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(Telegraph)   Soviets were all set to nuke China in 1969, until Nixon stepped in and threatened to biatch slap them   (telegraph.co.uk ) divider line
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2010-05-14 05:23:34 PM  

LostSaidDocument: The Southern Dandy: "Mr. President, just say the word, and I'll fly over there in Lisa Marie and give that commie bastard a Judy Chop."

Is it photoshop or is Nixon tripping on acid in that picture?


Well he is touching Elvis. The contact high was probably pretty intense.
 
2010-05-14 05:25:14 PM  

McManus_brothers: I thought this was fairly well known.


The conflict perhaps...but the Soviets giving us a heads to to a nuke strike and our reply was not...to me anyway.
 
2010-05-14 05:29:06 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Mao wasn't much better.


Political beliefs have nothing to do with who we determine to be our enemies.

The USSR was a threat to our geopolitical hegemony and nothing else. If they had been a representative republic, they still would have been our enemies and there still would have been a Cold War.
 
2010-05-14 05:29:19 PM  

LostSaidDocument: The Southern Dandy: "Mr. President, just say the word, and I'll fly over there in Lisa Marie and give that commie bastard a Judy Chop."

Is it photoshop or is Nixon tripping on acid in that picture?


I just noticed that too...as well as the pills in their hand. Its from GIS. I thought it was the regular photo, didn't realize it was a pshop.
 
2010-05-14 05:33:41 PM  

Kludge: Mao wasn't much better.


To add to the above the 'Communism = Evil' was just the way our government sold us the Cold War without confusing the delicate intellectual sensibilities of the masses.
 
2010-05-14 05:40:44 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Tony Baloney: I have no idea where China's nuke tech was at the time, but I have a feeling the Soviets wouldn't have even considered using nukes if they thought there would be a meaningful counter-strike.

The Soviets supplied the Chinese with all of their early technology.


It's still fun to imagine a bunch of Elbonian-style giant slingshots.
 
2010-05-14 05:40:53 PM  
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I'm not going to believe this, or even think any more of it, until it has been confirmed by actual, reputable sources and historians, etc.

Is it possible this happened? Sure, I guess.
Is it likely this happened? I don't think so.

It is hard for me to imagine that this could have somehow stayed secret for over 40 years. I
 
2010-05-14 05:43:57 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: McManus_brothers: I thought this was fairly well known.

The conflict perhaps...but the Soviets giving us a heads to to a nuke strike and our reply was not...to me anyway.


I actually learned of it through an alternate history anthology... where the two sides do get into a low-level nuclear exchange before Nixon steps in.
 
2010-05-14 05:50:55 PM  
Uh, this was a very good thing. You think a nuked china would have been good for anyone? Russia and China are no longer are enemies, and without China's industrial revolutions we'd wouldn't have half the cheap consumer items that are available now.

Pulling our enemies out of the stone age just makes them more like us. Nuking them only makes them resent us, or Russia, or everyone.
 
2010-05-14 05:53:25 PM  

Tony Baloney: It's still fun to imagine a bunch of Elbonian-style giant slingshots.


Hahahahahaha!

McManus_brothers: I actually learned of it through an alternate history anthology... where the two sides do get into a low-level nuclear exchange before Nixon steps in.


Well, I was 6 when this was going on so it wasn't really taught since we were living it.
 
2010-05-14 05:53:49 PM  

ImJustaTroll: Nuking them only makes them resent us


Seriously, the Japanese need to get over it and become our allies again.
 
2010-05-14 05:55:37 PM  
The USSR was a threat to our geopolitical hegemony and nothing else. If they had been a representative republic, they still would have been our enemies and there still would have been a Cold War.

To add to the above the 'Communism = Evil' was just the way our government sold us the Cold War without confusing the delicate intellectual sensibilities of the masses.


Evil? Nah, Slavs with an inferiority complex (think I remember something about their saying they would most assuredly `bury' us). Had they Stayed the course with Kerensky and muddled along into a `representative' regime, maybe Palin's family could have gotten papers and they'd have moved to Vladivostock where she'd now be driving a truck.
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2010-05-14 05:57:10 PM  
www.nieu.org
 
2010-05-14 05:58:01 PM  
Nixon was awesome.

a330.g.akamai.net

"Sock it to me?"

/Hot like Goldie Hawn
 
2010-05-14 06:00:03 PM  

Kludge: Political beliefs have nothing to do with who we determine to be our enemies.


i166.photobucket.com

Goddamit, who let the realists out?
 
2010-05-14 06:00:17 PM  
i.telegraph.co.uk

"You mess with China, these are going RIGHT up your nostrils, buddy."
 
