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2010-05-14 04:54:41 PM  
The step daughter is graduating tomorrow. Thank god.
She moves to Florida next month. I just hope she finds a job and quits mooching off of us.
 
2010-05-14 05:06:47 PM  
jehovahs witness protection: She moves to Florida next month.


Be sure to tell her not to do anything that would earn her a FLORIDA tag on Fark.
 
2010-05-14 05:08:30 PM  
The_Sponge: jehovahs witness protection: She moves to Florida next month.


Be sure to tell her not to do anything that would earn her a FLORIDA tag on Fark.


How can we laugh at her if she behaves herself? Your not thinking about the group.
 
2010-05-14 05:13:00 PM  
The problem isn't the 4-year course. The problem is thinking you can stop there, where everybody else stopped, and expect to get a special position.
 
2010-05-14 05:49:12 PM  
jehovahs witness protection: She moves to Florida next month. I just hope she finds a job and quits mooching off of us.

she does know the economy in Florida is in the crapper? We already have metric assloads of recent graduates who can't find a job (or at least a job in their field) and end up back home with mom and dad.
 
2010-05-14 05:53:38 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com

The world needs plenty of bahtenders!
 
2010-05-14 05:55:19 PM  
And yes I realize that I supplied completely the wrong screenshot for that quote.
 
2010-05-14 05:59:26 PM  
jehovahs witness protection: The step daughter is graduating tomorrow. Thank god.
She moves to Florida next month. I just hope she finds a job and quits mooching off of us.



Also:

Is she hot?
 
2010-05-14 06:01:42 PM  
www.motifake.com
 
2010-05-14 06:10:34 PM  
Every time I hear stuff like this, I wonder if it's just the upper 5% complaining about how they have to compete with the rest of us.
 
2010-05-14 07:00:36 PM  
Was this story in Drew's book? Because it's an annual one.
 
2010-05-14 07:01:09 PM  
Came for Judge Smails, left satisfied.
 
2010-05-14 07:01:58 PM  
Your mom goes to college.
 
2010-05-14 07:04:50 PM  
So I didn't need Drew to write me those references for Devry after all.

/good to know
 
2010-05-14 07:04:55 PM  
As a university professor I am getting a kick out of your replies, and I share the concerns raised by the article. About 20% of the students I teach at Penn State are wasting their money--they don't belong in a big ten, four year program.
 
2010-05-14 07:05:16 PM  
Ive been saying this for years
 
2010-05-14 07:05:32 PM  
GreenAdder: Every time I hear stuff like this, I wonder if it's just the upper 5% complaining about how they have to compete with the rest of us.

No.

There are plenty of kids who got tracked into college, back in the 80's when some soft-hearted and soft-headed liberal educators decided EVERYONE should go to college! thus turning a 4-year degree into what a high school diploma was 20 years ago.

Even when I was in high school, going to college was something fairly special, something not everyone did or wanted to do; and that was OKAY. There was nothing inherently wrong, in 1978, in not going to college. When I left UCLA in '85, the trend toward everyone getting their Bachelor's was starting and so was the trend towards a "four-year" degree taking five or six years because so many unprepared kids were hitting colleges they weren't suited for.

So now they're finally realizing that maybe not everyone is really smart enough (I mean that in the sense of study-wise or organizationally) to go to a four-year university; and that there really is NOTHING WRONG with leaving high school for the job market. All I can say is: Duh.
 
2010-05-14 07:05:49 PM  
A college degree pretty much gets you nothing unless you already have experience in the industry.

/and it farking sucks
//everyone is ordering pizza, but no one is willing to deliver
 
2010-05-14 07:05:51 PM  
I have more bad news for the parents in the article: your daughter is a lesbian. How many women want to be frickin welders?
 
2010-05-14 07:06:57 PM  
The push is for you to become educated in a capable field. Attending a university is worthless if you learn nothing relevant to your field or did not earn the credentials to enter the field. Really, the press is always for higher education which may not entail a few years on campus. Intern or apprentice somewhere or learn an actual skill or enter academia.
 
2010-05-14 07:07:13 PM  
KillAllHumans: Ive been saying this for years

me too! College is great for some, but trade school is a wonderful alternative
 
2010-05-14 07:07:15 PM  
suckerpunch: jehovahs witness protection: She moves to Florida next month. I just hope she finds a job and quits mooching off of us.

she does know the economy in Florida is in the crapper? We already have metric assloads of recent graduates who can't find a job (or at least a job in their field) and end up back home with mom and dad.


but but but... there are some swamp lands that can use a new Walmart and housing! The economy in Florida has always sucked, this State is one massive ponzi scheme. Unless your daughter plans on working for the government or in biotechnology, she is better off else where.

