010-05-16 05:49:08 AM
Msol: Fear. Everything.

i789.photobucket.com

Film at 11.
 
2010-05-16 05:51:19 AM
Subby fails at reading comprehension. AIR BAGS are stupid, not seat belts. Air bags give a marginal increase in safety to people smart enough to wear a seatbelt, at a significant increase in weight and cost. And the super-smart NEW air bags are even worse, it appears.
 
2010-05-16 05:51:33 AM
calbert: fisker: I road free in a car that had no middle seat belt between two chicks, and we got pulled over, I got a ticket from the police, his excuse? I should not have gotten in a car with 5 women. true story. I swear to God.

road?



Why do you have a problem with people verbing nouns?
 
2010-05-16 06:02:11 AM
EL_FABREZ: calbert: fisker: I road free in a car that had no middle seat belt between two chicks, and we got pulled over, I got a ticket from the police, his excuse? I should not have gotten in a car with 5 women. true story. I swear to God.

road?


Why do you have a problem with people verbing nouns?


Fail?
 
2010-05-16 06:08:21 AM
Yes, but if we repeal seatbelt laws, the states lose ticket revenue, and we can't be having that in this economy, now can we? Plus, without seatbelt laws, cops will have to come up with more creative excuses for pulling you over and harassing you.
 
2010-05-16 06:10:52 AM
pretty sure this farking article was about people *not* relying on seat belts.

/Drtfa
//DID read the farking (bullshiat) article
 
2010-05-16 06:11:53 AM
ThreeEdgedSword: EL_FABREZ: calbert: fisker: I road free in a car that had no middle seat belt between two chicks, and we got pulled over, I got a ticket from the police, his excuse? I should not have gotten in a car with 5 women. true story. I swear to God.

road?


Why do you have a problem with people verbing nouns?

Fail?


reminds me of my niece when she was about 3-4 years old. I was helping my sister clean up the kitchen after a meal and my niece grabbed the broom and was having a difficult time using it. My sister went to take it away and my niece said, "No, I'm brooming."
 
2010-05-16 06:12:31 AM
calbert: fisker: I road free in a car that had no middle seat belt between two chicks, and we got pulled over, I got a ticket from the police, his excuse? I should not have gotten in a car with 5 women. true story. I swear to God.

road?


you can road??
/big ups Bra
 
2010-05-16 06:16:44 AM
calbert: ThreeEdgedSword: EL_FABREZ: calbert: fisker: I road free in a car that had no middle seat belt between two chicks, and we got pulled over, I got a ticket from the police, his excuse? I should not have gotten in a car with 5 women. true story. I swear to God.

road?


Why do you have a problem with people verbing nouns?

Fail?

reminds me of my niece when she was about 3-4 years old. I was helping my sister clean up the kitchen after a meal and my niece grabbed the broom and was having a difficult time using it. My sister went to take it away and my niece said, "No, I'm brooming."



Gerunds
 
2010-05-16 06:19:27 AM
fisker: I road free in a car that had no middle seat belt between two chicks, and we got pulled over, I got a ticket from the police, his excuse? I should not have gotten in a car with 5 women. true story. I swear to God.

Well, you sure as hell shouldn't have let any of them drive. You deserved it.
 
2010-05-16 06:21:43 AM
Bela_Bar-talk: calbert: ThreeEdgedSword: EL_FABREZ: calbert: fisker: I road free in a car that had no middle seat belt between two chicks, and we got pulled over, I got a ticket from the police, his excuse? I should not have gotten in a car with 5 women. true story. I swear to God.

road?


Why do you have a problem with people verbing nouns?

Fail?

reminds me of my niece when she was about 3-4 years old. I was helping my sister clean up the kitchen after a meal and my niece grabbed the broom and was having a difficult time using it. My sister went to take it away and my niece said, "No, I'm brooming."


Gerunds


gesundheit
 
2010-05-16 06:40:02 AM
Just what kind of dice were you rolling?
farm1.static.flickr.com
 
2010-05-16 06:57:25 AM
The study, based on statistical analysis of more than 3,6000 deaths

3,6000? wtf?
 
2010-05-16 07:00:42 AM
A friend of mine works for the NYS Thruway. He sees most accidents before the police or ambulances. The three things he has compliled during his 20 years of this is:
1. If they are not bleeding they are dead.
2. The worst ones are when only one of the occupans are wearing a seatbelt. because when that happens they are walking around tring to wake up thier friends. They dead.
3. It is reare to see a seatbelted person die.

I am sure there are kinds of accidents where seatbelts are more dangerous but it seems on 70mph kind of striaghtish roads those typr of accidents dont happent.
 
2010-05-16 07:05:36 AM
(Seatbelts/Water/Vaccines/Computers/Doctors/Food/Companion animals/Obeying a dictator/ect.) (have/has) a chance of killing you. (They/It) also (have/has) a much more significant chance of keeping you alive.
 
2010-05-16 07:09:06 AM
rackrent: (belt probably could have split me in two in an accident.)

I had a late 80s/early 90s Audi A100 Quattro for awhile. It had "seat belt pretensioner technology". Pretty advanced for that time you say? No...

This wasn't the current Vovlo style explosives or anything. This was a steel cable attached to the end of the seat belt, run through the front frame of the car and attached to the other seat belt on the passenger side.

I often wondered what would happen if i didn't hit another car but wrapped the car around a telephone pole. I wondered if tze Germans calculated the amount of force the body would be able to exert on the cable before being cut in half and put in a weak spot or something. Probably not :-)
 
2010-05-16 07:10:45 AM
Korzine: Anyone else read the New York Times article?

Changes to vehicle design, like the growing rigidity of vehicle frames, may be increasing the amount of life-threatening force that occupants absorb during crashes.

Hasn't it been known since the 50's that rigid vehicles impart more force to occupants? Between this and the airbags it's like we're regressing in vehicle safety.


In body design maybe, but in terms of Airbag safety, it's been hugely improved since the 90's. Worst year on record had 53 killed because of Airbags, last few years have usually had only a handful of cases. Safety is going up, and studies like this are the reason why - they identify when something isn't working as well as it should be, so it can be fixed.

ngoro: damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Mostly damned if you don't. Seatbelts prevent 50% of crash fatalities, airbags improve that significantly (to 70-80% reduction in total).

mbillips: Subby fails at reading comprehension. AIR BAGS are stupid, not seat belts. Air bags give a marginal increase in safety to people smart enough to wear a seatbelt, at a significant increase in weight and cost. And the super-smart NEW air bags are even worse, it appears.


Wikipedia Copy/pasta for you:
From 1990 to 2008, the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration identified 175 fatalities caused by air bags. Most of these (104) have been children, while the rest are adults. About 3.3 million air bag deployments have occurred and the agency estimates more than 6,377 lives saved and countless injuries prevented.

So, no Airbags are not stupid, nor is the safety benefit insignificant. Sure, they can often cause burns and rasps, but better that than a cracked skull. Hopefully they'll find out what's wrong with this new design, and fix it, but this study doesn't make Air Bags a bad idea.
 
2010-05-16 07:16:16 AM
Why I prefer bikes. Sometimes the illusion of safety is worse than no safety.
 
2010-05-16 07:29:45 AM
smcn: Why I prefer bikes. Sometimes the illusion of safety is worse than no safety.

So certain death is better than just a chance of death?
 
2010-05-16 07:55:05 AM
The problem is modern US air bags are designed to meet requirements that assume your dumb ass wasn't wearing a seat belt so they are much different than European spec airbags.
 
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