2010-05-14 06:05:59 PM  
rlv.zcache.com

That's what our boy Nixon would do! Right Dick? Dick? Hey, Dick?
 
2010-05-14 06:19:44 PM  
Nixon himself admitted to pretty much what was reported. The exchange occurred while Brezhnev was visiting the US. Brezhnev first asked Nixon to join with the USSR in a nuclear attack againts mainland China; when Nixon refused, Brezhnev said that the USSR would go it alone.

Nixon also related that during the visit Brezhnev asked to drive Nixon's big Lincoln. There was no way Nixon could refuse, but he was scared stiff when Brezhnev took the wheel, drove like a madman, and nearly killed them both.

Yes, I'm willing to believe that old Tricky Dicky embellished things a bit.
 
2010-05-14 06:20:37 PM  

Dread Patch Slappy: Nixon was awesome.

"Sock it to me?"

/Hot like Goldie Hawn


One of the best moments of television ever.
 
2010-05-14 06:27:46 PM  
 
2010-05-14 06:30:29 PM  
www.pophistorydig.com

Nixon's last big laugh.
 
2010-05-14 06:39:45 PM  
what would have LBJ said?
 
2010-05-14 06:44:20 PM  
www.nieu.org
 
2010-05-14 06:49:34 PM  

TheTeethoftheTiger: Dancin_In_Anson: clovis69: This has been common knowledge in FR and IR studies for about twenty years. I've come across it in undergrand and grad school studies in nuclear policy, the Vietnam war and Chinese studies.

Cool. First I have heard about it. Why cover China's ass though? Potential adversary to the Soviets? Mao wasn't much better.

Because not letting the Soviets wipe them out ensured a balance of power on Russia's eastern border. Balancing power ensures limited hostilities. Ensures limited opportunity for soviet influence expansion.

geopolitics 101


It also guarantees a bigger problem in the future.

We would have been much better off in a good cop / bad cop deal with the Russians.

Now we are going to have hell to pay dealing with China
 
2010-05-14 07:03:23 PM  

crazytrpr: Snapper Carr: Not An Alt: Snapper Carr: Weren't you the same troll from this thread?

Yes, I have admitted to trolling in a thread or two, but seriously, what was so bad about Nixon besides watergate? dude gets a bad rep for something I guarantee you every candidate has been guilty of since we started presidential elections. He just got caught, unlike his contemporary counterparts.


Apart from the whole burglary and conspiracy thing, not much. If you remove that, I actually think he was a pretty decent POTUS (kickstarted the peace process in the Middle East, opened up relations with China, arms control, enviromentalism, Civil rights etc.).

But, the burglary and conspiracy were (rightfully) significant enough to tarnish whatever good things he had done. You get caught committing a felony while in office, you pay the price.

THIS


I'm kind of sad robot Nixon wasn't in office instead of Dubya when 9/11 happened. Nixon's weird love of tapping the rival party aside, the man knew how to ball and assemble coalitions of foreign nations. So instead of Shrub squandering the world's goodwill in Iraq, we'd have rolled out and be in a lot better posistion than we are today.

Also, if you want to give someone credit for the economic boom, it's Nixon, not Reagan. That Chinese market that Nixon laid the ground work for has paid out in spades. Ranging from American companies doing business their to their business leaders buying our debt and investing their profits in our stock market.

Reagan just built some B2s and shiat, Nixon set us up to have hundreds of millions of new customers.
 
2010-05-14 07:09:16 PM  
from wikipedia:

Richard Nixon was born on January 9, 1913, to Francis A. Nixon and Hannah Milhous Nixon in a house his father had built in Yorba Linda, California.[2][3][4][5] His mother was a Quaker, and his upbringing was marked by conservative Quaker observances of the time, such as refraining from drinking, dancing, and swearing. His father converted from Methodism to Quakerism after his marriage

so far today we have had an Amish stripper, and a Quaker warmonger... any way to make this a trifecta?
 
2010-05-14 07:11:20 PM  

AlgaeRancher: from wikipedia:

Richard Nixon was born on January 9, 1913, to Francis A. Nixon and Hannah Milhous Nixon in a house his father had built in Yorba Linda, California.[2][3][4][5] His mother was a Quaker, and his upbringing was marked by conservative Quaker observances of the time, such as refraining from drinking, dancing, and swearing. His father converted from Methodism to Quakerism after his marriage

so far today we have had an Amish stripper, and a Quaker warmonger... any way to make this a trifecta?


Mennonite serial killer, maybe?
 
2010-05-14 07:15:43 PM  
victualling.files.wordpress.com

If only he had gone to work for his brother Don.