As for the article, it's nice that people are going to college but do we really need a future workforce of students majoring in communications, psychology, and marketing? God forbid we try to manufacture or create anything of value in this nation. I mean what is the point of being a nation of college graduates when we don't even utilize the degrees? We already have a large unemployed base of Scientists and Engineers, how about we throw some money their way.
 
2010-05-14 07:07:32 PM  
child_god: I have more bad fantastic news for the parents in the article: your daughter is a lesbian. How many women want to be frickin welders?


FTFY
 
2010-05-14 07:07:42 PM  
KillAllHumans: Ive been saying this for years

So has everyone else. This story is not a repeat from 1989.
 
2010-05-14 07:07:43 PM  
Haha! Idiots can't tell the difference between the uses of a liberal education and their operational definition for "success"!

Flip more burgers for me, physicist-boy. I'm going to go actually solve some of the real problems of homelessness, poverty and health.
 
2010-05-14 07:07:58 PM  
GreenAdder: Every time I hear stuff like this, I wonder if it's just the upper 5% complaining about how they have to compete with the rest of us.

No, it's the people who realized that going hundreds of thousands of dollars into debt only to find that it was a total waste of money. Then looking at their "looser" friends who went to tech/trade school and are making more money than them.

John Stossel Is College Worth It? 20/20 ABC News (new window)

I got a tech degree and had to borrow less than $10K. I'm employed working full time with great pay and benefits. No risk of me being laid off. 50+ hour weeks for the last two months, resulting in lots of flex time for me to use this summer.

My friend has his masters degree and is still working at Wal-Mart. I never ask how much he has borrowed.
 
2010-05-14 07:08:26 PM  
jehovahs witness protection: The step daughter is graduating tomorrow. Thank god.
She moves to Florida next month. I just hope she finds a job and quits mooching off of us.


I doubt it. Unemployement is still at 11+% down here.
 
2010-05-14 07:09:51 PM  
child_god: I have more bad news for the parents in the article: your daughter is a lesbian. How many women want to be frickin welders?

I know a couple of hot female welders, who are not lesbians, they are Swedish though so I don't know if that skews your assumptions.
 
2010-05-14 07:10:57 PM  
As a programmer, the only reason I got my bachelors' is because I was tired of being told that I wouldn't be considered without one. I don't think I learned much about programming getting my degree...
 
2010-05-14 07:11:14 PM  
I just dropped out of college, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.
 
2010-05-14 07:11:48 PM  
generaltimmy: KillAllHumans: Ive been saying this for years

me too! College is great for some, but trade school is a wonderful alternative


This.

child_god: your daughter is a lesbian. How many women want to be frickin welders?

I have a good friend who is a welder and definitely not a lesbian. She's hotter than hot (no pun intended). She's in the iron worker's union and pulls down about $40 an hour plus top notch bennies. She has a BA in History or some such.
 
2010-05-14 07:12:55 PM  
altinos: As a programmer, the only reason I got my bachelors' is because I was tired of being told that I wouldn't be considered without one. I don't think I learned much about programming getting my degree...

IT people often have more leeway when it comes to a degree; but that seems to be changing.
 
2010-05-14 07:12:58 PM  
Crosshair: Then looking at their "looser" friends who went to tech/trade school and are making more money than them.


Looser friends? Like sluts?
 
2010-05-14 07:13:05 PM  
child_god: I have more bad news for the parents in the article: your daughter is a lesbian. How many women want to be frickin welders?

Maybe she's a brazen hussy. Or has brass balls.
 
2010-05-14 07:14:07 PM  
pxlboy: IT people often have more leeway when it comes to a degree; but that seems to be changing.

Until I finished my degree in 2008, I was told many times that not having it was a deal breaker. Once I got it, I received more calls back.
 
2010-05-14 07:14:10 PM  
Kanemano: child_god: I have more bad news for the parents in the article: your daughter is a lesbian. How many women want to be frickin welders?

I know a couple of hot female welders, who are not lesbians, they are Swedish though so I don't know if that skews your assumptions.


Pics please.
 
2010-05-14 07:14:26 PM  
The_Sponge: Crosshair: Then looking at their "looser" friends who went to tech/trade school and are making more money than them.

Looser friends? Like sluts?


this. i know a guy making somewhere between 75k-100k/yr and he spent 2 years in trade school. he works as an IT manager and does just fine.
 
2010-05-14 07:14:34 PM  
The world always needs ditch diggers!
 
2010-05-14 07:15:41 PM  
altinos: pxlboy: IT people often have more leeway when it comes to a degree; but that seems to be changing.

Until I finished my degree in 2008, I was told many times that not having it was a deal breaker. Once I got it, I received more calls back.


which is why i'm working towards my degree. i should have done it earlier.

then again, i'm math-tarded. my inabilities in math have been a major obstacle in finishing my degree.
 
2010-05-14 07:16:04 PM  
There was a great show on PBS a couple weeks ago about the privitization of some colleges, i.e. DeVry, Phoenix University. They basically said that they're just loading people with debt with no prospect of a job to pay off 40k worth of schooling.

Link (new window)

interesting program and discussion
 
2010-05-14 07:16:25 PM  
Has anyone mentioned that the world always needs more ditch diggers yet??? Cause if not I'm totally gonna post that and look so friggin clever.
 
2010-05-14 07:16:32 PM  
I was in a 4-year program towards a CS degree and dropped out after two years due to money (mid 90's). I picked up a decent IT job back home, and rose to a very good salary within a couple years. At that time my friends from college were graduating and finding themselves working for $8/hour at help desks, if they were lucky.

I've known of businesses that refuse to hire anyone without a degree for IT--even down to their cable monkeys. I've also interviewed places that looked like a college dorm because they were so packed full of ill-prepared recent graduates willing to work for slave wages (I wasn't, so despite more than a decade of real-world experience I didn't make the cut).

Fortunately there are plenty of businesses out there that don't have their heads up their asses when it comes to what is ultimately a pointless piece of paper, so those of us with the ability and experience still have jobs.
 
2010-05-14 07:17:27 PM  
i remember my college graduation. 2003. very exciting time in my life until i looked to the left of me, and saw the guy who shiat his pants drunk three days before, and didn't know the difference between a noun and a verb.. then i looked to the right of me and saw the girl used as the frat bicycle who we're all sure couldn't read.

and i realized "i have the exact same degree as those people"

then i got very depressed.
 
2010-05-14 07:17:59 PM  
I tried the military thing after highschool, it wasn't the career field I wanted. Now 23 and trying to think about what I want to do
 
2010-05-14 07:18:09 PM  
Considering how dumbed down courses are so that 'everyone' can have a college education, it's just an excuse to prolong adolescence.

/like now being able to remain on your parents health insurance until 26 years of age.
 
2010-05-14 07:19:23 PM  
All i learned was how to mooch off everyone without giving a rat's ass, and now I can't get a job to return the favor! Thanks college! Oh yea that and also deep seated cynicism.
 
2010-05-14 07:19:53 PM  
child_god: I have more bad news for the parents in the article: your daughter is a lesbian. How many women want to be frickin welders?

One of my coworkers was taking welding classes as a hobby, and was most decidedly NOT a lesbian.

Then again, her aunt was an artist who taught her the basics when she was little.
 
2010-05-14 07:21:02 PM  
We have "too many" in college?

Then why are we shipping in 10,000s of people EVERY YEAR on advance degree Visas?

Maybe if we have "too many", we should stop importing tens of thousands of them from other countries first.
 
2010-05-14 07:21:23 PM  
GreenAdder: Every time I hear stuff like this, I wonder if it's just the upper 5% complaining about how they have to compete with the rest of us.

Nah, it's the mass amount that think a 4-year degree means something. It didn't back in the 80's, it doesn't now. Most jobs won't hire a 4-year degree person because they lack experience, but instead promote a 5-10 year veteran there. Of course, there are plenty of people that made a metric ton of money without college anyways....
 
2010-05-14 07:21:36 PM  
altinos: As a programmer, the only reason I got my bachelors' is because I was tired of being told that I wouldn't be considered without one. I don't think I learned much about programming getting my degree...

Programmers generally don't need bachelor's degrees, since they can do quite well with a trade school degree. Unfortunately the dot-com boom gave a lot of programming departments (read: managers) an overinflated sense of their own worth, and they now demand 4-year degrees for slinging some .NET or Java code. Almost all of my friends from college with CS degrees talk about how every job posting they looked at required a 4-year degree, whether it was truly necessary or not.

That will change in the industry, but it will take a while. In the meantime, I hope you at least aren't in a huge amount of debt because of your degree. And congrats on getting it.
 
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