/hot, Like a Nixon Buger
 
2010-05-14 07:18:00 PM  
victualling.files.wordpress.com

Damn, we missed the sale!

/Again, hot
 
2010-05-14 07:28:10 PM  
A few years back, I was in Singapore. I love museums, so I went through quite a few of them.

Every single museum was run by the state, and they all had at least one exhibit (even the Stamp museum) expressing a single message:

50 years ago, the Japanese tried to colonize the mainland.
We're still pissed.

And then, every single exhibit showed the nuke over Hiroshima.

Say what you will, the US earned an unacknowledged but _massive_ amount of gratitude for the nuking of Japan, that still reverberates today.

That this particular event is getting amplified by the press is an interesting echo.
 
2010-05-14 08:39:09 PM  
You mean the dumb-ass took his tongue out of China's butt long enough to tell the Soviets "no"? Too bad, having China and the USSR spend all their effort on destroying each other would have been great. Then we would not have our Chinese overlords and a ruthless KGB dictator Fing with us now.
 
2010-05-14 08:56:03 PM  
Tenga 2010-05-14 03:44:51 PM

I always like an opportunity to roll out Hunter Thompsons' Nixon obituary.

http://www.theatlantic.com/past/unbound/graffiti/crook.htm


i may be the only one that looked - but the only thing i got was "the web page wants to scan your computer"
 
2010-05-14 08:56:20 PM  
Well, certainly this didn't fit into the whole us versus them zeitgeist so it's no mystery that this wasn't widely reported.
 
2010-05-14 09:06:32 PM  
Blahblahblah LERP! LERP! LERP! Nixon BAD M'KAY, WATERGATE! WATERGATE! SWEARING ON TAPES!!!! LERP!LERP!LERP!

HAHAH!

Yeah, like anything Nixon did was any worse that all the crap scumbucket Kennedy pulled but the media never rode.
 
2010-05-14 09:12:34 PM  

Oldiron_79: So he saved Russia from committing one of the classic blunders (land war in Asia)


Yeah, the Soviet Union (you said Russia), would be totally screwed on that one.
 
2010-05-14 09:20:55 PM  
There's a generation gap: those who remember Nixon, and those who don't. In 40 years, you'll find 20-year olds saying George Bush wasn't that bad, but he might have overreacted after the Indians attacked the Empire State Building, but at least they fixed the building.

The reason you're so mistrusting of politics *is* Nixon.

And LBJ? He sent more troops, bombed more, but he didn't run for a second term so he could get the troops out, he and spent the rest of his life--he died a year after leaving office--filled with regret.

Nixon regretted nothing. He was a real politik president, ready to play with our lives to make the world work. Always willing to sacrifice something for something else. And there was always something else.

Nixon diminished America. He sicc'd the IRS on his enemies. He broke into Democratic offices. He bribed people. He ordered the Attorney General and then the Deputy Attorney General to fire the Independent Counsel. They resigned instead. (see: Saturday Night Massacre). Solicitor General Robert Bork (yes, that one) did as the President asked.

And us? We had an impeachment trial over a loathsome hick adulterer run by jabbering lunatic tightasses, presided by a judge in a Gilbert and Sullivan costume, all of whom wasted a year of his presidency.

We, the farkers.
 
2010-05-14 09:32:08 PM  
This was a great story when I first heard it in 1974. It always amazes me when recycled stories make the news. This has been known in China for years.
 
2010-05-14 11:02:44 PM  

Delawheredad: I find this story plausible. Nixon's presidency was the most complex in history. What really sank Nixon was the fact that he had the charisma of a sump pump. Had he a people personality like Clinton or Reagan he would have skated through Watergate.


So Much This!!!
 
2010-05-14 11:23:13 PM  
So thanks to Nixon we get food with melamine and toys with lead.
 
2010-05-14 11:36:06 PM  
When it comes to foreign policy, they didn't get much better than Nixon.
 
2010-05-15 01:36:43 AM  
President Richard Nixon was also apparently fearful of the effect of a nuclear war on 250,000 US troops stationed in the Asia-Pacific region and still smarting from a Soviet refusal five years earlier to stage a joint attack on China's nascent nuclear programme.

Bad_Seed:This is a WFT. First time I've heard of it.

I think someone is desperate to plant the "history is repeating itself" seed in our minds.
 
2010-05-15 04:00:27 AM  
No. The USSR was not thinking about nuking China. Only a nutbag would make such a claim.
 
2010-05-15 08:21:42 AM  
There's an old Vulcan proverb....
'Only Nixon could go to China.'
 
2010-05-15 07:36:39 PM  
China was in NATO?
 
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